Re: [Talk-de] Evangelische Kirchen in Deutschland

[Roland Olbricht via Talk-de]

Hallo zusammen,

die Idee für die Wochenaufgabe verdient auf jeden Fall Unterstützung.

Jenseits des denomination-Tags lohnt es sich bei allen Gemeinden, auch
die URL der Gemeinde, die das Gebäude nutzt, einzutragen. Neben der
Service-Funktion, um tatsächliche Gottesdienst- und Öffnungszeiten zu
finden, ist das auch in der Zukunft der beste Indikator, ob die Kirche
noch aktuell ist.


so einfach ist das leider nicht. Die deutschen evangelischen Kirchen
sind je nach Region entweder lutherisch, reformiert oder uniert.


Um den längeren, sehr interessanten Unterschied
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformierte_Kirchen
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Evangelischer_Kirchen
mal abzukürzen: es gibt größere gemischte, aber auch fast ausschließlich
lutherische oder reformierte Gebiete in Deutschland

Als On-the-ground:
Wenn es einen stilisierten fast-nackten Mann über dem Altar gibt, dann
ist es sicher lutherisch, die reformierten Gemeinden orientieren sich am
immer Wort und haben abstrakte Kreuze.
Mitunter sind lutherische Nebenstellen aber so schlicht gestaltet, dass
die Umkehrung nicht gilt.

Es ist im Zweifel keine Schande, denomination=protestant zu notieren,
nur halt sehr unpräzise. denomination=lutherian ist dagegen häufig
genauso falsch wie denomination=evangelical

Viele Grüße,

Roland

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Re: [Talk-de] Evangelische Kirchen in Deutschland

[Björn Sieper]

Hallo Carsten,

so einfach ist das leider nicht. Die deutschen evangelischen Kirchen
sind je nach Region entweder lutherisch, reformiert oder uniert.

Die meisten Gemeindemitglieder wissen widerum nicht welcher Ausprägung
ihre eigene Gemeinde angehört und ich glaube die wenigsten werden das
für eine einzelne Kirche wissen.

Was mir nicht klar ist, ist wie das Schema auf diese Bereiche aufgeteilt
werden soll. Ich gehe ohnehin davon aus, dass denomination=lutheran
nicht für die Kirchen der EKD mit lutherischer Ausprägung gedacht ist,
sondern wenn dann eher Kirchen der SELK und das wird wiederum die
Minderheit der evangelischen Kirchen in Deutschland sein.

Grüße
Björn

Am 26.10.2020 um 05:27 schrieb Carsten Pietzsch:

Guten Morgen,

wenn man es eh überprüft, könnte man doch auch gleich konkret 
denomination=lutheran (in den meisten Fällen) vergeben statt des allgemeinen 
protestant. Oder seht ihr das anders?

Viele Grüße
Carsten

25. Oktober 2020 19:34, "Thorsten" <1...@arxlupi.de> schrieb:


Liebe Mitstreiter,

in Deutschland ist eine Unmenge von Kirchen als denomination=evangelical 
getaggt. Das in den
meisten Fällen vermutlich falsch: Evangelisch muss als denomination=protestant 
getaggt werden;
evangelical bedeutet evangelikal, das ist etwas völlig anderes
(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelikalismus#Deutschland)
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denomination#Christian_denominations).
Ich möchte mir erlauben, dazu aufzurufen, bei den Kirchen in seiner Umgebung zu 
überprüfen, ob es
sich um evangelische oder evangelikale Kirchen handelt und entsprechend 
richtigzustellen. (Wer
suchen möchte: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ZnO)

Schöne Sonntagsgrüße
Thorsten

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Re: [Talk-de] Evangelische Kirchen in Deutschland

[Carsten Pietzsch]

Guten Morgen, 

wenn man es eh überprüft, könnte man doch auch gleich konkret 
denomination=lutheran (in den meisten Fällen) vergeben statt des allgemeinen 
protestant. Oder seht ihr das anders?

Viele Grüße
Carsten

25. Oktober 2020 19:34, "Thorsten" <1...@arxlupi.de> schrieb:

> Liebe Mitstreiter,
> 
> in Deutschland ist eine Unmenge von Kirchen als denomination=evangelical 
> getaggt. Das in den
> meisten Fällen vermutlich falsch: Evangelisch muss als 
> denomination=protestant getaggt werden;
> evangelical bedeutet evangelikal, das ist etwas völlig anderes
> (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelikalismus#Deutschland)
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denomination#Christian_denominations).
> Ich möchte mir erlauben, dazu aufzurufen, bei den Kirchen in seiner Umgebung 
> zu überprüfen, ob es
> sich um evangelische oder evangelikale Kirchen handelt und entsprechend 
> richtigzustellen. (Wer
> suchen möchte: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ZnO)
> 
> Schöne Sonntagsgrüße
> Thorsten
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Andrew,

 

I would like to agree with you but after 30 years in the field I can tell you 
that ‘discouragement’ seldom works especially where self/club interest is at 
stake. It has taken a concerted effort to get this far and maintain some sense 
of order. The plethora of internet blogs makes it even harder and I monitor 
them as much as I can and regularly ask that they pull down GPS traces and hand 
drawn maps. Much information exchange goes on behind the scenes but at least 
then the individuals are making a conscious decision that they will accept the 
impacts of more visitors into areas that they have discovered themselves. Some 
folks, like me, don’t give out any information on these areas so they can be 
‘discovered” just the same as I did.

 

Ironically, one of those reports lists several tracks that don’t appear on 
maps. If I make the full strategy available they will all be listed (in text 
form).

 

I would be happier with a do_not_render=yes but I suspect many will see that as 
a pretty useless tag (if you cant render it, why bother adding it and will it 
be honoured by renderers). It took us years to convince TASMAP that they should 
be responsible and not add the tracks to public maps. In return we  provided 
gps traces of most of the major walk tracks and assisted with information for 
the Parks Series of maps (I suspect their best sellers!).

 

Personally, I would still ask a mapper to remove the track if its in one of the 
track classes or areas where its not appropriate

 

Don’t get me wrong, Parks are for people to use but unfortunately the impacts 
can be high with very small numbers (in some environments) and the lack of 
detail on maps is just one technique that is used by managers at that remote 
end of the walking spectrum (or in delicate environments). Its holding some 
impacts at bay at the moment until more folks agree to numbers restrictions in 
some areas.

 

This may be more of an issue in Tasmania than other Australian states because 
of both the high conservation values and the remote/delicate nature of many 
areas. 

