date:20080529

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Ian Dees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has anyone experimented with using the hourly, daily, etc. OSC files
 available on planet.openstreetmap.org to update their live PostGIS database?
 Ideally, I'd like to also kick off mapnik re-rendering of the tiles that
 have changed.

 I'm looking at it, but wanted to make sure I'm not duplicating someone's
 work.


Not actively as far as I'm aware.

Martijn did some work to make the osm2pgsql slim mode work which you'd
need for this; this results in tables for ways, nodes, and relations,
as well as the standard feature tables. Then when importing the
changes you have to keep track of which features in the feature tables
need to change. Ideally you could create a new postgis table which
defines the changed areas -- this could be used to determine which
tiles need rerendering.

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008/5/29 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Scotland and Wales are countries.

Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or
Hessen are. So while it's certainly an important thing to reflect on
the map, the boundaries between the UK components (sub-countries?)
shouldn't render the same as those between actual states.

 Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been
 digitised yet.

It has, but it's inaccurate. I've been correcting it in stages. But
Juan is right - whereas it used to appear on the Mapnik layer, it has
now vanished. I think the problem here is that there's great variety
in how boundaries are currently tagged. I didn't originally tag the
Irish border, so I haven't bothered to check whether it corresponds
with latest thinking.

BTW, Juan, you should probably avoid suggesting to Irish people that
they live on a British island ;)

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio

OSM's (official?) motto  is your own map of the world. I guess I didn't quite 
understand it until today. Thanks for putting me wise ;-)
 
Cheers,
Lucas



De: Tom Chance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 12:16
Para: talk@openstreetmap.org
CC: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; Steve Chilton
Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands



France and Germany share the same currency, Iceland has no army, Australia and
England share the same head of state, Scotland has its own Parliament with
certain devolved powers that are different to Wales' elected Assembly.

Then there's a difference between Britain, the British Isles, the United
Kingdom and the Commonwealth.

Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries 
with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other
national border.

Tom

On Thursday 29 May 2008 11:12:32 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
 Scotland and England share the same currency, army, head of state and
 parliament. Sweden and Norway do not share those things. Nobody thinks that
 difference should be visible in a map?

 Cheers,
 Lucas

 

 De: Steve Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 11:20
 Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; talk@openstreetmap.org
 Asunto: RE: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands



 Scotland and Wales are countries.

 Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been
 digitised yet.



 Cheers

 STEVE



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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Lucas Dominguez
 Rubio Sent: 29 May 2008 07:57
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands



 According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and
 Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something?



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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008/5/29 Tom Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries
 with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other
 national border.

Well, in a UK context, NI is actually a province, and isn't Wales a
principality? Either way, none of them issue their own passports or
maintain separate EU membership, so you can't really claim that they
are as separate from each other as countries that do have these
trappings of statehood.

I've just fixed the Irish border, which luckily presents no such
dilemma, as it is an international border, even by non-UK criteria. It
lacked  admin_level=2.

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio

Scotland and England share the same currency, army, head of state and 
parliament. Sweden and Norway do not share those things. Nobody thinks that 
difference should be visible in a map?  
 
Cheers,
Lucas



De: Steve Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 11:20
Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; talk@openstreetmap.org
Asunto: RE: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands



Scotland and Wales are countries.

Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been digitised 
yet.

 

Cheers

STEVE

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Lucas 
Dominguez Rubio
Sent: 29 May 2008 07:57
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

 

According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and 
Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something?  

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Shaun McDonald


On 29 May 2008, at 11:41, Dermot McNally wrote:

 2008/5/29 Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Dermot McNally wrote:

 2008/5/29 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Scotland and Wales are countries.

 Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or
 Hessen are.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

 thinks it's a bit more than that.

 On the contrary - certainly in the case of Bavaria, which really was a
 country until 1918. But we've neatly illustrated the point.
 Non-Germans don't see why Bavaria would see itself as a country, even
 though it does. Non-British people (and, it seems, half of England)
 don't as a rule regard Scotland or Wales as countries on a par with,
 say, France. And as an Irish person, I've encountered my share of
 people who don't think my country is a real one either.


Seemingly a lot of people seem to regard the UK as England. It's not  
the first time someone's asked me what it's like in England. Until  
about 6 weeks ago I was unable to tell them because I had never lived  
in England until then.

Shaun

 But the clue here is that we're discussing the appropriate use of
 boundary tagging, specifically a thing we call admin_level. I guess
 none of us will disagree that Germany and the UK get to exercise a
 higher level of administration than a country like England or Wales?

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008/5/29 Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Dermot McNally wrote:

 2008/5/29 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Scotland and Wales are countries.

 Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or
 Hessen are.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

 thinks it's a bit more than that.

On the contrary - certainly in the case of Bavaria, which really was a
country until 1918. But we've neatly illustrated the point.
Non-Germans don't see why Bavaria would see itself as a country, even
though it does. Non-British people (and, it seems, half of England)
don't as a rule regard Scotland or Wales as countries on a par with,
say, France. And as an Irish person, I've encountered my share of
people who don't think my country is a real one either.

But the clue here is that we're discussing the appropriate use of
boundary tagging, specifically a thing we call admin_level. I guess
none of us will disagree that Germany and the UK get to exercise a
higher level of administration than a country like England or Wales?

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Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within park

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i've got a situation come up, that i'm not sure how to map:

 http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.9241lon=174.77611zoom=17layers=0B0FF

 this shows a park which is near the coast. it includes an area of
 water linked, by a man-made tunnel, to the ocean, wholly contained
 with in the park. previously, it was completely open to the sea - the
 motorway to the south since built on a causeway has cut it off, apart
 from the tunnel. therefore, the area of water is tidal, and hence is
 demarcated from land by the coastline

 how could this be mapped/tagged? initially, i tagged the coastline as
 layer=1 to make it show up on the renderers above the park (by
 default, park renders above coastline AFAICS).

 any ideas? should the lagoon be tagged as coastline as i have done, or
 is that stretching a point too far? i don't think the park stops at
 the water's edge, so cutting a hole in it is not suitable

just tag it natural=water.
You can add some random tidal=yes, water=salty kind of thing if you want.

Whether something is coastline always gets a little fuzzy in places.



 this also brings up the question of what happens when a park (such as
 the great barrier reef) extends over an ocean/islands: does it obscure
 what is underneath? is there a way round this?


I think this is a very different kind of park. You're no longer
defining a physical thing, but a logical one. The rendering will have
to take account of that, as should the tagging.

Dave

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Lauri Hahne

2008/5/29 Dermot McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 2008/5/29 Tom Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are
 countries
  with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other
  national border.

 Well, in a UK context, NI is actually a province, and isn't Wales a
 principality? Either way, none of them issue their own passports or
 maintain separate EU membership, so you can't really claim that they
 are as separate from each other as countries that do have these
 trappings of statehood.



But they do have their own football teams which decides this issue. :D



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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and
 Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something?



The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database.

As for Wales and Scotland... well that's just an interesting
perspective... it surely could have been England that declared
independence?... anyway..

This is just an indication of the conflicted definition of country,
nation, and national. The borders are in the OSM DB as admin_level 2
(national border).
You try telling any one of those nationalities that they're not
actually a country I'll stand well back when you do it.

Dave

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008/5/29 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database.

It has. I've been tweaking bits of it for months now. Look for ID 24428706.

 This is just an indication of the conflicted definition of country,
 nation, and national. The borders are in the OSM DB as admin_level 2
 (national border).
 You try telling any one of those nationalities that they're not
 actually a country I'll stand well back when you do it.

The word country needn't be a stumbling block here. That's just
language. In German, Land can mean Bundesland just as often as it
means country. But we can't go tagging UK internal borders the same
way as we do those of sovereign states, because it doesn't accurately
depict reality.

There are plenty of people in Ireland who would resent the Irish
border being described as an international one, but sovereignty is a
well understood concept that has to be reflected accurately on the
map.

Dermot

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error

2008-05-29 Thread Bruce Cowan

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:09 +0100, Shaun McDonald wrote:
 On 28 May 2008, at 23:21, Bruce Cowan wrote:
 
  On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 14:11 -0500, Ian Dees wrote:
  Ahh, thanks. This version of osm2pgsql was installed via apt-get. Can
  we get an updated version on the multiverse servers?
 
  Due to Ubuntu's ridiculous bureaucracy levels, this wouldn't happen
  unless there's a major bug in the version that is in at the moment  
  (and
  even at that they won't bother for something this little used).
 
 
 It won't work any more. Isn't that a major bug?

Due to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates , you'd have to file
a bug with the following information:

  * A statement explaining the impact of the bug on users and
justification for backporting the fix to the stable release 
  * An explanation of how the bug has been addressed in the
development branch, including the relevant version numbers of
packages modified in order to implement the fix. 
  * A minimal patch applicable to the stable version of the package.
If preparing a patch is likely to be time-consuming, it may be
preferable to get a general approval from the SRU team first.
  * Detailed instructions how to reproduce the bug. These should
allow someone who is not familiar with the affected package to
reproduce the bug and verify that the updated package fixes the
problem. Please mark this with a line TEST CASE:. 
  * A discussion of the regression potential of the patch and how
users could get inadvertently effected. 

After this, it has to go through a ~2 week verification stage.

