Re: [OSM-talk] Application error in Firefox
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > This is the message I'm getting when trying to log onto > http://www.openstreetmap.org/: > > "Application error > The OpenStreetMap server encountered an unexpected condition that > prevented it from fulfilling the request (HTTP 500) No such error from here. And no mention on irc. Perhaps give it another whirl? And restart your browser if needed? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > Allright, back to topic - can someone add place=isolated_dwelling to > map features? Should every approved key:value be placed in Map Features? If so, how do we manage the size of that page? select place, count(place) as nodes from planet_osm_point group by place order by count(place) DESC limit 35; place| nodes -+ village | 435465 hamlet | 320712 locality| 90984 town| 46875 suburb | 35721 island | 26254 county | 6434 city| 5759 farm| 2244 region |975 state |848 subdivision |817 islet |645 FIXME |507 airport |432 municipality|392 |370 unincorporated_area |315 country |237 moor|144 sea | 89 house | 63 Arazede | 50 archipelago | 45 residence | 43 isolated_dwelling | 42 district| 37 location| 30 crowded | 23 historical_state| 19 historical_division | 18 undefined | 16 hall_of_residence | 16 peninsula | 14 lake| 13 (35 rows) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SotM 2010 schedule published - looks great.
I know that you have been waiting to see the schedule for State of the Map 2010. And now I know that you will love it. The SotM team has done a spectacular job of soliciting and acquiring a great line-up of speakers and topics. You will want to buy your ticket and book your trip now. http://stateofthemap.org/register-now/ Day One: Business and Workshop Day Friday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/friday/ Day Two: Community, Tech, Quality and Scholarship Tracks Saturday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/saturday/ Day Three: Tools, Imports, Humanitarian and Cartography Tracks Sunday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/sunday ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
Hi Kate, First, I thought, "Oh, easy, Pompeii[1] and Tsuruga castle[2]. You must see the fantastic Tsuruga castle video by Kinya Inoue[3]" and then I thought, ... umm. There should be a list somewhere? Oh yeah! Best of OSM![4] So, you'll find more there that you will enjoy. We should also remember to submit our mapping work to Best of OSM if we have done something interesting. Best regards, Richard [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.75121&lon=14.487&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.48754&lon=139.93063&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF [3] http://www.vimeo.com/5594110 [4] http://bestofosm.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] new logo
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Robert Martinez wrote: > Hello OpenStreetMappers, > > > I would love to offer a special contribution to the project: a new logo! > Here is my blogpost: http://freegital.de/osm-logo-proposal > Here is the presentation: > http://mray.de/sites/default/files/logoproposal_big.html Dear Robert, I really like the logo. I'm just one voice of course. I don't agree with Paul's characterization of "clip art." Clip art leaves a negative connotation for me. Paul's suggestion of a golf course interests me, as I have a couple of golf-map related domain names. So with a couple of minor[1] tweaks, I think you have a super logo for my osm-related interest. For an OSM or OSMF logo, I've been following this thread with interest. I think Matt's logo, the current OSM logo, is miles better than anything else proposed at the time. Like your offering, Matt contributed a lot of thought, time and expertise in creating and donating a logo. It has served us well and as mentioned earlier in this thread, Has anybody left the project because of the logo? Of course I still can't leave well enough alone, so how about: Rather than a flag, marking a point on a grid, how about a pen, or hand wielding a pen, drawing a road? On the left, a field of 1s and 0s for the data, and on the right the aforementioned road as part of a junction?[2] Clearly inspired and informed by Matt's magnifying glass revealing the underlying data, but showing instead the progression from data to information, and the hand of the contributor (or their pen).[3] [1] that is to say, "I have no clue, I'm not a graphic artist, but I feel like I have to put my fingerprints on this." [2] /Ibid./ [3] /Ibid./ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Gregory wrote: > "If you derive information from observing our PhotoMaps, and include that > information in a work, you will own that work, and may distribute it to > others under a Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (CC-BY-SA) licence." > So make sure you add them in the source, and I guess we're assuming that's > enough attribution. Adding them to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution seems like a good idea, but I see a potential problem. Have any of the au community who are so enthusiastically using nearmap as a source considered the effect of the OSM license upgrade to ODbL? Will all nearmap-sourced data have to be reverted / removed? Or has the au community approached nearmap and received their written consent to relicense data derived from their images as ODbL? I see that they mention OpenStreetMapS <-- that terminal "s" again, most-common typo, ever! in their terms of use, and they certainly seem pretty awesome all around. But what's up with the license upgrade? Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] new logo
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Robert Martinez wrote: > Hello OpenStreetMappers, > > I would love to offer a special contribution to the project: a new logo! Dear Robert, Thank you for contributing your time and expertise to the logo design that you have offered. F/LOSS projects are open to contributions other than code. Code being the raison d'être in F/LOSS gets the most attention. Other contributions are sometimes overlooked, or desired but missing. Certainly there are clearer processes in many projects for accepting code than there are for other contributions. So thank you. Thank you for offering the graphic, for starting this conversation about this particular logo and for reminding us that OSM has many components. OSM is code, and data, and documentation, and graphics, and cartography, and testing and marketing and community building and much more. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Tanveer Singh wrote: > Hi, > I am aware that I can download .osm file for a certain region and then > create gmapsupp.img for my garmin receiver. > I was wondering if I can do the following > 1. Download .osm file for a region > 2. Open it in some GUI tool > 3. Add a few tracks and waypoints > 4. Re-save the OSM data, with the tracks now saved as roads or whatever as > part of my .osm data > 5. Create garmin map > This will enable me to have custom tracks for region where there are no > maps. > Any help? Dear Tanveer, I would expect that you could do that. The ideal method would be to map that unmapped region in advance, share the data by contributing it to OSM, then load the map on your device. This way all users benefit from the improved map as you benefit from using OSM. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] NLS Maps API - online historical mapping of Great Britain for use in mashups (fwd)
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:42 AM, martin dodge wrote: > > this might be of interest to some on the list. > cheers > martin > > Original Message > Subject: NLS Maps API - online historical mapping of Great Britain for > use in mashups > Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:33:40 +0100 > From: Fleet, Christopher > To: , > > We are pleased to launch a new historical mapping application, [ ... ] > > For more information, please view http://geo.nls.uk/maps/api/ [ ... ], or used to create other copyright free > maps (such as OpenStreetMap). [ ... ] Dear Christopher, Sounds like an interesting project. Your characterization of OpenStreetMap as copyright-free is incorrect. We, like you, create a map that is generously licensed for wide use beyond the general copyright exceptions[1]. But our map, like yours is also copyright. Best regards, Richard [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Liz wrote: > On Thu, 6 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Tyler Ritchie wrote: >> > That right there says more about the introductory documentation than >> > really anyone else has been able to articulate. >> >> I'm struggling to find any method of signing up to OSM and modifying >> data that makes it look like a game. >> > well the introductory page on the wiki is not one to help you see OSM as a > serious project > its messy > it contains all sorts of things which suggest "game" > like the lolcat bit > and "Show me the map! I want to see maps; get out of my way! " > The use of colour all over the page detracts from the actual heading and > leading explanatory sentence which are lost between the language list and the > pretty colours below There are several suggestions for the front page here. Some of them have already been implemented. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page Since you are advocating a substantial redesign perhaps you could draft something? I'm certain that the current designers weren't aiming for game-like, messy or distracting use of colo(u)r. SteveC suggested a draft design change for www.openstreetmap.com a short while ago. Several folks collaborated on a wiki front page a few years back, but that was only adopted at http://openstreetmap.ca/ What do you have in mind? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM composer not open source?
