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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Ring / Fort / Castle

2017-03-13 Thread Killian Driscoll

Hi,
I think the tags need to be looked at seriously and amended: for example "
fortification=ring_ditch" ring ditches are not known to be fortifications;
see
http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/WebServiceQuery/Lookup.aspx
for terms

"doubled-ringed ringfort" these are called"bivallate ringforts".

Maybe someone would like to take their time to look at
http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/WebServiceQuery/Lookup.aspx
and compile a list of the correct terminology?

Killian DriscoIl
IRC Postdoctoral Fellow
UCD School of Archaeology
University College Dublin

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On 13 March 2017 at 14:28, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> There was a discussion of this last week. I've done a summary of related
> tags as they are currently in use in Ireland / Northern Ireland. It's an
> extract from http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/
>
>
> While they might not have huge currency, they are a perfectly mapable
> feature.
>
>
> Colm
>
>
> --
>
>
> archaeological_site=cashel (1)
> archaeological_site=castle (6)
> archaeological_site=fort (9)
> archaeological_site=ring_fort (2)
>
> castle_type=defensive (12)
> castle_type=fortress (5)
> castle_type=manor (4)
> castle_type=stately (5),
>
> description=A Celtic hill fort (ruins, only an earth bank left)
> description=Excellent well preserved doubled-ringed ringfort
>
> fortification=ring_ditch (2)
> fortification_type=hill_fort (12)
> fortification_type=promontory_fort (1)
> fortification_type=ring_fort (2)
> fortification_type=ringfort (76)
>
> hist=castle (1)
> historic=castle (300)
> historic=ruins
> historic=fort (17)
> historic=ring fort (2)
> historic=ring_fort (2)
>
> military=fort
>
> note=Ancient fort (1)
> note=Ancient ring fort (2)
> note=Fawney (fainne) means ring, maybe the site of a ringfort? Was also
> slang to kiss the King/Lords ring. Very interesting as the road is called
> the Royal Oak (1)
> note=Known_locally_as_a_fairy_ring_with_supernatural_powers_-_Neolithic_Settlement
> (1),
> note=Not sure if these are Barrows or rath, or what the difference is!
> Ring fort (5),
> note=Not sure if these are Barrows or raths, or what the difference is!
> Ring fort (1)
> note=Ring Fort? (1)
> note=probably old ringfort (1)
> note=ring fort (2)
> note=ringfort (1)
>
> wikipedia=en:Rathealy Ringfort (1)
> wikipedia=en:Rathgall Hillfort (1)
> wikipedia=en:Ringfort (2)
> wikipedia=en:Staigue stone fort
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] History of Townlands - What can we put on a slide?

2016-08-19 Thread Killian Driscoll

tematic way.
> It is also curious that, while Sir William Petty, who surveyed much of
> Ireland, said that Irish place names were ‘uncouth and unintelligible’ and
> that ‘where they cannot be abolished’, they should be translated into
> English, the planters in most cases retained the original names.
> >
> >
> >> On 15 Aug 2016, at 19:14, Killian Driscoll <killiandrisc...@gmail.com
> <mailto:killiandrisc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 15 August 2016 at 20:01, Killian Driscoll <killiandrisc...@gmail.com
> <mailto:killiandrisc...@gmail.com> <mailto:killiandrisc...@gmail.com
> <mailto:killiandrisc...@gmail.com>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 15 August 2016 at 19:17, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org  r...@technomancy.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >>>> Hash: SHA1
> >>>>
> >>>> Hiya,
> >>>>
> >>>> As yous know, myself and Dave are doing a talk about townlands at the
> >>>> global OSM conferences, State of the Map, in Brussels in September.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can anyone tell me more about the history of townlands? Something nice
> >>>> to add to a slide?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> See this which talks about boundaries - Baronies etc (you could say the
> >>> townlands line up with the baronies) - based from the Iron Age
> >>> https://www.academia.edu/3206604/Kingship_and_ <
> https://www.academia.edu/3206604/Kingship_and_>
> >>> Sacrifice_Iron_Age_Bog_Bodies_and_Boundaries if you Google the bog
> bodies
> >>> in images you should get some you can use
> >>>
> >>
> >> This pdf talks a bit about the history and the naming in the 19C etc
> >> Landscape representation: Place and identity in nineteenth-century
> ordnance
> >> survey maps of *Ireland*
> >> <http://www.academia.edu/download/15820198/
> 20110506220925888.pdf#page=76 <http://www.academia.edu/download/15820198/
> 20110506220925888.pdf#page=76><http://www.academia.edu/download/15820198/
> 20110506220925888.pdf#page=76 <http://www.academia.edu/download/15820198/
> 20110506220925888.pdf#page=76>>>
> >> A Smith - Landscape, Memory and *History*, Pluto Press: London, 2003 -
> >> academia.edu <http://academia.edu/> <http://academia.edu/ <
> http://academia.edu/>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I've heard that townlands were mentioned in the Táin Bó Cúailnge. Can
> >>>> anyone tell me more about this?
> >>>>
> >>>> I looked at [the scans of the Lebor na hUidre (Book of the Dun
> >>>> Cow)](https://www.isos.dias.ie/master.html?https://www.isos.
> >>>> dias.ie/libraries/RIA/RIA_MS_23_E_25/english/index.html?
> >>>> ref=http://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/english/ria_menu.html?ref=
> ),
> >>>> is anyone able to point to a word on a page and say "This is townland
> >>>> X in Co. Whatever". (I tried it myself, but er, it's Old Irish). It
> >>>> would impress to the Americans & other Europeans that the townlands
> >>>> are ancient, and a part of our history, heritage and culture. We
> >>>> didn't spend all these years mapping them just cause.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any hints?
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] History of Townlands - What can we put on a slide?

