Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

2016-05-22 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 

Does "read to end" work?

On 5/22/2016 9:59 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

I'm trying to keep this discussion  on topic!


As of this morning, Cortana will now only search using Edge on my
Windows 10 pro desktop.  The interesting thing is that if I search for a
list of entries, not only can I tab through links, I can also arrow
through them.  If I bring up a news story or a web site in Edge, I'm
still not able to use the arrow or mouse keys.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

2016-05-22 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

On 5/22/2016 9:05 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Prove it.


From 
https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/05/12/accessible-ux-with-html5-and-uia/


Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA

By Microsoft Edge Team  

Recently, we introduced Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, 
which inherently supports modern web standards, and provides a 
foundation to make the web platform more accessible than ever. To build 
a comprehensive ecosystem across all products and users of every 
ability, assistive technologies build end user experiences on top of 
accessibility frameworks. In Edge, accessibility information is exposed 
through the UI Automation (UIA) framework. HTML, CSS, and ARIA markup is 
translated to UIA objects that assistive technologies use to provide a 
tailored experience.


In this post, we’ll walk through some concrete examples of how our new 
architecture improves the end user’s experience, and specifically how 
markup defines the experience of navigating with assistive technologies 
like screen readers. Our examples focus on Narrator, but any screen 
reader using UIA will be able to take advantage of these improvements.


Measuring success with HTML5Accessibility

As part of our ongoing work to advance Edge’s accessibility, we want to 
make sure developers and users can easily get accurate information on 
platform accessibility across browsers, making it easier to build more 
accessible sites and make informed decisions when using accessibility 
features. For example, we are working closely with HTML5Accessibility’s 
maintainer, Steve Faulkner of the Paciello Group, to update the site and 
refresh its design.


HTML5Accessibility is a popular resource for this information that 
summarizes and rates major browsers’ HTML5 platform accessibility. Some 
of the success criteria include mappings to the accessibility API, 
keyboard accessibility, and the accessibility of error states. The 
upcoming refresh (which you can preview today on GitHub) includes 
changes to clarify pass criteria, add additional tests, and even give 
the site a fresh and modern makeover.


Comparing the old and new HTML5Accessibility.com designs. Note that the 
updated site does not yet reflect the accessibility improvements in 
EdgeHTML 14.


Many of the accessibility APIs discussed in this post are tracked on 
HTML5Accessibility, or were leveraged to build the site’s upcoming 
redesign. Each element or attribute has its own test page, so you can 
use Narrator to try out the user experience and open Inspect or F12 to 
see how they are mapped to UIA.


Note that HTML5Accessibility currently tracks the status of shipping 
versions of the listed browsers, and has not yet been updated with the 
new test criteria. With the work landing in EdgeHTML 14, we look forward 
to a much-improved score for Edge soon! We’ll share more when those 
updates are available.


Read more at 
https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/05/12/accessible-ux-with-html5-and-uia/#rXPoCvxQdq5lUl3g.99

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

2016-05-22 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk 

Prove it.


On 5/22/2016 8:25 PM, michaels mail via Talk wrote:
Go Rod i am really over this topic Edge will be working for us in good 
time i am in no hurry.

Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:17 AM
To: 'Stephen Clark'
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
for webresults


Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some 
time,

longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to 
intimidate me

by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
for web

results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest 
that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was 
said to

me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser 
with

no way to change it.



Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my 
system.

Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand,
I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the
search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture
that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen readers. However, my original message is not to be critical
of Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going
with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the near future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you,
but I have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

2016-05-22 Thread michaels mail via Talk 
Go Rod i am really over this topic Edge will be working for us in good time 
i am in no hurry.

Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:17 AM
To: 'Stephen Clark'
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for 
webresults


Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with

no way to change it.



Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand,
I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the
search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture
that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen readers. However, my original message is not to be critical
of Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going
with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the near future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you,
but I have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built
into them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

2016-05-19 Thread net bat via Talk 
that won't last long. microsoft itself says bing and edge will be the only 
choice for the cortana search engine you will have. no matter which browser you 
use as the default.
it sounds like you haven't got all the recommended or optional updates 
installed yet.


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for 
webresults


Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro
machine.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

2016-05-17 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk 
While it is true you can turn the web searching feature off, that's far 
from the point. Microsoft has publically stated that there will be no 
more versions of Internet Explorer after the current version. App 
developers (including desktop apps and universal apps can and probably 
will use MS Edge as their built-in browsers instead of Explorer. I'm 
sure this won't happen over night, but it's just another reason why it's 
so important we are able to get access to Edge.


Just stating the facts.

On 5/17/2016 6:03 PM, net bat wrote:
i turned the option to search on the net from the cortana search box. 
i don't want it searching on the net when i am looking for a setting 
on my computer. for now i still use firefox and google to do searches 
on the net.

this is a so called windows improvement.
the windows search will also only use bing. no matter what default search
engine you have.
microsoft also wants to block the use of all web browsers except edge.
this is pland for the upgrade after july.


-Original Message- From: Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 1:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for 
webresults


Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this 
behavior.


==Steve
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

2016-05-17 Thread net bat via Talk 
i turned the option to search on the net from the cortana search box. i don't 
want it searching on the net when i am looking for a setting on my computer. 
for now i still use firefox and google to do searches on the net.

this is a so called windows improvement.
the windows search will also only use bing. no matter what default search
engine you have.
microsoft also wants to block the use of all web browsers except edge.
this is pland for the upgrade after july.


-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Clark via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 1:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this behavior.

==Steve
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