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:07 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > Yes, > my point was a bit to much, of course I wont decompile and publish the > "source". > but the essence of my question is, without a license, what is the > terms of usage of such a software? It is unclear. That is what is > worrying me. > mike It would be covered by copyright automatically.[1] You would have no additional rights unless they are explicitly granted. What was the response when you asked the author? Perhaps they seek another developer / contributor and would consider the GPL? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Updates for JOSM
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Irene Pucci wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone knows if there is the possibility to have new updates for JOSM > or where I can find it? Thank you so much, have a nice day > Irene Already replied on Newbies list. http://josm.openstreetmap.de ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] features of a given type within bounding box
[set reply back to list] On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Dan Yamins wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Richard Weait wrote: [ trimmed ] >> You might check with talk-us to see if somebody is already working on >> zip codes. The first problem might be finding a source for the zipcode >> data that is license-compatible with OSM. >> > > Got it. I will ask, as you suggest. I should have added one more > question in my list: > > 3) Given that OSM does have this capability (module which files are loaded), > what API syntax do I use to access it generally? I think I understand how > to capture lists of counties, states, etc... using the > > /[place=BLAH][bbox=BLAH] > > syntax. But what about zipcodes? For instance, > > > http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/*[addr:postcode][bbox=-74,40,-72,42] > > yields lists of points. My question is therefore: is "postal_code" even > going to considered one of the types of "places", in the OSM project? Or the > equivalent? Or is this a question I should ask to talk-us specifically as > well? The last conversation I recall discussed the relative merits of post codes as nodes vs. post codes as areas. Clearly OSM would prefer one zip code schema for the planet, rather than one per country. For context, consider this awesome 3 minute video by Derek Sivers. The video is both informative and better than Cats! http://sivers.org/jaddr XAPI will certainly be one way to access the data by bounding box. You may choose to post-process the result, refine the query, or both. Your query will depend on the implementation decided by the community. As an alternative, you might consider setting up a local OSM spatial database so that you can grow your own interesting queries. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] features of a given type within bounding box
[you sent direct, rather than to the list. I fix. ;-)] On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Dan Yamins wrote: > >> > >> > /node[place=postal_code][bbox=W,S,E,N] >> >> Try it. You should find that it works, but that zip code coverage is >> uneven. >> > > Hm ... either it's not working, or zip code coverage is so uneven that there > really aren't any in the Northeastern US ... ? > > For instance: > > /node[place=postal_code][bbox=-85,40,-72,47] > > yields no results. Am I doing something wrong? Or is US zip code coverage > essentially nil? Try http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node[addr:postcode][bbox=-85,40,-72,47] Works like a champ. zip codes got added to the Karlsruhe Schema for addressing data. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_schema ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] features of a given type within bounding box
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Dan Yamins wrote: > Thanks Carsten and Ciprian for your quick responses. I really appreciate > it. > > I'm assuming that you both are suggestion that I do something like: > > /node[place=county][bbox=W,S,E,N] > > This seems like it definitely works. Thank you for your help! > > Is there some way of doing this for US postal_codes as well? I guess what > I'm asking is: is there an equivalent of > > /node[place=postal_code][bbox=W,S,E,N] Try it. You should find that it works, but that zip code coverage is uneven. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of Marinas changed
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Patrick Kilian wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a reason why Mapnik's rendering of leisure=marina has change from a blue area to a dashed border line? >>> IIRC there was a discussion in #osm which basically went like this: >>> [..] >>> "ok lets make it a blue dashed line and see who complains". >> >> Count me as a complainer... I was wondering about that blue dashed line >> too - it does not fit well with the surrounding estuary and open sea. >> >> I'm in the process of mapping a marina and I spontaneously only tagged >> as a leisure=marina the water portion that is occupied by the harbour. > Open a trac ticket for mapnik then. Neither Steve nor the others in that > discussion had a strong opinion. Note that I didn't take part in that > discussion but merely witnessed it. I remember that discussion, or one similar. The question at hand was how to distinguish the marina land area and water area from the surrounding land and water. The old-style marina-as-water made marina land area appear to be water. An outline, like administrative boundaries, does not have that flaw. A similar argument was made for national parks. Rather than painting them all green, show the boundary, let the distinct areas within show through. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to make Rails_port connect to local Postgresql Database
2010/4/14 Nguyễn Tuấn Linh Gmail > First, I'm a newbee here, thanks you for your reading, and I apologize > for my bad English... > > - I setup Rails_port, PostgreSQL, imported my city data by using Osmosis > correctly. > - My Rails_port run normally, but it just load data from OSM data, not from > my local Postgresql data. > > So, How can I fix this problem. Thanks again [image: smile] > Welcome to OpenStreetMap, Nguyễn Tuấn Linh. What do you plan to do with a local copy of Rails port? To render OSM data people most often use city, country or planet data in a postGIS database, and then mapnik or osmarender to generate the rendered images. If you wish to serve tiles, consider adding OpenLayers, and mod_tile or tirex. <>___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC project idea
2010/4/12 Iván Sánchez Ortega : > On Monday 12 April 2010 23:46:30 OJ W wrote: >> Given a location x: >> For every point that's 30 miles away from that location: >> Route from that point to x > > Oooh, so you really want a spanning tree calculator. Algorithmically speaking, > it pays up to calculate a spanning tree instead of singular routes. "Spider map, spider map, spanning tree looks like a spider map..." ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] private mail on wiki??
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Liz wrote: > Is there a means of PM a person who [on the wiki]? Visit their wiki user page, select email this user from the menu on the lower left? I think you have to log in to see this option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Nic Roets wrote: > Hello Graham, > > Be aware that the GTK code that draws rotated text (Pango) is quite > slow. You can ask Willem-Jan De Hoog who ported gosmore to the maemo. > > Richard, are you aware that most "oddball GPSs" are WinCE powered and > that OSM has several apps for them. Sometimes you need to browse the > HPC-factor forums or the gpspassions forums to see how it can be > unlocked (MioPocket is a very nice replacement shell). I recently > bought a new Mio. The builtin app is good, but the maps are a bit out > dated. So if I compare it to Gosmore + OSM it is actually quite good: > Very up-to-date map with cycling features and PoIs, but without house > numbers, pretty rendering and a few other features. Give it a year or > two and some people will actually consider it to be an upgrade. Thank you, Nic. So MioPocket can unlock some of these devices, then allow use of say Gosmore + OSM data? Can OSM be converted to the format used by these devices? Or must one jailbreak the device and install another application in order to use the OSM data? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Graham Jones wrote: > Hi All, > I wondered if anyone is using a TomTom SatNav with OpenStreetMap maps? [ ... > ] > Can anyone provide me with any pointers please? +1 from me. I get a question at about one in three of the events I attend regarding TomTom or other oddball GPS devices. My fall back is to just recommend what I'm using, even with the drawbacks of a reverse-engineered format. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Wheelmap.org
Hi All, Just saw wheelmap.org for the first time. It uses an OSM basemap to emphasize wheelchair accessible locations. It looked really good to me, until their server appeared to crumble under the load of their new traffic. I was unable to determine their base-location but the site language appears to be German. Before they became unavailable I was able to get a quick look at their html source. They use the Usual Suspects: http://www.openlayers.org/api/OpenLayers.js"; type="text/javascript"> http://www.openstreetmap.org/openlayers/OpenStreetMap.js"; type="text/javascript"> and they appear to be trying to Do The Right Thing with cc-by-sa Lizenz: Karten, Daten: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/deed.de"; class="cc-by-sa">Namensnennung-Weitergabe unter gleichen Bedingungen 2.0 US-amerikanisch (nicht portiert) I was not able to see the license details on the page when I could reach the site. I wonder if a German-speaking OSMer could gently offer them some support and advice to wheelmap.org? Perhaps help them with their css, and refine the attribution to include "OSM.org and contributors". To be sure, they have a bigger problem right now with perhaps more traffic than they expected. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Project of the Week 04 April 2010 - "Play Ball!"
This week marks the beginning of the 2010 Major League Baseball season in the USA.[1] Let's get out and map the major league parks and their surroundings. Get the ball park to be sure, but let's also make sure that the points of interest to a visiting ball fan are mapped as well. That means restaurants and bars, fast food and public parking lots, souvenir shops and pharmacies (for sunscreen and bug spray). Street addresses very much appreciated. Read more about this Project of the Week, how you can participate and some examples. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week/2010/Apr_04 And a call for participation! Do you have a mapping story that you would like to share? Do you have a mapping project that could use some help? Are you starting to think that my PotW postings are a little too, um, similar? You can help by contributing a PotW. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week/Proposals [1] and Toronto. :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Brian Quinion wrote: >> boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code >> street_postal_code = 425253 > > I'm having difficulties in grasping this concept. In Germany we have > 5-digit post codes, and the associated regions vary in size depending on > how densely populated an area is. So a five-digit code might sometimes > encompass a whole region, sometimes a town, sometimes just a quarter. > That doesn't technically make them different kinds of post codes, and > any labeling like "street/district/city" would be purely the mapper's guess. Wikipedia tells me that partial Canadian Postal codes are useful to the post office[1]. In K1A 0B1 - K is the postal district, K1A is the Forward Sortation Area and 0B1 is the Local Delivery Unit. Sounds like "internal use only" to me. > Are there really countries where if you ask someone for their post code > they will reply "do you mean my street post code or my district post code"? In my experience, in Canada folks will only answer with their complete 6-digit postal code (If they know it at all.) In the US, Zip Codes changed from 5 numeric digits to 9 numeric digits in 1983[2]. In my experience I am much more likely to hear just the old 5-digit Zip Code rather than the Zip+four that could be considered the official zip code in conversation. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Canada [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_codes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > Why are US Zip codes being dragged into a discussion of German postal codes? Did you know that the US calls their postal codes, Zip Codes? Considering post code usage in multiple countries is a good idea before developing a post code schema for a global map. Frederik started this thread by asking what schema others were using. I hope that we can "trick" him into creating another really useful schema for all of us. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:31 AM, colliar wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Also hi > > Frederik Ramm schrieb: >> we're thinking about importing post code areas in Germany. Are post >> code areas being mapped in other countries already, and if so, using >> what tagging schema? > > +1 > >> I was thinking of creating multipolygon boundary relations with >> boundary=post_code_area or so. > > In rural areas you often can use the administrative boundaries but in cities > this often does not work, because the postcode boundaries differe to the > suburb > boundaries. I added the postcode to a associatedStreet relation using > addr:postcode=* and split the relation in parts (one for each postcode) if > there > exists more then one. Canadian Postal Codes can indicate an entire small town, or a portion of a very large building. Suburban Postal Codes often refer to a dozen or so houses on one side of the street. Neighbours on the other side of the street, or across the back yard have a different postal code. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Canada#Components_of_a_postal_code ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET : > Hi, > It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of > individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press > release: > http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management). > But, I still can answer. Dear Cédric, OpenAdresses is an interesting idea as a simpler interface for address data. The intent to synchronize the data with OSM makes sense. The current situation with OSM data cc-by-sa and OpenAddresses data cc-by seems broken. Shouldn't the licenses be synchronized so that the data can be synchronized? OpenAddresses is failing the share-alike obligation. Do you understand that some will see that as a serious problem. This issue will persist when OSM upgrades to the ODbL license. Can you bring this problem to the attention of the OpenAddresses community and resolve it? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ANNOUNCEMENT: maxspeed map
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > I never sent an announcement here so i think its time do so. I have built > a maxspeed map - visualizing the max speed for highways. This map exists > for over a year for Germany only, but now that i got more Hardware i am > be able to provide it globally. > > Nevertheless - the map visualizes maxspeed, width, hazmat, maxweight, > maxheight, hgv, goods, lit and smoothness. Dear Florian, This is great. Thanks for extending coverage to the rest of the World. Every time we get a new map like this our data improves. We're getting more of these great specialty maps like maxspeed, dupe_nodes, waychains, coastline checker, OpenStreetBugs, keepright, ... I lose track of them. Maybe we can put them on the tag-pages to which they apply, and put them all in an index of some sort. (You know, something more specialized than Google.) Please help add others. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Visualization#FIXME ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interleaving GPS traces with video?