2016-08-15 Thread Killian Driscoll

On 15 August 2016 at 20:01, Killian Driscoll <killiandrisc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 15 August 2016 at 19:17, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote:
>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> As yous know, myself and Dave are doing a talk about townlands at the
>> global OSM conferences, State of the Map, in Brussels in September.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me more about the history of townlands? Something nice
>> to add to a slide?
>>
>
> See this which talks about boundaries - Baronies etc (you could say the
> townlands line up with the baronies) - based from the Iron Age
> https://www.academia.edu/3206604/Kingship_and_
> Sacrifice_Iron_Age_Bog_Bodies_and_Boundaries if you Google the bog bodies
> in images you should get some you can use
>

This pdf talks a bit about the history and the naming in the 19C etc
Landscape representation: Place and identity in nineteenth-century ordnance
survey maps of *Ireland*
<http://www.academia.edu/download/15820198/20110506220925888.pdf#page=76>
A Smith - Landscape, Memory and *History*, Pluto Press: London, 2003 -
academia.edu

>
>
>
>
>> I've heard that townlands were mentioned in the Táin Bó Cúailnge. Can
>> anyone tell me more about this?
>>
>> I looked at [the scans of the Lebor na hUidre (Book of the Dun
>> Cow)](https://www.isos.dias.ie/master.html?https://www.isos.
>> dias.ie/libraries/RIA/RIA_MS_23_E_25/english/index.html?
>> ref=http://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/english/ria_menu.html?ref=),
>> is anyone able to point to a word on a page and say "This is townland
>> X in Co. Whatever". (I tried it myself, but er, it's Old Irish). It
>> would impress to the Americans & other Europeans that the townlands
>> are ancient, and a part of our history, heritage and culture. We
>> didn't spend all these years mapping them just cause.
>>
>> Any hints?
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXsfkoAAoJEOrWdmeZivv2NkoH/2dD/XUWA/3EDX/t04G4C+r+
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] History of Townlands - What can we put on a slide?

2016-08-15 Thread Killian Driscoll

On 15 August 2016 at 19:17, Rory McCann  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hiya,
>
> As yous know, myself and Dave are doing a talk about townlands at the
> global OSM conferences, State of the Map, in Brussels in September.
>
> Can anyone tell me more about the history of townlands? Something nice
> to add to a slide?
>

See this which talks about boundaries - Baronies etc (you could say the
townlands line up with the baronies) - based from the Iron Age
https://www.academia.edu/3206604/Kingship_and_Sacrifice_Iron_Age_Bog_Bodies_and_Boundaries
if you Google the bog bodies in images you should get some you can use




