Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] I thought OSM-F was changing the license...
On 3 June 2012 17:46, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So why is my data still in the main database? Their bot to remove it is still being written: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/rebuild/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes
On 8 July 2011 18:08, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:57, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others. As far as I'm aware there are no remaining issues as to why you can't click 'accept'. The solution to the problem of We chose a licence and impose terms on contributors that's incompatible with most sources of data isn't to go to each source of data individually to try to get them to relicence. That's as ridiculous as choosing a GPL-incompatible software licence and then whining that you can't legally incorporate all those wonderful GPL licenced projects into yours. I wouldn't say we chose it. We were told by legal that cc didn't work, so we spent a lot of time evolving the odbl (originally started by cc folks) and the CTs. It might look from that side of the planet that it was a hand of god type decision, but that's not the case. It's been multiple years of work around every possible solution. Also, your frame of reference is with OSM up and running and having these kinds of relationships. When I started OSM we had no data at all and nobody wanted to give us data under any license, let alone cc. So those of us who climbed the mountain to get those people to give us data see asking people to switch (such as ordnance survey for example) as a far smaller problem. The difference now is the licensing debate has turned away many of the most enthusiastic contributors in Australia. It's now no longer just a technical or legal issue, but also one of community management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty seems quite relevant as people are choosing to leave the community having seen their voices ignored. Arguably this is worse than how you started with organisations not giving you data, since it's people that change organisations. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes
On 9 July 2011 02:10, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes because most of the community I'm familiar with, which is all of the EU and the US, consider government data a nice starting point but mappers on the ground as generally much better. Is the perception in Australia that you should just do whatever the government says you should do? Or that OSM should just be a host for government data? No, we also think the mappers on the ground are much better. But we can't upload the government data ourselves as we don't have the rights the CTs require. Why should we have to wait for government agencies to upload the data themselves (if they can even agree to the CTs themselves) when we could just do it ourselves with the data they release? Well by not being defeatest for a start. What I think I'm trying to get across is that we convinced our governments, in fact these days they want to be involved with OSM rather than OSM going to them to be involved. So, why is it different in australia? Is there a culture of submitting to the government (which would be the opposite of the US, but closer to the UK) or something? What are the sticking points, and how are they different from the sticking points we managed to go through in the EU and US? I haven't dealt with government agencies myself, but I can't say I've see any Australian ones wanting to be involved with OSM, as opposed to just releasing their data under liberal licenses in general. From their point of view, what does OSM offer them that they can't do with a PSMA license that they probably already have? James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes
On 7 July 2011 22:55, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: On 7/7/2011 7:40 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: You've been very successful at perverting certain sections of the community, Australia being a good example ... Steve, please don't underestimate the ability of Australia to filter bullshit. I just want to: 1) be able to contribute with the confidence that my data will never be deleted. We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others. As far as I'm aware there are no remaining issues as to why you can't click 'accept'. As I said in an email to you, I disagree with the concept of a database right, or using contract law to emulate it, which has no precedent in Australia. Also, I dislike contributor agreements in free software projects, and the CTs are a similar concept. They restrict the use of data from governments and other third parties. Now, there is an argument over whether that data should be kept separate as layers, but I haven't seen that discussed at all. Finally, as I read it the Nearmap grant doesn't let me relicense my existing CC-BY-SA contributions as ODbL as I hadn't signed the CT when I made them. 2) continue using nearmap, which is insanely awesome. Not being a shareholder I can't influence them directly. As far as I'm aware, their issue is that they don't like the fact that we can change license later even though it's restricted to a free and open license. For all practical purposes I doubt we will ever change again unless and until CC release 4.0 which is mooted that it will contain provisions for data licensing. It's a simple balance between making sure the data remains open but also not going through this horrific license process again in the future if, for example, CC is suddenly better in 3-5 years time. Disclosure: I am a shareholder; I bought shares partly because they used OSM for their maps. So while no doubt nearmap is a great resource and it's a shame they no longer want to be involved, it's clear that the majority do - even large sclerotic government institutions are being agile and helpful about this. The door, as ever, is open should nearmap every change their minds. However, due to the CT governments have to contribute their data directly rather than letting even more agile citizens do it for them. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes
On 8 July 2011 11:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's not much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at and now it's down to people holding out because of a comma in the wrong place or a moral objection to various aspects of intellectual property law. While I agree that it's not perfect, I don't see how it's reasonable to throw everything away for one guy who doesn't like his countries laws. Unless you have a reasonable solution or I have misunderstood? I am quite happy with my country's laws, which don't include database right, and don't want to promote such a concept. What do you mean by throw everything away? Who is throwing what away? James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rationalising administrative boundaries