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Laurence Penney wrote: > Does anyone have any experience interleaving GPS traces with video? > > Some friends of mine are asking about it in relation to skiing and > motor-racing, but one could also imagine it being of use to mappers. Ideally > I'd like to look up a "time since start of shot" and find the location. You > could also look at such a system as generating ~30 geo-referenced photos per > second. Are there any video formats that handle this in one file, or > standards for having a GPX alongside a video file? Photo mapping synchronizes your photos with your gpx track http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Photo_mapping ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data
Many of the coastlines in OSM came from an import of the PGS coastline data. It was a fantastic benefit to be able to add this coastline data to OSM, and we're better off having had it. And there are many places that have aerial imagery that is now good enough to improve on PGS coastlines. So that is the project of the week for 28 March, 2010, check your favorite bit of coastline and improve what you can with overhead imagery. Those without a favorite bit of unimproved coastline might take a look at the crenelated coasts of North America for examples of what can be improved. This http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=41.044&lon=-72.1591&zoom=14 is a portion of Long Island with aged PGS coastline that fails to meet our current standards for Good Coastiness. Sure, it will be fixed up by the time the second reader gets to it, but have a look at that area in the original bulk import form, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/693806 . Okay, perhaps we can make our current imports a little friendlier to view. And now a sea change Let's improve the Project of the Week while we're improving the map. Let's increase participation. If you are participating in potw, consider posting some of your before and after shots of the areas you are mapping. Reply with your comments and links to your good work. Consider adding "potw" to your changesets. It's nice to know if you find a project of the week interesting. Propose a Project of the Week. Write it up and add it to the Proposals page, or email me directly. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week/Proposals Make general or specific suggestions regarding potw on the discussion page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Project_of_the_week/Proposals Share your project! Detailed, written potw proposals are very warmly welcomed. Tell us what you are doing, show us how it is making a difference, and let us know how we can help you with your project locally, or by replicating it in our neighborhood. Give some example tags and guidelines if you can. The massively successful Image of the Week project has been running since 2006, and is now a flipbook history of What Was New In OSM. Plus a couple of entertaining April Fool images. Part of the strength of the IotW is the indefatigable leadership of User:Ojw who has kept it running for five years. Much of the strength of IotW comes from the community interest. Folks do something interesting, make an image, and share it with IotW. Let's see if we can make potw at least half as interesting and informative as IotW. Join in, won't you? If you haven't seen IotW (What? Is that possible?!?!) You must see it now. Prepare to spend an hour learning the visual history of OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_images ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Gaz Davidson wrote: ... > I guess it could just stop updating the node once a user has deleted > it from OSM's database, but I wouldn't remove it from my source list. Anybody check to see if one of the existing wifi data collectors has this, or the other technical and maintenance issues solved? Sounds like a mash-up of their specialty data would be a lot easier then starting from scratch. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Motion sensors for navigation
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:03 AM, John Smith wrote: > I'm not sure about gyroscopes, since they can't be done on a chip, but > there is other techniques to get G forces and direction... Cool things can be done with MEMS. Introduced in December 2002 now scheduled for obsolescence http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Gyroscope_on_a_chip_is_industrys_first-article-DECHL3-DEC2002.aspx Replaced by http://www.analog.com/en/sensors/inertial-sensors/adxrs613/products/product.html at ~$30/each ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: mod_cache for OSM tiles?
And to the list as well. -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Weait Date: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] mod_cache for OSM tiles? To: Paul Houle On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Paul Houle wrote: > Hi, I'm using the OSM slippy maps on a site of mine and I'm > starting to think about loading time and reliability. > > Even though my site is graphically intensive, I find that OSM tiles > are usually the last to load. I'm thinking about using mod_cache or > something similar to cache the tiles... Does anyone have experience > doing this? Some use tilecache for this. Mod_tile / renderd quickly render tiles on demand, and serve existing tiles quickly. Tirex is a newer entry to the mod_tile / renderd space. Have a look and see if these are what you seek. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mod_tile http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TileCache http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tirex ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap ftp server
Dear Richard (Degelder), This is good news. Thank you for this. I've forwarded this to Frank as well. A question for you and Benjamin. Would it be possible to run a server similar to the Corine import server, used by the French community at Think|Haus? This would render the GeoBase data in a way that it can be displayed on top of existing OSM. This allows a casual user to view and evaluate the GeoBase data and mark it for inclusion or exclusion from OSM. Best regards, Richard (Weait) On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Richard Degelder wrote: > Sorry about the delays since the last comments but we ran into some issues. > At this time however we are about to make an ftp server available for the > processed GeoBase files that we are using for the import into OSM. The > server will be hosted by Think|Haus, the Hamilton ON Hacker Space. > > The idea is that there will be upload privileges granted to those that are > processing the GeoBase for OSM files and wanting to store the results on a > server for anyone to access. The files will be accessible to anyone wanting > to downloading them, there are no restictions on accessing them. > > Those wanting to comment on the idea and wanting to participate should > contact Benjamin Tompkins at benjamin at thinkhaus.org > > Thank you. > > Richard > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licence Information best practice
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: > Hi all > > Is there a html snippet somewhere, that shows the OSM licence information? > The map at http://osm.org does not show licence information inside the > slippy map. > > I want to add that to my map. > But I want it to be very small (not too much pixel). > The user wants to see that map not the licence. > > A small OSM logo would be very nice. Dear Bernhard, You can start here and find some useful links. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F I think that we could really do better than this. A collection of icons in various sizes is an excellent idea. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] we've got to be around 4 million now
So we have to be around four million change sets now. What's that you say? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/400 Oh, well played, sir! Excellent choice of editor. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Richard Weait wrote: >>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II >>> wrote: >>>> It's been a day with no response from "lkrevert". Can somebody please >>>> take care of this? >>I generally allow other mappers a week to respond to site-mail before >>I send another note. They might be away from mapping for a bit. > > And a week from now half the ways in the changeset will probably have > been edited, making a restoration very complicated. Is it the intent > here that those with the technical know-how to revert can make a > "first strike", leaving others unable to act? You're attached to your editing work. I can understand that. What is in this (big) changeset that ikrevert reverted? I had a very superficial look and see that your edits don't include the simple TIGER fix of expanding the road types from Rd to Road and Ave to Avenue. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Anyone? > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> It's been a day with no response from "lkrevert". Can somebody please >> take care of this? I generally allow other mappers a week to respond to site-mail before I send another note. They might be away from mapping for a bit. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How inaccurate was the mapnik distance/scale marker?
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Egil Hjelmeland wrote: > Dave F. wrote: >> So one of the mapnik guys could implement it quite easily then? >> > I don't think it is related to mapnik. It is the javascript code served > by the web-site that wraps up the map rendered by mapnik, osmarender or > what so ever. It is part of the javascript code running in your browser > which handles panning, zooming and selection of map-layer. If you are > thinking of the map on openstreetmap.org, that would have be done by the > maintainers of that site. Egil, perhaps you would contribute your Mercator Scaleline to OpenLayers? http://trac.openlayers.org/wiki/FilingTickets ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?