> I've heard that townlands were mentioned in the Táin Bó Cúailnge. Can
> anyone tell me more about this?
>
> I looked at [the scans of the Lebor na hUidre (Book of the Dun
> Cow)](https://www.isos.dias.ie/master.html?https://www.
> isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/RIA_MS_23_E_25/english/index.
> html?ref=http://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/english/ria_menu.html?ref=
> ),
> is anyone able to point to a word on a page and say "This is townland
> X in Co. Whatever". (I tried it myself, but er, it's Old Irish). It
> would impress to the Americans & other Europeans that the townlands
> are ancient, and a part of our history, heritage and culture. We
> didn't spend all these years mapping them just cause.
>
> Any hints?
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM / townlands.ie metadata

2016-02-21 Thread Killian Driscoll

Rory,
I am using the data as part of a prehistoric stone tool raw material
reference collection collected as part of a raw material provenancing
(sourcing) project
http://www.lithicsireland.ie/archaeology_projects_irish_lithic_landscapes_chert_provenancing.html
I am setting up an online database to go along with the physical reference
collection of geological samples and the archaeological samples. I had been
using, on my desktop, the OS townlands and counties, but I'm very grateful
to be able to now use Open Data for it! So, thanks all for the mapping (I
did a tiny bit of of the townlands but ran out of time).

The details about what the columns mean should be on the page itself, under
"Attributes".
- Thanks, I downloaded from here http://www.townlands.ie/page/download/ but
never scrolled down the page!

I'm always open to hearing suggesting for improvements to t.ie or the data
download format.
- I downloaded the townlands data and imported into my PostgreSQL database,
and I am using a PHP generator to construct the online database. When doing
this, I originally decided to use as a pk the osm_id; the import to
PostgreSQL (using DB Manager in QGIS) has the osm_id as a double precision
with negative numbers (I see that on the metadata page it says it is
integer). While PostgreSQL was happy with this and there were no problems
with the osm_id, when using the PHP generator, it didn't like the double
precision, so I switched it to integer with negatives as is - this kind of
worked in that I could query it and it would give me the correct result
(the right townland) but it was displayed as '0.' instead of the text
(when using a display name instead of the id). It appears that the PHP
generator does not like negative numbers in the pk / fk: I added my own
integer (serial) pk, and it works fine. So, roundabout way of saying the
format is fine, except that for some reason the importing of the osm_id was
not read as integer - this hasn't happened before, so not sure if it is the
townland shapefile or not; and for some reason PHP doesn't like negatives
(I don't know much about PHP, hence I'm using a generator). If anyone could
explain that behaviour, I'd be happy to know about it.

Killian DriscoIl
IRC Postdoctoral Fellow
UCD School of Archaeology
University College Dublin

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On 21 February 2016 at 13:18, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello Killian,
>
> I wrote and maintain townlands.ie. The details about what the columns
> mean should be on the page itself, under "Attributes". If you can
> ignore the "\n" that are appearing due to a translations related bug.
> If you'd like any further clarification, just let me know. If you're
> curious of the SQL behind it, you can find that here[1].
>
> I'm quite interested to know what people are using that data for.
> Could you tell us a little about what you're doing with it? (Or email
> me in private, off-list, if you'd like). I'm always open to hearing
> suggesting for improvements to t.ie or the data download format.
>
> [1]:
>
> https://github.com/osmie/osm-irish-townlands/blob/452a0b7da55bb364bdab938e5e62e77d1023ab5d/irish_townlands/management/commands/make_dump_files.py#L72
>
> - --
> Rory
>
> On 20/02/16 18:34, Killian Driscoll wrote:
> > I am using a copy of the townlands and counties layers downloaded
> > from http://www.townlands.ie/page/download/ in a database, and I
> > need a list of the metadata for the layers' columns, (i.e. the
> > metadata meaning an explanation of each column heading). Where can
> > I find that?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Killian DriscoIl IRC Postdoctoral Fellow UCD School of Archaeology
> > University College Dublin
> >
> > academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
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[OSM-talk-ie] OSM / townlands.ie metadata

2016-02-20 Thread Killian Driscoll

I am using a copy of the townlands and counties layers downloaded from
http://www.townlands.ie/page/download/ in a database, and I need a list of
the metadata for the layers' columns, (i.e. the metadata meaning an
explanation of each column heading). Where can I find that?