In other words, it's not worth the effort.
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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Bruce Cowan

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:57 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
 According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence,
 and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss
 something?  

Give it a few years, then it will be true.

Seriously, the number system for borders is rather strange, surely there
must be a more obvious scale. I suppose this has been mentioned before
though.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Svalbard coastlines

2008-05-29 Thread Lauri Hahne

Mapnik has the coastline at low zoom levels so there must be some source for
those.

2008/5/29 David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - Original Message -
 From: David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Talk Openstreetmap
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Svalbard coastlines

  Unless I hear that someone else has started it, I'll start uploading
  coastline for this area this evening.

  David

 Unfortunately I was not able to generate any coastline data.  Due I believe
 to missing Landsat tiles for this area.

 I tried both the coastline upload, and lakewalker.

 Sorry

 David

  - Original Message -
  From: Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:37 PM
  Subject: [OSM-talk] Svalbard coastlines

  Does anyone know how to get coastlines for Svalbard
  (http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=78.99lon=14.9 ), I know three people
  who are going there this summer so I was thinking of giving them a GPS
  for the trip. There is one guy who is going there by sea[1] so he will
  need a coastline to moor his ship.

  Svalbard mapping is in a sad state, perhaps the Polar bear likes
  cartographers too much. The i-cube sattelite images from OpenAerial
  ends at the norweigan cost, the Google maps coast line is of higher
  resolution that OSM but still very low res. Not even Norweigan maps of
  the area are easily available[2]

  [1]http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3203#p3203
  [2]
 http://www.gulesider.no/kart/?ps=2companies=n=80.4676619527361s=75.9851782341589e=24.834321988076w=6.37208972333081panX=116panY=-77tool=panscrollX=0scrollY=0zoomFactor=undefined

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro

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| But the clue here is that we're discussing the appropriate use of
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| none of us will disagree that Germany and the UK get to exercise a
| higher level of administration than a country like England or Wales?

I've always thought that England / Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland
forming the UK are pretty similar to the 50 states forming the USA - I
think it would be reasonable to use the same markings on the default map
to divide them.

Legal purists may want different (or extra) tags in the database on the
grounds that it's a completely different situation, but they could be
rendered the same.

Robert (Jamie) Munro
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Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within park

2008-05-29 Thread Karl Newman

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  i've got a situation come up, that i'm not sure how to map:
 
 
 http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.9241lon=174.77611zoom=17layers=0B0FF
 
  this shows a park which is near the coast. it includes an area of
  water linked, by a man-made tunnel, to the ocean, wholly contained
  with in the park. previously, it was completely open to the sea - the
  motorway to the south since built on a causeway has cut it off, apart
  from the tunnel. therefore, the area of water is tidal, and hence is
  demarcated from land by the coastline
 
  how could this be mapped/tagged? initially, i tagged the coastline as
  layer=1 to make it show up on the renderers above the park (by
  default, park renders above coastline AFAICS).
 
  any ideas? should the lagoon be tagged as coastline as i have done, or
  is that stretching a point too far? i don't think the park stops at
  the water's edge, so cutting a hole in it is not suitable

 just tag it natural=water.
 You can add some random tidal=yes, water=salty kind of thing if you want.

 Whether something is coastline always gets a little fuzzy in places.


 
  this also brings up the question of what happens when a park (such as
  the great barrier reef) extends over an ocean/islands: does it obscure
  what is underneath? is there a way round this?
 

 I think this is a very different kind of park. You're no longer
 defining a physical thing, but a logical one. The rendering will have
 to take account of that, as should the tagging.

 Dave


Parks are *always* logical things. Even the traditional kind--without some
designation, they're just grassy areas (or trees). Some sort of translucent
rendering would be cool... And no, I'm not volunteering to do it. ;-)

Karl
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Re: [OSM-talk] Update OSM PostGIS DB with .osc files?

2008-05-29 Thread Steve Hill

On Wed, 28 May 2008, Ian Dees wrote:

 Has anyone experimented with using the hourly, daily, etc. OSC files
 available on planet.openstreetmap.org to update their live PostGIS
 database? Ideally, I'd like to also kick off mapnik re-rendering of the
 tiles that have changed.
 
 I'm looking at it, but wanted to make sure I'm not duplicating someone's
 work.

I got part way through writing code to do it, but didn't have time to 
complete it.  I did hear rumour that osm2pgsql might be gaining support in 
the future to do this (not sure how likely/soon that is).  My experience 
has been that storing all the data in the DB can be very slow and use a 
lot of disk space, so fairly careful design of the database is needed. 
Also, I made the mistake of doing it in Python - I really think it needs 
to be done in C to get a decent efficiency.

I'll be extremely interested in anything you can come out with though - 
it'd be very useful to be able to import the changes since it would 
allow minutely updates.  You should also be able to calculate which tiles 
need updating while importing the changes, allowing the old tiles to be 
easilly expired and updated.

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dermot McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/5/29 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database.

 It has. I've been tweaking bits of it for months now. Look for ID 24428706.

 This is just an indication of the conflicted definition of country,
 nation, and national. The borders are in the OSM DB as admin_level 2
 (national border).
 You try telling any one of those nationalities that they're not
 actually a country I'll stand well back when you do it.

 The word country needn't be a stumbling block here. That's just
 language.

Who says I was just talking about language? Nobody said (as in the
current wiki page doesn't) admin_level=2 represents sovereign states
recognised by the UN... or whatever the concrete definition is that
you're getting at. It says country borders, such as the border
between Austria and Germany. That's open to some interpretation,
which may not have been the intention of the people writing the page,
but there you go.


 In German, Land can mean Bundesland just as often as it
 means country. But we can't go tagging UK internal borders the same
 way as we do those of sovereign states, because it doesn't accurately
 depict reality.

Depends what reality you're trying to depict :-). Again, I get what
you're saying and would tend to agree when using the same definition
you're using, but I'd still stand back a bit when trying to explain it

Dave

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Lars Aronsson

Shaun McDonald wrote:

 Seemingly a lot of people seem to regard the UK as England. It's 
 not the first time someone's asked me what it's like in England. 
 Until about 6 weeks ago I was unable to tell them because I had 
 never lived in England until then.

Same thing with Sweden!  Foreigners insist on using the Viking age 
(9th - 11th century) name Sweden / Schweden / Suede.  Even the 
Icelanders who should know better say Sviþioð.  But this refers to 
the middle section (Svealand) of the united kingdom of Svealand, 
Götaland and Wendes, known since at least the 14th century as Svea 
rike or Sverige.  For heaven's sake, our nation's coat of arms 
carries the three crowns, as does our airforce and our national 
hockey team, to indicate that Sweden is the true United Kingdom,

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Crowns

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Sweden

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Air_Force

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_national_men%27s_ice_hockey_team

Bloody ignorant foreigners!  Stop calling us Sweden!


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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread simon



 BTW, Juan, you should probably avoid suggesting to Irish people that
 they live on a British island ;)


Just imagine the protests at the State of the Map



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[OSM-talk] not-in-map_features / poi-without-name

2008-05-29 Thread Andrew Allison

I haven't seen anything in the list but in the last few days I'm seeing
a lot of points being labeled not-in-map_features or poi-without-name.

looks to be bridges, golf courses, banks, even some type of roads

Here are some links to the sort of thing I talking about


http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.31405lon=-79.83582zoom=15layers=B00TF

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.98958lon=-81.31327zoom=16layers=B00TF

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.0014lon=-79.4617zoom=14layers=B00TF

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.7588lon=-2.70008zoom=16layers=B00TF

Did I miss a memo?

Andrew


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Re: [OSM-talk] Using Osmarender to hilight Relation/Routes?

2008-05-29 Thread simon

More progress made on this, and it's now in a working state. I checked
changes into SVN lastnight and included some rough styles in the level 17
(only) features file.

By default rendering is turned off, enable it by setting
'showRelationRoutes=yes' at the top of the features file.

As every loves screen captures, here's one:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Osmarender_with_relationroutes.png

Know problems:
1) All nodes within a RelationRoute are rendered as 'stops'. Don't know
how to match partial string (ie. 'stop_*') to mask out any non-stops in
XSLT.

With some work the features file can probably be cleaned up enough to
enable RelationRoutes by default.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] not-in-map_features / poi-without-name

2008-05-29 Thread Ludwig

You have the maplint layer on, click it off and it will go away.

2008/5/29 Andrew Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I haven't seen anything in the list but in the last few days I'm seeing
 a lot of points being labeled not-in-map_features or poi-without-name.

 looks to be bridges, golf courses, banks, even some type of roads

 Here are some links to the sort of thing I talking about



 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.31405lon=-79.83582zoom=15layers=B00TF


 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.98958lon=-81.31327zoom=16layers=B00TF

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.0014lon=-79.4617zoom=14layers=B00TF

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.7588lon=-2.70008zoom=16layers=B00TF

 Did I miss a memo?

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Lester Caine

Forgot to hit reply all ;)

Shaun McDonald wrote:
 On 29 May 2008, at 13:31, Bruce Cowan wrote:
 
 On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:57 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
 According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence,
 and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss
 something?
 Give it a few years, then it will be true.
 
 Seriously, the number system for borders is rather strange, surely  
 there
 must be a more obvious scale. I suppose this has been mentioned before
 though.
 