I was initially impressed with the German example of area mapping but I have had a change of heart. While an interesting experiment, and relatively well implemented in the small test area, I just don't think area mapping of ordinary roads makes sense. To do area mapping without also doing the traditional OSM vector mapping of those roads just seems like low-grade vandalism to me. Why would a mapper choose to say, "I'm going to make a really detailed representation of road width and corner radii, that looks great on one renderer at one zoom level, and I just don't care that it breaks routing, breaks street names, and takes my time away from mapping other roads, or addresses, or crosswalks." I don't get it. It seems a very limited view of the map for one specific, perhaps selfish implementation. I expect to find wide variation in what individual mappers find worthy of their mapping time. When you consider that we have a map that we can improve with roads, intersection, interchanges, rivers and other waterways, cycle and multi-use paths, snowmobile trails, kayak routes, canoe portages, trees, steps, power pylons and lines, turn restrictions, businesses, buildings, zoos with penguin enclosures, street lighting, fire hydrants, and so many other things *deep breath*. Some will map half of these things, and many will map a much smaller subset. I understand why some mappers do cycle trails and others do coffee shops and bowling alleys. How much does the width of one road, plus the radius of the curb at the junction really add to the map? And this is all while ignoring so many other features. And as far as I can tell, these appeals to show reality more accurately extend only as far as the paved driving surface. Even the curbs are ignored. No curb:height or curb:width? Not even any indication of curb ramps, crosswalks, or audible crossing assistance? The focus is just on this idea that the curb has a radius. Students at the University of Maryland have even built a pedestrian routing system that allows choosing sloped curbs, and avoids steep inclines. http://seamster.cs.umd.edu:8090/map/index.html# Check the data, they don't bother with area-mapped roads. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.987313&lon=-76.941263&zoom=18&layers=B000FTTT Having said all of this, and this email is too long to read, corners with curb radii can look nice. Why not put energy into allowing a renderer to draw the radius for you? Surely this can be abstracted in a way that creates a sensible corner for a large class of general intersections? Why tag and draw every blade of grass, when we can create a polygon of natural=grass? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: > I live in a place where I feel the need to map some streets as areas. If > I start a little of such mapping, will routing software get confused? Perhaps. That may vary by router? What is it about these streets that requires areas? Does this extend to your town and state as well? Can you give us a link to this area? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Estate_Agent
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 4:29 PM, wrote: > And though it might be a lot of work, I think tags have to be approved before > being referenced in the wiki, even when existing tags obviously show one main > usage. > > And Roy got it all right : as I like to complete the wiki... I'll help some > Proposed Features to go on ! Have a look at OSMDoc http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/shop/#values Put estate in the search box and you'll see existing use of estate_agent and related tags. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Should roads be connected to all types of crossing ways?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Liz wrote: > On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> I was told at http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2708 to take this >> here. Basically, the TIGER import has put a lot of duplicate nodes >> where highways cross railways, power and pipe lines, and >> administrative boundaries. The former should definitely be connected, >> but it seems that power lines, (maybe) pipelines, and boundaries >> should not be joined to roads. Does this sound reasonable? >> > Think about using the router in future. > "Turn right along PowerLine" > "Turn left along the Boundary" > Then it is easy to decide. > Tom's example of the railway level crossing is marked by a special node to > indicate that it is not for routing in normal circumstances. Your router example still works. Even if you and I aren't going to turn left at "highway=railway; railway=narrow_gauge" we had best give way to traffic there. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wine Farm and Wellness Spa Tagging
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Ian Mc Shane wrote: > Regarding wellness spa tagging. > > I am thinking of: > name=XYZ > amenity=* > healthcare=spa > building=yes > This is based on what I dug up on looking at the German tagging of doctors > rooms and old age homes etc. > > Anybody have any thoughts or comments? I've been using shop=beauty for spas, tanning, nail salons, and similar. Then discriminating between them with the name tag. shop=beauty name=Something or other Spa Certainly using beauty=spa / tanning / nails / massage / etc. would work if needed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Monitoring and coordination tools, Haiti
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > - What tools are available to see in real time which areas have been mapped > recently? Would it be possible to filter activity by type of features? > (itomapper doesn't seem to have updating data) > - Any ideas on another tool that would allow people to "check out" an area > for a period of time? This would enforce anything in the API, but simply > easily notify other people of activity. > > This would be helpful for general coordination among us mapping in Haiti. > There is also a very particular need ... the European Commission is > collecting damaged building assessments. We want to be very systematic in > analyzing pre- and post- disaster imagery for damaged buildings. Openstreetbugs seems wide open in Haiti. It requires mappers to make that extra step to sign out and sign in though. http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/?zoom=9&lat=18.94843&lon=-72.76891&layers=B00T ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: [ ... ] > Anyway, the answer to my question seems to be "use your own judgment, don't > tell anyone where you got the information from, and everything will be ok". > Which is a weird answer, but ok. Well no. The answer is "no it is not okay." The answer is, "We don't copy other maps at OpenStreetMap because we respect copyright law and related rights, even if we disagree with some aspects of them. We're an international project with the lofty and noble goal of providing excellent, unencumbered geodata to anyone and we hold ourselves to very high standards. In terms of copyright and derivation we aim to be cleaner than clean." Or as the help page in Potlatch says: "Don't copy from other maps!" and "Did we mention about not copying from other maps?" Or as the JOSM message page says, "Don't copy from other maps" And as Richard Fairhurst pointed out above, "Quick answer as requested: 1. Your jurisdiction may give databases of facts protection over and above the facts themselves. Simplifying hugely, the EU does, the US doesn't. http://www.iusmentis.com/databases/ for more. 2. The Terms of Use for Google Maps (or whatever) may forbid it through contract." I hope if you run across others who may think that it is okay to sneak around permission to derive, that you will convince them that it is not okay. Have them hold themselves to the same high standards of the vast majority of the OSM community. Be proud of the data you provide to OSM and of the ways that you acquire it. As insufferable as I sound, and I do, you've suggested "copying with a wink and a nod" because it is easier. That sounds to me like you've been invited to a party, but you've decided to dance in your muddy work boots. Don't kick mud over the rest of us on the dance floor. Leave your boots at the door and dance in your socks. ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - source example and question about who can input what
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:31 AM, wrote: > I not long ago received a photocopy of a hand-drawn map of the roadway > network within a company's manufacturing site, [ ... ] > This raises a related interesting situation. [ ... ] Rather, such release > would need to go through internal legal channels and be approved by someone > who does have the authority to sign away the copyright; such authority may be > vested jointly in the head legal counsel and the President of the business. [ ... ] > Looking at accessible street signs suddenly seems much easier in light of > this. Dear ceyockey, You've presented an interesting situation. It almost seems easier to approach your situation orthogonally. One might consider approaching the marketing team at the firm with "Hey look at this cool map. I can put an accurate and up to date map of your campus on this world map!" Marketing will have a process in place for what they can and can't do for the company in terms of marketing. So rather than an abstract Open Map Thing, for which they have no internal model, it's just a marketing thing. As an alternative, approach them from an education perspective. Perhaps a local high school student is doing a project on a local business? Or from a community perspective approach every business in the area about putting them all in to an up to date business area map. Sometimes, just showing a printout of the area with some other businesses on it, but a prominent empty spot where they should be is enough to have them ask you to add them to the map. In each case, you can take a marketing, education or community angle, get approval from marketing and have non-staff do the mapping with permission as a service to the firm. All of that is easier than approaching the legal department and saying, "Want to release this information?" For some firms, you might even be able to host a presentation about OSM as part of their Lunch and Learn program. If you find an internal champion for OSM they might agree to host a future mapping party. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Implications of using aggregated/statistical data from both licenses (ODbL and CC-by-SA) for OSMdoc?
