date:20110103

I've just had my attention drawn to these lines in the minutes from 11-12 Dec:

The Board unanimously agrees that it is time to move forward after
several years of work on the new license.
...
The OSMF board mandates the LWG to enforce mandatory acceptance of the
CT and ODBL in order to edit the database by March 31st.

My first question is: which version of the CT is referred to there?
Does this mean the totally broken v1.0, the partially broken proposed
v1.2.2, or some hopefully non-broken v1.3?

If the answer to the previous is some hopefully non-broken v1.3,
what if it is not ready in time for April?

I'm extremely concerned about the potential loss of all
Nearmap-derived data for Australia: both because it represents a lot
of high quality mapping, and personally because of the hundreds of
hours of my own effort that will be completely wasted. And seemingly
there is not an irreconcilable difference here, but simply that
Nearmap and the LWG have not had the time or resources to find a
wording that is suitable to both parties.

Have I misunderstood the situation, or is that pretty much the size of
it: on April 1st, all Nearmap-derived data (and presumably data from
certain other providers who also use a strict CC-BY-SA licence) will
be wiped?

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[OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

Hello, in this 
page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says 
Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has 
expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it 
says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for 
commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided 
that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be 
used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar


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Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

2011-01-03 Thread Ciprian Talaba

Hi Oscar,

I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA
website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them
an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and
was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you
want to be sure.

--Ciprian

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello, in this page
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says
 Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency
 has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it
 says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for
 commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided
 that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now
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Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

Hello, Ciprian. Is it not strange that each OSM community has to explicitly ask 
EEA about it? we're are talking about _one_ database (OSM) and _one_ dataset 
(CLC)? The confirmation you received was limited to the Romanian data? The CLC 
dataset is not homogeneous in terms of license then? --Oscar 

--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:32 AM

Hi Oscar,
I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA 
website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them an 
email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and was 
delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you want to 
be sure.

--Ciprian

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello, in this 
page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says 
Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has 
expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it 
says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for 
commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided 
that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be 
used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar

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Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

2011-01-03 Thread Emilie Laffray

Until recently, the data was owned by each state. You had to ask each one of
them to get the data. In addition, CLC 2000 is pretty much useless which was
the only one available for free.
2006 is the one you want to start working with.

Emilie Laffray
On 3 Jan 2011 11:47, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello, Ciprian. Is it not strange that each OSM community has to
explicitly ask EEA about it? we're are talking about _one_ database (OSM)
and _one_ dataset (CLC)? The confirmation you received was limited to the
Romanian data? The CLC dataset is not homogeneous in terms of license then?
--Oscar

 --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
 To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com
 Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:32 AM

 Hi Oscar,
 I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA
website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them
an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and
was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you
want to be sure.

 --Ciprian

 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello, in this page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says
Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency
has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it
says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for
commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided
that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now
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Hello I have just sent an email asking for clarification, will forward their 
response.
Ciprian: ...I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on 
the EEA website at some point...
Where exactly?
--Oscar


--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com
Cc: Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com, talk@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 12:11 PM

Until recently, the data was owned by each state. You had to ask each one of 
them to get the data. In addition, CLC 2000 is pretty much useless which was 
the only one available for free.

2006 is the one you want to start working with.
Emilie Laffray
On 3 Jan 2011 11:47, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello, Ciprian. Is it not strange that each OSM community has to explicitly 
 ask EEA about it? we're are talking about _one_ database (OSM) and _one_ 
 dataset (CLC)? The confirmation you received was limited to the Romanian 
 data? The CLC dataset is not homogeneous in terms of license then? --Oscar 

 
 --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com

 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
 To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com
 Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org

 Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:32 AM
 
 Hi Oscar,
 I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA 
 website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them 
 an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and 
 was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you 
 want to be sure.

 
 --Ciprian
 
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hello, in this 
 page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says 
 Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency 
 has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it 
 says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for 
 commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided 
 that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now 
 be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar

 
 
 
 
 
   
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Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

Hi,

On 3 January 2011 13:53, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello I have just sent an email asking for clarification, will forward their 
 response.
 Ciprian: ...I have found different statements about the license of CLC data 
 on the EEA website at some point...

There have been different statements because the license has been
changing numerous times.  As of February 2010 the seamless CLC2006 shp
is available under the normal EEA terms and users in Spain and in
Poland have considered it OSM-compatible from that point.  (For the
record there's some ongoing work on CLC06 mixed with GMES Urban Atlas
data import for Poland and Spain)

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Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

2011-01-03 Thread Lennard

 Hello, in this
 page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it
 says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the
 Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to
 link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the
 EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of
 charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki
 out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other
 specific areas)? --Oscar

We (OSM contributors) already have a blanket permission to use any data
not specifically restricted on the EEA website.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/European_Environment_Agency

Also see the thread at

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2010-June/000584.html

The caveat here is that the CLC 2006 dataset is not publicly available
through the EEA website.

-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

Andrzej: there's some ongoing work on CLC06 mixed with GMES Urban Atlas data 
import for Poland and Spain
I'm preparing an import of forests (3 shapefiles) and olive groves (1 
shapefile) for Spain. Where can I see that on-going work?

--- On Mon, 1/3/11, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:

From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com
Cc: Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com, talk@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 1:15 PM

Hi,

On 3 January 2011 13:53, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello I have just sent an email asking for clarification, will forward their 
 response.
 Ciprian: ...I have found different statements about the license of CLC data 
 on the EEA website at some point...

There have been different statements because the license has been
changing numerous times.  As of February 2010 the seamless CLC2006 shp
is available under the normal EEA terms and users in Spain and in
Poland have considered it OSM-compatible from that point.  (For the
record there's some ongoing work on CLC06 mixed with GMES Urban Atlas
data import for Poland and Spain)

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On 3 January 2011 14:36, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Andrzej: there's some ongoing work on CLC06 mixed with GMES Urban Atlas data 
 import for Poland and Spain
 I'm preparing an import of forests (3 shapefiles) and olive groves (1 
 shapefile) for Spain. Where can I see that on-going work?

Actually it hasn't advanced much for the last month, but I posted a
link to the WMS showing the polygons that would be imported back in
November 
(http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2010-November/006366.html).
 The WMS is currently down because I decided to re-generate all the
data using a different schema to help in joining of the two datasets,
but later had no time to complete it.  I'll try to revive the WMS
later today.

I have a postgres database filled with all of the CLC06 data for
Europe and GMES Urban Atlas for Spain, if you would like to work on it
I can set up an account for you (Javier Sanchez also has been playing
with that database)

Here are the problems that I'd like to solve before starting an actual import.

 * Some Urban Atlas land classes contain many CLC06 classes (for
example Urban Atlas has a class forest, while CLC06 has separate
classes for mixed forests, coniferous forests etc.), so it would
be best to take the geometry from the Urban Atlas, but the exact
subclass from CLC06.

 * The upload tool needs be intelligent and needs to detect collisions
with existing OSM polygons, and then the colliding polygons need to be
put into a webservice that lets people download .osm files for each
polygon and handle the conflict manually.  It would also be nice if
the uploader tool used the diffs from planet.osm.org to find existing
nodes so that the automatically uploaded polygons re-use nodes instead
of creating duplicates (even if the nodes were created manually).

 * I'd like the WMS to visualise colliding polygons too.

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Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn

Hi Ciprian,

Was this positive response you received, in response to licensing their
data under the previous OSM licence or the proposed new one?  This is
something to be mindful of if requesting permission from EEA, and
continuing to use the data long-term.

The issues with them changing their licence several times after granting
permission to use, is not dissimilar to ongoing discussions here.  It is
important to understand the terms of use of the data that you're using
and recognising they may be different from a statement given some time
in the past on the wiki.

David

On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:32 +0200, Ciprian Talaba wrote:
 Hi Oscar,
 
 
 I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the
 EEA website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to
 send them an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response
 was positive and was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do
 the same thing if you want to be sure.
 
 
 --Ciprian
 
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 Hello, in this
 page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover 
 it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the 
 Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link 
 [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA 
 website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of 
 charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? 
 CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific 
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[OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Coast

I'm curious. So here's a little survey, people like you take a second to
answer it;

 

http://bit.ly/ii3cKg

 

Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open
source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show.

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Dave F.


On 03/01/2011 17:14, Steve Coast wrote:


I'm curious. So here's a little survey, people like you take a second 
to answer it;


http://bit.ly/ii3cKg

Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all 
open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show.




Being curious in return, why are you curious?

Your survey doesn't ask why we chose one over the other so you'd know 
way of knowing if we're open source nuts. I suspect if you ask most 
android users (but probably not users on this forum) whether it was OS, 
they'd say I don't know of even What's open source?


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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread john

I have a BlackBerry Storm 9530, purchased before I learned about OSM.  It works 
OK for mapping, but has some other, annoying quirks, so I plan to replace it 
with an Android phone when my contract runs out.

---Original Email---
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Date  :Mon Jan 03 11:14:39 America/Chicago 2011


I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer 
it;
 
    http://bit.ly/ii3cKg
 
Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all open 
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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Craig Wallace


On 03/01/2011 17:14, Steve Coast wrote:

I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to
answer it;

http://bit.ly/ii3cKg

Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all
open source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show.


Somewhat confusing survey - is it about the make/model of the phone, or 
the operating system it runs?
eg there are many makes of Android or Windows phones. And Nokia make 
some phones that run Symbian, or others that are just simple phones.
And why specifically Windows Phone 7, and not other versions of Windows 
Mobile / Windows CE etc?


FWIW, I currently use a Sony Ericsson K850, so not a smartphone or 
anything. Though it can run Java midlets - I'm using GpsMid for OSM maps.

I am thinking about getting some sort of Android phone.

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Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

2011-01-03 Thread Ciprian Talaba

Hi David,

Our question was related to OSM in general, not speaking about a specific
license. Their current license makes things much easier (at that time -
November 2009 - things were not that clear); EEA standard re-use policy:
unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for
commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided
that the source is acknowledged [1]

--Ciprian

[1] http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/clc-2006-vector-data-version

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:

 Hi Ciprian,

 Was this positive response you received, in response to licensing their
 data under the previous OSM licence or the proposed new one?  This is
 something to be mindful of if requesting permission from EEA, and
 continuing to use the data long-term.