 I thought people are using things like district, country, city, town  
 etc for the boundaries, rather than a numeric value.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:boundary
Is basically wrong - UK boundary should be admin_level=2
admin_level=3 should be used for the separate England/ Scotland/ Wales
boundaries :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Bruce Cowan

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:26 +0100, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:

 I've always thought that England / Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland
 forming the UK are pretty similar to the 50 states forming the USA - I
 think it would be reasonable to use the same markings on the default map
 to divide them.
 
 Legal purists may want different (or extra) tags in the database on the
 grounds that it's a completely different situation, but they could be
 rendered the same.

For all purposes, this is probably reasonably accurate apart from the
fact that one state has no devolution, 2 have devolution and one has
further devolution. For the purposes of a map, the precise nature of the
powers of each part are negligible.

I suppose technically the USA is similar as each state has different
powers available to them (or I think they do).
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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread elvin ibbotson

This discussion about the national status of England, Scotland, Wales  
and Ulster is very entertaining but is not going to reach a  
conclusion without another war. Personally I would give these  
countries the same status as states as they are effectively states  
within the United Kingdom or (with the exception of Ulster) Great  
Britain.


This strand of the discussion (below) though echoes the earlier  
thread I kicked off (but gave up pursuing because there seemed to be  
more prejudice than logic in the discussion) about the idea of  
numerically-based properties in the database mapped to human-friendly  
language in editors and viewers. Most of that discussion was about  
highways but similar arguments seem to apply to boundaries. I think  
most British mappers would be happier selecting from a boundary sub- 
menu of 'National', 'County', 'District', 'parish', with each choice  
invisibly mapped back to the appropriate numerical boundary type than  
with the clumsy 'boundary=administrative' 'admin_level=4' approach.  
In other countries/languages, other words would map to the same numbers.


But isn't this democratic/anarchic approach to mapping great? I'm  
going to put a national/state level boundary around our village and  
name it Isle of Man, resulting in some worthwhile reductions in taxes  
and a free grandstand seat for the TT races next month :-)


elvin ibbotson


From: Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 29 May 2008 13:43:43 BDT
To: Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

On 29 May 2008, at 13:31, Bruce Cowan wrote:

Seriously, the number system for borders is rather strange, surely  
there

must be a more obvious scale. I suppose this has been mentioned before
though.



I thought people are using things like district, country, city, town  
etc for the boundaries, rather than a numeric value.



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[OSM-talk] Rendering boundary names?

2008-05-29 Thread David Earl

Is it possible for Mapnik and/or Osmarender ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to render the 
names of 
  adjacent areas alongside boundaries?

e.g. for
   boundary=administrative
   left:county=Cambridgeshire
   right:county=Suffolk
instead of just a line, we'd see (at intervals)

 Cambridgeshire
   +---+---+---+---+---+---
Suffolk

I guess it doesn't matter much what it says after the left: and right: 
(which must be easier to deal with in Mapnik, I'd have thought), though 
if we (very reasonably) had on a single boundary
   boundary=administrative
   left:county=Cambridgeshire
   right:county=Suffolk
   left:district=South Cambridgeshire
   right:district:Forest Heath
some concatenation would be required, e.g.

 Cambridgeshire / South Cambridgeshire
   +---+---+---+---+---+---
   Suffolk / Forest Heath

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[OSM-talk] Rendering collisions in Mapnik

2008-05-29 Thread David Earl

I understand Mapnik has some caption collision avoidance built in, yes? 
Can someone explain what the rules are?

I ask because of this:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.1988lon=0.4122zoom=14layers=B00FF

You can see there's a series of small villages, Saxon Street, Little 
Ditton, Woodditton, Stetchworth dotted over the area, but the name of 
probably the most significant is missing, which is rather disturbing as 
it gives an incorrect sense of incompleteness.

If you follow the road South West and then West from Stetchworth you 
come to a crossroads with the B1061. A point very close to that 
crossroads is Dullingham (as you can see if you either zoom out or zoom 
in one level).

I'm guessing that the collision detection is giving preference to the 
B1061 label.

Is this a deliberate precedence, or is it just which is seen first?

If the latter, is it possible to implement a precedence. I think place 
names are considerably more important - especially if other place names 
are present - than the road numbers, which will generally be repeated 
anyway. And in general to have a hierarchy of which is rendered by 
precedence - e.g. the name of a primary road is more important than a 
tertiary and so on.

Also for points, what about moving the caption slightly. Are you using 
some kind of grid of cells to decide whether an area of map is occupied 
by a caption? If so rather than abandoning it at first go, might it be 
possibly to try neighbouring cells in an outwardly expanding spiral up 
to some limit deemed too far? In this case it wouldn't matter a jot if 
the name Dullingham was shown 1mm further south.

David

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[OSM-talk] Mapnik street name positioning

2008-05-29 Thread David Earl

One more thing about Mapnik rendering, then I'll stop!

Quite often streets change their names along their length. But the 
caption placement seems to put the names in the middle of a way.

I wonder if it would be useful instead to put the name at either end of 
the way (unless it won't fit, in which case just one in the centre as 
now), and also repeat at intervals if there is plenty of room. Ditto refs.

Concatenating similarly named contiguous ways and then deciding how to 
do the caption placement as a whole would be better still, but that's 
much harder, of course.

David

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Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering collisions in Mapnik

2008-05-29 Thread Tom Hughes

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I understand Mapnik has some caption collision avoidance built in, yes?
 Can someone explain what the rules are?

Basically it's all down to the order in which things are processed
by mapnik - the first thing it processes wins.

That means that the order is controlled both by the order of the
various rendering rules, which controls whether one type of object
beats another, and by the order in which objects are retrieved from
the database.

 I ask because of this:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.1988lon=0.4122zoom=14layers=B00FF
 
 You can see there's a series of small villages, Saxon Street, Little
 Ditton, Woodditton, Stetchworth dotted over the area, but the name of
 probably the most significant is missing, which is rather disturbing as
 it gives an incorrect sense of incompleteness.

It's a known bug that at the moment we don't order places when
fetching them from the database so it is arbitrary which place
wins in a case like this. We need to make osm2pgsql assign
a z_order to place nodes and then retrieve them in order in the
stylesheet.

 If you follow the road South West and then West from Stetchworth you
 come to a crossroads with the B1061. A point very close to that
 crossroads is Dullingham (as you can see if you either zoom out or zoom
 in one level).
 
 I'm guessing that the collision detection is giving preference to the
 B1061 label.
 
 Is this a deliberate precedence, or is it just which is seen first?

That will be down to the stylesheet rendering road names before place
names - changing the order of the rules is quite scary though and can
have hard to predict consequences...

 Also for points, what about moving the caption slightly. Are you using
 some kind of grid of cells to decide whether an area of map is occupied
 by a caption? If so rather than abandoning it at first go, might it be
 possibly to try neighbouring cells in an outwardly expanding spiral up
 to some limit deemed too far? In this case it wouldn't matter a jot if
 the name Dullingham was shown 1mm further south.

The ability to indicate that some names can be peturbed a bit to find
space for them is something that would have to be added to mapnik
itself - it is something that has been discussed because there are
definitely cases where it would be useful.

Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Beau Gunderson

Surprised no one has posted this link yet:

   http://qntm.org/?uk

A nice Venn diagram of the UK. :)


Beau

On 5/29/08, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 I've always thought that England / Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland
 forming the UK are pretty similar to the 50 states forming the USA - I
 think it would be reasonable to use the same markings on the default map
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 Legal purists may want different (or extra) tags in the database on the
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Re: [OSM-talk] Svalbard coastlines

2008-05-29 Thread Jon Burgess

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 16:19 +0300, Lauri Hahne wrote:
 Mapnik has the coastline at low zoom levels so there must be some
 source for those.

That would be from the vmap0 shapefile. The quality would be poor, but
better than nothing. The entire Svalbard is only around 3000 points.

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Re: [OSM-talk] presentation slides wanted

2008-05-29 Thread tim

You can also get quite a few presentations at slideshare.net
http://www.slideshare.net/search/slideshow?q=openstreetmap


On 5/27/08, Stephan Schildberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am looking for a presentation, slide show made with Impress or similar
  alterable data.

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[OSM-talk] Islands in lakes

2008-05-29 Thread Donald Allwright

Hi All,
Can anyone explain what's gone wrong here:
http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-15.756477951963221lon=-69.56994035747516zoom=12layers=B000F000F

Following the discussions last week about how to tag islands in lakes so that
they render properly, I've gone round and re-worked the tags for islands in
Lake Titicaca (which disappeared in Mapnik this week, presumably as a result of
a tagging error). To be sure I had got it right I sought out a similar feature
set to examine the tags, and found this:

http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=60.873lon=14.822zoom=11layers=B00FF

which is displayed correctly in both osmarender and mapnik. It seems that most
of the tiles are now rendering correctly, but some of them are rendering
inverted. I've had to mark a number of tiles as blank land or blank sea too
(via informationfreeway.org, I presume pressing 'l' or 's' at zoom 12 has the
desired effect?). I can't see how it can be an error in the track that marks
the island, as part of it is rendered correctly. Any clues as to what's gone
wrong? (The osmarender tiles at zoom 12 are all messed up in this area, I'm
just concentrating on z=12 for now).

