RE: WE Vs. Fusion
Tried it both ways, but, didn't help. Just for fun and grins, going to install on another computer later and see if this issue just happens on this machine. I did install it in a virtual machine yesterday, and, the keystroke still didn't shut down the program. But, again, I'm going to try it on a Dell laptop later today to see if there is some weird thing with my Acer laptop. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 9:32 AM To: Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: WE Vs. Fusion Hi, If your keyboard layout is not set to Zoomtext fusion default but to Window-eyes default, this could be why insert-f4 didn't work. In that case it would be control-insert-f4. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:39 PM To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Jeremy Curry <jcu...@aisquared.com> Subject: RE: WE Vs. Fusion Hi Joseph, Great feedback on Fusion, thanks. With that said, I am able to shut down Fusion using Insert+F4 with no issue. I wish I could explain why it didn't work for you. Maybe you can send along your system specs so the Fusion QA team can try and duplicate. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:53 PM To: Jeremy Curry <jcu...@aisquared.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion Hi Jeremy: First, great job on Fusion. Although I am not a user of low vision products, I just had to check out fusion and see how well the screen-reader part worked. I can't answer which hotkeys didn't work with the other user, but, I can tell you about a couple minor issues which you may be aware of. I don't know if this is appropriate for the "Talk" list, so, will not keep posting about this too much. First, the new Learning Center is fantastic! And, the Tutor mode will be great for newbies who use the screen-reader part also. Also, if a person buys Fusion, and, looses his/her sight (not that we want that to happen), or maybe their eyes get tired, they definitely are benefited by paying for Fusion. Worst case scenario, they get the Magnification product, and, if they need it later, they've already got a great screen-reader and they probably wouldn't need to pay $895 for Window-Eyes. I guess one can look at the pricing in 2 ways. One, if you want ZoomText, but, might need Window-Eyes, you get Window-Eyes for $400 extra. If you want Window-Eyes, but, need magnification for a while, you get the magnification for $100 extra. Reason I say this, is, if you bought ZoomText for $595 then Window-Eyes for $895, that's about $1700. So, if you buy Fusion you're saving about $800 and getting the best of both worlds. Anyway, the 2 issues I most noticed were these: When installing the product, the program sometimes interrupts the setup wizard to check for app updates, then, the user will have to manually enable the wizard again if they want to use it. This behavior doesn't happen all the time, so, it may be hard to track down, but, thought I'd mention it. Also, the hotkey Insert+f4 does not shut down the program as listed (however, I'll have to read the manual to see what it says about that key). I changed to the Window-Eyes default layout just to see if that made any difference, but, it didn't. I wish I could comment on the magnification side of things, but, I am totally blind. I just had to try out Fusion to see what it was like from my point of view. Here's to the introduction of a great product which gives the user the best of both worlds. Thanks for your time! On 2/17/16, Jeremy Curry via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi Reeva, > > Thank you for responding to this message on the list, and I am glad > you are liking ZT Fusion. Would you be able to tell me what app hot > keys you had to change? If we missed any keys, I want to make sure we > address this in the future. > > Thanks! > > Jeremy > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+jcurry=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:12 PM > To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion > > Hi, approaching the end of my fusion trial. There's we key layout you >
RE: WE Vs. Fusion