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Lars Francke wrote: >> At the moment I'm displaying statistical data about a snapshot of >> the OSM data. > > Hooee, this is probably the single trickiest question I've seen. > > I can't find any precedents for whether aggregate statistics such as > OSMdoc's are considered derivative works. My gut feeling, and no more than > that, is that they probably aren't. You are not really deriving any > information that's in the OSM database and offering it up for reuse. Lars' use case is a produced work[*]. How do we make this clear to the community and clearly permitted in the license? Our draft community guidelines on Produced Work[1] say: "If it was intended for the extraction of the original data, then it is a database and not a Produced Work. Otherwise it is a Produced Work. " Lars' Produced Work is a database, but his database is a list of keys and values with use totals. The Produced Work drops the geo location data and the connectivity data from OSM. This irreversibly prevents recreating or extracting the original data. So by the community guideline above OSMDoc is a Produced Work. Best regards, Richard [*] I've made some assumptions about how Lars makes OSMDoc. Corrections welcome. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Produced_Work_-_Guideline ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Can renderers improve their render quality at lower zoom levels by not > rendering (certain) link roads? Ie, given road A-B-C, with incoming road > D-B, and link D-A, perhaps it could not render D-A. Cartographers (people) can do most anything. Renderers (software) are pretty good too. ;-) In Mapnik, for example, you could select by zoom-level to either render or not render all highway=secondary_link. This is a rendering rule from Mapnik for secondary_link (secondary as well) when zoomed all the way in (from 1:1000 to 1:5000). It shows that the secondary_link will be rendered as 17 pixels wide. Zooming out causes the width to reduce to 12 pixels, 10 pixels, 4 pixels then disappear at scales beyond 1:15 [highway] = 'secondary' or [highway] = 'secondary_link' 5000 1000 #a37b48 17 4,2 You could easily choose to not show secondary_link at scales of your choice. Whether that is an improvement in rendering quality or not would be a judgment call and should consider the intent of your rendering and the interests of your audience. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG
I think the LWG has done a good job on a difficult task. A task that we, as a community, asked them to do for us because we couldn't implement a license change as a group of 20,000 (at the time) individual mappers. I'm glad that the LWG looked after our shared concerns so ably, by consulting with lawyers, the Creative Commons, the Open Knowledge Foundation and the community at large over the few years of the license discussion to date. Thank you, LWG. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:10 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > I have been subscribed to the OSM-talk mailing list for about two months now; > this current discussion is the first that I have heard of the license-change > issue. So, if there has been ongoing discussion of the issue in the last > couple of months, it hasn't been on the general list. Hi John, Hi Shalabh, Two months on talk? If you haven't been welcomed to OSM before, "Welcome". I hope that you aren't feeling left out of the license discussion. Nobody has been deliberately hiding it from you. You might have missed a recent mention of it as talk is pretty busy. Or you might have found the discussion in the talk archives as it has come up before. You might also have seen references in the wiki, on IRC, or in local OSM meetups, mapping parties or presentations. Still, you might have missed it as nobody really made it their job to see to it the everybody knew. There are so many ways to enjoy OSM that don't include poring through archives that it really is possible to miss topics of discussion that have been going on for a while. As I remember it, the legal-talk list formed because many on talk were tired of seeing the license-related topics dominate the list. So I watched the legal-talk list for a bit then stopped. I decided that those passionate enough about the license topic were also well-informed enough that I didn't have to keep an eye on them in order to see my interests defended. I listened in on some of the License Working Group calls as well and read some of the minutes but frankly decided that they were covering my concerns and that I didn't need to take an active role in the discussion. Every time I peeked in on things on talk-legal and the LWG they seemed to be asking the questions that I wanted answers for, and consulting the people I'd want to consult like IP lawyers and CreativeCommons. I don't regret my decision. As the license discussion is new to you, I hope that you'll realize that you don't have to decide right now. Even if you are a foundation member, your vote isn't due for three weeks so you can read some material and think on it for a while. And if you have never really thought about the license before now, you might consider continuing that way by continuing to map and enjoy OSM and just see how the licensing wind blows over the next while. Some of the discussion may seem heated that the moment. That doesn't meant that you have to decide to take that deep an interest in the license discussion. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector now world-wide and with additional views
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > the Geofabrik "OSM Inspector" (tools.geofabrik.de/osmi), a debugging > tool, now supports worldwide daily data (previously Europe only) for the > important views, as well as several other new features. > > If you are interested, there's more about it on: > http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=27 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, ... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Congratulations, community. was: Cloudmade routing
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/12/1 Gregory Williams >> >> "B" over each end of the bridge. So, my guess is that the bridge isn't in >> Cloudmade's underlying routing data for some reason. > > +1. Looking on other places on the map I guess the data is at least 1 week > old. Martin's comment above made me think about how participating in OpenStreetMap has changed my perspective. That we can look at a map and observe that the data is perhaps one week out of date is amazing to me. I can't imagine saying / hearing that before my participation in OSM. Look at what the OpenStreetMap community has done for us and to us! We expect perfection. :-) So if, in fact, CloudMade has week-old data that is giving sub-optimal routing results in this case, I think that we should congratulate ourselves and them. Look at how much we have come to expect from our maps. We must be doing something right. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapping libraries
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Sunday 29 Nov 2009 5:38:19 pm Graham Seaman wrote:
>> I have a requirement to provide maps for libraries (buildings with
>> books, not software libraries..), needing to be able to zoom in to shelf
>> level. I wondered about leveraging the osm tools for this, and using an
>> osm mapserver to provide the maps. Possible or mad? Has anyone ever done
>> anything similar - internal maps for any types of building? ('open
>> corridor map' maybe ;-)
>>
>
> no big deal - zoom level of 22-24 should handle it - although you cannot use a
> GPS instrument, a measuring tape would do the trick.
You will have to decide how to address multi-floor libraries, as OSM
does not currently handle this well. OpenLibraryMap sounds like fun.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) > stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping > everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Should we > go for it now ? Ævar's example is interesting. Looks like somebody is doing some area- / micro- mapping in OSM as well. Open this in an editor to see all of the detail work. http://bestofosm.org/?type=mapnik&lon=11.42994&lat=51.30053&zoom=18 Some will look at this and say, "Too much! Impractical! We must map City $n first." Others will say, "Where is the detail? I don't see catch-basins. Where are the expansion joints in the sidewalk? No height tag for the curb; what shoddy work! That mapper hasn't drawn areas for the painted lines on the road!" Each of us will have a different perspective on how much detail is enough or too much. Why not show us your examples as Ævar and Mirko Küster have. I think that there are a number of interesting challenges ahead for area- / micro- mapping. And probably some breathtaking renderings. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Ok, since I'm new here, You're new here? Welcome to OSM. > I'll ask the obvious question: does it matter > whether this stuff is done the same across different countries? Is it > not ok if "cycleway" has slightly different semantics in different > jurisdictions? A map is an abstraction and can not hope to perfectly represent all of the wonderful variations of 'things' we see. There are likely to be several ways to do some of the things that you want to do. Some of these variations will have subtle benefits and some will be matters of personal preference. Others will be noticeably different than what you will see in other jurisdictions. Look to see what other are doing locally and in similar places. Learn and adapt what you see as best practice in other places. Have fun. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ADDING THE ABILITY TO Mapping everything as areas
Looks like somebody is doing some area- / micro- mapping. http://bestofosm.org/?type=mapnik&lon=11.42994&lat=51.30053&zoom=18 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it time for a higher zoom level?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Arlindo Pereira wrote: >> >> So, I was wondering: Isn't it time for a higher zoom level? > Yeah, that'd be great, of course :) In this recent thread from this list, Kenneth discovered how to render additional zoom levels locally. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg23773.html Perhaps you can run some local tests and show the benefit of z+n to get broad support? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: >> http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=40148 >> >> what to do with OSM mappers like these guys in this post? >> >> They say that they are using Google Earth images :( > > I replied in the thread as I'm near there. We'll see if there is any > follow-up. Well, his reply does not fill me with joy. "It was my mistake :blush: for openly stating what I was doing with Google Earths images, I should have kept quiet like everyone else." Oh dear. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=40148 > > what to do with OSM mappers like these guys in this post? > > They say that they are using Google Earth images :( I replied in the thread as I'm near there. We'll see if there is any follow-up. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Sarah Manley wrote: > What is the status of the forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org? > > Would building this out more maybe solve some of our problems? Preference for email vs web forum varies from community to community. In my limited experience, more-technical groups tend towards email but there are certain to be counter-examples. An interface that merges email and web forum might be ideal. I believe that the Linux Kernel Mailing List uses such a system but I don't know what the drawbacks and compromises are in that system. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] STRATO sponsors three servers for use by OSM
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > the Berlin-based hosting provider STRATO AG is sponsoring three > servers for use by the OSM community. Wonderful news! Congratulations to both FOSSGIS e.V. and STRATO. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How do I connect to openstreetmap via wms so my web application can use openstreetmap as my base layer?