 

Here is another good read on the Recreational Opportunity Spectrum/Landscape 
Classification System

http://www.projectnatureed.com.au/web%20library/micro-ROS.pdf

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Andrew Harvey  
Sent: Monday, 26 October 2020 12:01 PM
To: Phil Wyatt 
Cc: Little Maps ; OSM Aust Discussion List 

Subject: Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

 

Thanks Phill. Interesting read. I know not everyone will agree with me, but 
after reading the walking track classification policy I'm more convinced that 
we should tag as publicity=discouraged in the OSM database, and then document 
that tag so that map makers using OSM data can interpret it when putting 
together walking guides and maps.

 

As for the evaluation report on track management, glad to see people are doing 
research and writing about it. I would hope that one day OSM data becomes 
detailed enough to record many of the track attributes described in the report 
like track width, erosion severity, sensitivity of the surface and to record 
the extent of track construction and used (we have surface at the moment which 
can tag where stones are placed, wood planks etc but we can do more).

 

 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 07:33, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Andrew,

 

There is a document here that spells out how the Tasmanian PWS uses the various 
track classification schemes. Search for ‘publicity’ to get to the 
classifications that should not be on maps.

 

https://parks.tas.gov.au/Documents/Walking_Track_Classification_Policy_.pdf

 

and an evaluation report on track management in general

 

https://parks.tas.gov.au/Documents/Evaluation_Report__Back-country_walking_track_management_in_the_Tasmanian_Wilderness_WHA.pdf

 

I can load up the actual walking track strategies if you like but they are 
hefty volumes!

 

From: Andrew Harvey <  
andrew.harv...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2020 10:57 PM
To: Phil Wyatt <  p...@wyatt-family.com>
Cc: Little Maps <  mapslit...@gmail.com>; OSM Aust 
Discussion List <  Talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

 

 

 

On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 11:02, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

For the Australian Tagging Guidelines can I suggest the following text as point 
4 under bushwalking and Cycling Tracks Notes….

 

4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes and 
pads’ in remote reserves, as they may well be covered by management plans, 
standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. Such regulations or 
standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such ‘tracks’ are not 
publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the managing authority 
prior to adding 

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Little Maps]

Hi Kim, I don’t believe this problem would exist given the use case described 
in the text, which is as follows...

A mapper has evidence from a legal source (eg Bing, Strava, GPX trace) of a 
track which they are contemplating adding to OSM. Should they decide to add it, 
then the source:geometry tag would be Bing etc, as normal.

If they find a management plan that provides adequate reasons why it is 
preferable that the track not be mapped then the mapper may decide not to add 
the track. By not proceeding, no copyright breach can occur.

However, your point is a good one, and it may be useful to add a caveat to the 
end of the text like the following...

“As always, copyrighted material in published reports should not be added to 
OSM.”

> On 26 Oct 2020, at 9:53 am, Kim Oldfield  wrote:
> 
>  Will this cause copyright problems, particularly as many government 
> agencies don't understand the benefits of open licenses?
> 
>> On 25/10/20 5:31 pm, Little Maps wrote:
>> MAPPERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PERUSE RESERVE MANAGEMENT PLANS ON THE WEB OR TO 
>> DISCUSS EDITS WITH AGENCY STAFF WHEN CONSIDERING ADDING TRACKS IN 
>> CONSERVATION RESERVES.
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Andrew Harvey]

Thanks Phill. Interesting read. I know not everyone will agree with me, but
after reading the walking track classification policy I'm more convinced
that we should tag as publicity=discouraged in the OSM database, and then
document that tag so that map makers using OSM data can interpret it when
putting together walking guides and maps.

As for the evaluation report on track management, glad to see people are
doing research and writing about it. I would hope that one day OSM data
becomes detailed enough to record many of the track attributes described in
the report like track width, erosion severity, sensitivity of the surface
and to record the extent of track construction and used (we have surface at
the moment which can tag where stones are placed, wood planks etc but we
can do more).


On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 07:33, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
>
>
> There is a document here that spells out how the Tasmanian PWS uses the
> various track classification schemes. Search for ‘publicity’ to get to the
> classifications that should not be on maps.
>
>
>
> https://parks.tas.gov.au/Documents/Walking_Track_Classification_Policy_.pdf
>
>
>
> and an evaluation report on track management in general
>
>
>
>
> https://parks.tas.gov.au/Documents/Evaluation_Report__Back-country_walking_track_management_in_the_Tasmanian_Wilderness_WHA.pdf
>
>
>
> I can load up the actual walking track strategies if you like but they are
> hefty volumes!
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
> *Sent:* Sunday, 25 October 2020 10:57 PM
> *To:* Phil Wyatt 
> *Cc:* Little Maps ; OSM Aust Discussion List <
> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 11:02, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> For the Australian Tagging Guidelines can I suggest the following text as
> point 4 under bushwalking and Cycling Tracks Notes….
>
>
>
> 4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes
> and pads’ in remote reserves, as they may well be covered by management
> plans, standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. Such
> regulations or standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such
> ‘tracks’ are not publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the
> managing authority prior to adding such tracks.
>
>
>
> Even though I cringe at a Don'tRender=yes tag, instead of self censoring
> our database, I'd rather add a tag to say the operator requests not to
> display these tracks to users. For me OSM is still a database not a map, so
> using such a tag makes the data more accurate and lets the real map
> publishers who use OSM data decide what to show or not. While still
> allowing researchers, park management and the interested public to see
> what's going on in the park in terms of actual informal/unauthorised trails
> exist.
>
>
>
> Are there any park management plans which include these clases? I'm
> interested to take a look and see what other places it applies too.
>
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[OSM-talk-ie] A big thank you to ...

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Big thanks are due to ...

DaCor and a few other contributors for cutting down the number of open map 
notes in Ireland from about 2,000 to about 600 over the last 2 months. Lists of 
open notes can be seen here: 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Ireland and here: 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=United%20Kingdom or in this 
view of the map. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/new#map=10/53.3391/-6.8939=N ** It 
would be good if people could respond to outstanding notes within their area of 
knowledge. **

brianh for the vast amount of mapping he has done of Church of Ireland features 
and then rationalising the tagging of those features. The number of 
denomination=anglican objects has gone from about 500 objects 2 years ago to 
about 3,300 objects this week, including many parish boundaries. The number of 
anglican=Church of Ireland objects has gone from about 200 objects 2 years ago 
to about 3,300 objects this week.

Thank you

Colm

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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Kim Oldfield]

Will this cause copyright problems, particularly as many government 
agencies don't understand the benefits of open licenses?


On 25/10/20 5:31 pm, Little Maps wrote:
MAPPERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PERUSE RESERVE MANAGEMENT PLANS ON THE WEB 
OR TO DISCUSS EDITS WITH AGENCY STAFF WHEN CONSIDERING ADDING TRACKS 
IN CONSERVATION RESERVES.


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[Talk-at] Online Stammtisch

[scubbx]

Hallo, Leute!