Cheers,
Donald

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[OSM-talk] [Tagging] Request for Comments: Smoothness

2008-05-29 Thread Christian Linder

Hi everybody,

I request comments for the proposed key Smoothness:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Smoothness

Rationale:

Provide a very narrow, yet sufficient classification scheme regarding the
physical usability of a way for wheeled vehicles. In my opinion, it is
possible to adequately model this very important and broadly applicable
property of ways (think of racing bikes, wheel chairs, skates, sports cars)
by a very small set of values. The following table provides an overview of
the proposed tags with an examplary set of vehicles. Please note that this
proposal is *not* confined to this subset of wheeled vehicles. I rather
propose that *any* wheeled vehicle perfectly fits into one of those
categories, please correct me if I am wrong.


Best regards

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error

2008-05-29 Thread yellowbkpk


After compiling osm2pgsql myself, I got it to correctly import. The next step
(from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapnik) is to render, and when
I run generate_image.py, I get:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./generate_image.py, line 46, in module
view.save(map_uri,'png')
AttributeError: 'ImageView' object has no attribute 'save'

Something tells me I need to update one of the Python modules (because I
installed them via apt-get), but which one?

Thanks!


yellowbkpk wrote:
 
 I'm running postgres-8.3-postgis on a Ubuntu 8.04 system.
 
 I finished downloading the planet.osm file yesterday and started running
 osm2pgsql. When I woke up this morning, I had the following on my screen:
 
 osm2pgsql SVN version 0.08-20071112 $Rev: 4842 $ 
 
 Setting up table: planet_osm_point
 Setting up table: planet_osm_line
 Setting up table: planet_osm_polygon
 Setting up table: planet_osm_roads
 
 Reading in file: /mnt/planet-latest.osm.bz2
 Processing: Node(237171k) Way(19252k) Relation(9k)
 Writing way(0k)
 
 Node stats: total(237171271), max(262574346)
 Way stats: total(19252201), max(24252860)
 Relation stats: total(9051), max(12553)
 VACUUM ANALYZE planet_osm_point;
 ALTER TABLE planet_osm_point ALTER COLUMN way SET NOT NULL;
 CREATE INDEX way_index0 ON planet_osm_point USING GIST (way
 GIST_GEOMETRY_OPS);
 CREATE INDEX z_index0 ON planet_osm_point (z_order);
 CLUSTER way_index0 ON planet_osm_point;
 GRANT SELECT ON planet_osm_point TO PUBLIC;
 VACUUM ANALYZE planet_osm_point;
  failed: ERROR:  VACUUM cannot be executed from a function or
 multi-command string
 
 Error occurred, cleaning up
 
 Can anyone suggest a workaround? When I received this message earlier, I
 ran the individual SQL commands one at a time and they all worked, but
 Mapnik couldn't render using the database. I guess there was more data to
 import after this step.
 

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[OSM-talk] New kind of 3D maps.

2008-05-29 Thread Erik Johansson

3D maps of Stockholm was just released on the web, and my head just exploded.

You need Java 1.5
http://hitta.se/3d/3d_splash.aspx
check Jag godkänner villkoren

If you can't see it, think of it as a highres Voxel landscape, with an
even higher resolution texture on it. They do this by using aerial
imagery, not laser.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Islands in lakes

2008-05-29 Thread Beau Gunderson

Sidenote: I'm sure I'm not the only person who has hit those keys on
informationfreeway wondering what they did and messed up some tiles... Might
be good to have a popup explaining things the first time you press one and
then store that you've seen it in a cookie.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Donald Allwright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi All,
Can anyone explain what's gone wrong here:

http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-15.756477951963221lon=-69.56994035747516zoom=12layers=B000F000F
?

Following the discussions last week about how to tag islands in lakes so
that they render properly, I've gone round and re-worked the tags for
islands in Lake Titicaca (which disappeared in Mapnik this week, presumably
as a result of a tagging error). To be sure I had got it right I sought out
a similar feature set to examine the tags, and found this:

http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=60.873lon=14.822zoom=11layers=B00FF

which is displayed correctly in both osmarender and mapnik. It seems that
most of the tiles are now rendering correctly, but some of them are
rendering inverted. I've had to mark a number of tiles as blank land or
blank sea too (via informationfreeway.org, I presume pressing 'l' or 's'
at zoom 12 has the desired effect?). I can't see how it can be an error in
the track that marks the island, as part of it is rendered correctly. Any
clues as to what's gone wrong? (The osmarender tiles at zoom 12 are all
messed up in this area, I'm just concentrating on z=12 for now).

Cheers,
Donald

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Others build windmills.
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Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

 This strand of the discussion (below) though echoes the earlier thread I
 kicked off (but gave up pursuing because there seemed to be more prejudice
 than logic in the discussion) about the idea of numerically-based properties
 in the database mapped to human-friendly language in editors and viewers.

OMG is your brain mush? This whole nonsense is over what admin_level
(a numerical tagging scheme) maps to. It's the perfect example of why
numbering the bloomin tags doesn't necessarily actually solve
anything. It's also the perfect example of how a global numbering
system is utterly irrelevant given our ability to invent domain and
ordering specific ones on a whim.


 Most of that discussion was about highways but similar arguments seem to
 apply to boundaries. I think most British mappers would be happier selecting
 from a boundary sub-menu of 'National', 'County', 'District', 'parish', with
 each choice invisibly mapped back to the appropriate numerical boundary type
 than with the clumsy 'boundary=administrative' 'admin_level=4' approach.

Yes, I'm sure they would rather pick from such a menu. Mapping to the
relevant boundary and admin_level tags should be trivial as the wiki
page manages it. I'm sure implementations are welcome.

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Re: [OSM-talk] New kind of 3D maps.

2008-05-29 Thread Anselm Hook

I figured this was the next step in general ... time to get
openvoxelspace.org or something


On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 3D maps of Stockholm was just released on the web, and my head just
 exploded.

 You need Java 1.5
 http://hitta.se/3d/3d_splash.aspx
 check Jag godkänner villkoren

 If you can't see it, think of it as a highres Voxel landscape, with an
 even higher resolution texture on it. They do this by using aerial
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[OSM-talk] Overlapping Crossing ways

2008-05-29 Thread Mark Williams





This is another Potlatch grumble - but it's not really Potlatch, it's
the internet.

I just found a whole lot (really, a lot) of overlapping ways with some
really old data (Potlatch alpha  before) buried under new versions
from Potlatch v0.6a  0.8 - for instance, the M25 Junction 30 had 3
(three!!) layers of roundabout in places. 2 hours has seen most of it
off... I wonder how much of other peoples' time I just deleted?

I can't imagine this was done knowingly; I suspect that the redraw was
sufficiently slow that it looked unmapped to a less experienced user,
and allowed time to re-draw the ways before it showed up.

Would it be possible to make it draw ways  nodes BEFORE the aerial
photography, so this can't happen is less likely? I
had assumed that having to move from the map to the editor would
prevent this, but I think folk are scrolling miles  never seeing
the rendered version. Maybe a slippy map under the photography? Or make
it impossible to add any nodes until it's completely finished loading?

I also had a good number of "High Road; Low Road" names to untangle,
and a river to unplait. I do hope it stays done this time :)

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[OSM-talk] online routing service with osm data

2008-05-29 Thread Robin Paulson

i saw this today on the openmoko list, not sure why it wasn't
announced here as well:

http://www.openrouteservice.org/

it's a point and click routing service, using OSM data, pretty similar
to google maps. nice interface, and pretty quick to come up with an
answer

the kicker for me is it allows routing for pedestrians, which
generally have a shorter route than cars - cutting through malls,
parks, against traffic on one way streets, etc

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error

2008-05-29 Thread Jon Burgess

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:50 -0700, yellowbkpk wrote:
 After compiling osm2pgsql myself, I got it to correctly import. The next step
 (from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapnik) is to render, and when
 I run generate_image.py, I get:
 
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File ./generate_image.py, line 46, in module
 view.save(map_uri,'png')
 AttributeError: 'ImageView' object has no attribute 'save'
 
 Something tells me I need to update one of the Python modules (because I
 installed them via apt-get), but which one?
 
 Thanks!

Does it work if you change that line to:

save_to_file(tile_uri,'png',view)

If so, then you are running mapnik 0.4 (or older). The current scripts
assume that you are running 0.5 (or 0.5.1).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Crossing ways

2008-05-29 Thread Robin Paulson

2008/5/30 Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 This is another Potlatch grumble - but it's not really Potlatch, it's the
 internet.

 I just found a whole lot (really, a lot) of overlapping ways with some
 really old data (Potlatch alpha  before) buried under new versions from
 Potlatch v0.6a  0.8 - for instance, the M25 Junction 30 had 3 (three!!)
 layers of roundabout in places. 2 hours has seen most of it off... I wonder
 how much of other peoples' time I just deleted?

i had a similar problem near me recently. i had a lot of streets that
had been 'helpfully' drawn, without tags, in small, unjoined segments.
after i mapped the area in question, i merged all the relevant
segments and tagged them as appropriate (all in potlatch, approx.
version 0.9a i think).

i was looking at the rendering the next day, and realised that when
they'd been merged, a new long road had been created, but the original
short pieces had not been deleted - not at all what i had imagined
would happen, and surely not intentional. i guess this is what
happened here with your m25 problems

maybe we need an extra warning category in maplint, to indicate
duplicate ways  - i.e. using the same nodes and having the same tags?


