Windows 10 Creator Question

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Is there any way to delete the items from the run dialog box?

Pastor Gil
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question about sam encoder in window eyes

[aad leeflang via Talk]

hello all
is someone on this list using the sam encoder with window eyes?
i don't know if this question belongs on this list, but i will give it a
try.

when i am using sam encoder with station playlist and window eyes and
connect to a server for streaming audio
i get a kind of beep like a kind of sf-sound, like an alien,
in jaws there is a way to turn that sound off by using a special help
function.
how can i avoi8d this kind of beep in window eyes when i connect to a
server?
hope to hear from you
aad

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Re: bluetooth and computer

[Chris G via Talk]

You need Bluetooth hardware.  If your computer doesn't have built in 
Bluetooth, you can buy a usb adapter to give your computer Bluetooth.




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 Original Message 
From: Don Smith via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 7:54 AM EST
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: bluetooth and computer

Does windows 10 haveany bluetooth features or must I have an iphone or ipad
or android stuff



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RE: bluetooth and computer

[Don Smith via Talk]

Ok, thanks.
Now what you are taling about, is that the piece of hardware that either
goes in the usbport or in the audio output for the headsets?

If correct, are they just a fix for bluetooth or  they indeed a reliable
source to give your computer bluetooth cabable?
Thanks


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having issues with creators update, particularly Miranda NG and TW Blue

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Hi.  so I just updated my 
laptop to the creator's update and all of a sudden, Window-eyes 9.5.4.0 
no longer reads tweets when using the latest TW Blue, and messages from 
Miranda NG won't read either.   I've done a bunch of stuff before I 
decided to write this message, so let me tell you what I did so we can 
elimiate any unknowns.   I thought it might be the Window-eyes display 
driver, so I updated it, and the programs I mentioned still won't read 
propperly.  When going up and down in the list of tweets, Window-eyes 
does not speak at all using the invisible interface of tw blue.  
However, when I show the window, the tweets read just as they should.  
I've also returned the settings in Window-eyes to their factory 
defaults, still no dice.  I've even gone so far as to uninstall, and 
re-install Window-eyes, in hopes that that would fix it.  Still no go.  
I've made sure that the windows theme is set to classic, and the 
background is solid color.  I checked and my video card drivers are even 
updated.  The frustrating thing is that these programs work fine using 
other screenreaders such as NVDA, but not Window-eyes.  Do you guys have 
any idea what I can do to fix this issue?  I'm using my desktop to write 
this since the creators update hasn't hit it yet, and after this 
experience, i'm not looking forward to updating for obvious reasons.


Hope one of you guys can offer a bit of assistance.



Thanks in advance.


Thanks!



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gun shy about new laptop

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to it 
in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on the 
right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until after I 
got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was two things. 
 First, it does not have the application key, which I have learned to get 
around with the Shift F10 keystroke.  The bigger problem was the whole thing 
we've talked about with now having to push the FN key in order to get the 
function keys to work the way I want.  (I had not found someone who was 
comfortable going into the bios to help me see about changing this.)  The 
biggest problem Is that this function key thing also applies to the Insert key, 
as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten pretty good at using the caps 
lock key instead, but this requires some real finger gymnastics to activate 
certain Window Eyes command.  Aside from all this, there is also some we
 ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying. All 
this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in paying 
a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly returned it 
to Costco for a refund or exchange.

So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted 
husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this 
problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so did 
not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest netbook 
thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I wanted to get 
my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that Costco doubles the 
manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk support for the 
computers purchased there.

Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to 
navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd really 
like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.

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Windows 10 creator's update, was re: a great article for those considering a mac

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Hi.  Funny you should mention Jonathan Mosen!

by the way his last name is spelled

m. o. s. e. n.

   He put out a pretty indepth podcast about the creator's update with 
Jeff Bishop, who knows windows inside and out. It lasts over an hour, so 
you can kick back and listen to the discussion.  It's pretty lengthty, 
but anyone wanting to get up to speed should give it a listen.  You can 
find it at:


http://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/316913959-theblindsidepodcast-episode30.mp3 





at:

2017 3:18 PM, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:

Hi, I wonder what Jonathan Motson will have to say about windows creator or 
whether he will even update. Now, I am so confused I don't know what to do. I 
am not for Milyer with all of the programs and apps he has used. I have been a 
window eyes user since 1990 and I am saddened that it is not being updated or 
changed. Does it really work with office 365? I don't want to be online all the 
time just use my computer. Thank you any comments are appreciated

Jo Taliaferro

On Apr 8, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk  
wrote:

I've read that article myself.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 10:31 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A great article for those considering a Mac.