Am Donnerstag, dem *29.10.2020*, ab 19:00 Uhr wird ein *virtueller **
**OpenStreetMap Stammtisch* stattfinden!
Der Wiener Hackerspace Metalab (https://metalab.at/) hat uns erlaubt,
deren Jitsi-Server für einen Online-Stammtisch zu benutzen.

Die URL zur Teilnahme lautet: *https://meet.metalab.at/OSMStammtischWien*

Die Website des Stammtisches ist weiterhin: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Wien/Stammtisch 



Die Online-Variante bringt einige Vorzüge, aber auch Nachteile mit sich:

+ Die räumliche Distanz ist kein Hindernis mehr! Egal, ob man in Wien 
sitzt oder in Graz - die Teilnahme ist für alle mit dem gleichen Aufwand 
verbunden


- Es kann nicht jeder zeitgleich mit jedem Quasseln. Aber dieses Manko 
wandeln wir in ein (+) um, denn:


+ Es gibt ein loses Programm. Wenn ihr ein Thema habt, das ihr jetzt 
schon aufgelistet haben wollt, bitte teilt es mit oder tragt es auf der 
Wiki-Seite ein, ansonsten landet dieses unter "Weitere Punkte" am Ende 
der Liste


Ob die Bandbreite dafür ausreicht, dass wir alle mittels Video 
teilnehmen, werden wir sehen - stellt euch aber eher darauf ein, dass 
wir die Videoübertragung möglicherweise auf 1-2 Leute gleichzeitig 
beschränken werden müssen.
Was nach verschiedenen Erfahrungen immer von Vorteil ist, ist einen ganz 
aktuellen Browser zu benutzen.


Ich freue mich, euch online zu treffen,
Markus (ScubbX)

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Re: [Talk-de] Evangelische Kirchen in Deutschland

[Günther Zinsberger]

Hallo!

Danke für die Idee und die Overpass-Abfrage, damit habe ich jetzt auch 
in Österreich schon ein paar Kirchen korrigieren können.


Schöne Grüße
Günther

Am 25.10.20 um 19:31 schrieb Thorsten:

Liebe Mitstreiter,

in Deutschland ist eine Unmenge von Kirchen als denomination=evangelical 
getaggt. Das in den meisten Fällen vermutlich falsch: Evangelisch muss als 
denomination=protestant getaggt werden; evangelical bedeutet evangelikal, das 
ist etwas völlig anderes 
(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelikalismus#Deutschland) 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denomination#Christian_denominations).
Ich möchte mir erlauben, dazu aufzurufen, bei den Kirchen in seiner Umgebung zu 
überprüfen, ob es sich um evangelische oder evangelikale Kirchen handelt und 
entsprechend richtigzustellen. (Wer suchen möchte: 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ZnO)

Schöne Sonntagsgrüße
Thorsten


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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Phil Wyatt]

Thanks Ian,

 

We could actually just use the word ‘reserves’ given there are so many 
different types across the country and the request could be in any type of 
reserved land.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Little Maps  
Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2020 5:32 PM
To: OSM Aust Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

 

Hi Phil, thanks for drafting this, it’s great to have a concrete statement to 
discuss. I agree with the broad sentiment but suggest two changes, one minor 
and the other more substantive, as follows (deletions in strike through and 
additions in all caps)

 

4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes and 
pads’ in remote CONSERVATION reserves, as they may well be covered by 
management plans, standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. 
Such regulations or standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such 
‘tracks’ are not publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the 
managing authority prior to adding such tracks. MAPPERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO 
PERUSE RESERVE MANAGEMENT PLANS ON THE WEB OR TO DISCUSS EDITS WITH AGENCY 
STAFF WHEN CONSIDERING ADDING TRACKS IN CONSERVATION RESERVES.

 

 

Rationale for changes... (1) not all sensitive areas are remote, and many 
issues arise in reserves close to major cities. (2). Understanding the broader 
context surrounding a potential mapping change may well be a hallmark of good 
mapping, but mappers bear no responsibility to await a decision from a 
management agency *before* they add or edit tracks.





A likely response from an under-staffed government agency to an unknown mapper 
is something like, “Thank you for your message. Your call is important to us. 
We will endeavour to respond to you at the earliest opportunity.” Repeatedly. I 
would suggest that a less declarative statement is far more appropriate in this 
instance.

 

 Thanks once again, I appreciate everyone’s input on the issue. Best wishes Ian

 

 

On 25 Oct 2020, at 10:59 am, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:



Hi Folks,

 

For the Australian Tagging Guidelines can I suggest the following text as point 
4 under bushwalking and Cycling Tracks Notes….

 

4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes and 
pads’ in remote reserves, as they may well be covered by management plans, 
standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. Such regulations or 
standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such ‘tracks’ are not 
publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the managing authority 
prior to adding such tracks.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

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Re: [Talk-it] Import civici Milano - preview

[Luca Delucchi]

On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 17:29, Alessandro via Talk-it
 wrote:
>
> Scusa Martin, ma ora oltre a fare il survey bisogna anche impegnarsi a
> manutenere i dati? Stiamo scherzando vero?
>

anch'io la penso come martin, fai un import e poi sparisci e si fa la
fine dei confini comunali che fanno ancora cagare.

> Alessandro
>

-- 
ciao
Luca

www.lucadelu.org

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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Andrew,

 

There is a document here that spells out how the Tasmanian PWS uses the various 
track classification schemes. Search for ‘publicity’ to get to the 
classifications that should not be on maps.

 

https://parks.tas.gov.au/Documents/Walking_Track_Classification_Policy_.pdf

 

and an evaluation report on track management in general

 

https://parks.tas.gov.au/Documents/Evaluation_Report__Back-country_walking_track_management_in_the_Tasmanian_Wilderness_WHA.pdf

 

I can load up the actual walking track strategies if you like but they are 
hefty volumes!

 

From: Andrew Harvey  
Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2020 10:57 PM
To: Phil Wyatt 
Cc: Little Maps ; OSM Aust Discussion List 

Subject: Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

 

 

 

On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 11:02, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

For the Australian Tagging Guidelines can I suggest the following text as point 
4 under bushwalking and Cycling Tracks Notes….

 

4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes and 
pads’ in remote reserves, as they may well be covered by management plans, 
standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. Such regulations or 
standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such ‘tracks’ are not 
publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the managing authority 
prior to adding such tracks.

 

Even though I cringe at a Don'tRender=yes tag, instead of self censoring our 
database, I'd rather add a tag to say the operator requests not to display 
these tracks to users. For me OSM is still a database not a map, so using such 
a tag makes the data more accurate and lets the real map publishers who use OSM 
data decide what to show or not. While still allowing researchers, park 
management and the interested public to see what's going on in the park in 
terms of actual informal/unauthorised trails exist.