 The issues with them changing their licence several times after granting
 permission to use, is not dissimilar to ongoing discussions here.  It is
 important to understand the terms of use of the data that you're using
 and recognising they may be different from a statement given some time
 in the past on the wiki.

 David

 On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:32 +0200, Ciprian Talaba wrote:
  Hi Oscar,
 
 
  I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the
  EEA website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to
  send them an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response
  was positive and was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do
  the same thing if you want to be sure.
 
 
  --Ciprian
 
  On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  Hello, in this
  page
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says
 Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency
 has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it
 says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for
 commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided
 that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now
 be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Phil! Gold

* Steve Coast st...@asklater.com [2011-01-03 09:14 -0800]:
 I'm curious. So here's a little survey

I have a Palm Pre, so I answered Palm, but I'll not there's a world of
difference between the older PalmOS and their current OS, WebOS.

 Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open
 source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show.

I got the Palm Pre because it's the most open platform I've seen short of
OpenMoko, though I keep considering switching to Android for the greater
variety of apps.

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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Nic Roets

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
 I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to
 answer it;



     http://bit.ly/ii3cKg



 Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all open
 source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show.


When I wrote my mobile app, I chose Windows CE over OpenMoko based on
what devices will be cheaply available a couple of years down the line
without having to rewrite large parts of the code. (It was a bit
tricky to support all the variations of Windows CE, but still quite
successful).

By the same logic, Android will rule amongst hobbyists over the next
few years, while Iphone will make all the money.  You don't need to be
an open source nut to see that.



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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Vincent Meurisse

 Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open
 source nuts or if it's more balanced?
I have an openmoko freerunner because I'm open source nuts. But it's not in 
the list :(

Regards
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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx

On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 05:50:16PM +, Shaun McDonald wrote:
 
  so should we be
  
  1) adding explicit info to ways about town/county
 
 No, that causes huge amounts of duplicate info that is difficult to update.
 
  
  or
  
  2) fixing county  town boundary relations
 
 This is much better. Once the boundary has been fixed, then the point that 
 may be there for the place should be removed too.

Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be
useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Which software are people using on Symbian?

2011-01-03 Thread Ken Guest

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jeremy Stocks jeremyl...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi there,

 +

 I'm a newbie to OSM but and oldie in GIS, and am trying to find a decent
 app for my Nokia 6230 Nuron phone. I currently use Trek Buddy but I wondered
 what others use?


  I'm not sure what version symbian that is, but I'm using WhereAmI (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WhereAmI )  on a nokia 9310i for a while
now with no major problems.


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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst


SteveC wrote:
 Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all 
 open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show.

I have a Samsung B130. It's fantastic. You can make phone calls on it, and
stuff. Actually, no. You can make phone calls on it.

According to a user review on CNet it's proper donky shit which pretty
much sums it up.

http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/essential/SGH-B130CNAXTC/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Which software are people using on Symbian?

2011-01-03 Thread Raphaël Pinson

Hello,

I have a Nokia 5800 XPressMusic (Symbian S60) here.

I use MGMaps (a Java app) to display Mapnik + Osmarender maps, and AFTrack
to make traces (it works great, and exports directly to GPX). I have yet to
find better apps for my phone.


Regards,

Raphaël



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 Hi there,

 +

 I'm a newbie to OSM but and oldie in GIS, and am trying to find a decent
 app for my Nokia 6230 Nuron phone. I currently use Trek Buddy but I wondered
 what others use?


 Jeremy.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Which software are people using on Symbian?

2011-01-03 Thread Raphaël Pinson

And AFTrack displays Mapnick through WMS, too, by the way.


Raphaël



2011/1/3 Raphaël Pinson raph...@gmail.com

 Hello,

 I have a Nokia 5800 XPressMusic (Symbian S60) here.

 I use MGMaps (a Java app) to display Mapnik + Osmarender maps, and AFTrack
 to make traces (it works great, and exports directly to GPX). I have yet to
 find better apps for my phone.


 Regards,

 Raphaël



 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Jeremy Stocks jeremyl...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi there,

 +

 I'm a newbie to OSM but and oldie in GIS, and am trying to find a decent
 app for my Nokia 6230 Nuron phone. I currently use Trek Buddy but I wondered
 what others use?


 Jeremy.



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[OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?

2011-01-03 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence


Is there an Android OS app for osm?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?

2011-01-03 Thread Graham Jones

There are a few:
I use OpenSatNav for a viewer / track logger, but there is another one
called AndNav that looks good too, but I have not used it much.

There is an editor called Vespucci.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?

2011-01-03 Thread Toby Murray

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:14 PM,  nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote:
 Is there an Android OS app for osm?

Several!

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android

I personally have used OsmAnd for navigation. It can also add simple
POIs. Vespucci is a pretty powerful editor but not the easiest to use
and has a relatively big footprint I think. Works fine on my Galaxy S
but I have heard complaints about it being slow or not working on
other phones.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx

On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Toby Murray wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
  Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be
  useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it.
 
 It seems like duplicate information to me. Like mapping a walmart with
 both a building outline tagged as a shop and a point in the middle
 tagged the same way. What do you define as the center of a town? If
 it is just the centroid of the border polygon then this can be
 determined from the boundary. If you mean the central business
 district or town hall, then that should be mapped appropriately with
 landuse and building polygons.

The center is ussually a market place or the church or something
like that.  It's ussually where the oldest building are and the
rest was build around it.  It has nothing to do with the centre
of the admin level boundary, but might be the center of one
of the various landuses.  It's the place where I expect the
name of the place to be on the map.  It's not always a very
specific place, but ussually a rather small area.

The lowest mapped admin level might have several places in it
which each their own name, and the lowest admin level is
one of those.  And it's not always possible to map lower
admin levels.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?

2011-01-03 Thread Kevin Peat

Also check out Oruxmaps that allows you to package osm and other maps for
offline use.

Kevin

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Is there an Android OS app for osm?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-03 Thread Richard Welty


On 1/3/11 6:25 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote:

On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Toby Murray wrote:

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Kurt Roeckxk...@roeckx.be  wrote:

Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be
useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it.

It seems like duplicate information to me. Like mapping a walmart with
both a building outline tagged as a shop and a point in the middle
tagged the same way. What do you define as the center of a town? If
it is just the centroid of the border polygon then this can be
determined from the boundary. If you mean the central business
district or town hall, then that should be mapped appropriately with
landuse and building polygons.

The center is ussually a market place or the church or something
like that.  It's ussually where the oldest building are and the
rest was build around it.  It has nothing to do with the centre
of the admin level boundary, but might be the center of one
of the various landuses.  It's the place where I expect the
name of the place to be on the map.  It's not always a very
specific place, but ussually a rather small area.


it's still duplication. what i'd suggest is perhaps a centroid role
in the boundary relation, which can be a node representing
the mythical center of the bounded area.

what i see a bit right now in the US are places where we have
a central node from one import and a boundary with the same
name from another, and as a result two names showing up.
it's mildly annoying.

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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
 I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to
 answer it;



     http://bit.ly/ii3cKg

Might have generated useful data to have the option I don't have a
smart phone. Seemed to be a bit of an assumption there

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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn

On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 09:14 -0800, Steve Coast wrote:
 I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second
 to answer it; 
 
 Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all
 open source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show.

I have an old nokia, so I selected nokia from the list and no further
questions were asked.  I hope that doesnt indicate that Ive selected I
have a nokia GPS phone, if so, sorry for messing up your stats.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-03 Thread Greg Troxel


Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes:

 what i see a bit right now in the US are places where we have
 a central node from one import and a boundary with the same
 name from another, and as a result two names showing up.
 it's mildly annoying.

That may be true but Kurt is right.For most towns in New England
there is a polygon for the boundary, and then a specific place, often an
intersection or a village green or a few streets that should properly be
labeled as a point.

If having a polygon with the name and a point with the name as a
populated place produces two names on the map, then the rendering is
arguably broken.  It may be that if the town center point is in the map
view, the label should be put more or less there.  But if it isn't, then
there shoudl be some label on both sides of the boundary with the two
town names.   Choosing labeling by context is a bit of an art in
manually-prepared maps, and we should expect that writing programs to do
it is also an art.  In the OSM db we should encode as much semantics as
is cleanly possible and not worry too much about what today's renderers
do - there's a lot worse that can happen besides two town names.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

On 4 January 2011 00:25, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Toby Murray wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
  Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be
  useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it.

 It seems like duplicate information to me. Like mapping a walmart with
 both a building outline tagged as a shop and a point in the middle
 tagged the same way. What do you define as the center of a town? If
 it is just the centroid of the border polygon then this can be
 determined from the boundary. If you mean the central business
 district or town hall, then that should be mapped appropriately with
 landuse and building polygons.

There's a practice to add such a node to the boundary's relationwith
the role admin_centre (and other *_centre's I guess), which is easier
for a tool to understand than a bunch of building polygons.

However, the claim that having both a relation and a place= node is
duplicate information is incorrect, it's just a different way to
express the admin_centre role.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-03 Thread Richard Welty


On 1/3/11 9:51 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:

Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net  writes:


what i see a bit right now in the US are places where we have
a central node from one import and a boundary with the same
name from another, and as a result two names showing up.
it's mildly annoying.

That may be true but Kurt is right.For most towns in New England
there is a polygon for the boundary, and then a specific place, often an
intersection or a village green or a few streets that should properly be
labeled as a point.

If having a polygon with the name and a point with the name as a
populated place produces two names on the map, then the rendering is
arguably broken.  It may be that if the town center point is in the map
view, the label should be put more or less there.

there is an underlying data problem. the boundaries and center points
are disconnected bits of data, and i would argue that it's not reasonable
to demand that the rendering engines figure that relationship out.

this is why i suggested adding a centroid tag to the boundary relations
as a way to convey the place that is by convention considered the
center of town. the existing gnis object for West Sand Lake, NY then 
can be

placed in a boundary relation for West Sand Lake with a role of
centroid. now the rendering engine can just see if there's a centroid and
use that, if not, it can compute its own. if it doesn't check for the 
centroid

and computes its own anyway, that's really not particularly a failure, just
not as nice as it could have been.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

On 4 January 2011 04:10, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 4 January 2011 00:25, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Toby Murray wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
  Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be
  useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it.