Hi, If your keyboard layout is not set to Zoomtext fusion default but to Window-eyes default, this could be why insert-f4 didn't work. In that case it would be control-insert-f4. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:39 PM To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Jeremy Curry <jcu...@aisquared.com> Subject: RE: WE Vs. Fusion Hi Joseph, Great feedback on Fusion, thanks. With that said, I am able to shut down Fusion using Insert+F4 with no issue. I wish I could explain why it didn't work for you. Maybe you can send along your system specs so the Fusion QA team can try and duplicate. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:53 PM To: Jeremy Curry <jcu...@aisquared.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion Hi Jeremy: First, great job on Fusion. Although I am not a user of low vision products, I just had to check out fusion and see how well the screen-reader part worked. I can't answer which hotkeys didn't work with the other user, but, I can tell you about a couple minor issues which you may be aware of. I don't know if this is appropriate for the "Talk" list, so, will not keep posting about this too much. First, the new Learning Center is fantastic! And, the Tutor mode will be great for newbies who use the screen-reader part also. Also, if a person buys Fusion, and, looses his/her sight (not that we want that to happen), or maybe their eyes get tired, they definitely are benefited by paying for Fusion. Worst case scenario, they get the Magnification product, and, if they need it later, they've already got a great screen-reader and they probably wouldn't need to pay $895 for Window-Eyes. I guess one can look at the pricing in 2 ways. One, if you want ZoomText, but, might need Window-Eyes, you get Window-Eyes for $400 extra. If you want Window-Eyes, but, need magnification for a while, you get the magnification for $100 extra. Reason I say this, is, if you bought ZoomText for $595 then Window-Eyes for $895, that's about $1700. So, if you buy Fusion you're saving about $800 and getting the best of both worlds. Anyway, the 2 issues I most noticed were these: When installing the product, the program sometimes interrupts the setup wizard to check for app updates, then, the user will have to manually enable the wizard again if they want to use it. This behavior doesn't happen all the time, so, it may be hard to track down, but, thought I'd mention it. Also, the hotkey Insert+f4 does not shut down the program as listed (however, I'll have to read the manual to see what it says about that key). I changed to the Window-Eyes default layout just to see if that made any difference, but, it didn't. I wish I could comment on the magnification side of things, but, I am totally blind. I just had to try out Fusion to see what it was like from my point of view. Here's to the introduction of a great product which gives the user the best of both worlds. Thanks for your time! On 2/17/16, Jeremy Curry via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi Reeva, > > Thank you for responding to this message on the list, and I am glad you are > liking ZT Fusion. Would you be able to tell me what app hot keys you had to > change? If we missed any keys, I want to make sure we address this in the > future. > > Thanks! > > Jeremy > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jcurry=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:12 PM > To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion > > Hi, approaching the end of my fusion trial. There's we key layout you can > change fusion to in settings. That's the first thing I changed. It's pretty > much we and zt working good together finally. Outside of a couple app hot > keys i had to change there was no issue for me going from using we and zt > together as seperate products to fusion. Unfortunately, there isn't a way > to just restart the screenreader part. You have to restart the whole > program, which takes forever most likely due to the zt part though > ai2 said a update was ciming to help with this issue. I like it. If you're > in the Really low vision boat like me and rely mostly on speech but still > use magnifacation for some things fusion is a program i suggest buying. > > Reeva
RE: WE Vs. Fusion