 

Are there any park management plans which include these clases? I'm interested 
to take a look and see what other places it applies too.

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Re: [Talk-it] Casa dell'acqua

[Andrea Musuruane]

Anch'io ho sempre fatto come Federico:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6225393812

BTW, amenity=dispenser era una proposta che è stata abbandonata e veniva
proposto excrement_bags come unico valore per dispenser=*.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dispenser

Ciao,

Andrea



On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 9:16 PM Federico Cortese 
wrote:

> Io ne ho mappate molte in provincia di Lecce, tutte con
> amenity=vending_machine, questo un esempio
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7148467856.
>
> Ciao,
> Federico
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Re: [Talk-it] Casa dell'acqua

[Federico Cortese]

Io ne ho mappate molte in provincia di Lecce, tutte con
amenity=vending_machine, questo un esempio
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7148467856.

Ciao,
Federico
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Mike Thompson]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mario Frasca  wrote:

> Hi.  this is funny, I recently opened an issue with AllTrails, about
> them not attributing the map.
>
> I wonder if we're talking about the same thing: their Android App shows
> a bright colourful Google logo on top of whatever map you configure as
> your base map.

I was talking specifically about their website.  I should have also checked
their app, but I didn't.  My understanding is that regardless of whose
basemap is displayed, the trail in AllTrails come from OSM.  I can reach
out to Ron again about this separate issue if you would like.  Let me know.

Mike
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Re: [talk-cz] Připojení el. vedení na trafostanice

[r00t via talk-cz]

Ahoj,


> Ještě bych měl jeden dotaz, jak uvádět výkon trafostanice (v kVA) existuje
> na to vhodný parametr?
existuje, klic "rating" viz 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Tagging

> A když má trafostanice více transformátorů?
Pokud je to opet jenom sloup/stozar na kterem je vic transformatoru potom staci 
devices=2 atd.
Kdyz jde o budovu tak umistit dovnitr vic bodu power=transformer - casto je 
dobre videt kde jsou
podle dveri na kterych byva cedule T1, T2, ... nebo jsou primo videt z venku. 
Ale tohle opravdu
mapuju jenom u vetsich rozvoden, pro male veze jako jsou na vesnicich davam 
vsechny potrebne tagy
primo na budovu, myslim ze to tak bohate staci.

Mapovani velkych trafostanic je jeste o neco slozitejsi: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement
Nejlepsi je si nejakou velkou, co je pekne zmapovana v OSM prostudovat co se 
tyce pouzitych tagu atd.


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Re: [talk-cz] Připojení el. vedení na trafostanice

[Tomáš Oslzlý]

Ještě bych měl jeden dotaz, jak uvádět výkon trafostanice (v kVA), existuje
na to vhodný parametr? A když má trafostanice více transformátorů?

ne 25. 10. 2020 v 18:06 odesílatel Tomáš Oslzlý 
napsal:

> Děkuji moc za vysvětlení! :)
>
> ne 25. 10. 2020 v 17:54 odesílatel r00t via talk-cz <
> talk-cz@openstreetmap.org> napsal:
>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> Pokud je trafostanice na sloupu, tak tagovat jako:
>> power=pole
>> transformer=yes
>> transformer=distribution
>> (+ a pridat dalsi tagy jako napeti, ref, ...)
>>
>> Substation se v tom pripade nepouzije, protoze sloup je lepsi popis
>> reality.
>> Substation se pouziva pro budovy (building=transformer_tower) nebo
>> rozvodny v budovach
>> a kioscich (male nizke betonove kontejnery).
>>
>> Obecne by vedeni nikdy nemelo nekde jen tak koncit. Vzdy by na konci melo
>> byt neco z nasledujich
>> moznosti:
>> - dalsi vedeni
>> - sloup s location:transition (vede do zeme)
>> - sloup s transformer=yes
>> - budova na ktere je bod power=terminal
>> - power=bay (pripojeni ve velkych rozvodnach)
>> - sloup s fixme=Continue (pridavam vzdy na nedokoncene vedeni kdyz mapuji)
>>
>> Obcas clovek narazi na zrusene vedeni ktere opravu konci nekde v polich,
>> v takovem pripade je dobre
>> pridat note="Vedeni tu konci", nebo "zbytek zruseno" atd. aby bylo jasno.
>>
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Re: [Talk-de] Evangelische Kirchen in Deutschland

[Martin Scholtes]

Hallo,

das klingt nach einerm Aufruf für den Wochen-Schwerpunkt. Würdest du das 
mal vorschlagen: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Schwerpunkt_der_Woche#Schwerpunktideendepot



Gruß

Am 25.10.2020 um 19:31 schrieb Thorsten:

Liebe Mitstreiter,

in Deutschland ist eine Unmenge von Kirchen als denomination=evangelical 
getaggt. Das in den meisten Fällen vermutlich falsch: Evangelisch muss als 
denomination=protestant getaggt werden; evangelical bedeutet evangelikal, das 
ist etwas völlig anderes 
(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelikalismus#Deutschland) 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denomination#Christian_denominations).
Ich möchte mir erlauben, dazu aufzurufen, bei den Kirchen in seiner Umgebung zu 
überprüfen, ob es sich um evangelische oder evangelikale Kirchen handelt und 
entsprechend richtigzustellen. (Wer suchen möchte: 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ZnO)

Schöne Sonntagsgrüße
Thorsten


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[Talk-de] Evangelische Kirchen in Deutschland

[Thorsten]

Liebe Mitstreiter,

in Deutschland ist eine Unmenge von Kirchen als denomination=evangelical 
getaggt. Das in den meisten Fällen vermutlich falsch: Evangelisch muss als 
denomination=protestant getaggt werden; evangelical bedeutet evangelikal, das 
ist etwas völlig anderes 
(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelikalismus#Deutschland) 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denomination#Christian_denominations).
Ich möchte mir erlauben, dazu aufzurufen, bei den Kirchen in seiner Umgebung zu 
überprüfen, ob es sich um evangelische oder evangelikale Kirchen handelt und 
entsprechend richtigzustellen. (Wer suchen möchte: 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ZnO)

Schöne Sonntagsgrüße
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Mario Frasca]

Hi.  this is funny, I recently opened an issue with AllTrails, about 
them not attributing the map.