 I can't imagine this was done knowingly; I suspect that the redraw was
 sufficiently slow that it looked unmapped to a less experienced user, and
 allowed time to re-draw the ways before it showed up.

 Would it be possible to make it draw ways  nodes BEFORE the aerial
 photography, so this can't happen is less likely? I had assumed that having
 to move from the map to the editor would prevent this, but I think folk are
 scrolling miles  never seeing the rendered version. Maybe a slippy map
 under the photography? Or make it impossible to add any nodes until it's
 completely finished loading?

 I also had a good number of High Road; Low Road names to untangle, and a
 river to unplait.  I do hope it stays done this time :)

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[OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver

2008-05-29 Thread Theun

Hallo,

Ik zie dat de friese tileserver nu alleen noch de namen rendert die als *
name:fy* in de database staan, dit was eerst anders.
- Dit heeft nu tot gevolg dat alle namen die officiëel als fries en dus vaak
in de *name* tag staan niet meer zichtbaar zijn. Ik heb in zulk soort
gevallen ook wel een tag *name:nl *toegevoegd met de nederlandse naam, leek
mij een consequente benaderingswijze.
- Ook zijn er een aantal plaatsen waarbij de oorspronkelijke naam nooit is
vernederlandst en waarvan de naam in het fries en nederlands precies
hetzelfde is.
- Verder zijn er heel veel straten die friestalige namen hebben.

Het lijkt mij dus beter dat de tileserver als er geen aparte name:fy tag is
de normale *name* tag laat zien (zoals het volgens mij lange tijd geweest
is).

Groeten Theun,
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver

2008-05-29 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Theun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ik zie dat de friese tileserver nu alleen noch de namen rendert die als
 name:fy in de database staan, dit was eerst anders.

Sorry, onbedoelde bijwerking van de recente osm2pgsql upgrade. Bedankt
voor de melding... over een dag of twee zal alles weer opnieuw
gerendert zijn.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver

2008-05-29 Thread Cartinus

On Thursday 29 May 2008 20:40:01 Theun wrote:
 Mogelijkheden volgens mij:
 - bug gefixt krijgen in Mapnik, ik neem tenminste aan dat een naam van een
 polygoon in elk geval binnen de grenzen van het polygoon getoond moet
 worden.
 - kanalen en vaarten onderverdelen in kleinere polygonen zonder grote
 bochten waardoor je grotere kans hebt dat de naam binnen het polygoon valt.

- De naam weghalen bij het polygoon en een stroomlijn met naam toevoegen zoals 
in het voorstel voor het taggen van brede rivieren.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver

2008-05-29 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Theun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nog een opmerking over het renderen van de waternamen. Doordat de wateren
 vanuit de AND import polygonen zijn, ook alle kanalen en vaarten, komt de
 naam van een kanaal bij een wat bochtige tracé vaak heel ver van het water
 op de kaart terecht (tenminste bij Mapnik, osmarenderer neemt ze volgens mij
 niet mee).
 Moeten we hier wat aan doen?

Zou heel goed kunnen dat hier een bug zit, heb je een voorbeeld?

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver

2008-05-29 Thread Cartinus

On Thursday 29 May 2008 23:34:31 Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
 heb je een voorbeeld?

http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=16lat=52.07218lon=5.10864layers=B00F

Merwedekanaal is dus niet de naam van dat bedrijventerrein, maar van het 
kanaal dat er langs loopt.

Ik denk niet zozeer dat dit een bug is, maar meer dat er gewoonweg niets 
speciaals is gemaakt voor polygonen met een afwijkende vorm.

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Re: [Talk-de] Gute Relations-Erklärung

2008-05-29 Thread Ulrich Atzrott

Hallo!

Auch mit wenig Erfahrung sehe ich dies genauso.

Gruß
  Ulrich

2008/5/29 Bernd Wurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hallo.

 Am Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Christoph Eckert:
  ich hatte sowas schonmal gebaut:
  http://christeck.de/stuff/routenrelation.png
  Wird auch gerendert, falls das von Bedeutung ist ;-) :
  http://tinyurl.com/4nlj8d

 Ich würde auch gerne hier ein paar Rad-Routen erfassen. allerdings bevor
 ich
 das anfange nochmal eine Frage nach der Vorgehensweise...

 Also wenn ich ein Rad-Route nach folgendem Schema habe:

   + Rad-Route
  /
Straße +-+-- Straße
  /
  Rad-Route --+


 Dann muss die Straße in 3 Teile zerlegt werden, damit nur der mittlere Teil
 in
 die Relation aufgenommen werden kann, oder?

 Ist das noch so?

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Re: [Talk-de] Gute Relations-Erklärung

2008-05-29 Thread Raphael Studer

 Ich würde auch gerne hier ein paar Rad-Routen erfassen. allerdings bevor ich
 das anfange nochmal eine Frage nach der Vorgehensweise...

 Also wenn ich ein Rad-Route nach folgendem Schema habe:

   + Rad-Route
  /
Straße +-+-- Straße
  /
  Rad-Route --+


 Dann muss die Straße in 3 Teile zerlegt werden, damit nur der mittlere Teil in
 die Relation aufgenommen werden kann, oder?

Jep das ist so.

Grüsse
Rapahel

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[Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08

2008-05-29 Thread Carsten Schwede

Hallo,

die neuen Daten liegen an bekannter Stelle wieder zum Download bereit. 
Das gmapsupp.img ist mit qlandkarte zusammengefügt und sollte daher 
direkt in Ordnung sein.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Computerteddy

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Re: [Talk-de] Plätze in Mapnik

Zitat von Raimond Spekking [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 die letzte Aktualisierung der Mapnik-Karte (vermutlich gestern/heute  
  Nacht) hat das Rendern von Plätzen ziemlich verändert. Siehe z.B.  
 in  Köln den Roncalliplatz / Alter Markt  usw usf:   
 http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=50.940465161754325lon=6.958747164151058zoom=17layers=F0B0F

 Bisher waren Plätze in Mapnik nur durch ihre Außenkanten   
 gezeichnet, nun fehlen sie komplett. Oder werden sie nur als Fläche   
 gerendert, aber in derselben Farbe wie der Hintergrund?

Bei div. Karlsruher Plätzen mit highway=pedestrian und area=yes
und geschlossenem way vermisse ich schon länger eine Flächenfarbe...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.00921lon=8.395066zoom=18layers=B00FF
Stephan- und Ludwigsplatz.
Ich weiß nicht, ob mein Laptop-Display trügt, aber ich meine,
pedestrian-Farbe der so getaggten Straßen und landuse=residential
wären ganz oder nahezu gleich. Dann kann sich ein highway=pedestrian-Platz
ohne Randlinie nicht vom Hintergrund abheben...

Hat jemand zufällig einen higway=footway-Platz zum Vergleich vorrätig? :-)

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Re: [Talk-de] osm-Karten offline nutzen

2008-05-29 Thread Sven Geggus

Holger Issle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Was natürlich auch funktioniert ist GIS-Software! Du könntest die Shapefiles
 von der Geofabrik (http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe.shp.zip) in QGIS
 (http://www.qgis.org) reinladen
 
 Zeigt das geotagged images an? Läuft das unter Windows offline?

QGIS ist ein _GIS_ wie der Name schon sagt und das Anzeigen
georeferenzierter Images ist eine der Basisfunktionen von GIS Software!

Und ja, das läuft natürlich auch unter Windows, sonst hätte ich das wohl
kaum vorgeschlagen. Denn ja, ich habe den thread vor dem posten gelesen!

Dass QLandkarte nicht unter Windows läuft war mir nicht so klar, ich dachte
mir naiv QT = portabel, klar läuft das auch auf Windows.

Sven

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Re: [Talk-de] Plätze in Mapnik

Zitat von Bernd Wurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Heiko Jacobs:
 Hat jemand zufällig einen higway=footway-Platz zum Vergleich vorrätig? :-)

 Das nicht, aber einen mit highway=residential.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=48.979837mlon=9.579198zoom=18layers=B00FT

Ahja... Damit wäre wohl die Theorie widerlegt, mapnik würde überhaupt
eine Flächenfarbe für highway=...-areas erzeugen...?!

Gruß Mueck




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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenansicht mit allen Briefkästen/ Telefonzellen in meiner Umgebung generieren?

2008-05-29 Thread Guenther Meyer

Am Mittwoch 28 Mai 2008 schrieb Jens Herrmann:
 Hallo,
 angenommen ich möchte mir eine Übersicht aller Briefkästen/Telefonzellen
 meines Stadtteils ansehen, wie würde ich dazu vorgehen müssen? Derzeit
 werden Elemente wie Briefkästen nur in der vorletzten Zoomstufe
 angezeigt, ich möchte jedoch einen größeren Bereich als ein paar 100m
 abbilden. Der Übersicht halber möchte ich gleichzeitig auf die meisten
 anderen Elemente verzichten, also nur Straßennetz und Briefkästen haben.
 Wie stellt man das an?

du koenntest dir auch die svn-version von gpsdrive mit mapnik-support 
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Re: [Talk-de] Plätze in Mapnik

2008-05-29 Thread Bernd Wurst

Hallo.

Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Heiko Jacobs:
 Hat jemand zufällig einen higway=footway-Platz zum Vergleich vorrätig? :-)

Das nicht, aber einen mit highway=residential.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=48.979837mlon=9.579198zoom=18layers=B00FT

Der Name (Marktplatz) kommt aus der Area, der wird gerendert. Links drüber, 
der Ferdinand-Nägele-Platz ist ebenfalls ein (wie ich grade sehe falsch 
getaggter) highway=residential-Platz, auch da nur der Name, keinerlei Fläche.

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[Talk-de] Historie algemein, war: Re: Behandlung von historischen Stadtmauern?

Zitat von TopSpotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Was wird mit den Teilen, die irgendwelchen
 Abrissgelüsten zum Opfer gefallen sind? Es liese sich dann ja kein   
 Area bilden, wenn es kein geschlossenes Polygon ergibt.

Ich würde sagen, das ist nur dann ein Problem, wenn man eine
eher abstrakte Flächeneigenschaft (historischer Ortskern) unbedingt
mit real (oder eben real nicht mehr) existierenden Bauwerken
zwangsverheiraten will...

Also existierende Stadtmauer als normales Bauwerk adäquat taggen.
Mauerreste.. hmm... Mag jetzt nicht De:Map_features etc. studieren...
Und ein Polygon für alter Ortskern drumrum... Hmmm... Irgendwie getaggt...


Da fällt mir so spontan ein:
Ein ganz neues Projekt wäre es, Stadtentwicklung zu dokumentieren
oder noch allgemeiner historische Entwicklung von allem dokumentieren.

railway=rail history:build=1910 history:disused=1966
highway=primary history:track=1512 history:secondary=1877 history:primary=1966
landuse=residential history:build=1877
landuse=residential history:build=2005 history:industrial=1877
landuse=residential history:build=1977 history:wood=-
... oder so ähnlich, mal auf die Schnelle laut gedacht.
Und dann ein Renderer, wo man 1902 eingibt und man bekommt
den Stadtplan von 1902... *träum* ;-)

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Re: [Talk-de] Historie algemein, war: Re: Behandlung von historischen Stadtmauern?

Am 29. Mai 2008 12:40 schrieb Heiko Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Zitat von TopSpotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Was wird mit den Teilen, die irgendwelchen
 Abrissgelüsten zum Opfer gefallen sind? Es liese sich dann ja kein
 Area bilden, wenn es kein geschlossenes Polygon ergibt.

 Ich würde sagen, das ist nur dann ein Problem, wenn man eine
 eher abstrakte Flächeneigenschaft (historischer Ortskern) unbedingt
 mit real (oder eben real nicht mehr) existierenden Bauwerken
 zwangsverheiraten will...

 Also existierende Stadtmauer als normales Bauwerk adäquat taggen.
 Mauerreste.. hmm... Mag jetzt nicht De:Map_features etc. studieren...
 Und ein Polygon für alter Ortskern drumrum... Hmmm... Irgendwie getaggt...


 Da fällt mir so spontan ein:
 Ein ganz neues Projekt wäre es, Stadtentwicklung zu dokumentieren
 oder noch allgemeiner historische Entwicklung von allem dokumentieren.

 railway=rail history:build=1910 history:disused=1966
 highway=primary history:track=1512 history:secondary=1877 history:primary=1966
 landuse=residential history:build=1877
 landuse=residential history:build=2005 history:industrial=1877
 landuse=residential history:build=1977 history:wood=-
 ... oder so ähnlich, mal auf die Schnelle laut gedacht.
 Und dann ein Renderer, wo man 1902 eingibt und man bekommt
 den Stadtplan von 1902... *träum* ;-)

 Gruß Mueck

o weia, wenn das kommt dann wohl dem, der in Karlsruhe mappt ;-)

Spass beiseite, es gibt ein Proposal für Stadtmauern,
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/City_wall
da fehlen m.E. halt noch Tore, aber ansonsten würde ich es schon
begrüßen, wenn das kommt und auch gerendert wird (Stadtmauern sind
nämlich ziemlich prägnant zur Orientierung und zeigen auch schön eine
Entwicklung (welche Gebiete sind historisch innerhalb der Mauern und
haben dementsprechend eine antike/mittelalterliche Struktur, was liegt
ausserhalb und ist daher neueren Datums).

Martin
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Re: [Talk-de] Plätze in Mapnik

mapnik arbeitet schon seit einiger Zeit daran, die Plätze auch zu
rendern, und seit 2 Tagen erkennt er jetzt auch highways, die als
areas getaggt sind, allerdings fehlt momentan noch eine Renderregel,
daher sind die Plätze derzeit in Mapnik verschwunden. (Diese Infos
habe ich auch dem IRC von gestern). Es ist aber wohl jemand dran, der
sich dem Thema annimmt.

Gruß Martin
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[Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt

wer es noch nicht kennt:
http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/05/26/il_disegno_piu_grande_del_mondo_grazie_a_dhl_e_ad_un_gps.html

Werbung des Künstlers Erik Nordenankr für DHL. Er hat ein GPS
transportieren lassen.

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Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt

sorry, ist nur ein Projekt:
http://biggestdrawingintheworld.com/drawing.aspx

Am 29. Mai 2008 14:05 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 wer es noch nicht kennt:
 http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/05/26/il_disegno_piu_grande_del_mondo_grazie_a_dhl_e_ad_un_gps.html

 Werbung des Künstlers Erik Nordenankr für DHL. Er hat ein GPS
 transportieren lassen.

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Re: [Talk-de] Mischgebiete

2008-05-29 Thread Fabian -Patzi- Patzke


Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb:

das steht zwar so in den features, an anderer Stelle steht aber
amenity=bank und atm=yes und hier wurde schon öfters diskutiert, dass
dies auch in den Mapfeatures durchgängig so geändert werden sollte.
Wer da Zugang hat, kann es ja bei Gelegenheit mal machen.

hab das mal so angepasst.
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Re: [Talk-de] Historie allgemein, war: Re: Behandlung von historischen Stadtmauern?

Zitat von Martin Koppenhoefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 o weia, wenn das kommt dann wohl dem, der in Karlsruhe mappt ;-)

Ach, ist ja noch übersichtlich, weil erst 1715 gegründet :-)
Meine alte Heimat ist mit 1827 noch übersichtlicher... ;-)

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Re: [Talk-de] Mischgebiete


 hab das mal so angepasst.
 grüße,
 fabian

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Re: [Talk-de] Mischgebiete

evtl. könnte man hier rechts noch eine useful combination ergänzen:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity%3Dbank
neben atm=yes wäre ja auch
bic=[Bank Identifier Code]
eine useful combination.

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Re: [Talk-de] Historie allgemein, war: Re: Behandlung von historischen Stadtmauern?

Am 29. Mai 2008 14:12 schrieb Heiko Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Zitat von Martin Koppenhoefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 o weia, wenn das kommt dann wohl dem, der in Karlsruhe mappt ;-)

 Ach, ist ja noch übersichtlich, weil erst 1715 gegründet :-)
 Meine alte Heimat ist mit 1827 noch übersichtlicher... ;-)

 Gruß Mueck

genau, wenn man aber 2700 Jahre Geschichte in OSM nachbilden will,
dann sind das mindestens mehrere Doktorarbeiten...

Gruß Martin
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Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt

2008-05-29 Thread Daniel Schmidt


Am 29.05.2008 um 14:05 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:

 wer es noch nicht kennt:
 http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/05/26/ 
 il_disegno_piu_grande_del_mondo_grazie_a_dhl_e_ad_un_gps.html

 Werbung des Künstlers Erik Nordenankr für DHL. Er hat ein GPS
 transportieren lassen.



Hat er nicht! Das hat er inzwischen auch selbst eingestanden. Weiter  
als bis aufs DHL-Gelände ist er nicht gekommen. Flugpläne und  
Empfangsbestätigungen waren gefälscht.

Aber auch so war es recht offensichtlich:
* GPS-Empfang mit einem GPS-Gerät in einem Koffer in einem Container  
in einem Flugzeug?
* Reisezeit war angeblich 55 Tage - welcher GPS-Tracker macht das mit?
* Fliegt DHL wirklich riesige Schleifen über dem Ozean? (Zeit, Sprit,  
etc...)

Gruß,
Wabba
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Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08

2008-05-29 Thread Sebastian Holler

Hallo Carsten,

als begeisterter User Deiner wöchentlichen Karten für die Garmins 
möchte ich natürlich zuerst einen großen Dank loswerden. Tolle Arbeit!


Jetzt aber doch noch eine Frage/Bitte:

Erst seit kurzer Zeit gibt es auf openstreetmap.org einen neuen Layer 
namens Cycle Map.

Da ich jetzt einfach mal davon ausgehe, dass sich das OSM-Projekt 
ausschließlich freier Geodaten bedient, die dieser Karte 
zugrundeliegenden Originaldaten also irgendwo frei zugänglich sein 
müssten, so fände ich es doch genial, wenn man die dort enthaltenen 
Höhenlinien auch in die Garmin-Karte einbauen könnte - im Idealfall als 
separat ein- bzw. ausschaltbarer Layer.