 It seems like duplicate information to me. Like mapping a walmart with
 both a building outline tagged as a shop and a point in the middle
 tagged the same way. What do you define as the center of a town? If
 it is just the centroid of the border polygon then this can be
 determined from the boundary. If you mean the central business
 district or town hall, then that should be mapped appropriately with
 landuse and building polygons.

 There's a practice to add such a node to the boundary's relationwith
 the role admin_centre (and other *_centre's I guess), which is easier
 for a tool to understand than a bunch of building polygons.

I should say that there are also comments that it's an abuse of the
boundary relation to add other data than the boundary to it, and
really it needs a new relation type (type=place?) that woudl
incorporate the boundary, the central node(s), and other data.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-03 Thread Greg Troxel


Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes:

 On 1/3/11 9:51 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
 Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net  writes:

 That may be true but Kurt is right.For most towns in New England
 there is a polygon for the boundary, and then a specific place, often an
 intersection or a village green or a few streets that should properly be
 labeled as a point.

 If having a polygon with the name and a point with the name as a
 populated place produces two names on the map, then the rendering is
 arguably broken.  It may be that if the town center point is in the map
 view, the label should be put more or less there.
 there is an underlying data problem. the boundaries and center points
 are disconnected bits of data, and i would argue that it's not reasonable
 to demand that the rendering engines figure that relationship out.

 this is why i suggested adding a centroid tag to the boundary relations
 as a way to convey the place that is by convention considered the
 center of town. the existing gnis object for West Sand Lake, NY then
 can be
 placed in a boundary relation for West Sand Lake with a role of
 centroid. now the rendering engine can just see if there's a centroid and
 use that, if not, it can compute its own. if it doesn't check for the
 centroid
 and computes its own anyway, that's really not particularly a failure, just
 not as nice as it could have been.

Sorry, I understand what you are saying now.   I thought you were
objecting to defining the traditional centers as redundant with
geometric centroid.  I now think you're saying that those should be part
of the boundary relation so that it's clear and easy to process with
less matching up that can go wrong with editing.

The word centroid seems best avoided.  It has a well established
geometrical meaning and that isn't what we mean.   admin_centre seems
fine for boundaries with admin_level tags.  Or just traditional_center
for any boundary relation.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-03 Thread john

It makes sense to me to label the administrative center, if any, as well as the 
geometric centroid of the town polygon.  It is not unusual for a town to expand 
more in one direction than another, particularly if is near a natural barrier 
such as a mountain range Orr a lake.  Note that towns don't necessarily have 
their own administrative center; where I live (Nashville, Tennessee, USA), 
there is a metropolitan government (a merger of the Nashville city government 
and county government) that administers most of Davidson County), but a few 
communities have chosen to have their own local government.

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Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim  US places
From  :mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net
Date  :Mon Jan 03 21:12:16 America/Chicago 2011


On 1/3/11 9:51 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
 Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net  writes:

 what i see a bit right now in the US are places where we have
 a central node from one import and a boundary with the same
 name from another, and as a result two names showing up.
 it's mildly annoying.
 That may be true but Kurt is right.For most towns in New England
 there is a polygon for the boundary, and then a specific place, often an
 intersection or a village green or a few streets that should properly be
 labeled as a point.

 If having a polygon with the name and a point with the name as a
 populated place produces two names on the map, then the rendering is
 arguably broken.  It may be that if the town center point is in the map
 view, the label should be put more or less there.
there is an underlying data problem. the boundaries and center points
are disconnected bits of data, and i would argue that it's not reasonable
to demand that the rendering engines figure that relationship out.

this is why i suggested adding a centroid tag to the boundary relations
as a way to convey the place that is by convention considered the
center of town. the existing gnis object for West Sand Lake, NY then 
can be
placed in a boundary relation for West Sand Lake with a role of
centroid. now the rendering engine can just see if there's a centroid and
use that, if not, it can compute its own. if it doesn't check for the 
centroid
and computes its own anyway, that's really not particularly a failure, just
not as nice as it could have been.

richard


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Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?

2011-01-03 Thread Frank Fesevur

2011/1/4  nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au:
 Is there an Android OS app for osm?

When you want to use your phone for mapping, you should definitily not
forget OSMTracker.

Searching for osm in the Market on my phone (results may vary
because Market searches are phone abilty aware) results in 46 finds.

Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Maarten Deen


On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:14:39 -0800, Steve Coast wrote:

I'm curious. So here's a little survey, people like you take a second
to answer it;

 http://bit.ly/ii3cKg [1]

Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all
open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show.


I hope you're not inferring anything from that little poll. I've 
answered Nokia, becuause my primary phone is a Nokia 6310i.
I'd be interested to see if someone can make a JAVA app for OSM for 
that phone. ;)


Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn

On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 21:52 -0500, Anthony wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
  Being curious in return, why are you curious?
 
 Well, he does work for Microsoft...

Explains the assumption that everyone has a latest and greatest brand
name GPS-enabled smartphone hardware.  Out of interest, are you showing
the results of this rough survey publicly?

David


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Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

 On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:14:39 -0800, Steve Coast wrote:

 I'm curious. So here's a little survey, people like you take a second
 to answer it;

  http://bit.ly/ii3cKg [1]

 Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all
 open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show.

 I hope you're not inferring anything from that little poll. I've answered
 Nokia, becuause my primary phone is a Nokia 6310i.

Note that that there will also be some folks that have a Nokia phone
because they're open souce nuts and use a Maemo-linux Nokia phone.
AFAIK Maemo, Palm's Webos and Android are all about the same level of
open, i.e. linux-based but including some closed source drivers or
libraries.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel

2011-01-03 Thread Floris Looijesteijn

Laten we dat maar vastzetten.

Lokatie t.b.a.

Groet,
Floris

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 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu:
 Hilversum lijkt me ook prima!

 za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit.

 Henk Hoff wrote:
 Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam  ;-)

 Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum
 (voor
 de
 verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het
 station
 (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari
 iedereen
 prima in de oren?

 Gr,
 Henk Hoff


 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel.

 Wie heeft zin om te organiseren?
 Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :)

 Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel

2011-01-03 Thread Floris Looijesteijn

Ideetje: http://www.cafedudok.nl/ ?

Is op kruipafstand van NS station Hilversum.

Groet,
Floris

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 za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit.

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 Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam  ;-)

 Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum
 (voor
 de
 verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het
 station
 (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari
 iedereen
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 Wie heeft zin om te organiseren?
 Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :)

 Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger

2011-01-03 Thread Rob

Op 2 januari 2011 19:07 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het
volgende:

 Ik heb even de .../full gegevens wat zitten filteren en zoek-en-vervangen
 en kwam er achter dat met wat headergegevens uit de relatie en de lat/lon
 gegevens (afgerond op 16 cijfers) en de time gegevens mijn GPS er snel veel
 van ging begrijpen. Zowel met trk als met rte begrijpt hij het helemaal.

 header:
 ?xml version=1.0?
 gpx version=1.1 creator=Iwan Oprins xmlns:xsi=
 http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns=
 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1; xsi:schemaLocation=
 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1
 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd;

 Natuurlijk is niet iedere relatie gesloten. Dit ligt aan de maker van de
 relatie.
 Als je een relatie laat analyseren, dan krijg je ook te horen dat een
 relatie bestaat uit een zeker aantal segmenten. Deze segmenten kunnen dan
 toch eenvoudig in GPX
 tracksegmenten geplaatst worden.

 Met een beetje sleutelen kan er toch vrij snel in plaats van .../full ook
 een .../gpxtrack en/of gpxroute gemaakt worden zodat de noeste arbeid van
 relatiebouwers er in een keurige bruikbare GPX bestand uit kunnen komen en
 door OpenStreetMap gebruikers hergebruikt worden.

 Is dit uitvoerbaar?

 -Robert-


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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel

2011-01-03 Thread Henk Hoff

Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter
uitkomt ;-)

Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en
uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan
naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord?

Gr,
Henk H.


2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu

 Laten we dat maar vastzetten.

 Lokatie t.b.a.

 Groet,
 Floris

 Martijn van Exel wrote:
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  flickr: rhodes
 
 
 
  2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu:
  Hilversum lijkt me ook prima!
 
  za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit.
 
  Henk Hoff wrote:
  Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam  ;-)
 
  Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum
  (voor
  de
  verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het
  station
  (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari
  iedereen
  prima in de oren?
 
  Gr,
  Henk Hoff
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org
 wrote:
 
  Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel.
 
  Wie heeft zin om te organiseren?
  Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :)
 
  Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me.
 
  Martijn
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel

2011-01-03 Thread Martijn van Exel


Goed wat mij betreft!

On 1/3/2011 12:39 PM, Henk Hoff wrote:

Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter
uitkomt ;-)

Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en
uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek
gaan naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord?

Gr,
Henk H.


2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu mailto:o...@floris.nu

Laten we dat maar vastzetten.

Lokatie t.b.a.

Groet,
Floris

Martijn van Exel wrote:
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  Martijn
 
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  2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu
mailto:o...@floris.nu:
  Hilversum lijkt me ook prima!
 
  za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit.
 
  Henk Hoff wrote:
  Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam  ;-)
 
  Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum
  (voor
  de
  verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het
  station
  (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari
  iedereen
  prima in de oren?
 
  Gr,
  Henk Hoff
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org
mailto:m...@rtijn.org wrote:
 
  Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel.
 
  Wie heeft zin om te organiseren?
  Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :)
 
  Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me.
 
  Martijn
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] gemeentelijke herindeling

2011-01-03 Thread Rob

Op 2 januari 2011 23:52 schreef Lennard l...@xs4all.nl het volgende:

 On 2-1-2011 12:19, Rob wrote:

 Per 1 januari zijn er weer verschillende gemeenten samengevoegd.
 De vraag is nu gaan we dit individueel oppakken of is er iemand die
 dit al op z'n todo lijst heeft staan ?