I wonder if we're talking about the same thing: their Android App shows 
a bright colourful Google logo on top of whatever map you configure as 
your base map.  in particular, it can be shown on top of the standard 
OSM map.  there is attribution, but it's in a pop-up window.  to 
activate this window you need eagle eyes, and spot a faint low contrast 
circled lowercase letter "i" (like an info sign, but as said, small, low 
contrast), once spotted, you have to be able to activate it, which isn't 
easy since this widget is on second plane half hidden behind a large 
high contrast + widget.  Attribution in this pop up window is first to 
Mapbox, then to OpenStreetMap, this sequence is so even if you're 
looking at our standard OSM map, and you're not looking at anything 
belonging to Mapbox.


anyhow, the issue with AllTrails is #125657.

on the 18th of October, that's 7 days ago, I wrote about this to 
legal-questi...@osmfoundation.org (which was redirected to 
d...@openstreetmap.org), then again to le...@osmfoundation.org, and I'm 
not so sure what's the status of the call, because our issue tracking 
system assigned my report to the DWG, while it's clearly a LWG issue.


I did correct the wiki page on our wiki, I can't edit the wrong 
information at 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group.  I 
mentioned this already on the #osm channel at the oftc irc server.


anyhow, it's several issue shere, only one related to AllTrails, most 
are about our bad organization.


best regards,

Mario Frasca

On 10/09/2020 09:12, miketho16 at gmail.com (Mike Thompson) wrote:

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:02 PM Mike Thompson  wrote:


Has anyone tried contacting the AllTrails[0] people about their use of OSM
without attribution?  I am not talking about the "OSM Map Layer" that they
offer, but rather the default "AllTrails Map Layer."  At the very least it
appears that the trails on that layer come from OSM.  I know that because I
have entered some rather obscure informal trails in OSMe, and they show up
in AllTrails just as I entered them in OSM.
Mike

[0] https://www.alltrails.com/ (in the search box enter the name of a
trail, park, or city to see their map.)


It looks like AllTrails now correctly attributes OpenStreetMap.  Those of
you more familiar with the licensing might want to chime in and let me know
if simply stating "(c) OpenStreetMap" instead of "(c) OpenStreetMap
Contributors" is adequate (also, keep in mind that only some of their map
data comes from OSM).  If it is adequate, I will send Ron a note thanking
him, and starting the conversation between him and the DWG about AllTrails
directing data issues directly to the DWG.

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Re: [talk-cz] Připojení el. vedení na trafostanice

[Tomáš Oslzlý]

Děkuji moc za vysvětlení! :)

ne 25. 10. 2020 v 17:54 odesílatel r00t via talk-cz <
talk-cz@openstreetmap.org> napsal:

> Ahoj,
>
> Pokud je trafostanice na sloupu, tak tagovat jako:
> power=pole
> transformer=yes
> transformer=distribution
> (+ a pridat dalsi tagy jako napeti, ref, ...)
>
> Substation se v tom pripade nepouzije, protoze sloup je lepsi popis
> reality.
> Substation se pouziva pro budovy (building=transformer_tower) nebo
> rozvodny v budovach
> a kioscich (male nizke betonove kontejnery).
>
> Obecne by vedeni nikdy nemelo nekde jen tak koncit. Vzdy by na konci melo
> byt neco z nasledujich
> moznosti:
> - dalsi vedeni
> - sloup s location:transition (vede do zeme)
> - sloup s transformer=yes
> - budova na ktere je bod power=terminal
> - power=bay (pripojeni ve velkych rozvodnach)
> - sloup s fixme=Continue (pridavam vzdy na nedokoncene vedeni kdyz mapuji)
>
> Obcas clovek narazi na zrusene vedeni ktere opravu konci nekde v polich, v
> takovem pripade je dobre
> pridat note="Vedeni tu konci", nebo "zbytek zruseno" atd. aby bylo jasno.
>
> r00tcz
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Re: [talk-cz] Připojení el. vedení na trafostanice

[Tomáš Oslzlý]

Mirku, je to takto správně? Protože tvoje trafostanice se takto nezobrazuje
na OIM:
https://openinframap.org/#17.72/49.207398/16.395986

Já označuji sloupové trafostanice takto:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8013360655

Trochu jsem kopíroval ostatní, tak, aby se na OIM tyto trafostanice
zobrazovaly (i s příslušeným názvem a ref. číslem, když je k dispozici).

ne 25. 10. 2020 v 17:24 odesílatel Miroslav Suchý 
napsal:

> Dne 25. 10. 20 v 17:19 Tomáš Oslzlý napsal(a):
> > Zdravím, jakým způsobem lze připojit el. vedení na sloupovou či
> > stožárovou trafostanici? Pokud je trafostanice v mapě pouze jako bod
> > (substation), nelze na ni připnout vedení.
> >
> > Díval jsem se, jak je to řešeno v místech, kde je již vedení zmapované
> > a buď na konci linky, kde je trafo na sloupu/stožáru, není místo vůbec
> > nijak označeno a vedení tam jednoduše končí, nebo je označeno jako
> > "energetický bod".
> >
> > Nebo trafostanice značím špatně a měli by být na mapě úplně jinak?
>
> Já to dělám takto:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7352626628
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:transformer?uselang=cs
>
> Mirek
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Re: [talk-cz] Připojení el. vedení na trafostanice

[r00t via talk-cz]

Ahoj,

Pokud je trafostanice na sloupu, tak tagovat jako:
power=pole
transformer=yes
transformer=distribution
(+ a pridat dalsi tagy jako napeti, ref, ...)

Substation se v tom pripade nepouzije, protoze sloup je lepsi popis reality.
Substation se pouziva pro budovy (building=transformer_tower) nebo rozvodny v 
budovach
a kioscich (male nizke betonove kontejnery).

Obecne by vedeni nikdy nemelo nekde jen tak koncit. Vzdy by na konci melo byt 
neco z nasledujich
moznosti:
- dalsi vedeni
- sloup s location:transition (vede do zeme)
- sloup s transformer=yes
- budova na ktere je bod power=terminal
- power=bay (pripojeni ve velkych rozvodnach)
- sloup s fixme=Continue (pridavam vzdy na nedokoncene vedeni kdyz mapuji)

Obcas clovek narazi na zrusene vedeni ktere opravu konci nekde v polich, v 
takovem pripade je dobre
pridat note="Vedeni tu konci", nebo "zbytek zruseno" atd. aby bylo jasno.

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Re: [Talk-it] Casa dell'acqua

[scratera]

..io ci metterei
amenity=dispdenser
dispenser=water
..oltre al tag building=hut



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Re: [Talk-it] Import civici Milano - preview

[Alessandro via Talk-it]

Il 25/10/20 13:07, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
 


 se questi mappatori saltassero fuori ed avessero
interesse ad assumersi la responsabilità ed il onere di mantenere e 
migliorare questi dati




Scusa Martin, ma ora oltre a fare il survey bisogna anche impegnarsi a 
manutenere i dati? Stiamo scherzando vero?


Alessandro

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Re: [talk-cz] Připojení el. vedení na trafostanice

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 25. 10. 20 v 17:19 Tomáš Oslzlý napsal(a):
Zdravím, jakým způsobem lze připojit el. vedení na sloupovou či 
stožárovou trafostanici? Pokud je trafostanice v mapě pouze jako bod 
(substation), nelze na ni připnout vedení.