Thanks,

Killian DriscoIl
IRC Postdoctoral Fellow
UCD School of Archaeology
University College Dublin

academia.edu/KillianDriscoll 
www.lithicsireland.ie
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative

2015-07-02 Thread Killian Driscoll

Hi, for what its worth I've added a few comments and some general
copy-editing. I hope you can see the comments on the drive doc. (I'm
guessing my comments will be automatically visible to you, here's the link
anyway
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing

Sorry, I really don't have time right now to add much more than that (I'm
finishing up a huge project and moving continent in the next few days).
Please disregard any comments/edits as you see fit!

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
www.lithicsireland.ie
ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

On 2 July 2015 at 21:07, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June 15th
 with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative.

 There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both
 available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/

 I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM Ireland
 focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily interested
 in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation
 questions regardless, because why not.

 If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be considered as
 a response from OSM Ireland as a whole.

 You can find the submission document here -

 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing

 I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit simply
 because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are 10-20
 people editing.

 I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as the
 process around setting up open data from a government perspective is at a
 crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will likely
 be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot of
 good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use of
 down the road.

 The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave this
 run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through your
 comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point, anyone who
 wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally
 submitting it on or around the 14th July.

 It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide
 feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do that
 too.

 Thanks,
 Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-19 Thread Killian Driscoll

I guess the situation is different as the waterway changes in Ireland have
not caused disputes. The townland boundaries that are set by the commision
have not changed, but in osm we are changing them, and amending the
boundaries to suit the map rather than the official boundary,

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

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On 19 May 2015 at 08:42, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote:

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 Hi all,

 Just as an aside, this sort of waterways changing happens in many
 places. Ellis Island in New York (yes that one), is partially in the
 US state of New York, and partially in New Jersey, due to land
 reclaimation works and a dispute over the original treaty/contract
 between them. You can see the border of the original island in the
 administrative border on OSM:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.69880/-74.04098

 Read more:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island#State_sovereignty_dispute

 Rory

 On 14/05/15 23:10, Killian Driscoll wrote:
  I've been working on tracing townlands by Lough Conn, Mayo and
  don't know how to deal with some boundaries due to the drop in lake
  levels from drainage works. Here http://osm.org/go/etJ86lqw-?m= you
  can see that I've left out four townlands: Scotchfort,
  Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and 'Cappanaglogh (Part Of): you can
  see that the latter is between Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and
  with the lake level change and the inclusion of a previous island
  into the townland it's not clear how a new boundary should be
  drawn.
 
  A related issue is whether the boundaries should be redrawn at all
  here, or if the original pre-drainage works lake level boundary
  should be respected (I looked at Lough Gara and see that the
  tracing has followed the new lake level). The GIS townland layer I
  have used before has kept the original townland size and not
  changed the outline to match the 'new' lake level.
 
  I'd appreciate advice on this,
 
 
  Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département
  d'anthropologie Université de Montréal
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Help with upload error message with josm upload ResponseCode=412 , Error Header=Precondition failed: Way requires the nodes with id in (28645983, 28645984, 28645986)

2015-05-19 Thread Killian Driscoll

Thanks, I think I managed to upload my edits and resolve the conflicts.

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

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On 19 May 2015 at 08:45, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote:

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 Hi Killian,

 This happens when 2 people are editing one object and one person
 uploads first. The second person will get a conflict/pre-condition
 failed message like you just did.

 You can use JOSM's conflict resolution to solve it. Or throw our your
 work and start again. It's better to do lots of little commits, and
 upload often, to limit the damage this can cause. Redownload (or
 Update Data often as well)

 This can often happen when adding townlands at the coast. Someone
 could be editing the coastline relation in Cork, while you change it
 in Mayo.

 Hope that helps,

 Rory

 On 19/05/15 00:36, Killian Driscoll wrote:
  I've just got this error message when trying to update josm edits:
  The error message is: ResponseCode=412, Error Header=Precondition
  failed: Way requires the nodes with id in
  (28645983,28645984,28645986), which either do not exist, or are not
  visible.
 
  Any ideas how to fix this?
 
  Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département
  d'anthropologie Université de Montréal
 
  umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie
  ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Help with upload error message with josm upload ResponseCode=412 , Error Header=Precondition failed: Way requires the nodes with id in (28645983, 28645984, 28645986)

2015-05-19 Thread Killian Driscoll

No problem - my fault I think: I changed status from reserved to freed so
it looked like I wasn't working on it.