 Het stond op mijn todo, maar jij mag ook hoor.


Neuh, be my guest ;)
Toevallig zitten hier om de hoek 2 gemeentes die samengaan.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger

2011-01-03 Thread robert



Rob,

Dat snap ik.
Zal kijken wat de verdere opties zijn.
Ik vind zelf deze relaties in je GPS kunnen krijgen eigenlijk bijna  
net zo belangrijk als een mooie kaart.


Zin in hebben is altijd subjectief en ik ben inmiddels bezig om een  
dev omgeving te krijgen.
Kan ik meteen mijn eigen DO'tje voor het controleren van  
Wandelrouterelaties uitvoeren.


groet
-Robert-

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Op 2 januari 2011 19:07 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het
volgende:


Ik heb even de .../full gegevens wat zitten filteren en zoek-en-vervangen
en kwam er achter dat met wat headergegevens uit de relatie en de lat/lon
gegevens (afgerond op 16 cijfers) en de time gegevens mijn GPS er snel veel
van ging begrijpen. Zowel met trk als met rte begrijpt hij het helemaal.

header:
?xml version=1.0?
gpx version=1.1 creator=Iwan Oprins xmlns:xsi=
http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns=
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1; xsi:schemaLocation=
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd;

Natuurlijk is niet iedere relatie gesloten. Dit ligt aan de maker van de
relatie.
Als je een relatie laat analyseren, dan krijg je ook te horen dat een
relatie bestaat uit een zeker aantal segmenten. Deze segmenten kunnen dan
toch eenvoudig in GPX
tracksegmenten geplaatst worden.

Met een beetje sleutelen kan er toch vrij snel in plaats van .../full ook
een .../gpxtrack en/of gpxroute gemaakt worden zodat de noeste arbeid van
relatiebouwers er in een keurige bruikbare GPX bestand uit kunnen komen en
door OpenStreetMap gebruikers hergebruikt worden.

Is dit uitvoerbaar?

-Robert-



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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel

2011-01-03 Thread Floris Looijesteijn

Whatever, ik ben van de partij!

Martijn van Exel wrote:
 Goed wat mij betreft!

 On 1/3/2011 12:39 PM, Henk Hoff wrote:
 Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter
 uitkomt ;-)

 Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en
 uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek
 gaan naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord?

 Gr,
 Henk H.


 2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu mailto:o...@floris.nu

 Laten we dat maar vastzetten.

 Lokatie t.b.a.

 Groet,
 Floris

 Martijn van Exel wrote:
   Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda.
  
   Martijn
  
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   2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu
 mailto:o...@floris.nu:
   Hilversum lijkt me ook prima!
  
   za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit.
  
   Henk Hoff wrote:
   Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam  ;-)
  
   Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt
 Hilversum
   (voor
   de
   verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij
 het
   station
   (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15
 januari
   iedereen
   prima in de oren?
  
   Gr,
   Henk Hoff
  
  
   On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org
 mailto:m...@rtijn.org wrote:
  
   Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel.
  
   Wie heeft zin om te organiseren?
   Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd
 :)
  
   Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me.
  
   Martijn
  
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel

2011-01-03 Thread robert



-1
Helaas moet ik dan afhaken, want dat komt mij erg slecht uit.

-Robert-

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Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter
uitkomt ;-)

Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en
uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan
naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord?

Gr,
Henk H.


2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu


Laten we dat maar vastzetten.

Lokatie t.b.a.

Groet,
Floris

Martijn van Exel wrote:
 Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda.

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 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu:
 Hilversum lijkt me ook prima!

 za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit.

 Henk Hoff wrote:
 Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam  ;-)

 Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum
 (voor
 de
 verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het
 station
 (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari
 iedereen
 prima in de oren?

 Gr,
 Henk Hoff


 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org
wrote:

 Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel.

 Wie heeft zin om te organiseren?
 Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :)

 Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me.

 Martijn

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger

2011-01-03 Thread Rob

We hebben ooit eens een poi export gemaakt
ik kan me goed voorstellen dat je zo ook een relatie / route export
applicatie wilt hebben. (vreemd dat dit nog niet bestaat)

Rob

Op 3 januari 2011 13:11 schreef rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende:


 Rob,

 Dat snap ik.
 Zal kijken wat de verdere opties zijn.
 Ik vind zelf deze relaties in je GPS kunnen krijgen eigenlijk bijna net zo
 belangrijk als een mooie kaart.

 Zin in hebben is altijd subjectief en ik ben inmiddels bezig om een dev
 omgeving te krijgen.
 Kan ik meteen mijn eigen DO'tje voor het controleren van
 Wandelrouterelaties uitvoeren.

 groet
 -Robert-

 Citeren Rob interru...@gmail.com:


  Op 2 januari 2011 19:07 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info
 het
 volgende:

  Ik heb even de .../full gegevens wat zitten filteren en zoek-en-vervangen
 en kwam er achter dat met wat headergegevens uit de relatie en de lat/lon
 gegevens (afgerond op 16 cijfers) en de time gegevens mijn GPS er snel
 veel
 van ging begrijpen. Zowel met trk als met rte begrijpt hij het
 helemaal.

 header:
 ?xml version=1.0?
 gpx version=1.1 creator=Iwan Oprins xmlns:xsi=
 http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns=
 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1; xsi:schemaLocation=
 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1
 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd;

 Natuurlijk is niet iedere relatie gesloten. Dit ligt aan de maker van de
 relatie.
 Als je een relatie laat analyseren, dan krijg je ook te horen dat een
 relatie bestaat uit een zeker aantal segmenten. Deze segmenten kunnen dan
 toch eenvoudig in GPX
 tracksegmenten geplaatst worden.

 Met een beetje sleutelen kan er toch vrij snel in plaats van .../full ook
 een .../gpxtrack en/of gpxroute gemaakt worden zodat de noeste arbeid van
 relatiebouwers er in een keurige bruikbare GPX bestand uit kunnen komen
 en
 door OpenStreetMap gebruikers hergebruikt worden.

 Is dit uitvoerbaar?

 -Robert-


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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger

2011-01-03 Thread robert



Nou, kijk, dat vind ik ook erg vreemd.
HEt zou toch een eenvoudige en geweldige optie zijn om wandel of  
fietsroutes, maar ook wellicht autoroutes die opgeslagen staan in OSM  
op te vragen en te gebruiken om eenvoudig een tourtochtje te maken?


-Robert-

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We hebben ooit eens een poi export gemaakt
ik kan me goed voorstellen dat je zo ook een relatie / route export
applicatie wilt hebben. (vreemd dat dit nog niet bestaat)

Rob

Op 3 januari 2011 13:11 schreef rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende:



Rob,

Dat snap ik.
Zal kijken wat de verdere opties zijn.
Ik vind zelf deze relaties in je GPS kunnen krijgen eigenlijk bijna net zo
belangrijk als een mooie kaart.

Zin in hebben is altijd subjectief en ik ben inmiddels bezig om een dev
omgeving te krijgen.
Kan ik meteen mijn eigen DO'tje voor het controleren van
Wandelrouterelaties uitvoeren.

groet
-Robert-

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 Op 2 januari 2011 19:07 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info

het
volgende:

 Ik heb even de .../full gegevens wat zitten filteren en zoek-en-vervangen

en kwam er achter dat met wat headergegevens uit de relatie en de lat/lon
gegevens (afgerond op 16 cijfers) en de time gegevens mijn GPS er snel
veel
van ging begrijpen. Zowel met trk als met rte begrijpt hij het
helemaal.

header:
?xml version=1.0?
gpx version=1.1 creator=Iwan Oprins xmlns:xsi=
http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns=
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1; xsi:schemaLocation=
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd;

Natuurlijk is niet iedere relatie gesloten. Dit ligt aan de maker van de
relatie.
Als je een relatie laat analyseren, dan krijg je ook te horen dat een
relatie bestaat uit een zeker aantal segmenten. Deze segmenten kunnen dan
toch eenvoudig in GPX
tracksegmenten geplaatst worden.

Met een beetje sleutelen kan er toch vrij snel in plaats van .../full ook
een .../gpxtrack en/of gpxroute gemaakt worden zodat de noeste arbeid van
relatiebouwers er in een keurige bruikbare GPX bestand uit kunnen komen
en
door OpenStreetMap gebruikers hergebruikt worden.

Is dit uitvoerbaar?

-Robert-



Uitvoerbaar ja, zal meer een kwestie van tijd en zin zijn denk ik...

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel

2011-01-03 Thread steggink


Je moet zeker gaan wandelen? ;)

Wat mij betreft komt het allebei even goed / even slecht uit. Ongeacht  
de dag weet ik niet zeker of ik er ben. Hilversum als locatie vind ik  
prima.


Frank

Quoting rob...@elsenaar.info:



-1
Helaas moet ik dan afhaken, want dat komt mij erg slecht uit.

-Robert-

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Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter
uitkomt ;-)

Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en
uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan
naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord?

Gr,
Henk H.


2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu


Laten we dat maar vastzetten.

Lokatie t.b.a.

Groet,
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Hilversum lijkt me ook prima!

za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit.

Henk Hoff wrote:

Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam  ;-)

Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum
(voor
de
verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het
station
(Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari
iedereen
prima in de oren?

Gr,
Henk Hoff


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Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel.

Wie heeft zin om te organiseren?
Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :)

Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel

2011-01-03 Thread ROBERT



Nee sorry, dit keer niet wandelen. ;)
Alhoewel ik heb een jaarlijks winter event van een andere hiobby van  
me: Boogschieten. En dat is even belangrijker dan een nieuwjaarsborrel.


Tot komende zondag allemaal. Daar is ook wel drank aanwezig. Wellicht  
een prima alternatief voor de 15de of de 16de. Zorg ik voor Champagne  
en bier. Gaan we eerst www.openstreetmap.nl opkalefateren en  
aansluitend vieren we het nieuwe jaar uit.


Wie mee wil helpen aan de site komt om 12:00 uur (lunch met  
Erwtensoep) en wie alleen wil borrelen komt om 17:00 uur.