On 20 June 2011 05:00, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I was invited to join a CC-by-SA project, was aware of which licence was appropriate for me at the time of joining, and will not be part of the obscure and doubtbul licence project. Fair enough. As of today, contributions to OSM are ODbL+CT only. Guess that's you gone, then. Bye. Ah, that welcoming OSM spirit. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On 15 June 2011 11:56, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 10:39 +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Hi all As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. Dear Ben, Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. Does it? I haven't agreed to the CTs, therefore my NearMap tracings are CC-BY-SA, and hence will be purged from the database in Phase 5. Bens statement said: may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual In other words, nearmap allows you to make your own mind up in regards to derived data youve contributed. If you havent agreed to CTs, then your work will be removed, but if you wish to agree you are now not breaching any existing rights. So I guess that cuts down the amount of dirty data OSM will have in their DB, it doesnt remove it completely, but there seems to be no interest in a 100% clean db, as long as 99% is good enough. The words immediately following that quote are quite relevant: may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual which submitted the addition or edit at the relevant time. So only contributions a user made after the CT/ODbL was agreed to by that user (and before June 17 2011) can be kept. James Andrewartha ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Hi all As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. Dear Ben, Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. Does it? I haven't agreed to the CTs, therefore my NearMap tracings are CC-BY-SA, and hence will be purged from the database in Phase 5. James Andrewartha ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On 16 June 2011 07:48, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: On 15 June 2011 19:52, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: sorry to be pedantic, but when you say the second paragraph allows edits submitted before the 17th of June 2011 under CC-BY-SA (i.e., by someone who hadn't accepted the new CTs at the time of submission) . to stay in the database, do you mean it is OK for someone who in the past has made edits based on Nearmap imagery, (and who has not yet agreed to the CT's because they had used Nearmap) , to now agree to the CT's without being in breach of Nearmaps T C's? I know this may seem like splitting hairs, but there is a difference between allowing edits to remain in the database which is something OSM sysadmins have control over, and allowing users to agree to the CT's which is something individual OSM users have control over, and I'm just trying to understand , as someone who has used Nearmap, but not agreed to the CT's, where I stand. Pedantic is ok, this was written by lawyers! The second paragraph was drafted specifically to allow any NearMap-derived edits made up to the 17th of June to stay in the OSM database. As I understand it, this statement allows a user to sign up to the new CTs without violating our licence in respect of those edits. Sadly, that's not how I understand it - particularly the terms in place between OSM and the individual ... at the relevant time. bit says to me that retrospective signing of the CTs to cover old contributions isn't allowed. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Hi all As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. Dear Ben, Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. Does it? I haven't agreed to the CTs, therefore my NearMap tracings are CC-BY-SA, and hence will be purged from the database in Phase 5. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] License change Phase 4 coming soon.
On 15 June 2011 04:55, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Just announced on legal-talk is that Phase 4[1] of the license change process is scheduled for this Sunday, 19 June 2011. During Phase 4, only contributors who have accepted CT/ODbL will be able to edit. That is, the 406 contributors who have declined CT/ODbL will not be able to edit. How many contributors have neither accepted nor declined the CT/ODbL? James Andrewartha. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On 15 June 2011 11:56, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 10:39 +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Hi all As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. Dear Ben, Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. Does it? I haven't agreed to the CTs, therefore my NearMap tracings are CC-BY-SA, and hence will be purged from the database in Phase 5. Bens statement said: may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual In other words, nearmap allows you to make your own mind up in regards to derived data youve contributed. If you havent agreed to CTs, then your work will be removed, but if you wish to agree you are now not breaching any existing rights. So I guess that cuts down the amount of dirty data OSM will have in their DB, it doesnt remove it completely, but there seems to be no interest in a 100% clean db, as long as 99% is good enough. The words immediately following that quote are quite relevant: may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual which submitted the addition or edit at the relevant time. So only contributions a user made after the CT/ODbL was agreed to by that user (and before June 17 2011) can be kept. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Electoral boundaries...
On 28 July 2010 15:35, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: New dataset of the electoral boundaries just became available: http://data.australia.gov.au/638 I'm not sure it's worth doing anything with these as they tend to shift too frequently, although they could be imported without trying to merge them into existing boundaries so they can be reimported later when they shift... Each state is done once every seven years, that doesn't seem overly frequent to me. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Electoral boundaries...