Hi Mark: I'm using an Acer Aspire v3-572p laptop running Windows 10. I tried Fusion under Windows 8 and Windows 10 and the Insert-f4 command wouldn't work. It showed up in Key Describer, and I even changed it from it's default, thinking there might be something amiss with my function key row, but, no difference. I will try it on another laptop, this weekend just to see what might happen. Here is my system info from ZoomText's help dialog. About ZoomText System Info Program Info Support ZoomTextR 10.1 (64-bit) Copyright C Ai Squared 2015. All rights reserved. Protected by U.S. patent no. 7,483,592 Protected by U.S. patent no. 7,912,322 Protected by U.K. patent no. 2,422,082 Licensed under U.S. patent no. 5,490,216 Fusion Product: Trial - 60 Type: 10.11.1128.93019 (42138) Version: Serial: This product is licensed to Name: Company: System Windows 10 OS Name: 10.0.10586 OS Version: 6058 MB System RAM: C:\WINDOWS Windows Directory: C:\WINDOWS\system32 System Directory: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-5005U CPU @ 2.00GHz CPU: Intel(R) HD Graphics 5500 Device Description: 10.18.15.4248 Driver Version: 8-4-2015 Driver Date: 32 Bits per pixel: 1366 x 768 Screen Resolution: Feature Level 11_0 DirectX Feature Level: Aero Supported Aero Support: Technical Support Registered users of ZoomText can receive technical support from their local authorized ZoomText dealer. Technical support is also available online or by email. Online Support... Request Support... Remote Assistance... Fix-It Commands If a support technician gives you a fix-it command, please type the command in the field below, then click on the Fix It button. Fix It Close Help -Original Message- From: Marc Solomon [mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:39 PM To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Jeremy Curry <jcu...@aisquared.com> Subject: RE: WE Vs. Fusion Hi Joseph, Great feedback on Fusion, thanks. With that said, I am able to shut down Fusion using Insert+F4 with no issue. I wish I could explain why it didn't work for you. Maybe you can send along your system specs so the Fusion QA team can try and duplicate. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:53 PM To: Jeremy Curry <jcu...@aisquared.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion Hi Jeremy: First, great job on Fusion. Although I am not a user of low vision products, I just had to check out fusion and see how well the screen-reader part worked. I can't answer which hotkeys didn't work with the other user, but, I can tell you about a couple minor issues which you may be aware of. I don't know if this is appropriate for the "Talk" list, so, will not keep posting about this too much. First, the new Learning Center is fantastic! And, the Tutor mode will be great for newbies who use the screen-reader part also. Also, if a person buys Fusion, and, looses his/her sight (not that we want that to happen), or maybe their eyes get tired, they definitely are benefited by paying for Fusion. Worst case scenario, they get the Magnification product, and, if they need it later, they've already got a great screen-reader and they probably wouldn't need to pay $895 for Window-Eyes. I guess one can look at the pricing in 2 ways. One, if you want ZoomText, but, might need Window-Eyes, you get Window-Eyes for $400 extra. If you want Window-Eyes, but, need magnification for a while, you get the magnification for $100 extra. Reason I say this, is, if you bought ZoomText for $595 then Window-Eyes for $895, that's about $1700. So, if you buy Fusion you're saving about $800 and getting the best of both worlds. Anyway, the 2 issues I most noticed were these: When installing the product, the program sometimes interrupts the setup wizard to check for app updates, then, the user will have to manually enable the wizard again if they want to use it. This behavior doesn't happen all the time, so, it may be hard to track down, but, thought I'd mention it. Also, the hotkey Insert+f4 does not shut down the program as listed (however, I'll have to read the manual to see what it says about that key). I changed to the Window-Eyes default layout just to see if that made any difference, but, it didn't. I wish I could comment on the magnification side of things, but, I am totally blind. I just had to try out Fusion to see what it was like from my point of view. Here's to the introduction of a great product which gives the user the best of both worlds. Thanks for your time! On 2/17/16, Jeremy Curry via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi Reeva, > > Thank you for responding to this message on the list, and I am glad > you are liking ZT Fusion.