Da ich im Gebirge wohne, wäre die zusätzliche Visualisierung von 
Geländedaten wirklich ein *sehr* brauchbares Feature.

Nun weiß ich natürlich nicht, wie aufwändig mein Vorschlag in der 
Umsetzung ist (da sich die Höhenlinien jedoch kaum wöchentlich 
signifikant ändern werden, wäre das u.U. ein einmaliger Arbeitsaufwand), 
bin aber überzeugt davon, dass ich nicht der Einzige wäre, der sich 
diese Erweiterung wünschen würde.

Viele Grüße,
Sebastian H.



Carsten Schwede schrieb:
 Hallo,
 
 die neuen Daten liegen an bekannter Stelle wieder zum Download bereit. 
 Das gmapsupp.img ist mit qlandkarte zusammengefügt und sollte daher 
 direkt in Ordnung sein.
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Computerteddy
 


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Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt

2008-05-29 Thread Simon Kokolakis

Hallo Martin,

 wer es noch nicht kennt:
 http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/05/26/il_disegno_piu_grande_del_mondo_grazie_a_dhl_e_ad_un_gps.html

 Werbung des Künstlers Erik Nordenankr für DHL. Er hat ein GPS
 transportieren lassen.
   

Toll.
1. Fake
2. Was hat das mit OSM zu tun?

Beste Grüße
Simon Kokolakis

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Re: [Talk-de] osm-Karten offline nutzen

2008-05-29 Thread Holger Issle

On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:56:19 + (UTC), Sven Geggus wrote:

 QGIS ist ein _GIS_ wie der Name schon sagt und das Anzeigen
 georeferenzierter Images ist eine der Basisfunktionen von GIS Software!

Mancher solcher ja, aber eben nicht aller.

 Dass QLandkarte nicht unter Windows läuft war mir nicht so klar, ich dachte
 mir naiv QT = portabel, klar läuft das auch auf Windows.

Tja, wie ich gelernt habe tut es das mittlerweile.
-- 

Ciao,
Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51)

90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm
95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 69 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!)

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Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt

2008-05-29 Thread Holger Issle

On Thu, 29 May 2008 15:16:45 +0200, Daniel Schmidt wrote:

 Aber auch so war es recht offensichtlich:
 * GPS-Empfang mit einem GPS-Gerät in einem Koffer in einem Container
 in einem Flugzeug?

Der Plastekoffer sollte nix ausmachen, und für so ein Projekt würde
man das an eine Position mit Empfang legen.

 * Reisezeit war angeblich 55 Tage - welcher GPS-Tracker macht das mit?

Mit genug Batterie? Meine iTrackU läuft auf 1000mAh ca. 18h, ergo mit
ca. 75Ah machbar. Das wäre noch drin.

 * Fliegt DHL wirklich riesige Schleifen über dem Ozean? (Zeit, Sprit,
 etc...)

Wenn Du das bezahlst, warum nicht ;) Allerdings scheint es mehr als
unwahrscheinlich, daß das man das über Russland erlaubt bekommt.
-- 

Ciao,
Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51)

90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm
95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 69 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!)

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[Talk-de] POI und Track mit QLandkarte und JOSM

2008-05-29 Thread Christian Hartnick

Hallo,

ich habe gerade wie gewohnt meine POIs uns Tracks vom Garmin HCx per 
Qlandkarte als GPX-Datei gespeichert und wollte sie in JOSM laden, um 
dann zu mappen. Im Gegesatz zu vorher erschienen alle Punkte aber nur 
oben links in JOSM. Nach einigen probieren habe ich herausgefunden, dass 
QLandkarte (bei mir) seit neusten die Lon/Lat nicht mehr mit Punkt 
sondern mit Komma schreibt:
Alt:  wpt lon=9.070932324975729 lat=49.97072079218924 
Neu: wpt lon=9,070932324975729 lat=49,97072079218924 

JOSM scheint das nicht zu mögen. Hat noch jemand diesen Fehler? Gibt's 
'ne einfache Abhilfe?

Danke

Christian

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Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08

2008-05-29 Thread Carsten Schwede

Hi,

Sebastian Holler schrieb:
 zugrundeliegenden Originaldaten also irgendwo frei zugänglich sein 
 müssten, so fände ich es doch genial, wenn man die dort enthaltenen 

Das sind meines Wissens die SRTM-Daten. Die sind auch frei verwendbar 
(public Domain?)

 Höhenlinien auch in die Garmin-Karte einbauen könnte - im Idealfall als 
 separat ein- bzw. ausschaltbarer Layer.

Innerhalb der Karten kann man doch nichts aus und einschalten? Falls 
sich die Karten transparent stapeln lassen im GPS-Gerät, dann ginge das 
zu machen.

 Nun weiß ich natürlich nicht, wie aufwändig mein Vorschlag in der 
 Umsetzung ist (da sich die Höhenlinien jedoch kaum wöchentlich 

Ich habe bisher noch nichts gefunden womit sich das automatisieren 
liesse, das ist für meine Kartenproduktion die Grundlage. Ich kenne nur 
den Weg in z.B. mapedit die Daten manuell einzufügen.

 signifikant ändern werden, wäre das u.U. ein einmaliger Arbeitsaufwand), 
 bin aber überzeugt davon, dass ich nicht der Einzige wäre, der sich 
 diese Erweiterung wünschen würde.

prinzipiell ja. Ich fühle mich aber so nicht in der Lage das zu machen 
(wegen der fehlenden Automatisierung)

-- 
Viele Gruesse
Computerteddy

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[Talk-de] Konflikt in JOSM

2008-05-29 Thread Bernd Wurst

Hallo.

Ich wollte grade bei unseren mehrfach gesplitteten Wäldern etwas ausmisten.

Da ich gemerkt habe, dass ich einen relevanten Teil nicht beim ersten Download 
erwischt hatte, habe ich also nochmals einen anderen Ausschnitt 
heruntergeladen.

Dabei hat sich erwartungsgemäß ein Konflikt ergeben, da ich ja viele Objekte 
schon verändert habe.

Den Konflikt kann ich mit dem JOSM-Konflikt-Manager lösen.
Aber JOSM weigert sich beharrlich, jetzt etwas hochzuladen. Ich bekomme 
immer Es gibt ungelöste Konflikte, die zuerst bearbeitet werden müssen. 
Aber das Konflikt-Fenster ist leer.

Jemand ne Idee? Ist die gemachte Arbeit verloren? :(

Gruß, Bernd

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Re: [Talk-de] POI und Track mit QLandkarte und JOSM

2008-05-29 Thread Christian Hartnick

Christian Hartnick schrieb:
 Hallo,

 ich habe gerade wie gewohnt meine POIs uns Tracks vom Garmin HCx per 
 Qlandkarte als GPX-Datei gespeichert und wollte sie in JOSM laden, um 
 dann zu mappen. Im Gegesatz zu vorher erschienen alle Punkte aber nur 
 oben links in JOSM. Nach einigen probieren habe ich herausgefunden, dass 
 QLandkarte (bei mir) seit neusten die Lon/Lat nicht mehr mit Punkt 
 sondern mit Komma schreibt:
 Alt:  wpt lon=9.070932324975729 lat=49.97072079218924 
 Neu: wpt lon=9,070932324975729 lat=49,97072079218924 

 JOSM scheint das nicht zu mögen. Hat noch jemand diesen Fehler? Gibt's 
 'ne einfache Abhilfe?
   
Hab grade selber 'ne Lösung gefunden. Aufruf von Qlandkarte mit:
LANG=en_US.UTF-8 qlandkarte
 Danke

 Christian

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Re: [Talk-de] Konflikt in JOSM

2008-05-29 Thread Raphael Studer

 Den Konflikt kann ich mit dem JOSM-Konflikt-Manager lösen.
 Aber JOSM weigert sich beharrlich, jetzt etwas hochzuladen. Ich bekomme
 immer Es gibt ungelöste Konflikte, die zuerst bearbeitet werden müssen.
 Aber das Konflikt-Fenster ist leer.

 Jemand ne Idee? Ist die gemachte Arbeit verloren? :(

Hast du mal versucht die Daten zu speichern und dann von dort nochmals
zu Importieren?
Solch komische Effekte hatte ich auch mal. Allerdings hat sich das
Problem von selbst gelöst indem der Strom ausfiel.

Grüsse
Raphael

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Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08

2008-05-29 Thread Raphael Studer

 Nun weiß ich natürlich nicht, wie aufwändig mein Vorschlag in der
 Umsetzung ist (da sich die Höhenlinien jedoch kaum wöchentlich

 Ich habe bisher noch nichts gefunden womit sich das automatisieren
 liesse, das ist für meine Kartenproduktion die Grundlage. Ich kenne nur
 den Weg in z.B. mapedit die Daten manuell einzufügen.

Ist nicht ein Google Summer of Code (GSoC) Projekt dabei die Daten
brauchbar auf zu bereiten damit man bei den Fahrradrouten auch noch
höhenangaben hat? Wenn die Daten für dieses Projekt übernommen werden
können, dann geht dass anschliessend sicher auf für den rest der
Nodes.
Ich gehe jedoch davon aus, dass die beiden Datenbestände getrennt
bleiben. Macht meines Erachtens auch Sin.