Thanks much for this.
Evan

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 11:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: A great article for those considering a Mac.

This is by Jonathan Mosen, a very experienced user of virtually every
accessibility option available to us. It is a knowledgeable first hand
long term experiential article that will tell you a lot more than the
wishful thinking in this thread.
http://mosen.org/saying-goodbye-to-the-mac/
Hth,
Tom
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Re: considering updating, have a little question

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I downloaded and ran Windows10Upgrade9252.exe

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:36 AM
To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: considering updating, have a little question

its control windows enter now for narrator.
and its the same. you turn it on in about 1 hour after the setup starts.
i don't know if the u s b version of windows 10 will have the self talking
setup or not if you ever need to do a clean install.
the creator version now has a talking install when you need to do a clean
install. i don't know if the creation tool would include this.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: considering updating, have a little question

Hey listers,

I am considering going ahead and updating to the Creators edition today
instead of waiting until it comes around on the guitar, if some of you
are old enough to know or remember what I mean.

Two things I would like to know.

When I go to update within the settings options, will it take for ever
for the update process to even begin, like it did when updating to
Windows 10. If so, would I be better off using something like a media
creation tool as I finally ended up doing when upgrading to 10, or is
there any such tool, or as I guess I am trying to establish, is that
even an option?

Also, when does Narrator start talking in the process of updating? Or,
do I need to press windows-enter periodically within the process to
start it up?

OK, before I succeed in confusing even myself, I will turn it over you,
patient reader.

Thanks in advance,

Larry
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bluetooth and computer

[Don Smith via Talk]

Does windows 10 haveany bluetooth features or must I have an iphone or ipad
or android stuff

 

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Re: gun shy about new laptop

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Also Dell's not too bad.  I have a Latitude E6530, and no problem with 
the FN key.--Matthew Chao





On 4/12/2017 1:53 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

You might look at some Acer models.

Mine has the applications key, and, the mouse pad is easily disabled by
pressing fn plus f7. I may have had to go into BIOS and turn the fn key off,
but, I can't remember.


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:30 PM
To: Chris G ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: gun shy about new laptop

I might think of that Chris.  My last computer was a Toshiba.  I just saw a
news story that Toshiba may no longer be able to be a going concern, but
they were working to sell of f and structure to stay viable.  I have never
really considered the refurbished, but that may be a good option for me.





-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Subject: Re: gun shy about new laptop

Hi,
A couple years ago I purchased a Toshiba.
There were some thigs i liked.
1.  Toshiba had a  utility where I went in and turned off the function key
myself.
2.  It has the 10 key number pad.
3.  it has the applications key.
Here is the link, you can get it refurbished for about  $350.00 It has
windows 8.1 on it but you should be able to install Windows 10.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00FOXJ9NM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF
8=all




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 Original Message 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 12:14 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: gun shy about new laptop

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to
it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on
the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until
after I got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was
two things.  First, it does not have the application key, which I have
learned to get around with the Shift F10 keystroke.
The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked about with now having to
push the FN key in order to get the function keys to work the way I want.
(I had not found someone who was comfortable going into the bios to help me
see about changing this.)  The biggest problem Is that this function key
thing also applies to the Insert key, as it is right next to the F12 key.
I've gotten pretty good at using the caps lock key instead, but this
requires some real finger gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes
command.  Aside from all this, there is also some we
ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying.
All this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in
paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly
returned it to Costco for a refund or exchange.

So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted
husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this
problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so
did not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest
netbook thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I
wanted to get my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that
Costco doubles the manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help
desk support for the computers purchased there.

Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to
navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd really
like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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Re: gun shy about new laptop

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Oh yes, and my pet peeve is the touchpad.  I can turn that off with 
FN/F5.--Matthew Chao





On 4/12/2017 1:53 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

You might look at some Acer models.

Mine has the applications key, and, the mouse pad is easily disabled by
pressing fn plus f7. I may have had to go into BIOS and turn the fn key off,
but, I can't remember.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:30 PM
To: Chris G ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: gun shy about new laptop

I might think of that Chris.  My last computer was a Toshiba.  I just saw a
news story that Toshiba may no longer be able to be a going concern, but
they were working to sell of f and structure to stay viable.  I have never
really considered the refurbished, but that may be a good option for me.