RE: WE Vs. Fusion
Hi Joseph, Great feedback on Fusion, thanks. With that said, I am able to shut down Fusion using Insert+F4 with no issue. I wish I could explain why it didn't work for you. Maybe you can send along your system specs so the Fusion QA team can try and duplicate. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:53 PM To: Jeremy Curry <jcu...@aisquared.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion Hi Jeremy: First, great job on Fusion. Although I am not a user of low vision products, I just had to check out fusion and see how well the screen-reader part worked. I can't answer which hotkeys didn't work with the other user, but, I can tell you about a couple minor issues which you may be aware of. I don't know if this is appropriate for the "Talk" list, so, will not keep posting about this too much. First, the new Learning Center is fantastic! And, the Tutor mode will be great for newbies who use the screen-reader part also. Also, if a person buys Fusion, and, looses his/her sight (not that we want that to happen), or maybe their eyes get tired, they definitely are benefited by paying for Fusion. Worst case scenario, they get the Magnification product, and, if they need it later, they've already got a great screen-reader and they probably wouldn't need to pay $895 for Window-Eyes. I guess one can look at the pricing in 2 ways. One, if you want ZoomText, but, might need Window-Eyes, you get Window-Eyes for $400 extra. If you want Window-Eyes, but, need magnification for a while, you get the magnification for $100 extra. Reason I say this, is, if you bought ZoomText for $595 then Window-Eyes for $895, that's about $1700. So, if you buy Fusion you're saving about $800 and getting the best of both worlds. Anyway, the 2 issues I most noticed were these: When installing the product, the program sometimes interrupts the setup wizard to check for app updates, then, the user will have to manually enable the wizard again if they want to use it. This behavior doesn't happen all the time, so, it may be hard to track down, but, thought I'd mention it. Also, the hotkey Insert+f4 does not shut down the program as listed (however, I'll have to read the manual to see what it says about that key). I changed to the Window-Eyes default layout just to see if that made any difference, but, it didn't. I wish I could comment on the magnification side of things, but, I am totally blind. I just had to try out Fusion to see what it was like from my point of view. Here's to the introduction of a great product which gives the user the best of both worlds. Thanks for your time! On 2/17/16, Jeremy Curry via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi Reeva, > > Thank you for responding to this message on the list, and I am glad you are > liking ZT Fusion. Would you be able to tell me what app hot keys you had to > change? If we missed any keys, I want to make sure we address this in the > future. > > Thanks! > > Jeremy > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jcurry=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:12 PM > To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion > > Hi, approaching the end of my fusion trial. There's we key layout you can > change fusion to in settings. That's the first thing I changed. It's pretty > much we and zt working good together finally. Outside of a couple app hot > keys i had to change there was no issue for me going from using we and zt > together as seperate products to fusion. Unfortunately, there isn't a way > to just restart the screenreader part. You have to restart the whole > program, which takes forever most likely due to the zt part though > ai2 said a update was ciming to help with this issue. I like it. If you're > in the Really low vision boat like me and rely mostly on speech but still > use magnifacation for some things fusion is a program i suggest buying. > > Reeva > > On Tuesday, February 16, 2016, Joseph Norton via Talk < > talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> >> >> Haven't seen much on this list, but, I'm curious about fusion. >> >> >> >> How much like Window-Eyes is fusion if you turn off the ZoomText >> functionality? >> >> >> >> Looks rather similar, but, the hotkeys are different and I don't seem >> to see an option to restart the screen reader if things lock up. >> >> >> >> Otherwise, I almost have the feel I'm running Window-Eyes whenever I >> just use the screen reader part
Re: WE Vs. Fusion
Hi Jeremy: First, great job on Fusion. Although I am not a user of low vision products, I just had to check out fusion and see how well the screen-reader part worked. I can't answer which hotkeys didn't work with the other user, but, I can tell you about a couple minor issues which you may be aware of. I don't know if this is appropriate for the "Talk" list, so, will not keep posting about this too much. First, the new Learning Center is fantastic! And, the Tutor mode will be great for newbies who use the screen-reader part also. Also, if a person buys Fusion, and, looses his/her sight (not that we want that to happen), or maybe their eyes get tired, they definitely are benefited by paying for Fusion. Worst case scenario, they get the Magnification product, and, if they need it later, they've already got a great screen-reader and they probably wouldn't need to pay $895 for Window-Eyes. I guess one can look at the pricing in 2 ways. One, if you want ZoomText, but, might need Window-Eyes, you get Window-Eyes for $400 extra. If you want