Is dat een goed alternatief?

groet
-Robert-



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Je moet zeker gaan wandelen? ;)

Wat mij betreft komt het allebei even goed / even slecht uit. Ongeacht
de dag weet ik niet zeker of ik er ben. Hilversum als locatie vind ik
prima.

Frank

Quoting rob...@elsenaar.info:



-1
Helaas moet ik dan afhaken, want dat komt mij erg slecht uit.

-Robert-

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Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter
uitkomt ;-)

Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en
uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan
naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord?

Gr,
Henk H.


2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu


Laten we dat maar vastzetten.

Lokatie t.b.a.

Groet,
Floris

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2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu:

Hilversum lijkt me ook prima!

za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit.

Henk Hoff wrote:

Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam  ;-)

Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum
(voor
de
verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het
station
(Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari
iedereen
prima in de oren?

Gr,
Henk Hoff


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Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel.

Wie heeft zin om te organiseren?
Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :)

Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me.

Martijn

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger

2011-01-03 Thread rethna

Op 1 januari 2011 18:41 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het
volgende:


 Op verschillende pagina's in OSM worden opgeslagen relaties gedocumenteerd,
 voorbeeld:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Nederland_Wandelroutes
  Bij ieder relatie nummer staat de letter x waarmee je een XML bestand
 van de relatie kunt downloaden. Deze XML geeft echter niet voldoende
 informatie (lat/lon) om deze te gebruiken  als input voor de GPS.


Heb je het ook al via de letter a (van OSM Relation Analyzer) geprobeert.
Is het te downloaden  GPX bestand op de resultpagina wel bruikbaar voor je
GPS?

Remco
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger

2011-01-03 Thread Robert Elsenaar

@Remco: Je bent geweldig. Eindelijk iemand die mij de juiste uithoek heeft 
kunnen tonen.
Even alle gekheid op een stokje:
1) GPS bestand is voldoende en wordt geaccepteerd en weergegeven.
2) Niet alle nuttige relatieinformatie wordt meegegeven. (Optimalisatie)
3) Nodes in de relatie zoude meegegeven kunnen worden als WayPoints. 
(Optimalisatie)
4) GPX download zou vanaf een pagina direct bereikbaar moeten zijn: 
baseURL/relatienummer (Optimalisatie)

Wie heeft de mogelijkheid / zin om deze optimalisaties samen met mij door te 
voeren?

- Robert -

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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger

Op 1 januari 2011 18:41 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het 
volgende:


  Op verschillende pagina's in OSM worden opgeslagen relaties gedocumenteerd, 
voorbeeld: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Nederland_Wandelroutes
  Bij ieder relatie nummer staat de letter x waarmee je een XML bestand van 
de relatie kunt downloaden. Deze XML geeft echter niet voldoende informatie 
(lat/lon) om deze te gebruiken  als input voor de GPS.

Heb je het ook al via de letter a (van OSM Relation Analyzer) geprobeert. Is 
het te downloaden  GPX bestand op de resultpagina wel bruikbaar voor je GPS?

Remco


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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ouderdom Bing-tiles

2011-01-03 Thread Peter

Dat zou ik op mijn versie ook graag willen doen, maar mijn server is
helaas net overleden...

Ik heb vandaag bij http://osm.org/?node=241602395 een nieuwe lamp gekocht.
Daarvoor was het nodig om de stroom eraf te gooien, anders was ik er niet meer.
De server zit in dezelfde groep als de lamp.
De fan van de server loopt soms aan als ik de server start.
Zo ook nadat ik de stroom weer inschakelde en genoot van mijn nieuwe licht.
Meestal is het mogelijk om met een 'corrigerende tik' van een
schroevendraaier de ongewenste bijgeluiden te doen verdwijnen.
Dit werkt dan tot de volgende reboot. Deze keer dus niet. Er brak
zelfs een stukje plastic uit die fan.
Dit is dus het einde van mijn server. Hij heeft 2011 gehaald, maar
helaas was dat het dan.

Ik zal m'n vader nog eens herinneren aan het feit dat naast wat osm
tools ook zijn muziekverzameling erop staat, de schijven zijn immers
nog intact.
Intussen zijn donaties altijd welkom, een eventueel overschot gaat naar OSM toe!

Groeten,
Peter

Op 3 januari 2011 07:42 heeft Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org het
volgende geschreven:
Ik ben nog met een paar dingetjes bezig. een OSM-laag hoort daar ook bij.

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2011/1/2 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl:
Martijn van Exel wrote:

Ik heb 't voor elkaar:
http://lima.schaaltreinen.nl/mvexel/bing/tile.phps

Ik heb een plek gevonden waar de Bing map datum toch helemaal verkeerd is.
http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/?lat=51.35040877040094lon=6.153000235559913zoom=17

Waar nu de A73 ligt is de laatste jaren heel wat gebouwd en aangepast. Maaar
vanaf ergens begin 2000 lag waar nu de A73 ligt de aansluitende weg van de
Zuiderbrug in Venlo naar de de N271 en uiteindelijk. Bij de aanleg van de
A73 is die een vervangen door die A73 (en een paar meter beetje oostelijk
als 50km weg opnieuw aangelegd).

Maar op bovenstaande link zie je dat die weg vanuit het NW opeens niet meer
op de kaart staat. Volgens Bing zijn die kaarten van juni 2005. Maar ik heb
toch echt tracks uit 2002 dat ik over die weg gereden ben.
Als je nog een niveau verder inzoomt dan zie je die weg opeens wel liggen,
maar dan geeft Bing een datum van juni 2006.

Wat overigens nog een hele leuke toevoeging zou zijn is een transparante
overlay met de huidige OSM kaart. Is dat te realiseren Martijn?

Groeten,
Maarten

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[OSM-talk-nl] Weekbulletin

2011-01-03 Thread Martijn van Exel

Ha allemaal,

Het nieuwe weekbulletin is weer gepubliceerd[1]. Voor degenen die nog
niet hebben bijgedragen: dat kan je doen door gewoon de Google Doc te
openen via deze link:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bihWQMlO-ucLUqPy04OoUVQxZiXP4xOOEXuCjcF2wh8/edit?hl=enauthkey=CIqZu-QG#

..en je bijdrage in te voegen.

Op zondagavond kan het bulletin worden gepost op blog.openstreetmap.nl.

Martijn

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[talk-au] highway shields: AU

2011-01-03 Thread Richard Weait

Hi All,

I've been working on better highway shield rendering in Canada and the
US for a while. I added a few Australian shields today.

My rendering of shields relies on the network tag as documented

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Road_Routes
and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields#Australia

To make these work well globally, the network tag should be namespaced
with the country and if needed, the state / province.  I've added the
AU_ prefix to the Australian shields in the wiki link above.  If you
have a more thorough discussion of the AU network tag please point me
to it.

For now I've implemented a Dirty Hack(r) on my server to allow
rendering for this example below.  The server connection is a bit
fragile, so if you get nothing try again tomorrow.

http://weait.com:8080/map/shield.html?lat=-37.75568lon=144.92465zoom=11layers=BTF

In future, I'll tweak the shield images a bit, but probably not for a
few weeks.

If, in your future highway editing, you could update your network tags
to the AU_NH, AU_NR, etc. form, that will mean that Australian shields
will continue to render after I clean up the Dirty Hack(r). ;-)

I'd like your feedback, including which other shields should be added?
 Metroads?

Best regards and Happy New Year,
Richard

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Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU

2011-01-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:15:58 -0500
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 If, in your future highway editing, you could update your network tags
 to the AU_NH, AU_NR, etc. form, that will mean that Australian shields
 will continue to render after I clean up the Dirty Hack(r). ;-)

we now put network tags in relations so another line in the relation
would be appropriate

but thanks for making highway shields

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[talk-au] Locations of underground creeks

Hi all,
  I was having a look at trying to connect the end of scotchman's
creek in Melbourne with where it runs into Gardiner's Creek.

It disappears underground here:
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.88404,145.090248z=21t=knmd=20101120
And reappears here:
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.876498,145.079487z=21t=knmd=20101120

Melway shows it meandering back and forth underneath the freeway.

Any ideas where to get information on the shape of the tunnel, if
that's what it is? If not, do we just draw a straight line from inlet
to outlet? Suggestions?

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith

On 4 January 2011 06:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 To make these work well globally, the network tag should be namespaced
 with the country and if needed, the state / province.  I've added the
 AU_ prefix to the Australian shields in the wiki link above.  If you
 have a more thorough discussion of the AU network tag please point me
 to it.

Why do you need to do this when there is country boundaries to use?

If you must add something like this do it in post processing...

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Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU

2011-01-03 Thread Richard Weait

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 4 January 2011 06:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 To make these work well globally, the network tag should be namespaced
 with the country and if needed, the state / province.  I've added the
 AU_ prefix to the Australian shields in the wiki link above.  If you
 have a more thorough discussion of the AU network tag please point me
 to it.

 Why do you need to do this when there is country boundaries to use?

Two reasons, so far.  We have found highways maintained outside the
border of the expected jurisdiction.  So a NY shield is required in
Pennsylvania.  But mostly because we have to describe the shield in
the context of a file system, as well, to find the shield images.
Finding the M shield is easier when we know if it should be the AU_M,
UK_M or another.

 If you must add something like this do it in post processing...

We're not describing the jurisdiction, but the network, or essentially
the shield background image.  It can't always be extracted from the
location.

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Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith

On 4 January 2011 12:34, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 Two reasons, so far.  We have found highways maintained outside the
 border of the expected jurisdiction.  So a NY shield is required in
 Pennsylvania.  But mostly because we have to describe the shield in
 the context of a file system, as well, to find the shield images.
 Finding the M shield is easier when we know if it should be the AU_M,
 UK_M or another.

Then tag the exception, rather than everything, and in the case of
Australia, which road exactly goes outside the country border?

 If you must add something like this do it in post processing...

 We're not describing the jurisdiction, but the network, or essentially
 the shield background image.  It can't always be extracted from the
 location.

See above...