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:47 PM, John Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > > How do I connect to openstreetmap via wms so my web application can use > openstreetmap as my base layer. "Carefully"? ;-) See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy Any use of the system that causes a noticeable load is subject to the admin team cutting you off. So, my use on my unknown site, to help me in mapping stuff is unlikely to be noticed. Use on a hugely successful site with tonnes of traffic is likely to be noticed. So consider the effect your planned use will have on the community. Fortunately, the project provides everything that you need to run your own OSM server and create and serve your own tiles. So your successful Web3.5 site can use all the tiles you need without harming mappers around the world. Lots of guidance on the wiki and other sites starting with OpenLayers. . Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] routing - US interstate type junction -Wichita, KS
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tim Litwiller wrote: > There is a junction on the north end of Wichita KS, that does not route > correctly in the southbound direction. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.7627&lon=-97.3218&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF > > I downloaded the openstreetmap for Garmin from na1400.info and noticed > it there so I tried the same navigation from > http://www.yournavigation.org/ and it did the same thing. I added > bridges to this intersections map a few days ago - but the na1400.info > data doesn't have my changes yet. I have looked at the tags on the > sections of the road and don't see anything unusual. > > cloudmade.com seems to have an older version of the data and on there > the routing works. > > I would like to fix this and if I messed it up I apologize and want to > learn from this so it doesn't happen again. > If someone has time to find the problem - please let me know what it is. where 254 W ramp merges into 81 S, there was an errant node that required a 178 degree turn left, then 178 degree turn right after a few yards. This was bad for my neck at 70 MPH, so I removed it. ;-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/505128415/history That sort of thing happens to me when I edit with potlatch and fumble the mouse. Not an analogy. If you are fixing TIGER stuff, remove the tiger:reviewed=no tags, or change them to yes. I consider layer=0 redundant and leave it out. Others don't. ;-) Interstates, US Routes, State Routes, anything with a highway shield sign, should have a ref=number, so I-254 is ref=254 TIGER had nodes that joined each overpass to each road passing below. Detach those nodes, then delete them. If they add important shape, move them enough that they don't overlap. None of this should break routing.though. There are a couple of typos lay=0 Do you ever change from a layer to a layer more than +/-1? I wonder if that will break routing? Have fun! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Tim Litwiller wrote: > Introduction: > For my work we have a need for mapping "fields" agricultural sections of > land for growing crops. We already put the legal description of the land > in the our invoicing \ work order system and other information about the > field, but we need a way to quickly print a high quality aerial photo of > the section that the land is in and the outline of the field. I only > need to cover 10 counties in central Kansas at least to start with, and > I can get the free US Gov aerial photography and the field outlines from > USDA. Interesting background and use case. Thank you for sharing. > Question: > Would it be possible/feasible to setup a map server like openstreetmap > that shows all the street/roads along with my aerial photography and > field outlines, and then make a search for the field by customer, by > legal description or by field name? Yes. Absolutely. And provide it all as a web interface either with or without usernames and passwords. Many folks are doing similar things. Here is a site that will print a pdf map of a city for you with OSM data and an index. http://www.maposmatic.org/ You'll change a few things. You'll layer aerial images under the road info. You'll search on customer / field information rather than city names. And you'll only work in Kansas instead of France. ;-) Sounds like fun! > If this in not the correct group for this, then what group would I ask > this question? I realize the your system is about street and I want to > misuse it for land areas, but it is such a nice system and looks like a > great framework to start building what I need from. This is not misuse! ;-) "... such as street maps..." is just one popular use. >From the front page of the wiki: "OpenStreetMap creates and provides free geographic data such as street maps to anyone who wants them. The project was started because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. " Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Scanlan wrote: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Richard Weait wrote: > >> Excellent start. Changing arterial streets to highway=secondary will >> help give the city some context. > > I prefer marking arterials as highway=tertiary. There are exceptions, of > course. Some arterials are part of highways connecting cities. No point in > demoting the way just because the state took it's number off when it turned > maintenance over to a city or county. Sorry, Joseph, I was talking about suburban arterials, which I prefer as secondary. I use tertiary to distinguish the preferred route into and out of the subdivision. Often these are wider or have turn lanes and or traffic signals to aid access to the intersecting secondary road. I sometimes use tertiary as arterial roads in rural areas as you suggest. Best regards. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:54 AM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/21 Liz : >> On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: >>> US is meant for US highway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Highways >>> They uses signs with US printed on it. So the symbol needs the same >>> which is different from US interstates where only a capital I is >>> printed on the shield >> Ok, that would make sense, better than here where we have apparently random >> letter combinations on shields which don't occur on the signs at all >> eg NR NH S >> with a numeral which does appear on the highway marker > > I don't recall seeing I and US on signs in the US, although it might > have been the case where I've been. Oh, signs are cool. US Routes. (the "US" is invisible on modern signs, but often spoken as "Take US-23 south to Marion Ohio" or "Take Hugh-Ass Twanny-thray sah-owth tah Marion Ohio.") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_shield Here is a large collection of Interstate, US Route and some other shields. This hints at the diversity of shields. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_auxiliary_Interstate_Highways As an indication of scope, here is a list of State highways in New York, just one densely populated state of fifty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_State_Routes_in_New_York Putnam county is one of sixty-two counties in New York state. Here is a list of their county roads. Putnam uses a common "default" county shield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_county_roads_in_Putnam_County,_New_York Here you can see a few of the non-default county road shields used in some states. Similar defaults and special county road shields are used in Canada as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_highway I've been operating under the presumption that incremental improvements of shield branding across North America would be a good thing. So if initially all county roads show a default county shield until the custom, local county shield is included, I think that is an improvement over the generic UK shield. Thus a tag that supports the beauty of increasingly specific categories leading ultimately to the right shield. Now everything I know about Australian highways I learned from Mel Gibson in _The Road Warrior_ so I have much to learn. What is the shield landscape like in Australia? Relying on polygons for countries / states / counties may encourage both proper ref tagging, and including the right shield graphic. Having the correct polygon is a benefit however we get folks to provide them. Some highways have historic or other cultural weight that earns special signs that may resist selection by polygon. How do polygons help with the special cases like Route 66 and Santa Fe Trail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Trail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_66 Are there special case shields in Australia that you are able to address with boundary polygons and postgres? Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/21 Richard Weait : [ ... ] >> So I suggest we pattern on network=us_i for Interstates, us_us for US >> Routes, us_ny_ny for New York State Routes, us_ny_ny_co for New York >> county roads, etc. These tags should sort nicely alphabetically for >> bug-squashing and allow collision avoidance with imperfect knowledge >> of other international network naming systems. > > What you are doing specifically will end up causing inconsistent data > because you don't see us_ny_ny_co on signs and people won't tag it. Dear John, You underestimate the intelligence of OSM contributors and their motivation to make the map better. Particularly you underestimate their wish for better highway shields. You think increasingly specific network tags are too complicated for OSM contributors? Are you familiar with the great success of the Karlsruhe addressing Schema?[1] ;-) They will tag it. Absolutely they will tag it. When Mapnik support for local shields is adopted on osm.org and announced on talk-US it will take less than 7 days for the US Interstate system to have shiny new shields from coast to coast. I'll send you a bottle of Canadian Maple Syrup if I am wrong. > In the case of US interstate it should just be network=I, state > highways network=S "S" and "I" are so lacking context as to approach line-noise. "us_ny_ny_co" even hints at the right answer, without reading the docs. > That is enough information combined with a database or shape file with > all the meta information about what shield exists in which location, Those are mandatory with your incomplete tags. They are optional with explicit, human-readable tags. > and defaulting to UK style signs if a localised style hasn't been > defined otherwise. I agree that failover to the UK style shield is better than nothing. Best regards, Richard [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM, John Smith wrote: > While my patch works, I don't know if this is the best solution to the > problem or not: > > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/attachment/ticket/1666/osm.xml-patch I have a similar local hack and decided not to pursue it. In North America this approach adds thousands of paragraphs to osm-template.xml, each paragraph more error prone than the previous. I'd rather see ShieldSymbolizer able to build an icon filename from key/value data. At a minimum this is an improvement in the default osm-template.xml as we currently have eight paragraphs for the default motorway shield: [highway] = 'motorway' and [length] = 8 100 100 Eight different paragraphs that vary by ref-length. Just for the default motorway shield. Note that this paragraph appears to have an error as [length] = 8 and file uses mot_shield7.png. I pulled this from svn some time ago so it may have been patched. Much better, would be to allow something like file= "%SYMBOLS_DIR%/mot_shield[length].png" and reduce the default motorway shield to a single paragraph. More to the point for this thread, this can be extended for localized shields as something like: [network] != '' 100 100 Superficially this is a complete solution. All shields selected and rendered in one paragraph. But there are things to be solved still. Selecting a shield is analogous to setting a background color, so font color will change from shield to shield. This needs to be solved. I've removed the height and width parameters as shield will vary in size. Does this cause problems later? This also generalizes away from the non-England problem. In England, highway tags correspond with posted signs. In USA and Canada they do not. State routes often make sense meet motorway, trunk, primary and sometimes secondary standards. The individual paragraph approach worked for England but it doesn't scale for the World. In earlier discussions with Paul (cc:'d) we talked about using the network key to distinguish road networks that use shields[1]. We had agreed on using a ":" separator like "US:I" but I'm arguing against that now. First we are not separating equal items, we're adding specificity to one selector. Second, we're planning to use the network values in filenames, we should choose characters that won't lead to problems in on OS or another when used as a file name. Third OSM key:values have been lower case other than Proper (Street) Names. So I suggest we pattern on network=us_i for Interstates, us_us for US Routes, us_ny_ny for New York State Routes, us_ny_ny_co for New York county roads, etc. These tags should sort nicely alphabetically for bug-squashing and allow collision avoidance with imperfect knowledge of other international network naming systems. I've submitted a ticket with Mapnik requesting an extension to ShieldSymbolizer to support this proposal. Project lead is currently on vacation, so let's not swamp him with more requests. ;-) https://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/352 Best regards, Richard [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Timothy C Litwiller wrote: > I didn't find a newbie list so I've been reading the wiki and this list > for the last week. Welcome, Tim. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies ;-) I don't know how busy that list is, so I signed up too. > I've been working on streets in and around Wichita and Newton, Kansas > for the last week, it seems there has been little done since the tiger > data import, as most freeway(motorway) intersections also connect > directly to the crossing street. I've been disconnecting and making sure > that the entrance and exit ramps match the yahoo image. and adding > bridges to the appropriate way. Excellent start. Changing arterial streets to highway=secondary will help give the city some context. Lots of the streets have abbreviated types. OSM wants Road instead of Rd, and Avenue instead of Ave. That's tedious work though. Change them as you touch them, I guess. Add parks and rivers to give the city some warmth. Add points of interest like businesses to get other locals interested in helping. > But before I do to much damage it would be nice if someone could give me > "constructive criticism" if and what I am missing and if I am doing > things correctly. Wow. Okay. > see this area > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.6777&lon=-97.3922&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF > and > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.0556&lon=-97.3127&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF I don't see glaring errors in my quick glance. If I was really picky I'd say this http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/13092530 should have a node intersecting with the railway marked as highway=level_crossing. The node is currently beside the railway. > I haven't even started describing lanes etc. You current discussion of > lanes on bridges is very interesting and I am assuming some of it also > pertains to lanes in a city setting. Consider that thread an arcane discussion of edge cases that will likely not enter your world. You'll see similar threads on other topics. > also - more questions about roads in a rural setting. > > we have dirt and/or sand or gravel roads every mile - I think I'll put > surface=unpaved and surface=dirt, is there a preferred way to designate > , like the UPS and Fedex men have maps, of which roads are not passable > when wet? > then about about every 5 - 10 miles there will be a county road that is > very rough pavement and between towns or out to the state or US highways > there will be a better paved road, then the US or state highway will > lead out to the interstate freeway > > so help me make sure I understand these levels > interstate freeway = motorway > US highway = primary > state highway = secondary > good county highway = terterary > or > county highway = residential surface=paved smoothness=good > poor county highway = residential surface=paved smoothness=bad The exact correlation between tags and legal designation only exists in England. The rest of us have to wing it. See a full discussion here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging Use the wiki for guidance, use your judgment to adapt for local conditions. Tag more carefully when changing the work of another editor than when changing the work of a robot (or adding new material). > graveled & sand road highway= track? surface=unpaved > dirt road = highway= track? surface=dirt Sure. > if it is not passable when wet is there something else to add or will > surface=dirt be the key > then of course once in a while there are roads that have signs "minimum > maintenance" they aren't even good for bicycle travel - tractors and > 4wheel drives are all that go there. Take your best guess. Signed "minimum maintenance" sounds like it needs to get tagged. I'm not sure how. > nearing a destination you might want a gps device to use the county > highways in a route but certainly not route thru them unless you had to > use them to get to a particular stop. and the gravel or dirt roads you'd > want to not route at all unless there was no other way to get to that > stop - ie the stop was not on a paved road. Is there something that > would key that. That is up to the routing engines. Tag what you can see and others can verify. Highway= is a good start. Surface= adds some important cues. One man's "bad route for travel" may be another man's "scenic drive", so creating access=destination where no legal restriction exists seems mean. Welcome to OSM. Looks like you are already having fun. ;-) Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Additional parking types for amenity=parking
Don't all buildings store something? Homes store families. Gas stations store gas station attendants. Coffee shops store beans. ;-) building=yes amenity=self_storage This degrades nicely to just amenity=self_storage if no building outline is available. Locally these vary in size from small closet to garage-sized and are offered as indoor or outdoor storage. http://www.spacestoronto.com/sizes.php I would mark these as a single building with a single operator, not as individual buildings for each garage. As I would mark a single office tower or apartment building as a single building, even with multiple tenants. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] MonopolyCityStreets On the Wiki
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > May I suggest that we create a special landing page or highly visible link > for new users coming from MCS that briefly explains the project, that > emphasizes the data is constantly being edited, an estimation (or even exact > date) of what the basis for MCS street data is, and how they can help > contribute. Started here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Monopoly_City_Streets Please help. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] map requirement for a large pubishing/media group
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Joe Richards wrote: > I am helping a media company to add geo-location to its articles, and > thought it might help speed the process of matching the requirements to a > technology provider (or set of technologies) by presenting it to the OSM > community. I am happy to help you with your homework, Joe. ;-) Given your brief I would look first at Drupal and particularly at the openlayers module. http://drupal.org/project/openlayers That gives you a completely open stack, GNU/Linux, php, mysql of world class CMS / web platform tools. Plus the wonderful Open Geo-tools of OpenLayers. This completely addresses the vast majority of the items on your brief. Best regards, Richard. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Steve Chilton wrote: > I don't know whether I have missed something, or else am just lucky, but > mapnik is rendering the things I am editing super-fast. Two new and different > renders of an area in about 30 minutes. Now the renderer is sucking up to the cartographers? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop
Hi All, I've added proposals for five types of shops I'm finding that are not categorized. Your comments and improvements are welcome. shop=vacant; empty stores should be marked vacant, not removed from map. shop=supplements; specialty food and dietary supplements. shop=cash; non-bank cheque cashing or short term "payday" loans shop=beauty; personal beauty services, tanning, nails, spa, etc. shop=tobacco; specialty shop selling cigars, cigarettes, pipe tobacco, and accessories http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/supplements http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/vacant http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tobacco http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/beauty http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/cash ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/graveyard > > This page is old/unfinished and very ambiguous. Can somebody make > clear how to tag cemeteries, and how to name them correctly? > > If I have polygon do I add name= to polygon or do I add a point in the > middle of cemetery with amenity=cemetery and name=name ? I have been using http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dcemetery landuse=cemetery and adding name to the polygon (and or religious affiliations) where appropriate. No need for a separate point as far as I can see. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] several vandals, one strategy?: RR8, Yasuthan, liam123
Hi all, An addition to previous reports here regarding RR8 and liam123. User Yasuthan has exhibited similar behaviour: - multiple edits small and large - edits in geographically diverse areas - edits that range from plausible to unusual to odd to wrong to graffiti Yasuthan has shown interest in Toronto and Vancouver. I collected the edits of these three and found that they edit on different days. The one exception being Sep 3, when two of them edited 9 hours apart, perhaps separated by a local 'night'. Am I imagining coordination where there is none? If I were better with calc I might make a graph for this. Thoughts? Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] lists and # of subscribers
Dear All, I often find myself wondering how many are subscribed to the various osm lists. I think that it would be good to have the number of subscribers for each list published somewhere. Even cooler would be to have this graphed somewhere as well. I think this information would be helpful for small communities like the Canadian community where an increase of just a few new subscribers may be "substantial growth". I hope that exposing the number of subscribers and not the list of names is reasonable and respectful of privacy rights. Thoughts? Is this information that can be easily extracted from mailman and graphed in munin? Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: >> It'll probably fail with error 500 because there are so many elements >> and the server seems unstable, so you can split the changeset using >> http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bulkupload/split.py and upload in >> reverse order, it should still be much quicker than using the revert >> tool. split.py expected changesets of version 0.3, but the API is providing version 0.6. Split worked after I changed the version it expected. upload.py gave authentication errors. Should I have escaped the "@" in my email address? I was able to get revert.py to work on a small changeset by a scribbler. Very nice. Thank you both, Andrzej and Frederik. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yathusan vandalism
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > Found some more: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2365004 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364986 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364907 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364884 > > Not 100% sure they are vandalism since they are in B.C., but I > strongly suspect so. I've sent a second email through the web site. No response to the email I sent on Aug 22, after the previous bout of edits. Some edits look like the scribbling of an uninformed and frustrated new editor who doesn't realize that edits are live. Others look misguided at best. Thank you for keeping an eye on this one Andrew. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > It'll probably fail with error 500 because there are so many elements > and the server seems unstable, so you can split the changeset using > http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bulkupload/split.py and upload in > reverse order, it should still be much quicker than using the revert > tool. Thank you, I'll try that now. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] revert.pl