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On 19 May 2015 at 11:41, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ouch, sorry about that. This must have happened last night when we were
 both looking at that sheet on the coast.

 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Killian Driscoll 
 killiandrisc...@gmail.com
  wrote:

  Thanks, I think I managed to upload my edits and resolve the conflicts.
 
  Killian Driscoll
  Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
  Département d'anthropologie
  Université de Montréal
 
  umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
  www.lithicsireland.ie
  ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
 
  On 19 May 2015 at 08:45, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote:
 
   -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
   Hash: SHA1
  
   Hi Killian,
  
   This happens when 2 people are editing one object and one person
   uploads first. The second person will get a conflict/pre-condition
   failed message like you just did.
  
   You can use JOSM's conflict resolution to solve it. Or throw our your
   work and start again. It's better to do lots of little commits, and
   upload often, to limit the damage this can cause. Redownload (or
   Update Data often as well)
  
   This can often happen when adding townlands at the coast. Someone
   could be editing the coastline relation in Cork, while you change it
   in Mayo.
  
   Hope that helps,
  
   Rory
  
   On 19/05/15 00:36, Killian Driscoll wrote:
I've just got this error message when trying to update josm edits:
The error message is: ResponseCode=412, Error Header=Precondition
failed: Way requires the nodes with id in
(28645983,28645984,28645986), which either do not exist, or are not
visible.
   
Any ideas how to fix this?
   
Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département
d'anthropologie Université de Montréal
   
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Killian Driscoll

I can't see the orig OS maps here http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html
for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available?

Killian Driscoll
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Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

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www.lithicsireland.ie
ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland (at
 least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have access
 to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale Island'
 as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland?

 Killian Driscoll
 Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
 Département d'anthropologie
 Université de Montréal

 umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
 www.lithicsireland.ie
 ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

 On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level
 contained
  an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to
 the
  west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 (
  http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is
  listed
  as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national
  monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland outline.
  The traced townland on the osm
 
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517
  of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites and
  monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as
  Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by osm.
 

 This is resolvable  -  the island still exists as a townland.

 What you do is:

 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role
 outer)
 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role inner,
 this creates a hole in Derrnadooey

 For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before  drainage
 created the Slobs in Wexford

 http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/
 http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/

 Hope this helps

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Killian Driscoll

Thanks - Inishfale isn't a townland on the GIS layer I have (maybe an error
with that layer?). I wasn't doubting Beggerin was a townland! Just looking
for it: I found it on my GIS layer. I can't see the orig OS maps here
http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html for the Beggerin Island area. Are
they available?

Killian Driscoll
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Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
www.lithicsireland.ie
ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

On 15 May 2015 at 18:25, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can check the online 1901 townland index (there is also a 1911
 supplement at same site) and see Beggerin Island is listed:


 http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Census%20%28by%20date%29/1901/Irelandactive=yesmno=453tocstate=expandnewdisplay=sectionsdisplay=tablesdisplay=pagetitlespageseq=158

 Inishfale/Inisfale is probably a townland as ARP and boundary is listed on
 the map sheets - it must be an omission from the townland indexes?

 D


 D


 On 15 May 2015 at 22:44, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I can't see the orig OS maps here
  http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html
  for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available?
 
  Killian Driscoll
  Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
  Département d'anthropologie
  Université de Montréal
 
  umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
  www.lithicsireland.ie
  ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland
  (at
   least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have
  access
   to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale
 Island'
   as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland?
  
   Killian Driscoll
   Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
   Département d'anthropologie
   Université de Montréal
  
   umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
   www.lithicsireland.ie
   ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
  
   On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   
At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level
   contained
an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey
 to
   the
west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 (
http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which
 is
listed
as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national
monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland
  outline.
The traced townland on the osm
   
   
  
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517
of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites
  and
monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland
 as
Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by
  osm.
   
  
   This is resolvable  -  the island still exists as a townland.
  
   What you do is:
  
   1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role
   outer)
   2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role
 inner,
   this creates a hole in Derrnadooey
  
   For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before
 drainage
   created the Slobs in Wexford
  
   http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/
   http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/
  
   Hope this helps
  
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Killian Driscoll

Sorry - that should be: Irish monuments are now appearing in townlands
where they are not there officially according to the sites and monuments
record.