Díval jsem se, jak je to řešeno v místech, kde je již vedení zmapované 
a buď na konci linky, kde je trafo na sloupu/stožáru, není místo vůbec 
nijak označeno a vedení tam jednoduše končí, nebo je označeno jako 
"energetický bod".


Nebo trafostanice značím špatně a měli by být na mapě úplně jinak?


Já to dělám takto:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7352626628

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:transformer?uselang=cs

Mirek

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[talk-cz] Připojení el. vedení na trafostanice

[Tomáš Oslzlý]

Zdravím, jakým způsobem lze připojit el. vedení na sloupovou či stožárovou
trafostanici? Pokud je trafostanice v mapě pouze jako bod (substation),
nelze na ni připnout vedení.

Díval jsem se, jak je to řešeno v místech, kde je již vedení zmapované a
buď na konci linky, kde je trafo na sloupu/stožáru, není místo vůbec nijak
označeno a vedení tam jednoduše končí, nebo je označeno jako "energetický
bod".

Nebo trafostanice značím špatně a měli by být na mapě úplně jinak?
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Re: [Talk-it] Casa dell'acqua

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 25. Oct 2020, at 15:00, Cascafico Giovanni  wrote:
> 
> Io opto per la seconda soluzione, visto che la prima implica un terzo tag 
> fee=yes


anch’io, anche perché amenity=drinking_water per me implica gratis. Certamente 
dovremmo altrimenti aggiungere il tag ad una marea di oggetti se dovesse 
includere anche luoghi dove si può acquistare acqua...


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[Cascafico Giovanni]

Io opto per la seconda soluzione, visto che la prima implica un terzo tag
fee=yes

Il building=hut

Il dom 25 ott 2020, 14:17 Manuel  ha scritto:

> Case dell'acqua: ho provato a guardare la situazione per capire quali tag
> utilizzare, ma ci sono diversi modi. Innanzitutto: quale tag specifico?
> amenity=drinking_water+bottle=yes oppure
> amenity=vending_machine+vending=water? Se è una piccola casetta (tipo
> questa
> )
> che tipo di building=* devo utilizzare?
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[OSM-talk-fr] Twitt :: OpenData :: Caftez !!

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Au sein du réseau des plateformes de données territoriales, ce sont 
désormais 200 portails #opendata et #IDG locales #geodata qui convergent 
et exposent leurs catalogues


https://airtable.com/shrWxHPi2XjLu9xtM/tblwklJPsyayeH5lX

Si vous repérez des oublis, merci de le signaler



https://twitter.com/LoicHay/status/1316661482873028609



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[Talk-it] Casa dell'acqua

[Manuel]

Case dell'acqua: ho provato a guardare la situazione per capire quali tag utilizzare, 
ma ci sono diversi modi. Innanzitutto: quale tag specifico? 
amenity=drinking_water+bottle=yes oppure amenity=vending_machine+vending=water? Se è 
una piccola casetta (tipo questa 
)
 che tipo di building=* devo utilizzare?

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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 535,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

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[OSM-talk-ie] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 535,
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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

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[Talk-in] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 535,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13855/

Enjoy! 

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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 535,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13855/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
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[Talk-africa] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 535,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13855/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
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[Talk-de] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

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Die Wochennotiz Ausgabe Nr. # 535, ist nun verfügbar - 
wie immer mit vielen Nachrichten aus dem OSM-Universium:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/de/archives/13855/

Viel Spaß beim Lesen.  

Euer Wochennotizteam

Wusstet ihr, dass ihr auch selbst Meldungen für die Wochennotiz
einreichen könnt? Einfach auf https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/ 
mit eurem OSM-Benutzerkonto anmelden und dann den Gastzugang benutzen. 

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[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 535, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : 

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/13855/

Aproveite!

Você sabia que também pode enviar mensagens para o OSM semanal/semanárioOSMſ 
sem ser membro? Basta fazer login em https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login com 
sua conta OSM e usar a conta de convidado. Leia mais sobre como escrever um 
post aqui: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

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[Talk-pt] semanárioOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 535, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : 

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/13855/

Aproveite!

Você sabia que também pode enviar mensagens para o OSM semanal/semanárioOSMſ 
sem ser membro? Basta fazer login em https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login com 
sua conta OSM e usar a conta de convidado. Leia mais sobre como escrever um 
post aqui: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

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[Talk-it] weeklyOSM #535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[weeklyteam]

Il settimanale di notizie su OSM, numero # 535, è ora disponibile online in 
italiano, 
fornendo come sempre un riassunto di molte cose che accadono nel mondo 
OpenStreetMap: 

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/it/archives/13855/

Buona lettura! 

Sai che possono anche inviare messaggi per il weeklyOSM? Basta effettuare il 
login 
su https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con il tuo account OSM. 

Per saperne di più su come scrivere un messaggio, leggi qui: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 
weeklyOSM? 

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[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 535, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13855/

¡Disfruta!

¿Sabías que también puedes enviar mensajes para la nota semanal sin ser 
miembro? Simplemente ingresa a https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con tu 
cuenta de OSM. Lee más sobre cómo escribir una publicación aquí: 
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[Talk-es] semanarioOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 535, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13855/

¡Disfruta!

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miembro? Simplemente ingresa a https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con tu 
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[talk-latam] semanarioOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 535, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13855/

¡Disfruta!

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miembro? Simplemente ingresa a https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con tu 
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[Talk-bo] semanarioOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 535, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13855/

¡Disfruta!

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miembro? Simplemente ingresa a https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con tu 
cuenta de OSM. Lee más sobre cómo escribir una publicación aquí: 
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[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 535, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13855/

¡Disfruta!

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miembro? Simplemente ingresa a https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con tu 
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[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 535, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13855/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-ca] hebdoOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 535 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13855/

Bonne lecture !

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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 535 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13855/

Bonne lecture !

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[Talk-ht] hebdoOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 535 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13855/

Bonne lecture !

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[Talk-africa] hebdoOSM Nº 535 2020-10-13-2020-10-19

[theweekly . osm]

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 535 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13855/

Bonne lecture !

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Re: [Talk-es] Marcos Martinez replied to you in: Para QUÈ y CÒMO se debe usar Loomio

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola,

Aprovecho para hacer una prueba y comentar sobre el tema de Loomio.

Lo hago a la vez en la lista y respondo por mail en Loomio.

Y respondo a Marcos (el hilo está abajo) para decir que sigo pensando que
la cosa esta aun muy poco verde. A penas una ecena de usuarios hemos
entrado en Loomio y lo hemos usados. Sinembargo creo que podemos ir
moviéndonos para estudiar una integración en la lista. Quizá esta prueba
sea una buena técnica.