-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Subject: Re: gun shy about new laptop

Hi,
A couple years ago I purchased a Toshiba.
There were some thigs i liked.
1.  Toshiba had a  utility where I went in and turned off the function key
myself.
2.  It has the 10 key number pad.
3.  it has the applications key.
Here is the link, you can get it refurbished for about  $350.00 It has
windows 8.1 on it but you should be able to install Windows 10.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00FOXJ9NM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF
8=all




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 Original Message 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 12:14 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: gun shy about new laptop

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to
it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on
the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until
after I got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was
two things.  First, it does not have the application key, which I have
learned to get around with the Shift F10 keystroke.
The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked about with now having to
push the FN key in order to get the function keys to work the way I want.
(I had not found someone who was comfortable going into the bios to help me
see about changing this.)  The biggest problem Is that this function key
thing also applies to the Insert key, as it is right next to the F12 key.
I've gotten pretty good at using the caps lock key instead, but this
requires some real finger gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes
command.  Aside from all this, there is also some we
ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying.
All this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in
paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly
returned it to Costco for a refund or exchange.

So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted
husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this
problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so
did not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest
netbook thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I
wanted to get my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that
Costco doubles the manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help
desk support for the computers purchased there.

Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to
navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd really
like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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Re: gun shy about new laptop

[Chris G via Talk]

Hi,
A couple years ago I purchased a Toshiba.
There were some thigs i liked.
1.  Toshiba had a  utility where I went in and turned off the function 
key myself.

2.  It has the 10 key number pad.
3.  it has the applications key.
Here is the link, you can get it refurbished for about  $350.00
It has windows 8.1 on it but you should be able to install Windows 10.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00FOXJ9NM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8=all




Chris Grabowski
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 Original Message 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 12:14 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: gun shy about new laptop

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me 
to it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number 
pad on the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not 
realize until after I got it home and paid money for a tech to come help 
me set it up was two things.  First, it does not have the application 
key, which I have learned to get around with the Shift F10 keystroke. 
The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked about with now 
having to push the FN key in order to get the function keys to work the 
way I want.  (I had not found someone who was comfortable going into the 
bios to help me see about changing this.)  The biggest problem Is that 
this function key thing also applies to the Insert key, as it is right 
next to the F12 key.  I've gotten pretty good at using the caps lock key 
instead, but this requires some real finger gymnastics to activate 
certain Window Eyes command.  Aside from all this, there is also some we
  ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is 
annoying. All this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I 
not invested in paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably 
would have quickly returned it to Costco for a refund or exchange.


So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my 
sighted husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to 
repeat this problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer 
user at home, so did not want to spend much money, although I'm not 
looking for the cheapest netbook thing either.  I mainly looked at Best 
Buy and Costco, because I wanted to get my hands on the keyboard and 
feel the layout.  I like that Costco doubles the manufacturer's warranty 
and provides great, free help desk support for the computers purchased 
there.


Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to 
navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd 
really like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.


Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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Re: gun shy about new laptop

[via Talk]

It's a nuisence, but have you thought of using a desktop keyboard  plugged
into one of the USB ports?.  I have very heavy fingers which get me into
constant trouble on a laptop with very sensitive keys.  It also eliminates
the problem with accidently touching the mouse pad.
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RE: gun shy about new laptop

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

You might look at some Acer models.

Mine has the applications key, and, the mouse pad is easily disabled by
pressing fn plus f7. I may have had to go into BIOS and turn the fn key off,
but, I can't remember.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:30 PM
To: Chris G ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: gun shy about new laptop

I might think of that Chris.  My last computer was a Toshiba.  I just saw a
news story that Toshiba may no longer be able to be a going concern, but
they were working to sell of f and structure to stay viable.  I have never
really considered the refurbished, but that may be a good option for me. 





-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Subject: Re: gun shy about new laptop

Hi,
A couple years ago I purchased a Toshiba.
There were some thigs i liked.
1.  Toshiba had a  utility where I went in and turned off the function key
myself.
2.  It has the 10 key number pad.
3.  it has the applications key.
Here is the link, you can get it refurbished for about  $350.00 It has
windows 8.1 on it but you should be able to install Windows 10.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00FOXJ9NM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF
8=all




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 Original Message 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 12:14 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: gun shy about new laptop

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to
it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on
the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until
after I got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was
two things.  First, it does not have the application key, which I have
learned to get around with the Shift F10 keystroke. 
The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked about with now having to
push the FN key in order to get the function keys to work the way I want.
(I had not found someone who was comfortable going into the bios to help me
see about changing this.)  The biggest problem Is that this function key
thing also applies to the Insert key, as it is right next to the F12 key.
I've gotten pretty good at using the caps lock key instead, but this
requires some real finger gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes
command.  Aside from all this, there is also some we
   ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying.
All this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in
paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly
returned it to Costco for a refund or exchange.