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Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith

On 4 January 2011 14:07, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 Then tag the exception, rather than everything, and in the case of
 Australia, which road exactly goes outside the country border?

Oh almost forgot, if you have to do this, use an existing tag like addr:state=*

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Re: [talk-au] Locations of underground creeks

2011-01-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd

On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:51:54 +1100
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yer, but GPS's don't work underground.

you need an INS

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[talk-au] What's happening in April? (was: Re: Suitable Garmin GPS Devices)

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
 On being able to add to the data - note that there is a split in the
 community over the new licence for OSM and some substantial
 contributors to the Australian map will provide no more data to OSM
 after April Fool's Day.
 We will have alternate data sources by then.

Oh, this is news. What's happening in April? (I guess I am not one of
the substantial contributors :))

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] What's happening in April? (was: Re: Suitable Garmin GPS Devices)

2011-01-03 Thread Sam Vekemans

/me is hoping that there will be multiple API instances globally so
then the planet load can be shared.



Ideally, designated country-specific APIs which require a unique login
will be setup and ready for april 1st..


This makes for merging the API's at a later date (when the dust
settles) MUCH easier.


cheers,
Sam

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 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
 On being able to add to the data - note that there is a split in the
 community over the new licence for OSM and some substantial
 contributors to the Australian map will provide no more data to OSM
 after April Fool's Day.
 We will have alternate data sources by then.

 Oh, this is news. What's happening in April? (I guess I am not one of
 the substantial contributors :))

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Re: [Talk-br] Relatório OSM-br: 02/01/2011

2011-01-03 Thread Djavan Fagundes

Em Dom, 2011-01-02 às 09:44 -0200, vitor escreveu:
 Status dos Atividades OSM-br
 
 
 B250C - Brasil 250 Cidades
 
 Página do
 Projeto: 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/Brasil_250_Cidades
 
 2a. fase
 Conectividade em 84,83% (+5.27%)
 Grid Atualizado
 (html): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.html (15 Mb)
 Grid Atualizado
 (zip):   http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.zip (2,6 Mb)
 
 JOSM - Tradução ao português
 
 Página do
 Projeto: https://translations.launchpad.net/josm/trunk/+pots/josm
 Indicador: Percentual de strings traduzidas em 62.44% (+1,65%)
 Tradução do Texto de Notícias do JOSM:
 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/StartupPageSource

Só pra atualizar o relatório.. Eu estou traduzindo o JOSM e já passei de
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Re: [Talk-br] Relatório OSM-br: 02/01/2011

2011-01-03 Thread Bráulio

Eu traduzi hoje algumas coisas direto da interface web do Launchpad, então
deve dar alguns conflitos.

2011/1/3 Djavan Fagundes dja...@comum.org

 Em Dom, 2011-01-02 às 09:44 -0200, vitor escreveu:
  Status dos Atividades OSM-br
 
 
  B250C - Brasil 250 Cidades
 
  Página do
  Projeto:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/Brasil_250_Cidades
 
  2a. fase
  Conectividade em 84,83% (+5.27%)
  Grid Atualizado
  (html): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.html (15 Mb)
  Grid Atualizado
  (zip):   http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.zip (2,6 Mb)
 
  JOSM - Tradução ao português
 
  Página do
  Projeto: https://translations.launchpad.net/josm/trunk/+pots/josm
  Indicador: Percentual de strings traduzidas em 62.44% (+1,65%)
  Tradução do Texto de Notícias do JOSM:
  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/StartupPageSource

 Só pra atualizar o relatório.. Eu estou traduzindo o JOSM e já passei de
 90%. Assim que terminar irei enviar o .PO via Launchpad.


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Re: [Talk-br] Relatório OSM-br: 02/01/2011

2011-01-03 Thread Djavan Fagundes

Em Seg, 2011-01-03 às 15:22 -0300, Bráulio escreveu:
 Eu traduzi hoje algumas coisas direto da interface web do Launchpad,
 então deve dar alguns conflitos.

Tentarei ver o diff para inserir as suas traduções. Eu tenho conta de
revisor no LP, então eu traduzo offline e envio direto, é bem melhor.

Se possível, aguarde uns dias até que eu termine e envie, então você
pode revisar pra ver se usei os termos corretos.

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Re: [Talk-br] Relatório OSM-br: 02/01/2011

2011-01-03 Thread Leandro Motta Barros

Se não me engano também tinha um caso de tanto grave_yard quanto
cemetery estarem traduzidas como cemitério. Acho que o grave_yard
ficaria melhor como túmulo.

LMB

2011/1/3 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com:
 Uma dica que eu dou a todos é prestar atenção em coisas que parecem mas não
 são. Por exemplo, eu corrigi um dia desses a tag de baby hatch ( estava como
 berçário, mas é na verdade um lugar para depósito anônimo de bebês ) e
 também a de motel ( motor hotel X love hotel ).

 2011/1/3 Djavan Fagundes dja...@comum.org

 Em Seg, 2011-01-03 às 15:22 -0300, Bráulio escreveu:
  Eu traduzi hoje algumas coisas direto da interface web do Launchpad,
  então deve dar alguns conflitos.

 Tentarei ver o diff para inserir as suas traduções. Eu tenho conta de
 revisor no LP, então eu traduzo offline e envio direto, é bem melhor.

 Se possível, aguarde uns dias até que eu termine e envie, então você
 pode revisar pra ver se usei os termos corretos.

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[Talk-br] Re-2: Importaçôes ilegais d o usuário deltabrasil

2011-01-03 Thread cs

Sabe, tem 108 pontas de Tracksource ainda no Banco de Dados (na dia 24/12).
Tem alugem para collectar os pontos para reverçao? Eu so sem tempo ate fim
de Janeiro.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Importaçôes ilegais do usuário deltabrasil 
(02-Jan-2011 21:28)
From:Leandro Motta Barros lmbar...@gmail.com
To:  c...@geobahia.net.br

 Olás,

 Acho que existe um segundo changeset (esse bem pequeno) com
 importações do Tracksource:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/6668309

 LMB

 2010/12/31 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com:
  Eu não sei como é possível o Tracksource reclamar copyright se os seus 
  dados
  são baseados em sua maioria nos mapas da garmin e do google maps, que são 
  os
  detentores originais do copyright.
  Para mim, todo e qualquer dado do Tracksource deve ser ignorado, para não
  nos trazer problemas futuros.
  2010/12/30 Leandro Motta Barros lmbar...@gmail.com

  Acho que o Tracksource deveria ser tirado dali... o FAQ deles e é bem
  claro:

  Mas, os dados e fontes dos mapas são de propriedade exclusiva do
  Tracksource, protegidos por Copyright e sujeitos à licença de
  utilização.

  (http://www.tracksource.org.br/index.php?option=com_contentview=article;
 id=26Itemid=51#FAQ-003)

  LMB

  2010/12/30  c...@geobahia.net.br:
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Brasil

    Original Message 
   Subject: [Talk-br] Importaçôes ilegais do usuário deltabrasil
   (27-Dez-2010 21:32)
   From:    Djavan Fagundes dja...@comum.org
   To:     �...@geobahia.net.br

   Pessoal,

   Editando agora, encontrei este changeset
   http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/6778093

   Veio tudo do tracksource.

   Djavan

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Re: [Talk-is] Er að skoða hjólastígana

2011-01-03 Thread Kalli G

Takk fyrir greinargóðar upplýsingar, þær eiga eftir að nýtast vel. Mitt
markmið með þessum vangaveltum er það að fá hjólavefsjá til að virka að
eitthverju marki eins og til er ætlast.

Ég er svo mikill nýgræðingur í þessum málun að ég efast stórlega að okkar
fundur myndi skila okkur miklu, (að okkur báðum ólöstuðum). Ég byrjaði
líkelga að sýna þessu verkefni áhuga á álíka tíma og þú, Þ.E. þegar umræðan
um hjólavfefsjá fór á skrið.

Svo á ég líka frekar erfvitt með mannamót þessi misserin, þar sem að ég
stunda af kappi langar og strangar næturvaktir.

Fyrir mér hafa samt eylífar vangaveltur, skoðanir og skilgreiningar á
hjóavísum, reinum, greinum stígum slóðum, leiðum, vegköntum, gangbrautum og
þessháttar bara verið til travala, þvæst fyrir og ruglað mig í ríminu.
Hreinlega tafið mig í að koma eitthverju í verk.

Stæðsta vandamálið sem ég sé í sambandi við þessa hjóavefsjá eru skortur á
tengingum á milli hjólaleiða þ.e.hjóaleiða sem td. fara í gegnum eða yfir
almennar umferðargötur. Þar slitnar oft leiðin og routing vélin fer skrítnar
krókaleiðir.

Ég ætla að klára seltjarnarnes og vesturbæ eftir reglunum sem eru á wiki
síðunni við fyrsta tækifæri (hvenær sem það verður) og skoða svo virknina á
vefsjánni.
En áður en ég geri það þarf ég að verða mér uppi um upplýsingar um hvaða
tög henta ridethecity vefsjánni best.

Kv.
Kalli

2011/1/3 Arni Davidsson arni...@gmail.com

Sæll Karl

Ég væri til í að hittast og skoða þetta saman. Til dæmis gæti ég komið
eftir kl. 15 á morgun eða á fimmtudaginn.

Einu raunverulegu hjólastígarnir eru á köflum frá Ægisíðu inn eftir
Fossvogsdal, og í Lönguhlíð og um 200 m bútur á Laugavegi. Allir aðrir
stígar eru blandaðir göngu og hjólreiðastígar og þar á ekki að vera nein
miðlína eða 1+2 lína (hjólarein eins og þú kallar það á Sæbrautinni).
Reykjavíkurborg er búin að gefa það út að þeir séu hættir að skipta þessum
blönduðu stígum upp með línu í svo kallaða 1+2 stíga. Borgin tímir hinsvegar
ekki að afmá þær þannig að þær verða lengi að hverfa. Eftir það ætti
venjuleg hægri umferð að gilda á stígunum með framúrtöku vinstra megin ef
aðstæður leyfa.