On 28 July 2010 16:35, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: Each state is done once every seven years, that doesn't seem overly frequent to me. In my experience electoral redistributions happen after every election (4 years apart). A little research shows that in my state, South Australia, members of the House of Assembly face re-election approximately every four years, and that electoral boundaries are adjusted after each election. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Electoral_Districts A little more research and it seems that in your state, Western Australia, the members of the Legislative Assembly are elected for four-year terms, and changes to electoral boundaries happen after every state general election in the Legislative Assembly. Source: http://www.boundarieswa.com/upload/Where%20will%20you%20be%20in%202009_v4.pdf Is that not right? The dataset in question is for commonwealth divisions, which are done every seven years, or when rebalancing is required. As you point out, state electoral districts are redistributed more often, but they're not in this dataset. As a point of comparison, Google Earth has a US electoral boundaries layer. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect
On 9 June 2010 11:20, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Err, and just now I notice that when you press b in Potlatch, instead of creating source=nearmap, it creates a tag like http://www.nearmap.com/kh/zxy=!,!,!;. Wonder when this change happened, and is that a bug? It sure looks like it... It depends on what the background setting in Potlatch is - when clicking Edit on nearmap.com it's set to that value, but if you manually select Australia: NearMap in the Potlatch preferences it'll set source=nearmap. James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap now have OSM opaque maps as well as overlays
On 1 April 2010 16:04, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Thought you might like to know that NearMap now have OSM data as opaque maps as well as transparent overlays on our PhotoMaps. OSM data's in for the whole world (currently from the 17/2/10 planet file, now importing the 24/3/10 file). It looks pretty good, I like the colour scheme you've got going. Just a few things don't fit in though - highway=service is a dark grey that looks out of place, and is hard to see in PhotoMap w/StreetMap since it's a similar colour to bitumen It's also visible at lower zoom levels than highway=residential, which you can see best on the Terrain view with StreetMap. You've swapped the colours of bike paths and footpaths compared to the standard OSM Mapnik view. The colour of streams/rivers is a bit dark and not blue enough IMHO. James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Nearmap OSM data expanded
On 25 March 2010 16:11, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: In case you're interested, Nearmap are now serving OSM data for the whole world, rendered from the 17/02/10 dataset. We also have the non-transparent map tiles, but haven't enhanced the map page to let you select those yet :) Awesome, we can finally see the fruits of the work based on Nearmap. Non-transparent tiles on nearmap.com has been something I've wanted for ages, is there a URL hack we can use for the moment? James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The funny things bored people get up to...
On 22 March 2010 15:38, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.44227lon=153.03687zoom=17layers=B000FTF Not sure why someone tagged all the railway lines like that... Like what, exactly? The tagging looks perfectly cromulent to me. James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The funny things bored people get up to...
On 22 March 2010 16:52, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 March 2010 18:48, James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: On 22 March 2010 15:38, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.44227lon=153.03687zoom=17layers=B000FTF Not sure why someone tagged all the railway lines like that... Like what, exactly? The tagging looks perfectly cromulent to me. So it's ok to name railway lines road 1 to road 40 ? That's what they're called, so yes. James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The funny things bored people get up to...
On 22 March 2010 19:53, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 March 2010 21:21, James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: That's what they're called, so yes. Called by whom? All I ever see published is things like North Shore Line etc... This is a railway yard, the various lines are called Road #, eg http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Maps/Itlk/pavonia.gif James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The funny things bored people get up to...
On 22 March 2010 19:57, James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: On 22 March 2010 19:53, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 March 2010 21:21, James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: That's what they're called, so yes. Called by whom? All I ever see published is things like North Shore Line etc... This is a railway yard, the various lines are called Road #, eg http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Maps/Itlk/pavonia.gif http://www.artc.com.au/library/TA46_Dry_Creek_North_Yard.pdf is an Australian example. James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The funny things bored people get up to...