So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted
husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this
problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so
did not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest
netbook thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I
wanted to get my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that
Costco doubles the manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help
desk support for the computers purchased there.

Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to
navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd really
like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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RE: gun shy about new laptop

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

I might think of that Chris.  My last computer was a Toshiba.  I just saw a 
news story that Toshiba may no longer be able to be a going concern, but they 
were working to sell of f and structure to stay viable.  I have never really 
considered the refurbished, but that may be a good option for me. 





-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Subject: Re: gun shy about new laptop

Hi,
A couple years ago I purchased a Toshiba.
There were some thigs i liked.
1.  Toshiba had a  utility where I went in and turned off the function key 
myself.
2.  It has the 10 key number pad.
3.  it has the applications key.
Here is the link, you can get it refurbished for about  $350.00 It has windows 
8.1 on it but you should be able to install Windows 10.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00FOXJ9NM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8=all




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 Original Message 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 12:14 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: gun shy about new laptop

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to it 
in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on the 
right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until after I 
got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was two things. 
 First, it does not have the application key, which I have learned to get 
around with the Shift F10 keystroke. 
The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked about with now having to 
push the FN key in order to get the function keys to work the way I want.  (I 
had not found someone who was comfortable going into the bios to help me see 
about changing this.)  The biggest problem Is that this function key thing also 
applies to the Insert key, as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten 
pretty good at using the caps lock key instead, but this requires some real 
finger gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes command.  Aside from all 
this, there is also some we
   ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying. All 
this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in paying 
a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly returned it 
to Costco for a refund or exchange.

So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted 
husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this 
problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so did 
not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest netbook 
thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I wanted to get 
my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that Costco doubles the 
manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk support for the 
computers purchased there.

Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to 
navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd really 
like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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thoughts on the future of screen readers

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

 

All the stuff going on in the AT market made me think back to the 80's.

 

Anyone remember the Speech Plus calculator from Telesensory Systems?

 

Back in the late 70's, it blew many of us away.  We had seen calculators,
and had our sighted friends and family members demonstrate them to us-of
course, we couldn't read the display.  Then, here came TSI with a calculator
that we could use.  Sure, it was a little big, but, we could hold it in our
hands, and it had a comfortable keyboard that was easy to learn, and, most
important of all, it talked!  It cost $395.00.

 

Fast-forward to 1981 or 1982, I can't remember which.  Suddenly, Sharp came
out with the EL-620.  Here was a smaller, lighter talking calculator, with a
better speech chip.  It did everything the Speech Plus did, and then some.
It could read numbers as words, like (four thousand three-hundred
forty-five" instead of 4 3 4 5 point oh oh.  It  You could tell it which way
you wanted to hear the numbers.  Sure, there were some shortcomings.  The
keyboard wasn't as comfortable, but, it could be learned.  There was no
headphone jack, though, Sciencde For The Blind Products sold a model they
retrofitted with one.  It didn't have rechargeable batteries, but, you could
buy an AC adapter.  And, most attractive of all, it cost $69.95 retail.

 

Telesensory held onto the Speech Plus for a while longer.  But, they
stubbornly refused to lower the price-in fact, the price went up to $445.00
before they finally dropped it and went to other things.

 

Could the same thing be about to happen with regard to screen readers?

 

After all, the 2 big players in the market here in the U.S. have been
Freedom Scientific and GW Micro.  Their products had a similar price point,
though, Window-Eyes price was a little lower and you didn't have to pay a
higher price depending on which version of Windows you used.

 

Now, we have NVDA, and Microsoft could be stepping up the gain with
improvements in Narrator.

 

Could things go in a similar direction?  Like the Speech Plus calculator,
could the price on the main screen readers actually go up, due to lack of
sales, and, one day, could they disappear altogether?

 

I doubt it, for the present, but, it may be something to think about.

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Re: gun shy about new laptop

[Brenda via Talk]

Hi robin,

I have a similar story to yours.  I am now a casual home computer user 
as I no longer do medical transcription.  I own a 15 inch Lenovo laptop 
which I purchased last spring when my Win7 pc almost died.