Samkvæmt umferðarlögum eiga gangandi vegfarendur forgang fram yfir hjólandi
á stígum og gangstéttum með blandaðri umferð sbr. 4 mgr. 39. gr.:
Heimilt er að hjóla á gangstétt og gangstíg, enda valdi það ekki gangandi
vegfarendum hættu eða óþægindum. Hjólreiðamaður á gangstétt eða gangstíg
skal víkja fyrir gangandi vegfarendum. Það er með þessu undanþáguákvæði sem
hjólreiðar eru leyfðar á stígum og gangstéttum.

Þessir blönduðu göngu og hjólreiðastígar og gangstéttir sem eru merktar á
hjólakorti Reykjavíkurborgar og á höfuðborgarsvæðinu eru misjafnir.
Sumstaðar eru þeir ágætir, einkum þar sem stígsýnin er góð og umferð
gangandi er lítil. Aðrir henta illa til hjólreiða, a.m.k. á venjulegum
hraða.

Það er spurning hvernig á að merkja þessa stíga.

Annaðhvort ættu þeir að vera Tag:highway=footway with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes
Tag:bicycle=yes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes sem
rímar betur við stöðu þeirra skv. umferðarlögum eða þá með:
Tag:highway=path http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath
with Tag:bicycle=yeshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes
and Tag:foot=yes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:foot%3Dyes.
En sem fyrr segir eiga blönduðu stígarnir ekki að vera með línu sem skiptir
þeim í framtíðinni.
*
*Raunverulegir hjólastígar ættu að vera með:

Tag:highway=cyclewayhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcyclewayen
spurning með :
Tag:foot=designatedhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:foot%3Ddesignated
and
Tag:segregated=yeshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:segregated%3Dyesaction=editredlink=1.

*
*Hver útkoman er í hjólavefsjánni m.v. þessar merkingar veit ég ekki.
Hugsanlega þarf að taka tillit til þess?

Til viðbótar við stígana eru síðan hjólavísar á götum. Þeir eru á Suðurgötu
sunnan Hringbrautar, Einarsnesi, Langholtsvegi og Laugarásvegi. Suðurgata
norðan Hringbrautar er með hjólarein í norðurátt gegn einstefnu bíla og
hjólavísa í suðurátt á bílaakreininni.

kveðja
Árni Davíðsson
formaður Landssamtaka hjólreiðamanna
www.LHM.is
s: 862 9247

*
2011/1/2 Karl Georg ka...@ekkert.org

Fysti pósturinn minn virðist ekki hafa skilað sér enn hann má sjá hér að
neðan, og reyndar í fyrra svari mínu líka:

Kv.
Kalli

2011/1/2 Kalli G ka...@ekkert.orgka...@ekkert.org

*Hæ,*
*Mig langar svolítið að yfirfara hjólastígana með því að leiðarljósi að
festa saman leiðir sem sem virka ekki í hjólavefsjá vegna þess að endar ná
ekki saman. Fysta skref mitt er að fara yfir obinbert hjólakort
reykjavíkurborgar,sjá:*
http://www.reykjavik.is/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-3546/5704_view-1026/
http://www.reykjavik.is/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-3546/5704_view-1026/
Heildarkort af Reykjavík 2010 (PDF útgáfa - 2,7

[Talk-is] Notkun upplýsinga um pósthús og p óstkassa

2011-01-03 Thread Daníel Gunnarsson

Góðan dag

Við höfum fengið leyfi Íslandspósts til að nota upplýsingar um staðsetningar
póstkassa og pósthúsa eins og þær koma fyrir á heimasíðu þeirra.

kv. Daníel G.
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Re: [Talk-de] Karte im Netzt

2011-01-03 Thread M


http://map.naturschutz.rlp.de/


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Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks

2011-01-03 Thread dieter jasper


Am 03.01.2011 07:22, schrieb Gary68:


also das was da ist hat nun über 30h rechenzeit gekostet. das ist mir
für wöchentlich etwas viel.



Hallo Gary,
ich bin z. Z. in Tunis, Libreville, Bamako und Nouakschott tätig.
Wenn (fast) fertig, werde ich mir ein neues Gebiet suchen.
Wenn das Rechnen mit der derzeitigen Methode so aufwändig ist, werden 
Frederik und Co. das Problem - wie angdeutet- doch noch weiter 
überlegen/besprechen müssen, was man da machen kann.


Brauchen wir weitere Server und einen Spendenaufruf?

Gruß
Dieter Jasper


kannst du näher einschränken, wo du arbeiten möchtest? nord/süd?
west/ost? oder brauchst du den einen oder anderen check nicht?

danke

gerhard


On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 12:59 +0100, dieter jasper wrote:

Am 02.01.2011 09:24, schrieb Gary68:

hi,

unter

http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/africa/africa.zip

gibt es bereits zwei checks zum thema. weitere werden folgen, wenn
fertig gerechnet.

aktualisierung auf anfrage





Hallo,
danke für die schnelle Reaktion.
Ist evtl. eine wöchentliche Aktualisierung möglich?

Gruß
Dieter Jasper

ciao und viel spaß beim fehler beheben!

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Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen

Hallo,

Rainer Knaepper rain...@smial.prima.de wrote:
  Evangelisch muss vom im 20. Jahrhundert entstandenen Begriff
  evangelikal unterschieden werden,
 
 omfg, nu ist das also auch bei osm angekommen?
 Rainer (der gruselige Grabenkämpfe um diese Begriffe in der WP sah)

Mein dringender Rat in dieser Sache waere, jegliches Tagging, das ueber
place_of_worship=church, building=yes, name=xyz und
religion=christian hinausgeht, der oertlichen Gemeinde zu
ueberlassen (und manchmal laesst man das religion=christian
vielleicht auch besser noch weg). Es mag gut gemeint sein, wenn man
versucht, aus dem Namen irgendwelche Schluesse zu ziehen, und wir
haben auch ein paar Spezialisten, die das weltweit tun - aber meiner
Ansicht nach ist der Nutzen davon gering im Vergleich zu dem
potentiellen Schaden, den man durch unzulaessige Schluesse und
Verallgemeinerungen verursacht.

Wenn ich, weil ich von Sport keine Ahnung habe, ein Fussballfeld
versehentlich als sport=rugby tagge, ist das halb so wild, aber durch
falsches Tagging im Religionsbereich kann man zahlreichen Leuten auf
die Fuesse treten. 

Wenn man selber nicht fanatisch (sondern moderat oder gar
nicht) religioes ist, vergisst man das gern, aber Menschen toeten fuer
sowas (und zwar nicht bloss irgendwo im Nahen Osten - gerade erst kam
durch WikiLeaks heraus, dass in England ernsthafte Sorgen bestanden,
es koennte zu gewalttaetigen Ausschreitungen gegen Katholiken kommen,
weil der Papst anglikanischen Bischoefen ein grosszuegiges
Uebertrittsangebot unterbreitet hatte).

Ich kann niemandem was vorschreiben, aber ich persoenlich mache einen
ganz grossen Bogen um irgendwelche Religionstags, wenn ich nicht gerade
vor der Kirche stehe und das Schild abschreibe.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks

2011-01-03 Thread Gary G:


hi,

ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe sich 
der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir 

- burkina faso
- gabon
- tunisia 

geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also?

ich denke, so kann das wöchentlich laufen.

ciao

gerhard


- original Nachricht 

Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks
Gesendet: Mo, 03. Jan 2011
Von: dieter jasperdieter_jas...@web.de

 Am 03.01.2011 07:22, schrieb Gary68:
 
  also das was da ist hat nun über 30h rechenzeit gekostet. das ist mir
  für wöchentlich etwas viel.
 
 
 Hallo Gary,
 ich bin z. Z. in Tunis, Libreville, Bamako und Nouakschott tätig.
 Wenn (fast) fertig, werde ich mir ein neues Gebiet suchen.
 Wenn das Rechnen mit der derzeitigen Methode so aufwändig ist, werden 
 Frederik und Co. das Problem - wie angdeutet- doch noch weiter 
 überlegen/besprechen müssen, was man da machen kann.
 
 Brauchen wir weitere Server und einen Spendenaufruf?
 
 Gruß
 Dieter Jasper
 
  kannst du näher einschränken, wo du arbeiten möchtest? nord/süd?
  west/ost? oder brauchst du den einen oder anderen check nicht?
 
  danke
 
  gerhard
 
 
  On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 12:59 +0100, dieter jasper wrote:
  Am 02.01.2011 09:24, schrieb Gary68:
  hi,
 
  unter
 
  http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/africa/africa.zip
 
  gibt es bereits zwei checks zum thema. weitere werden folgen, wenn
  fertig gerechnet.
 
  aktualisierung auf anfrage
 
 
  Hallo,
  danke für die schnelle Reaktion.
  Ist evtl. eine wöchentliche Aktualisierung möglich?
 
  Gruß
  Dieter Jasper
  ciao und viel spaß beim fehler beheben!
 
  gerhard
 
 
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[Talk-de] In welchen Breiten ist OSM besonders aktiv

2011-01-03 Thread Markus


Eben entdeckt:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Nodes_by_lat.png

2006 waren wir besonders zwischen 30°N und 50°N aktiv.
Gibt es neuere Untersuchungen?
Könnte sich durch Bing verändert haben...

Gruss, Markus

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Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen

2011-01-03 Thread UMAX974

Hallo Frederik,

so schlimm ist es nun auch nicht. 
Sicher hat Religion etwas mit Emotion zu tun. Aber lass dann doch mal die 
Kirche im Dorf. wegen ein paar Duchgeknallten gleich das gesamte Thema der 
Religionsgemeinschaften zum verminten Gebiet zu erklären ist doch wohl etwas 
weit hergeholt.

Sicherlich ist es aber gut, wirklich nur das zu Mappen was man auch gut kennt, 
aber das ist doch eigentlich sowieso Mapperprinzip oder...?

happy mapping
UMAX974
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Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks

2011-01-03 Thread André Joost


Am 03.01.11 13:23, schrieb Gary G::


hi,

ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe sich 
der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir

- burkina faso
- gabon
- tunisia

geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also?