Saludos

Miguel

On Sun, 25 Oct 2020, 12:11 Marcos Martinez (loomio.yourcityracing.com), <
notificati...@anastutia.com> wrote:

> 
>
> [image: Marcos Martinez]
> *Marcos Martinez* replied to you in: Para QUÈ y CÒMO se debe usar Loomio
> 
>
> El hilo de la lista que inicié pretendía precisamente esto, en "Fase 1"
> avisar a toda la gente para que lo pruebe a fondo sin compromiso, sin
> excluir a nadie. Es por esto que sugerí llevar unos debates aquí y si no
> gusta ya estaremos alerta a cualquier otra cosa. Pero si pensamos que es
> mejor y útil, pasamos a la "Fase 2", que es comprobar cómo se puede
> incorporar/hacer compatible con la existente estructura técnica y de
> procesos. Lo del servidor de la Universidad de Zaragoza es genial y abre
> muchas posibilidades, te lo agradezco un montón.
>
> Aviso: no tengo conocimientos de informática propiamente dicho, así que
> perdonarme si estoy diciendo burradas o evidencias.
>
> Supongamos que estamos en Fase 2, que opciones tendríamos:
>
>1.
>
>Lo ideal sería que la lista y Loomio pudiera interactuar para que los
>debates de aquí se reflejen en la lista de forma más automática posible y
>que a los que les pegue palo usar otra herramienta puedan participar en
>debates de Loomio también desde la lista por mail. Se puede conseguir algo
>por el estilo de forma elegante? Entiendo que para votar siempre se tiene
>que entrar en Loomio.
>2.
>
>Si el punto uno no es posible, qué opciones aceptables tendríamos?
>Sería aceptable llevar el debate en Loomio y al iniciar como concluir
>enviar un mail de a la lista con el aviso o con el thread completo de
>Loomio adjunto y un resumen con el resultado respectivamente?
>
> Respecto a Telegram: No veo problema en que la gente comente cosas por
> allí, es muy rápido y ágil. Puedes consultar dudas, informar sobre algo que
> te ha llamado la atención, contar un chiste o cagarte en un changeset y su
> usuario. Todo esto efímero y NO debe pasar a la lista, excepto si hay una
> duda que genera disputa y que necesita una resolución, si hay problemas con
> usuarios a partir de un límite o cuando hay información de primer nivel que
> vale la pena poner en conocimiento de toda la comunidad. Humildemente creo
> que la gente no lo pasa a la lista porque da la sensación que allí el tema
> o se pudrirá o se eternalizará. Tengo la esperanza que pasar a algo como
> Loomio hará que esto cambie y que los debates relevantes se lleven aquí -
> con todas las ventajas que esto conllevaría.
>
> —
> Reply to this email directly or view it on loomio.yourcityracing.com
> .
>
> Change your email preferences
> .
>
> [image: Logo]
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au]

Important thing to note is that
while nothing makes you obligated
to map tracks in some area,
recommendations/guidelines like this
are not allowing you to delete existing objects
mapped by someone else.

25 Oct 2020, 07:31 by mapslit...@gmail.com:

> Hi Phil, thanks for drafting this, it’s great to have a concrete statement to 
> discuss. I agree with the broad sentiment but suggest two changes, one minor 
> and the other more substantive, as follows (deletions in strike through 
> and additions in all caps)
>
>
> 4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes and 
> pads’ in > remote>  CONSERVATION reserves, as they may well be covered by 
> management plans, standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. 
> Such regulations or standards (> AS2156 <>> )  may request that the location 
> of such ‘tracks’ are not publicised on maps. > You should seek clarification 
> from the managing authority prior to adding such tracks. > MAPPERS ARE 
> ENCOURAGED TO PERUSE RESERVE MANAGEMENT PLANS ON THE WEB OR TO DISCUSS EDITS 
> WITH AGENCY STAFF WHEN CONSIDERING ADDING TRACKS IN CONSERVATION RESERVES.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rationale for changes... (1) not all sensitive areas are remote, and many 
> issues arise in reserves close to major cities. (2). Understanding the 
> broader context surrounding a potential mapping change may well be a hallmark 
> of good mapping, but mappers bear no responsibility to await a decision from 
> a management agency *before* they add or edit tracks.
>
>
>
>
>
> A likely response from an under-staffed government agency to an unknown 
> mapper is something like, “Thank you for your message. Your call is important 
> to us. We will endeavour to respond to you at the earliest opportunity.” 
> Repeatedly. I would suggest that a less declarative statement is far more 
> appropriate in this instance.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thanks once again, I appreciate everyone’s input on the issue. Best wishes 
> Ian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 25 Oct 2020, at 10:59 am, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> For the Australian Tagging Guidelines can I suggest the following text as 
>> point 4 under bushwalking and Cycling Tracks Notes….
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> 4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes and 
>> pads’ in remote reserves, as they may well be covered by management plans, 
>> standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. Such regulations 
>> or standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such ‘tracks’ are 
>> not publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the managing 
>> authority prior to adding such tracks.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Cheers - Phil
>>
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Import civici Milano - preview

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Fr., 23. Okt. 2020 um 14:25 Uhr schrieb Cascafico Giovanni <
cascaf...@gmail.com>:

> Il 23/10/20, Andrea Musuruane ha scritto:
> > Ripeto anche qui quanto ho detto sulla ML internazionale.
> >
> > Fino a quando la comunità milanese non si impegnerà in questo progetto
> con un po' di persone, per me non è opportuno procedere. Vorrei veramente
> evitare problemi analoghi a quanto successo a Bergamo.
>
> A Bergamo non c'è stata nessuna comunità coinvolta: è stata iniziativa
> di un singolo senza nessuna discussione.
>
> Per Milano, sono ottimista sul fatto che salterà fuori un manipolo di
> mappatori per innescare il processo, almeno partendo dal municipio 5
> che ha solo 4k nodi.



io sto con Andrea, se questi mappatori saltassero fuori ed avessero
interesse ad assumersi la responsabilità ed il onere di mantenere e
migliorare questi dati, ben venga, ma dovrebbe accadere adesso, durante la
discussione. Non possiamo presumere che adesso stanno tutti zitti ma poi
salteranno fuori appena versiamo una mole di dati sopra le loro teste ;-)

Ciao
Martin
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Andrew Harvey]

On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 11:02, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> For the Australian Tagging Guidelines can I suggest the following text as
> point 4 under bushwalking and Cycling Tracks Notes….
>
>
>
> 4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes
> and pads’ in remote reserves, as they may well be covered by management
> plans, standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. Such
> regulations or standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such
> ‘tracks’ are not publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the
> managing authority prior to adding such tracks.
>

Even though I cringe at a Don'tRender=yes tag, instead of self censoring
our database, I'd rather add a tag to say the operator requests not to
display these tracks to users. For me OSM is still a database not a map, so
using such a tag makes the data more accurate and lets the real map
publishers who use OSM data decide what to show or not. While still
allowing researchers, park management and the interested public to see
what's going on in the park in terms of actual informal/unauthorised trails
exist.