When I called Window-eyes Tech support to find out what to avoid with 
laptops, I was not warned about the function keys being designated and 
the need to press the FN key to overide the default uses.  Best buy 
didn't tell me this eather until I had already paid for Geek Squad 
service/set-up, and my laptop was ready to go home.



fortunately, my laptop does have an application key.  Also, my numpad 
has an insert key  as part of the numpad.  the numpad insert key is very 
small, but it is there.  could you have this key without realizing it 
(just a thought)?



I still don't like having to use the FN key when i want to use the 
Window-eyes copy & paste key F8 in some programs. It is a nuisance to 
use the FN+fF6 key in Thunderbird as if you do it wrong it turns 
airplane mode on and I lose my wifi connection.  F5 to refresh is the 
only other function key I have to look out for, but these are not 
Window-eyes command keys.  F1 is really tricky because it will mute 
speech if the FN key is not pressed.  that being said, it is sometimes 
convenient to have the system function keys for things like volume and 
close down.



I haven't used the laptop layout, but could that be a solution for now?


My Lenovo laptop cost $350 at Best Buy.  It was discontinued shortly 
after that, but it has what I need.  Lenovo could be an option for you.



The only thing I like about laptops is that if the power goes out the 
computer doesn't shut down.  My husband was able to revive my Win7 
desktop, and I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies and forces 
me to become proficient with Win10 on a laptop, possibly with the laptop 
layout for Window-eyes.



sorry for lengthening a short ansre.  Just my thoughts on the subject.


Brenda

because I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies.




On 4/12/2017 12:14 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until after I got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was two things.  First, it does not have the application key, which I have learned to get around with the Shift F10 keystroke.  The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked about with now having to push the FN key in order to get the function keys to work the way I want.  (I had not found someone who was comfortable going into the bios to help me see about changing this.)  The biggest problem Is that this function key thing also applies to the Insert key, as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten pretty good at using the caps lock key instead, but this requires some real finger gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes command.  Aside from all this, there is also some 

we

  ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying. All 
this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in paying 
a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly returned it 
to Costco for a refund or exchange.

So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted 
husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this 
problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so did 
not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest netbook 
thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I wanted to get 
my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that Costco doubles the 
manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk support for the 
computers purchased there.

Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to 
navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd really 
like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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FW: Membership Problem

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi everyone,

I'm forwarding this message which contains most of the thread of a conversation 
with Peter, a list member, who uses Gmail to access the list and is having 
problems.
Could you please read our conversation and see if you can help?
I don't believe the help link Gmail provides within the error message is 
relevant.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: peter Chin [mailto:peter.chi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:34 PM
To: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: Membership Problem 

Hello Rod,

Sorry, I can't ask on the list as my messages to it are still blocked. 
Perhaps you could ask on my behalf?

When I write to the list, I get the following message which I have pasted 
below:


Error Icon

Message blocked
Your message has been blocked by
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
. See technical details below for more information.
LEARN MORE

The response from the remote server was:
Message rejected. See https://support.google.com/mail/answer/69585 for more 
information.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:04 PM
To: peter Chin
Subject: RE: Membership Problem

Hi Peter,

That's okay.
I don't use Gmail myself, but you might try to See if you can find the 
setting for disabling all spam filters.
However, it may very well be that Gmail does some filtering of spam by 
default, but I don't know.
You could ask this question on the talk list.

Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: peter Chin [mailto:peter.chi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 4:56 AM
To: Rod Hutton
Subject: Membership Problem

Hello Rod,

Since I last wrote to you, I have been receiving mail again from the 
Window-Eyes list but I had to go to the web page of gmail and remove most of 
them from my spam box. I am finding that more and more of the messages to me 
from this list have been moved to the spam box. I wonder why that is.

Anyway, sorry for all the  fuss and hope I will continue to receiv messages 
from this list.

Thanks again. 

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RE: gun shy about new laptop

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Brenda,

I am not sure whether you realize, but you can reassign the F8 copy key under 
hot keys, browse mode.
Also, I only run desktops, and all of them have a battery backup, which cost 
about $50.00 and will keep your PC alive until you either power down manually, 
or it will automatically execute the Windows Hibernate command and save 
everything to the disk and then shut down safely.

Hth,

Rod


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:35 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: gun shy about new laptop

Hi robin,

I have a similar story to yours.  I am now a casual home computer user 
as I no longer do medical transcription.  I own a 15 inch Lenovo laptop 
which I purchased last spring when my Win7 pc almost died.