On 22 March 2010 20:15, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 March 2010 21:57, James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: This is a railway yard, the various lines are called Road #, eg http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Maps/Itlk/pavonia.gif Anything a little more specific to the yards in Brisbane? It took a bit of searching, but here we go: http://www.qrnetwork.com.au/Libraries/Southern_Qld_system_diagrams/Mayne_Loco_Depot_Suburban_System_NAG_017-21.sflb?download=true It even has the building names, should they be added to OSM? James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bus, tram and train stop data license change
On 5 March 2010 05:35, Andy Botting a...@andybotting.com wrote: Also, I can call back the Dept. of Transport if anyone has any questions about this data. I had a feeling that the CC license was irrevocable, but hadn't checked myself. Do you think it's worth pressing them about it? While it's not revocable, if the person who released the data under CC wasn't authorised to do so by the copyright holder, then the CC license wasn't valid in the first place. Whether that's how it went down in this case is open to question, so it wouldn't hurt to contact them and clear it up. You might also ask them how much creativity/definable authorship was involved in creating the database - if there isn't any you could mention that it's not copyrightable anyway. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions
2010/1/6 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I've created an entry on the default access restrictions wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Australia Now we can debate each line: ===Trunk=== Default. Ok? There are some trunk roads in Perth that have motorway-style restrictions, but they are the exception. ===Primary etc=== Default. Ok? I'm a little dubious over foot=yes, but that seems to be the way it's done everywhere else. ===Bridleway=== I would have said we don't have these, except I think I found one on the outskirts of the eastern suburbs of Melbourne. With the tiny bit of traffic they must receive, I can't imagine that pedestrians would be banned, and bikes probably wouldn't be either. So, horse=designated, bicycle=yes, foot=yes. The bridleways I know are soft sand, not suiteable for cycling at all. The Bold Park bridle trail doesn't allow pedestrians: http://www.bgpa.wa.gov.au/images/stories/boldpark/docs/BPMapwithtrails.pdf ===Cycleway=== I would say shared use paths vastly outnumber bike-only paths, so I propose bicycle=designated foot=designated. Horse...no? Paths that allow horses, like rail trails, aren't too rare, but can be catered for easily enough. +1 ===Footway== Now, bicycles aren't allowed on *footpaths* - ie, the path that runs along the side of the road. But they're generally allowed on most other paths, like into or through parks, around sports grounds etc. So I propose foot=designated bicycle=yes. Regular footpaths far outnumber any other type of footpath though - most urban roads will have one, if not two footpaths alongside. And with the Nearmap imagery it's quite feasible to map them. This ties into foot=yes for regular roads - if we're mapping footpaths, arguably roads should be foot=no. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...
2010/1/1 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Ok, John, I'm adding you to my killfile. I'm not getting anything out of corresponding with you other than frustration, and I'm finding your messages consist mostly of unhelpful stubborn posturing, and too little useful My answers are perfectly accurate, if there is a flaw in my logic, by all means point it out to me. Logic is not the only requirement for useful conversation. Assuming good faith is also important, and something that you often don't do when asking if someone has filed a bug or accuse them of trying to limit the project. We're all here because we believe OSM is a great project to work on, there's no need to needle people so much. Trying to deal with you has become an unpleasant distraction from the task I was replying with gunine answers, you seem to take everything out of context and/or personally as an insult... such is life... When you treat someone as though they're acting dishonestly, you can't expect that to be ignored. I'm replying to the list so that everyone knows why I'm not responding to any future messages from you. Are you still in highschool? To be brutally honest, no one cares who you do or don't reply to. I do, as his decision will mean less of your spam on the list (of course now I'm guilty of this, but whatever). James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] hiding boundary=administrative by default
2009/12/27 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/12/27 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: John Smith wrote: Your post was completely useless, why didn't you just post a bug instead of trying to make other people do it? Because some of us are yet to build the confidence for such action? This should be incentive to figure out how, it's not even as difficult as mapping to be honest. Even so, your constant nagging serves no purpose except to spam the list and annoy people. Had you considered that sometimes people are willing to live with bugs vs the effort required to report them? Here's an example, and while OSM projects are probably much better than Ubuntu at fixing bugs, the equation still holds: http://glyphobet.net/blog/blurb/1214 James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM
2009/12/8 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: don't know what is avail in potlatch overall a is 'add' mode s is 'select' mode d is 'delete' mode u is unselect Oh yeah, good old modal editing :) It's like using vim. I found this horribly tedious. In potlatch, left-click does everything! (Honestly, I much prefer Potlatch in this area. But it may be because I use dvorak keyboard, and a/s/d are not near each other. I tried remapping the keys, didn't work for some reason.) I find Potlatch is better for from-scratch editing, but for editing existing data JOSM is as good. The modal thing is annoying, but when there's already ways you can drag the middle + to create a new node in select mode. The main things I wish JOSM had from Potlatch are to repeat the tags from the last way (R in Potlatch), and built-in history instead of opening a web browser. JOSM's presets are a lot nicer in that it knows what common keys and values are appropriate, but being able to just drag the shortcut nodes in Potlatch onto the map is pretty good too. m is merge nodes ( a function which i have not found in potlatch) You can work around it by merging a node and a way, then deleting the superfluous node. I don't think you can merge two ways though. Ctrl-click in JOSM joins two ways. there are two other really good ones which are key combos and i use from the menu orthogonalise shape AOL / James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM
2009/12/9 David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net: - Original Message - From: James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au I find Potlatch is better for from-scratch editing, but for editing existing data JOSM is as good. The modal thing is annoying, but when there's already ways you can drag the middle + to create a new node in select mode. The main things I wish JOSM had from Potlatch are to repeat the tags from the last way (R in Potlatch), and built-in history instead of opening a web browser. Is the history panel , Alt+Shift+H (or the book icon on the left hand menu), not good enough? Oh, that's pretty good. I had been using the menu item Tools/Object History... (Ctrl-H) which goes to the website. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] replacement bicycle mounted gps
2009/11/18 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/11/18 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: i like being able to choose exactly which apps are on the freerunner obviously i want decent gps and mapping apps All smart phones can run virtually any app you can think of i am not really into playing music, videos, browsing the net from the phone ( All those are basically apps run on the phone... my phone bill is about $5 to $10 a month - its a nuisance item which i have to have because i have to answer it There is even apps to block calls :) So who has a whizbang phone which they would recommend?? The most open phone is the Nokia N900 - root is easy to get, and it's most similar to a desktop Linux. Unfortunately Nokia decided not to sell it in Australia, so you'd have to import it from the US. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/11/4 James Andrewartha tr...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au: I couldn't say, but they might do it once for free (vs the regular updates planned for cities). For example, the WA coverage currently goes from Do you work for this company, or have a contact with them? Nope, I just read their presentations and website thoroughly and inferred their business model would support a single flyover as a hook to get commercial and government licenses which would pay for regular updates. Speaking of licenses, you should probably have a read of the commercial ones - it's not clear to me if Big Tin Can Maps qualifies for the free one, although IANAL. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://maposmatic.org/
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/24 Liz ed...@billiau.net: http://maposmatic.org/ John ! I want! It says it needs translation from French and some organisation of admin boundaries... OK Please John, how can we have this for Australia? How can we help make this happen for us? The short answer no idea... The longer answer is no idea :) They didn't seem to have a link to download it and even if they did I only know a limited number of computer languages, I don't know perl or ruby or python which are common languages for stuff done for OSM It's Python using Django and PostGIS (a PostgreSQL addon). http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/maposmatic/ocitysmap.git/tree/ http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/maposmatic.git/tree/ as linked off http://maposmatic.org/about/ James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fixed map image for city wiki page?
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Ben Kelley wrote:
There is no reference to an image in the body text of the page. That's what
I'm getting at. How does the image get there? How
is it included?
It's included from this template code on the third line of the source:
{{place|name=Sydney|type=City|area=Australia|image=Image:Sydney0708.png|lat=-33.8626|long=151.209|zoom=11}}
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Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 11:46 +1100, Franc Carter wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). Are the suburbs rendered, or do they only show up in an editor like JOSM? James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 19:30 +1030, Darrin Smith wrote: Of course I only found out recently not only does S.A. have Hundreds as a land administration boundary but they also have Counties. Of course sourcing that information for a free source could be extremely tricky :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadastral_divisions_of_Australia covers the various divisions - counties, hundreds, parishes, land districts etc. You may also be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrens_Title which suggests the state land registries are the people to contact, but they're usually operated on a cost recovery basis. For example, WA has datasets including road centrelines, property street address: http://www.landgate.wa.gov.au/corporate.nsf/web/Fundamental +Datasets?OpenDocument http://www.walis.wa.gov.au/resources/gis_resources/web_mapping.html/ has guidelines on web mapping using these datasets, but they don't really account for OSM usage, so ministerial pressure might have to be sought. James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Google nearly up to date
On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:32 +1100, Jim Croft wrote: why just map it? ... here's the real thing: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8om=1z=16ll=-6.731823,146.996298spn=0.01952,0.026951t=k I thought that was going to be a google street view link - which reminds me, what are the legalities of getting names from street view? James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