Are there any park management plans which include these clases? I'm
interested to take a look and see what other places it applies too.
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Re: [Talk-it] [Daje!] Farmacie, dataset e licenza

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

scusate il rant, ma non si può più, le PA italiane (e non solo) cambiano di
continuo gli URL di qualsiasi sito e contenuto che hanno sotto controllo
(al meno questo è la mia impressione soggettiva), con la conseguenza che
tutti i link diffusi nel mondo non funzionano più. Lo vedo anche a livello
comunale. Come si può fare per alzare l'attenzione? E`incompetenza o dolo?

Ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] [Daje!] Farmacie, dataset e licenza

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Fr., 23. Okt. 2020 um 08:42 Uhr schrieb Antonio Carpentieri <
a.ca...@gmail.com>:

> la iodl 2 la potete trovare qui [1]
>
> Ciao,
> A
>
> [1] https://www.dati.gov.it/content/italian-open-data-license-v20




quindi volendo potremmo dire che la licenza vale, anche se solo il nome
della licenza era stato dato, perché non era possibile allegare la licenza
o un link?
Questo è cosa dice la licenza: "indicare la fonte delle Informazioni e il
nome del Licenziante, includendo, se possibile, una copia di questa licenza
o un collegamento (link) ad essa."

la necessità esiste solo "se possibile".

Comunque, dati.gov.it, dopo aver avuto la geniale idea di cambiare la URL
per la licenza con cui rilasciano la maggior parte dei dati, aveva anche
impostato un reindirizzamento 301, visibile per esempio qui:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200410052344/https://www.dati.gov.it/iodl/2.0

Solo che nel seguito ad un certo punto si è perso...

Ciao
Martin

PS: Domanda, se dovessero arrivare alla versione 20, la URL sarà v200?
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Re: [talk-cz] Mazání nepohodlných dat z OSM

[Jakub Jelen]

Ahoj,

Nevypada to, ze by se neco zmenilo, tak jsem pridal jeste komentar do
changesetu [1] a pokud se neozve, tak asi revert + dwg, rekneme za tyden?

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/92219948

Jakub

On 10/21/20 6:51 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Wed 2020-10-21 11:08:41, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
>> Dne 21. 10. 20 v 1:29 Pavel Machek napsal(a):
>>> Cas na spolupraci s data working group? Tohle je normalni vandalismus...
>> Není. Z pohledu Gornyho je to tak, že se snaží udělat svět lepší (smazat
>> cesty z mapy a tím zamezit nelegálním jízdám v lese). Vandalismus je vědomé
>> poškozování.
>>
>> Gorny se prostě mýlí a je třeba mu to vysvětlit.
> V tom lese se da legalne chodit pesky, a on smazal i to ze tam je
> highway=path.
>
> Takze ja bych hlasoval pro vysvetleni ze strany data working group
> :-).
>   Pavel
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Règle Osmose pour tag brand:wikipedia

[Romain MEHUT]

Merci c'est bien ce que pensais aussi. J'ai complété mon commentaire sur 
le changeset.


Romain

Le 24/10/2020 à 22:16, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :

Bonjour, les suggestions d'Osmose sont des suggestions.

Ici le suggestion-index est une belle c... : wikidata est neutre.

Le "bon" article Wikipédia est usuellement celui du pays où est la 
filiale.


Je remets régulièrement des fr:Système U alors que iD suggère de
modifier en en:Système U.

C'est crétin : c'est une entreprise française exerçant en France.
L'article en anglais est évidemment plus pauvre.

Donc la bonne page c'est par défaut la page dans la langue par défaut du
pays.

Jean-Yvon

Le 24/10/2020 à 21:55, Romain MEHUT - romain.me...@mailo.com a écrit :

Bonsoir,

Dans ce changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/92924630
j'ai demandé pourquoi la valeur au tag brand:wikipedia n'était pas la
déclinaison française. La réponse est que c'est une suggestion d'Osmose.

Ne priorise-t-on pas la valeur fr (s'agissant du territoire français
bien sûr) ?

Merci pour vos éclairages.

Romain




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[Diversity-talk] Some thoughts on upcoming governance

[Heather Leson]

Dears the OSMF board elections are coming soon. The current board has done
good work.

How can we support a diverse and inclusive board? I think we should all
help make this happen
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Heather%20Leson/diary/394553

Thoughts?

Heather

Heather Leson
heatherle...@gmail.com
Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
Blog: textontechs.com
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Little Maps]

Hi Phil, thanks for drafting this, it’s great to have a concrete statement to 
discuss. I agree with the broad sentiment but suggest two changes, one minor 
and the other more substantive, as follows (deletions in strike through and 
additions in all caps)

4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes and 
pads’ in remote CONSERVATION reserves, as they may well be covered by 
management plans, standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. 
Such regulations or standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such 
‘tracks’ are not publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the 
managing authority prior to adding such tracks. MAPPERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO 
PERUSE RESERVE MANAGEMENT PLANS ON THE WEB OR TO DISCUSS EDITS WITH AGENCY 
STAFF WHEN CONSIDERING ADDING TRACKS IN CONSERVATION RESERVES.


Rationale for changes... (1) not all sensitive areas are remote, and many 
issues arise in reserves close to major cities. (2). Understanding the broader 
context surrounding a potential mapping change may well be a hallmark of good 
mapping, but mappers bear no responsibility to await a decision from a 
management agency *before* they add or edit tracks.

A likely response from an under-staffed government agency to an unknown mapper 
is something like, “Thank you for your message. Your call is important to us. 
We will endeavour to respond to you at the earliest opportunity.” Repeatedly. I 
would suggest that a less declarative statement is far more appropriate in this 
instance.

 Thanks once again, I appreciate everyone’s input on the issue. Best wishes Ian


> On 25 Oct 2020, at 10:59 am, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Folks,
>  
> For the Australian Tagging Guidelines can I suggest the following text as 
> point 4 under bushwalking and Cycling Tracks Notes….
>  
> 4. Caution should be exercised if considering mapping of ‘tracks, routes and 
> pads’ in remote reserves, as they may well be covered by management plans, 
> standards or regulations which seek to minimise publicity. Such regulations 
> or standards (AS2156)  may request that the location of such ‘tracks’ are not 
> publicised on maps. You should seek clarification from the managing authority 
> prior to adding such tracks.
>  
> Cheers - Phil
>  
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