When I called Window-eyes Tech support to find out what to avoid with 
laptops, I was not warned about the function keys being designated and 
the need to press the FN key to overide the default uses.  Best buy 
didn't tell me this eather until I had already paid for Geek Squad 
service/set-up, and my laptop was ready to go home.


fortunately, my laptop does have an application key.  Also, my numpad 
has an insert key  as part of the numpad.  the numpad insert key is very 
small, but it is there.  could you have this key without realizing it 
(just a thought)?


I still don't like having to use the FN key when i want to use the 
Window-eyes copy & paste key F8 in some programs. It is a nuisance to 
use the FN+fF6 key in Thunderbird as if you do it wrong it turns 
airplane mode on and I lose my wifi connection.  F5 to refresh is the 
only other function key I have to look out for, but these are not 
Window-eyes command keys.  F1 is really tricky because it will mute 
speech if the FN key is not pressed.  that being said, it is sometimes 
convenient to have the system function keys for things like volume and 
close down.


I haven't used the laptop layout, but could that be a solution for now?


My Lenovo laptop cost $350 at Best Buy.  It was discontinued shortly 
after that, but it has what I need.  Lenovo could be an option for you.


The only thing I like about laptops is that if the power goes out the 
computer doesn't shut down.  My husband was able to revive my Win7 
desktop, and I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies and forces 
me to become proficient with Win10 on a laptop, possibly with the laptop 
layout for Window-eyes.


sorry for lengthening a short ansre.  Just my thoughts on the subject.


Brenda

because I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies.




On 4/12/2017 12:14 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to it 
> in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on the 
> right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until after I 
> got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was two 
> things.  First, it does not have the application key, which I have learned to 
> get around with the Shift F10 keystroke.  The bigger problem was the whole 
> thing we've talked about with now having to push the FN key in order to get 
> the function keys to work the way I want.  (I had not found someone who was 
> comfortable going into the bios to help me see about changing this.)  The 
> biggest problem Is that this function key thing also applies to the Insert 
> key, as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten pretty good at using 
> the caps lock key instead, but this requires some real finger gymnastics to 
> activate certain Window Eyes command.  Aside from all this, there is also 
> some 
 we
>   ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying. 
> All this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in 
> paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly 
> returned it to Costco for a refund or exchange.
>
> So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted 
> husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this 
> problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so 
> did not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest 
> netbook thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I 
> wanted to get my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that 
> Costco doubles the manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk 
> support for the computers purchased there.
>
> Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to 
> navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd really 
> like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.
>
> Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
> Strategy & Performance 

Re: gun shy about new laptop

[Jo Taliaferro via Talk]

Hello, on a similar note, I have been reading up on to Sheba and some of the 
losses that have occurred because of various things like bad management, etc. 
How risky is it now, to buy a to Shiba computer for business purposes question 
does anyone have a clue after hearing Jonathan Moseman's podcast in November 
2016 question thank you, I have liked to Shiba in the past but wonder if I 
couldn't get a business computer and still have the portability that I like? 
Thank you so much.

Jo Taliaferro 

On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Chris G via Talk  
wrote:

Hi,
A couple years ago I purchased a Toshiba.
There were some thigs i liked.
1.  Toshiba had a  utility where I went in and turned off the function key 
myself.
2.  It has the 10 key number pad.
3.  it has the applications key.
Here is the link, you can get it refurbished for about  $350.00
It has windows 8.1 on it but you should be able to install Windows 10.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00FOXJ9NM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8=all




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 Original Message 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 12:14 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: gun shy about new laptop

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to it 
in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on the 
right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until after I 
got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was two things. 
 First, it does not have the application key, which I have learned to get 
around with the Shift F10 keystroke. The bigger problem was the whole thing 
we've talked about with now having to push the FN key in order to get the 
function keys to work the way I want.  (I had not found someone who was 
comfortable going into the bios to help me see about changing this.)  The 
biggest problem Is that this function key thing also applies to the Insert key, 
as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten pretty good at using the caps 
lock key instead, but this requires some real finger gymnastics to activate 
certain Window Eyes command.  Aside from all this, there is also some we
 ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying. All 
this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in paying 
a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly returned it 
to Costco for a refund or exchange.

So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted 
husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this 
problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so did 
not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest netbook 
thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I wanted to get 
my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that Costco doubles the 
manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk support for the 
computers purchased there.

Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how to 
navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  I'd really 
like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.