Grüsse
Raphael

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Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08

2008-05-29 Thread Martin Simon

Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2008 16:21:10 schrieb Raphael Studer:
  Nun weiß ich natürlich nicht, wie aufwändig mein Vorschlag in der
  Umsetzung ist (da sich die Höhenlinien jedoch kaum wöchentlich
 
  Ich habe bisher noch nichts gefunden womit sich das automatisieren
  liesse, das ist für meine Kartenproduktion die Grundlage. Ich kenne nur
  den Weg in z.B. mapedit die Daten manuell einzufügen.

Ich ziehe mir immer von http://topomaps.dyndns.org/ tagesaktuelle 
Garmin-Karten mit Höhenlinien für gpsVP.

 Ist nicht ein Google Summer of Code (GSoC) Projekt dabei die Daten
 brauchbar auf zu bereiten damit man bei den Fahrradrouten auch noch
 höhenangaben hat? Wenn die Daten für dieses Projekt übernommen werden
 können, dann geht dass anschliessend sicher auf für den rest der
 Nodes.
 Ich gehe jedoch davon aus, dass die beiden Datenbestände getrennt
 bleiben. Macht meines Erachtens auch Sin.

 Grüsse
 Raphael

Unbedingt. 

Trotzdem sollten wir für Fälle wie Dämme, Einschnitte (Straßen, Bahnlinien) 
und Brücken eine Möglichkeit haben, die Höhe per Node manuell anzugeben, da 
diese Objekte in SRTM (Auflösung 3 Bogensekunden) sicher nicht erfasst sind.

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Re: [Talk-de] Talk-de Digest, Vol 22, Issue 177

2008-05-29 Thread Annette Thurow

 
 Message: 1
 Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:37:43 +0200
 From: Sven Gr?ner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Talk-de] L?SUNGS Vorschlag - D?rfer fl?chenm??ig taggen
 To: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org
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[..]

 Magst du deine Gemeinden in meine Welt-Struktur irgendwie einh?ngen*:
 http://osm.schunterscouts.de/relation-browser.php
 
 Gr??e, Sven
 
 * Ob daraus wohl ein guter Anmach-Spruch entstehen k?nnte ;-)
 

Hi Sven, hi Liste, 

bisher bin ich die einzige Mappse, die ich kenne... 
Gibt es hier noch andere Frauen?
(Ich mach mal ne Kategorie auf...)

Lulu-Ann
-- 
Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört?
Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger

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Re: [Talk-de] Talk-de Digest, Vol 22, Issue 177

2008-05-29 Thread Frank Gruender

Annette Thurow schrieb:
 Message: 1
 Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:37:43 +0200
 From: Sven Gr?ner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Talk-de] L?SUNGS Vorschlag - D?rfer fl?chenm??ig taggen
 To: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 [..]
 
 Magst du deine Gemeinden in meine Welt-Struktur irgendwie einh?ngen*:
 http://osm.schunterscouts.de/relation-browser.php

 Gr??e, Sven

 * Ob daraus wohl ein guter Anmach-Spruch entstehen k?nnte ;-)
  
 
 Hi Sven, hi Liste, 
 
 bisher bin ich die einzige Mappse, die ich kenne... 
 Gibt es hier noch andere Frauen?
 (Ich mach mal ne Kategorie auf...)
 
 Lulu-Ann

Ich denke nicht, am OSM-Stand auf dem Linuxtag ist eine weitere Mapse
vertreten :)

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_at_Linuxtag_2008

Gruss, Elwood


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Re: [Talk-de] Tilesathome - Upload

2008-05-29 Thread Marc Schütz

Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2008 17:27 schrieb Frank Gruender:
 Moin,

 ich weiss garnicht, warum ich [EMAIL PROTECTED] überhaupt noch laufen lasse.
 Stundenlang bekomme ich keinen freien Slot zum Uploaden und die Daten
 sind quasi schon veraltet, bevor sie hochgeladen sind.

 Aber ein Blick auf http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Credits/ sagt mir, ein
 paar Rechner laden locker - ich sag mal - alle 30 Sekunden Daten hoch.

 Kann es sein, die Max-Sleeping-Zeit bei diesen Kisten manipuliert ist?
 Hab meinen mal testweise runtergesetzt und hänge nicht mehr ewig im
 Queue. Hat jemand gleiche Erfahrung gemacht?


Einige Leute betreiben ganze Renderfarmen. Die maximale Wartezeit ist ja 
600sec = 10min; bei zwanzig Maschinen bedeutet das 1 Versuch alle 30 
Sekunden. Kann also durchaus hinkommen...

 Grüsse, Elwood


Grüße, Marc


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Re: [Talk-de] Talk-de Digest, Vol 22, Issue 177

2008-05-29 Thread Christian Hartnick

Annette Thurow schrieb:
 bisher bin ich die einzige Mappse, die ich kenne... 
 Gibt es hier noch andere Frauen?
 (Ich mach mal ne Kategorie auf...)

 Lulu-Ann
   

Meine Frau Elma ist auch begeisterte Mappse.

Gruß

Christian

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Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08

2008-05-29 Thread Holger Issle

Hi,

On Thu, 29 May 2008 16:51:40 +0200, Martin Simon wrote:

 Ich ziehe mir immer von http://topomaps.dyndns.org/ tagesaktuelle
 Garmin-Karten mit Höhenlinien für gpsVP.

Sinnvoll wäre da einmal die Höhenlinien als transparente Karte zu
erzeugen, und die dann im GPS über den normalen Karten anzuzeigen.
Dann kann man die Linien auch an- und abschalten. Gehen tut das...
aber fragt bitte nicht wie das zu tun ist.
-- 

Ciao,
Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51)

90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm
95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 69 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!)

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Re: [Talk-de] Tilesathome - Upload

2008-05-29 Thread Till Maas

On Thu May 29 2008, Frank Gruender wrote:

 Aber ein Blick auf http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Credits/ sagt mir, ein
 paar Rechner laden locker - ich sag mal - alle 30 Sekunden Daten hoch.

Es kann ja auch sein, dass hinter einem Nicknamen auch mehrere Rechner hängen, 
die haben dann natürlich auch mehr Chancen sich zu einem Upload zu 
entscheiden.

 Kann es sein, die Max-Sleeping-Zeit bei diesen Kisten manipuliert ist?
 Hab meinen mal testweise runtergesetzt und hänge nicht mehr ewig im
 Queue. Hat jemand gleiche Erfahrung gemacht?

Die ganze Slot-Verwaltung erfolgt afaik Client-seitig, da kann also beliebig 
manipuliert sein. Wobei die Lösung aber eher wäre den Server schneller zu 
machen, so dass mehr hochgeladen werden kann.

Grüße,
Till


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Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Presets Sport

2008-05-29 Thread Christoph Eckert

Moin,

 ah OK, sorry, ich war auf Sport und dann die Sportart gegangen und
 konnte nur den Namen eingeben. Evtl. könnte man das so machen, dass
 man analog zu highways ein Menu Sport hat, dort kann man Stadion,
 Platz, etc. auswählen (analog residential, pedestrian) und dann neben
 der Namenseingabe  die Sportart aus einem pulldown auswählen. Würde
 ich logischer finden, vor allem macht man dann alles in einem Rutsch.
 Oder in den jetzigen Sportpresets (unter Sport, nicht unter leisure)
 ein Pulldown ergänzen für stadion, pitch, etc. (am Besten mit pitch
 voreingestellt, kommt ein bisschen öfter vor als das Stadion).

ich kann noch immer nicht so ganz folgen. Sieht das ganze so aus wie in der 
Abbildung unten[1] oder verwendest Du evtl. eine ältere Version?

Gruß,

ce

[1] http://christeck.de/stuff/schbocht.png

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Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt

 Wie heisst der Typ richtig? Bei Erik Nordenankr findet sich diese 
 Geschichte nur auf Italienisch, bei Erik Nordenank nur auf Französisch.


erik nordenankar; hatte ja oben schon sein Statement gepostet, das hat
er auch mit seinem Namen unterschrieben.

Martin

 sorry, ist nur ein Projekt:
 http://biggestdrawingintheworld.com/drawing.aspx
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Re: [Talk-de] PGP/GPG

2008-05-29 Thread André Reichelt


Michael Bemmerl schrieb:
Extras  Konten  /Konto auswählen/  OpenPGP-Sicherheit  X Immer 
PGP/MIME verwenden


So, das sollte jetzt funktionieren. Gibt es eigentlich auch eine 
Möglichkeit, den Passpharse zu speichern, damit ich den nicht jedes mal 
frisch eingeben muss? An den Rechner hierkommt eh niemand anderes ran.






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Re: [Talk-de] POI und Track mit QLandkarte und JOSM

2008-05-29 Thread Christoph Eckert

Moin,

 Hab grade selber 'ne Lösung gefunden. Aufruf von Qlandkarte mit:
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 qlandkarte

ist aber IMO dennoch ein Bug: Qlandkarte ist an dieser Stelle nicht 
Locale-save. Könntest Du dazu einen Bugreport einreichen?

Gruß nach AB,

ce


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Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Presets Sport