Killian Driscoll
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Université de Montréal

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On 15 May 2015 at 16:54, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess it comes down to what we are doing here. By changing the boundary
 to match the new shoreline we are in effect changing the townland size, and
 also creating anomalies whereby e.g. Irish monuments are now appearing in
 townlands where there are not there officially according to the sites and
 monuments record.

 Killian Driscoll
 Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
 Département d'anthropologie
 Université de Montréal

 umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
 www.lithicsireland.ie
 ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

 On 15 May 2015 at 16:45, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15/05/2015, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:
  There's an earlier thread on topic here where conflicting advice was
 given
  ;-)
 
 
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-October/000741.html
 
  So looks like it is worthwhile opening up the discussion where we can
 all
  agree on a common approach.

 I don't see many conflicts of opinion in that thread :
 * Brian was following the GSGS boundary but started the thread for enquiry
 * Conor suggested following the new shoreline instead
 * Dacor agreed to follow the new shoreline, based on IRC discussion
 * No reply from brian, I assume he followed Conor and Dacor's answers

 As for myself, before reviewing that old thread, the same follow the
 new shoreline principle was the one that appealed me most (don't like
 the idea of land that doesn't belong to a townland)..

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Killian Driscoll

I guess it comes down to what we are doing here. By changing the boundary
to match the new shoreline we are in effect changing the townland size, and
also creating anomalies whereby e.g. Irish monuments are now appearing in
townlands where there are not there officially according to the sites and
monuments record.

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
www.lithicsireland.ie
ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

On 15 May 2015 at 16:45, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15/05/2015, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:
  There's an earlier thread on topic here where conflicting advice was
 given
  ;-)
 
 
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-October/000741.html
 
  So looks like it is worthwhile opening up the discussion where we can all
  agree on a common approach.

 I don't see many conflicts of opinion in that thread :
 * Brian was following the GSGS boundary but started the thread for enquiry
 * Conor suggested following the new shoreline instead
 * Dacor agreed to follow the new shoreline, based on IRC discussion
 * No reply from brian, I assume he followed Conor and Dacor's answers

 As for myself, before reviewing that old thread, the same follow the
 new shoreline principle was the one that appealed me most (don't like
 the idea of land that doesn't belong to a townland)..

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Killian Driscoll

Thanks. stick with the boundary markings as they exist on the map sheets:
if you scan the lake edges of e.g. Lough Neagh, Gara, Derravaragh, Allen
etc. that have lowered lake levels the traced townland boundaries all now
match the new lake level, so I think the map sheets have been ignored and
new boundaries have been drawn. Maybe others who have been tracing lakes
with dropped lake levels can comment?

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Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

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On 15 May 2015 at 13:28, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Killian,

 I'm trying to recall what was done in the past for this as I'm sure it's
 come up.

 To the best of my recollection, stick with the boundary markings as they
 exist on the map sheets.

 Dave


 On 14 May 2015 22:12, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I've been working on tracing townlands by Lough Conn, Mayo and don't know
  how to deal with some boundaries due to the drop in lake levels from
  drainage works. Here http://osm.org/go/etJ86lqw-?m= you can see that
 I've
  left out four townlands: Scotchfort, Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and
  'Cappanaglogh (Part Of): you can see that the latter is between
  Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and with the lake level change and the
  inclusion of a previous island into the townland it's not clear how a new
  boundary should be drawn.
 
  A related issue is whether the boundaries should be redrawn at all here,
 or
  if the original pre-drainage works lake level boundary should be
 respected
  (I looked at Lough Gara and see that the tracing has followed the new
 lake
  level). The GIS townland layer I have used before has kept the original
  townland size and not changed the outline to match the 'new' lake level.
 
  I'd appreciate advice on this,
 
 
  Killian Driscoll
  Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
  Département d'anthropologie
  Université de Montréal
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Killian Driscoll

I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland (at
least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have access
to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale Island'
as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland?

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
www.lithicsireland.ie
ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level
 contained
  an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to
 the
  west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 (
  http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is
  listed
  as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national
  monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland outline.
  The traced townland on the osm
 
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517
  of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites and
  monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as
  Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by osm.
 

 This is resolvable  -  the island still exists as a townland.

 What you do is:

 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role outer)
 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role inner,
 this creates a hole in Derrnadooey

 For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before  drainage
 created the Slobs in Wexford

 http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/
 http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/

 Hope this helps

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