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Re: Staying with what I know

[Tony C via Talk]

   I'm keeping my windows 10 and WE also. I'm getting the Mac because I 
want to learn it, and I also want to be prepared when VFO And JFW tries to 
put the screws to everyone. LOL


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:23 AM
To: 'Jo Taliaferro' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Staying with what I know

I'd feel the same as you. My fear is that all this negatism actually
threatens the product.



Alison

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Re: gun shy about new laptop

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

I have an HP Pavilion purchased nearly two years ago, and I have very 
few issues with it. Now, this may sound stupid, but where is this fn key 
that people are talking about. I thought that all of the top row of 
little keys were function keys.

Thank you.

Peace.
Linette



On 4/12/2017 1:35 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hi robin,

I have a similar story to yours.  I am now a casual home computer user
as I no longer do medical transcription.  I own a 15 inch Lenovo laptop
which I purchased last spring when my Win7 pc almost died.


When I called Window-eyes Tech support to find out what to avoid with
laptops, I was not warned about the function keys being designated and
the need to press the FN key to overide the default uses.  Best buy
didn't tell me this eather until I had already paid for Geek Squad
service/set-up, and my laptop was ready to go home.


fortunately, my laptop does have an application key.  Also, my numpad
has an insert key  as part of the numpad.  the numpad insert key is very
small, but it is there.  could you have this key without realizing it
(just a thought)?


I still don't like having to use the FN key when i want to use the
Window-eyes copy & paste key F8 in some programs. It is a nuisance to
use the FN+fF6 key in Thunderbird as if you do it wrong it turns
airplane mode on and I lose my wifi connection.  F5 to refresh is the
only other function key I have to look out for, but these are not
Window-eyes command keys.  F1 is really tricky because it will mute
speech if the FN key is not pressed.  that being said, it is sometimes
convenient to have the system function keys for things like volume and
close down.


I haven't used the laptop layout, but could that be a solution for now?


My Lenovo laptop cost $350 at Best Buy.  It was discontinued shortly
after that, but it has what I need.  Lenovo could be an option for you.


The only thing I like about laptops is that if the power goes out the
computer doesn't shut down.  My husband was able to revive my Win7
desktop, and I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies and forces
me to become proficient with Win10 on a laptop, possibly with the laptop
layout for Window-eyes.


sorry for lengthening a short ansre.  Just my thoughts on the subject.


Brenda

because I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies.




On 4/12/2017 12:14 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew
me to it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key
number pad on the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did
not realize until after I got it home and paid money for a tech to
come help me set it up was two things.  First, it does not have the
application key, which I have learned to get around with the Shift F10
keystroke.  The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked about
with now having to push the FN key in order to get the function keys
to work the way I want.  (I had not found someone who was comfortable
going into the bios to help me see about changing this.)  The biggest
problem Is that this function key thing also applies to the Insert
key, as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten pretty good at
using the caps lock key instead, but this requires some real finger
gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes command.  Aside from all
this, there is also some

we

  ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is
annoying. All this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I
not invested in paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I
probably would have quickly returned it to Costco for a refund or
exchange.

So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my
sighted husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not
to repeat this problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy
computer user at home, so did not want to spend much money, although
I'm not looking for the cheapest netbook thing either.  I mainly
looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I wanted to get my hands on the
keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that Costco doubles the
manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk support for
the computers purchased there.

Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how
to navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?
I'd really like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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Re: How Accessible Is WindowEyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

i'm pretty sure it works with the microsoft programs, but i can't speak 
to the google applications.


 You should be safe using all the microsoft products.





On 4/12/2017 8:42 PM, Owais Patel via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone. I have some questions regarding WindowEyes and it's functionality 
with several Applications? Does WindowEyes work with all Microsoft Word, 
Microsoft PowerPoint, Microsoft's Excel, Google Docs, Google Slides, Google 
Sheets and Google Forms? Just to clarify I'm asking if all these applications 
allow access through WindowEyes from Writing to Formatting which includes Font 
Selections, formatting the page and adding Tables and headings Etc, and 
completing the document in a professional printing way just like a publisher? 
Please reply as soon as possible.

Best Regards,
Owais


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How Accessible Is WindowEyes

[Owais Patel via Talk]

Hi everyone. I have some questions regarding WindowEyes and it's functionality 
with several Applications? Does WindowEyes work with all Microsoft Word, 
Microsoft PowerPoint, Microsoft's Excel, Google Docs, Google Slides, Google 
Sheets and Google Forms? Just to clarify I'm asking if all these applications 
allow access through WindowEyes from Writing to Formatting which includes Font 
Selections, formatting the page and adding Tables and headings Etc, and 
completing the document in a professional printing way just like a publisher? 
Please reply as soon as possible.