Window-Eyes, but, need magnification for a while, you get the magnification for $100 extra. Reason I say this, is, if you bought ZoomText for $595 then Window-Eyes for $895, that's about $1700. So, if you buy Fusion you're saving about $800 and getting the best of both worlds. Anyway, the 2 issues I most noticed were these: When installing the product, the program sometimes interrupts the setup wizard to check for app updates, then, the user will have to manually enable the wizard again if they want to use it. This behavior doesn't happen all the time, so, it may be hard to track down, but, thought I'd mention it. Also, the hotkey Insert+f4 does not shut down the program as listed (however, I'll have to read the manual to see what it says about that key). I changed to the Window-Eyes default layout just to see if that made any difference, but, it didn't. I wish I could comment on the magnification side of things, but, I am totally blind. I just had to try out Fusion to see what it was like from my point of view. Here's to the introduction of a great product which gives the user the best of both worlds. Thanks for your time! On 2/17/16, Jeremy Curry via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi Reeva, > > Thank you for responding to this message on the list, and I am glad you are > liking ZT Fusion. Would you be able to tell me what app hot keys you had to > change? If we missed any keys, I want to make sure we address this in the > future. > > Thanks! > > Jeremy > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jcurry=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:12 PM > To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion > > Hi, approaching the end of my fusion trial. There's we key layout you can > change fusion to in settings. That's the first thing I changed. It's pretty > much we and zt working good together finally. Outside of a couple app hot > keys i had to change there was no issue for me going from using we and zt > together as seperate products to fusion. Unfortunately, there isn't a way > to just restart the screenreader part. You have to restart the whole > program, which takes forever most likely due to the zt part though > ai2 said a update was ciming to help with this issue. I like it. If you're > in the Really low vision boat like me and rely mostly on speech but still > use magnifacation for some things fusion is a program i suggest buying. > > Reeva > > On Tuesday, February 16, 2016, Joseph Norton via Talk < > talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> >> >> Haven't seen much on this list, but, I'm curious about fusion. >> >> >> >> How much like Window-Eyes is fusion if you turn off the ZoomText >> functionality? >> >> >> >> Looks rather similar, but, the hotkeys are different and I don't seem >> to see an option to restart the screen reader if things lock up. >> >> >> >> Otherwise, I almost have the feel I'm running Window-Eyes whenever I >> just use the screen reader part. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedang >> elpromises%40gmail.com >> . >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://l
RE: WE Vs. Fusion
Hi Reeva, Thank you for responding to this message on the list, and I am glad you are liking ZT Fusion. Would you be able to tell me what app hot keys you had to change? If we missed any keys, I want to make sure we address this in the future. Thanks! Jeremy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jcurry=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:12 PM To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WE Vs. Fusion Hi, approaching the end of my fusion trial. There's we key layout you can change fusion to in settings. That's the first thing I changed. It's pretty much we and zt working good together finally. Outside of a couple app hot keys i had to change there was no issue for me going from using we and zt together as seperate products to fusion. Unfortunately, there isn't a way to just restart the screenreader part. You have to restart the whole program, which takes forever most likely due to the zt part though ai2 said a update was ciming to help with this issue. I like it. If you're in the Really low vision boat like me and rely mostly on speech but still use magnifacation for some things fusion is a program i suggest buying. Reeva On Tuesday, February 16, 2016, Joseph Norton via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi: > > > > Haven't seen much on this list, but, I'm curious about fusion. > > > > How much like Window-Eyes is fusion if you turn off the ZoomText > functionality? > > > > Looks rather similar, but, the hotkeys are different and I don't seem > to see an option to restart the screen reader if things lock up. > > > > Otherwise, I almost have the feel I'm running Window-Eyes whenever I > just use the screen reader part. > > > > Thanks! > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedang > elpromises%40gmail.com > . > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jcurry%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
WE Vs. Fusion
Hi: Haven't seen much on this list, but, I'm curious about fusion. How much like Window-Eyes is fusion if you turn off the ZoomText functionality? Looks rather similar, but, the hotkeys are different and I don't seem to see an option to restart the screen reader if things lock up. Otherwise, I almost have the feel I'm running Window-Eyes whenever I just use the screen reader part. Thanks! ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