Das hier:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamako
ist die Hauptstadt von Mali.

Gruß,
André Joost


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Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks

2011-01-03 Thread dieter jasper


Am 03.01.2011 13:23, schrieb Gary G::


hi,

ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe sich 
der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir

- burkina faso
- gabon
- tunisia

geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also?



Bamako, Mali

Gruß
Dieter Jasper



ich denke, so kann das wöchentlich laufen.




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Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen


Hallo,

On 01/03/11 13:39, UMAX974 wrote:

Sicher hat Religion etwas mit Emotion zu tun. Aber lass dann doch mal
die Kirche im Dorf. wegen ein paar Duchgeknallten gleich das
gesamte Thema der Religionsgemeinschaften zum verminten Gebiet zu
erklären ist doch wohl etwas weit hergeholt.


Ich meinte hauptsaechlich, dass bei bei Religionsgemeinschaften noch 
weniger als sonst als Aussenseiter irgendwas taggen sollte. (Und 
Aussenseiter ist fuer mich jeder, der nicht zu der lokalen Gemeinde 
gehoert).



Sicherlich ist es aber gut, wirklich nur das zu Mappen was man auch
gut kennt, aber das ist doch eigentlich sowieso Mapperprinzip
oder...?


Wenn ich irgendwo in Asien was vom Luftbild abpinsele, dann erlaube ich 
mir durchaus ab und zu auch einen educated guess - z.B. ich hab zwar 
keine Ahnung, was die hier so fuer Sportarten haben, aber das hier sieht 
aus wie ein Tennisplatz, also tagge ich das mal so, wenns falsch ist, 
soll es halt jemand fixen.


Bei Religionen wuerde ich das nicht machen, obwohl ich sicher bin, dass 
ein erfahrener Bilder-Angucker in vielen Faellen vom Luftbild schon 
relativ sicher sagen kann, was fuer eine Glaubensrichtung so ein 
Gotteshaus hat.


Ebensowenig wuerde ich Kirchen in Deutschland eine denomination 
verpassen, die ich rein aus ihrem Namen abgeleitet habe (so nach dem 
Motto irgendwas mit St. Vitus im Namen ist bestimmt katholisch oder 
so). Der Nutzen ist geringer als der potentielle Aerger, finde ich.


Bye
Frederik


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[Talk-de] Was ist in OSM eine Autobahn?

2011-01-03 Thread Robert S.

Ich wollte mal Fragen, ob es beim Tagging einer nicht eindeutigen Autobahn
eine feste Regel gibt.
Und zwar geht es mir um die Frage:
Bezeichnet highway=motorway die straßenrechtliche oder die
straßenverkehrsrechtliche Einstufung als Autobahn?

Die straßenrechrliche Einstufung beinhaltet die sogenannte Widmung.
Das ist die amtliche Bezeichnung der Straße und so dann auch in den
amtlichen Daten eingetragen [1].

Die straßenverkehrsrechtliche Einstufung beinhaltet die Beschilderung als
Autobahn nach StVO mit Zeichen 330 [2].

Und dann gibt es da auch noch die ausgeschilderte Nummer auf den Wegweisern.

Diese 3 Dinge stimen in über 99% aller Fälle auch überein (Eine
Bundesautobahn mit Zeichen 330, die mit der amtlichen Nummer beschildert
ist), es gibt allerdings auch einige Stellen in Deutschland, wo das nicht
alles übereinstimmt. Diese sind in OSM bisher uneinheitlich erfasst:

1. Es gibt einbahnige Abschnitte im Zuge der Bundesautobahnen A60 [3], A62
[4] und A98 [5][6].
Diese Abschnitte sind als Bundesautobahn gewidmet und auch mit ihrer
amtlichen Nummer beschildert, allerdings sind sie keine Autobahnen nach
StVO, sondern Kraftfahrstraßen.
Während A62 und (z.T.) A98 als highway=trunk mit einem Way erfasst sind,
sind A8 und A60 als highway=motorway und fälschlicherweise mit 2 Ways
erfasst.

2. Die B28 von der A7 bis Ulm [7].
Als Relikt einer inzwischen aufgegebenen Autobahnplanung ist diese
Bundesstraße als StVO-Autobahn beschildert. In OSM als highway=trunk
erfasst.

3. Die A40/B1 im Westen von Dortmund [8].
Auch wenn sie als A40-Autobahn beschildert ist, ist die Straße weiterhin als
B1 gewidmet.

4. Die A44/B1 östlich von Dortmund [9].
Genaueres unter [10].

Es gibt auch noch ein paar weitere Fälle, dazu verweise ich auf 2 (nicht
zwingend vollständige) Listen in der Wikipedia [11] [12]


Ich würde mir Wünschen, wenn es hier ein einheitliche Linie geben würde.
Deshalb mein Vorschlag:

1. Alles was mit StVO-Zeichen 330 beschildert ist, ist highway=motorway,
alles was nicht damit beschildert ist, ist maximal highway=trunk. Und das
unabhängig von der Widmung.

2. In ref=* kommt im Zweifel die ausgeschilderte Nummer.

3. Alle Straßen kommen in die route-Relation der Straße, als die sie
gewidmet sind. Ergänzend könnte man für die amtliche Nummer noch sowas wie
admin_ref=* einführen.

Dieser Vorschlag ist an dem orientiert, was man vor Ort vofindet. Ganz
einfach, weil ich denke, dass es so z.B. beim Routing die wenigsten Fehler/
Unklarheiten geben dürfte.


[1]
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=strassennrwlon=7.42932lat=51.49267zoom=8
[2]
http://www.sicherestrassen.de/VKZKatalog/Frameaufbau.htm?http://www.sicherestrassen.de/VKZKatalog/Kat330.htm
[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.1999lon=6.2906zoom=12layers=M
[4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.318lon=7.614zoom=11layers=M
[5] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.57497lon=8.09329zoom=15layers=M
[6] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.6284lon=8.2974zoom=14layers=M
[7] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.3583lon=10.0287zoom=12layers=M
[8] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4949lon=7.418zoom=14layers=M
[9] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.5154lon=7.6323zoom=14layers=M
[10] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/B1_Howi_Unna
[11]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Autobahnen,_die_keine_Bundesautobahnen_sind
[12]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Bundesautobahnen,_die_keine_Autobahnen_sind
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Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen

2011-01-03 Thread Tirkon

René Falk li...@falconaerie.de wrote:

Sorry, hab mich da unklar ausgedrückt. Die vorgeschlagene Recherche
bezieht sich natürlich auf die betreffende Kirche.

Häufig steht das im Wikipedia Artikel des betreffenden Ortes oder
Ortsteils.


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Re: [Talk-de] Was ist in OSM eine Autobahn?

2011-01-03 Thread Claudius


Am 03.01.2011 15:22, Robert S.:

Ich wollte mal Fragen, ob es beim Tagging einer nicht eindeutigen Autobahn
eine feste Regel gibt.


Nein, bei nicht eindeutigen Autobahnen gibt es keine festen Regeln.


(mehrere Beispiele entfernt)

Ich würde mir Wünschen, wenn es hier ein einheitliche Linie geben würde.
Deshalb mein Vorschlag:

1. Alles was mit StVO-Zeichen 330 beschildert ist, ist highway=motorway,
alles was nicht damit beschildert ist, ist maximal highway=trunk. Und das
unabhängig von der Widmung.


So tagge ich auch.


2. In ref=* kommt im Zweifel die ausgeschilderte Nummer.


Ja, was sonst?


3. Alle Straßen kommen in die route-Relation der Straße, als die sie
gewidmet sind. Ergänzend könnte man für die amtliche Nummer noch sowas wie
admin_ref=* einführen.


Äh... Nö, warum denn? Ich nehme die Straße in die Route-Relation auf, 
die beschildert ist. Dürfte ich denn das amtliche Datum der Widmung 
übernehmen? Ist das öffentliche ersichtlich?


Claudius


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Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks

2011-01-03 Thread Gary68

hallo dieter.

ok, die vier länder sind nun eingestellt. lasse es wöchentlich laufen.
sollte immer so dienstags abends da sein.

evtl. kannst du ja mal die eine oder andere aktion starten?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen

dann wird dir geholfen :-)

ciao

gerhard


On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 14:00 +0100, dieter jasper wrote:
 Am 03.01.2011 13:23, schrieb Gary G::
 
  hi,
 
  ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe 
  sich der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir
 
  - burkina faso
  - gabon
  - tunisia
 
  geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also?
 
 
 Bamako, Mali
 
 Gruß
 Dieter Jasper
 
 
  ich denke, so kann das wöchentlich laufen.
 
 
 
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Re: [Talk-de] Was ist in OSM eine Autobahn?


Hallo Robert,

On 01/03/11 15:22, Robert S. wrote:

Diese 3 Dinge stimen in über 99% aller Fälle auch überein (Eine
Bundesautobahn mit Zeichen 330, die mit der amtlichen Nummer beschildert
ist), es gibt allerdings auch einige Stellen in Deutschland, wo das nicht
alles übereinstimmt. Diese sind in OSM bisher uneinheitlich erfasst:


Und das wird auch so bleiben. Wir muessen damit klar kommen, dass solche 
schwierigen Dinge von Leuten unterschiedlich bewertet und getaggt 
werden. Eine einheitliche Linie definieren zu wollen, ist fruchtlos, 
denn wir koennen die Objekte nicht vor Aenderungen schuetzen oder ein 
grosses Schild Achtung, bitte nur nach Studium dieser Richtlinien 
aendern dran pappen.


Ich finde es kurzweilig, sich ueber solche Spezialfaelle Gedanken zu 
machen; die meisten haben ja eine interessante Geschichte. Wir muessen 
aber damit leben, dass die meisten Leute, die bei OSM mitarbeiten, von 
Strassenverkehrsrecht, Widmung etc. keine Ahnung haben.


Die Herausforderung an uns nicht nicht, eindeutige Kataloge zu 
definieren, an die sich die anderen halten sollen - sondern damit 
klarzukommen, dass uneindeutige Situationen auch immer uneindeutig 
gemappt werden werden.


Bye
Frederik

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