Best Regards, 
Owais 


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Re: gun shy about new laptop

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

depending on what you do you canchange this by holding down the fn key 
and pressing the escape key this turns your function keeys back to 
regular f1 through 12 no need then for the fn key plus f8 I have a 
lenovo laptop and this is what I learned from lenovo .



On 4/12/2017 1:35 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hi robin,

I have a similar story to yours.  I am now a casual home computer user 
as I no longer do medical transcription.  I own a 15 inch Lenovo 
laptop which I purchased last spring when my Win7 pc almost died.



When I called Window-eyes Tech support to find out what to avoid with 
laptops, I was not warned about the function keys being designated and 
the need to press the FN key to overide the default uses.  Best buy 
didn't tell me this eather until I had already paid for Geek Squad 
service/set-up, and my laptop was ready to go home.



fortunately, my laptop does have an application key.  Also, my numpad 
has an insert key  as part of the numpad.  the numpad insert key is 
very small, but it is there.  could you have this key without 
realizing it (just a thought)?



I still don't like having to use the FN key when i want to use the 
Window-eyes copy & paste key F8 in some programs. It is a nuisance to 
use the FN+fF6 key in Thunderbird as if you do it wrong it turns 
airplane mode on and I lose my wifi connection.  F5 to refresh is the 
only other function key I have to look out for, but these are not 
Window-eyes command keys.  F1 is really tricky because it will mute 
speech if the FN key is not pressed.  that being said, it is sometimes 
convenient to have the system function keys for things like volume and 
close down.



I haven't used the laptop layout, but could that be a solution for now?


My Lenovo laptop cost $350 at Best Buy.  It was discontinued shortly 
after that, but it has what I need.  Lenovo could be an option for you.



The only thing I like about laptops is that if the power goes out the 
computer doesn't shut down.  My husband was able to revive my Win7 
desktop, and I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies and 
forces me to become proficient with Win10 on a laptop, possibly with 
the laptop layout for Window-eyes.



sorry for lengthening a short ansre.  Just my thoughts on the subject.


Brenda

because I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies.




On 4/12/2017 12:14 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
Late last summer I got a new HP laptop. The primary thing that drew 
me to it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key 
number pad on the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did 
not realize until after I got it home and paid money for a tech to 
come help me set it up was two things.  First, it does not have the 
application key, which I have learned to get around with the Shift 
F10 keystroke.  The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked 
about with now having to push the FN key in order to get the function 
keys to work the way I want.  (I had not found someone who was 
comfortable going into the bios to help me see about changing this.)  
The biggest problem Is that this function key thing also applies to 
the Insert key, as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten 
pretty good at using the caps lock key instead, but this requires 
some real finger gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes command.  
Aside from all this, there is also some 

we
  ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is 
annoying. All this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I 
not invested in paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I 
probably would have quickly returned it to Costco for a refund or 
exchange.


So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my 
sighted husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not 
to repeat this problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy 
computer user at home, so did not want to spend much money, although 
I'm not looking for the cheapest netbook thing either.  I mainly 
looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I wanted to get my hands on 
the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that Costco doubles the 
manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk support 
for the computers purchased there.


Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how 
to navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  
I'd really like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.


Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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Re: thoughts on the future of screen readers

[Dave via Talk]

Yes Yes, I remember that Big ol Basic Calculator.  I recall it was a
Whopping $400, which was a lot of money back in those days.  More than I
had any way.  

I had just gone through Rehab, where I learned to use the Abacus.  Laugh
if you want, but once I learned that Abacus, I thought everyone should
learn to use the Abacus, Sighted and Blind both.  

I thought it was a great tool to use when doing typical Math Stuff.

I have a couple of Talking calculators, but on occasion, I still use an
Abacus.  




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Re: Staying with what I know

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I agree with this I think having both a mac, and a windows computer is a 
very smart thing to do.



On 4/12/2017 5:56 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
   I'm keeping my windows 10 and WE also. I'm getting the Mac because 
I want to learn it, and I also want to be prepared when VFO And JFW 
tries to put the screws to everyone. LOL


-Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:23 AM
To: 'Jo Taliaferro' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Staying with what I know

I'd feel the same as you. My fear is that all this negatism actually
threatens the product.



Alison

y





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