At the risk of trifling with things that I do not fully understand[1], I've been using revert.pl to revert a changeset of my own. I blew it and imported a file with "bad things"[2] and want to undo the mess. I have revert.pl fresh from svn today, and it runs, but eventually stops with "node 481692883 cannot be retrieved: 500 Internal Server Error" I've run it four times and it gets a few thousand nodes further each time. Any suggestions for successfully reverting this large changeset? Best regards, Richard [1] and Frederik warned us not to do that [2] spaces in keys. Yuck. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Peter Körner wrote: >> Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at >> least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be >> sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a newbie who gets >> on with it can be 'established' within 2 weeks. I think that was how >> long it took me to get rights to upload images to Wikipiedia. Some >> vandals will slip through, but that is fine - we can deal with them in >> the usual way. > We'll have to build a simple, calculateble and provable explanation from > that, that every newbee understands. Also we should create a error-text > that the tool displays when the conditions are not (yet) matched. This > text should not demoralize the avarage user and tell him how long it > will take until he can use this tool and why he can't use it yet. Any > copywriter out here? The revert button (or other UI decoration) should not appear for users that are not logged-in. Perhaps revert should be invisible for users that are not yet able to revert? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] revert request
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> Would somebody run two reverts for me please? >> My import failed in changesets 2311851 and 2308610 >> >> Nodes were imported for woods polygons but not the ways. fail. > > Did you get an error from the server? I also saw this happening for an > import I did a few weeks ago. > just "Error uploading changeset:404" from bulk_upload.py ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] revert request
Would somebody run two reverts for me please? My import failed in changesets 2311851 and 2308610 Nodes were imported for woods polygons but not the ways. fail. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic : >> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? > > People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers. But that is tagging for the renderer and hopefully people will change over to the proposed golf tags. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Golf_course ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging continuous flow intersections
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:06 PM, David Paleino wrote: > There's no physical barrier, and the lanes are divided by continuous lines > -- that would be a no-changing-lanes restriction, but I'd still be > uncomfortable with drawing two separate ways -- that doesn't reflect real > world. > > Satellite image: > > http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=38.12436,13.355808&spn=0.001091,0.002411&t=k&z=19 > > (the street from NW is the one from S in my drawing -- > http://imagebin.ca/view/SjGkG4.html ) > > If you zoom in, you can clearly see the horizontal signals (at least at the NW > street, there's some shadow hiding those in the SW one). > > If there are no other suggestions, I'll try to think at something :/ You also referred to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_flow_intersection I don't remember ever seeing one of these in the wild. I don't think that the intersection that you are looking at is a continuous flow intersection as described in the wikipedia article. It appears to be a simple cross junction of two one way roads. Is that correct? If so I would map it with a single node at two crossing, one-way, ways. Here, in Ontario Canada, this junction would have no special signage, other than the one-way arrows (and do not enter, for the opposite). We have Right turn allowed on red light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_turn_on_red This is abstracted locally to include left turn allowed on red when the junction is one-way to one-way. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Encourage foundation candidates to self-govern
The Foundation board should have no more than one candidate from each company in my opinion. http://weait.com/content/osmf-candidate-recall ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 17 Aug 2009 11:46:20 pm Richard Weait wrote: >> I've started a mapnik style sheet that renders golf holes with >> fairways, greens and other goodies. Have a look and help out if you >> are inclined. >> >> http://weait.com/content/golf-course-style-openstreetmap > > some of us have done considerable work in this area - it is on the wiki. You > could incorporate that instead of completely reinventing the wheel > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves Dear Kenneth, I'm sorry that you have found offense where none was intended. I am aware of the work on the wiki[1] and mentioned and linked the wiki in my article as I took much of my guidance from the wiki. Your suggestion that I've reinvented the wheel is baffling. I've used golf=fairway/green/bunker/tee as suggested on the wiki and discussion page[2]. I added golf=tee to the wiki as it was only on the discussion page. None of these are reinventing the wheel. I marked water areas as natural=water and trees as landuse=forest as seen in every country on OpenStreetMap, so surely you are not suggesting that is reinventing the wheel. I've put together an example in mapnik, the discussion page has samples in Kosmos and osmarender. No duplication there. So what has put your nose out of joint? Help me understand you. Best regards, Richard [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Golf_course [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Golf_course ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Time for me to play devils advocate here for a moment. I have on rare > occasions played golf on a par 3 course (I'm not very good...). But > one of the things I do know is that some course maintainers shift the > holes from time to time. So while say water hazards stay fairly fixed, > a hole may shift by several meters each month... Hello Barrister to the Devil. ;-) > So, how does one track hole movement from month to month? Short answer One does not. That is the responsibility of the golfer. Long answer Pin placement, that is the location of the flag and hole on the green, can move every day for tournaments and every day or two depending on how busy the golf course is. I've traced the outline of the greens as best I can. It would be out of the ordinary for a pin to be placed outside of the green, though sometimes temporary greens are created due to weather damage. I have not, yet addressed pin placement. I am unlikely to address exact, daily pin placement at all, as that would likely fail the "map it if it is nailed down" test for inclusion in OpenStreetMap. This exact daily pin placement issue is faced by the golf courses as well. They have a scorecard with the distance from each tee printed on it. When the pin moves, that distance changes, but printing these things on-demand does not seem to be the way they work. (At least not at the courses I've seen.) There are also yardage markers on or beside the fairway, usually at 150 yards, and sometimes at 100 and 200 as well. Some courses print yardage to the green on each sprinkler head as well. Each tee box will have a distance marker. The tee blocks indicate from where the golfer must hit, and those may be removed a substantial distance from the nominal marker. You may see golfers pacing in the tee box; they are counting the difference from the nominal distance. Golfers expect the printed pin distance on the scorecard, fairway marker or sprinkler head, to be to the distance to center of the green. Often the flag will give the golfer a clue if the pin is at the front, middle or back of the green by the colour of the flag, or by the height of a smaller flag below the main flag. Other courses have pin zones on the score cards that tell the golfer where on the green the pin will be. Armed with the knowledge of the distance to the center of the green, and the relative position of the pin on the green, the golfer can consider wind, temperature, elevation above sea level, depth of rough, ball lie, and then select the right club. Then I shank it into the woods. Some courses go further than maps and scorecards and supply a guide book. These include for each hole, an idealized shot plan, that shows where a good golfer would land each shot. Even then, given the expense of compiling and printing such a guide, the pins and tees are put in the center of the tee box and green. The golfer calculates the difference. There is a proposal for these ideal shot planners on the wiki but I have not included those yet. I would want to do a site survey to include shot planning for this course. I've also omitted hole number, distance, par and rating as they are not apparent from the aerial imagery. Well we could make safe guesses for par if pressed. Best regards, Richard. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
Dear all, I've started a mapnik style sheet that renders golf holes with fairways, greens and other goodies. Have a look and help out if you are inclined. http://weait.com/content/golf-course-style-openstreetmap Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag this barrier?
2009/8/17 Iván Sánchez Ortega : > Hi, > > In this chapter of "How the f*** do I tag this piece of s***?", I ask everyone > to have a look at these images: > > http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/30072009_006.jpg > http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/30072009_007.jpg > > At the right of the image, you'll see some retractable bollards. You know, a > bollard that mechanically dissapears into the ground with a remote control or > something. A standard bollard is barrier=bollard, but how to tag a > retractable one? > So, how to tag the barrier=retractable_bollard and the > barrier=foldable_thingamajig? Functionally aren't these gates that allow bikes and pedestrians even while "closed"? barrier=gate; bicycle=yes pedestrian=yes access=keymaster ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OpenStreetView: Digital Photos: Getting the field of view angle
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Vincent MEURISSE wrote: > In fact you don't really need the size of film (captor size). Most of the > camera store the focal in both real and equivalent distance. > If I take a random picture from a nikon D300 the exif information contain > this: > Focal Length: 70mm > Focal Length In 35mm Film: 105mm > Digital zoom ratio: 1.0 > > So with the equivalent focal and the digital zoom, you can get your angle. Vincent is correct. Those calculations will help as a rule of thumb. Back before I had to tell you kids to get off my lawn, everybody used 35mm film and dimensions were set in stone. 43.3, 36, 24. We had it all memorized, then those wacky CCDs came along with their 2/3"-format and 1/2"-format in which none of the dimensions are actually the dimension for which the format is named. Oh, those were heady days. Slide rules and drafting tables for everyone! But you kids these days, you know better, with your CCDs and your CMOS sensors and your varying aspect ratios. The old rules of thumb are likely to break your brain. So go to first principles and get off my lawn. Ideally, you'll find the actual dimensions of the camera sensor in your device. This can be hard to find. "N95", you say? I see links that suggest a CMOS sensor of 2582x1944 pixels[1]. Kodak has a similar 5MP CMOS device with 2592x1944 and 2.2 micron (square) pixels. Other manufacturers may vary in ways that matter to you on the details. Find the real sensor data sheet if you can. http://www.kodak.com/global/en/business/ISS/Products/DiscontinuedProducts/index.jhtml Sensor width: 2592 x 2.2 microns = 5.7024mm Sensor height: 1944 x 2.2 microns = 4.2768mm Focal length: 5.6 mm[1] Tan(angle/2)=size of film/(2*focal) aFOV(h)= 14.28 degrees, thank you Wolfram Alpha aFOV(v)= 10.81 degrees But this is still an approximation, and based on an ideal lens with no aberrations. It should get you started. ;-) Best regards, Richard [1] http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Nokia_N95-part_3_the_Camera.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] OPENSTREETMAP FOUNDATION - NOTICE OF ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 6:24 AM, James Brown wrote: > I agree. I think that the best course is to let the electorate decide in > each election. > > I'd add that I do not see any real alternative. Sure you see an alternative. You go on to describe it below. ;-) > If we set a limit on the > number of board seats that people who work for the same company can hold, do > we either: > a. Prevent more than one person from any company from standing together (or > standing if there is a current board member not up for reelection) > b. Wait till the votes are in and then, if we have more than one elected > person from the same company force one to stand down? > > And, as just occured to me... What if a board member goes to work, after > they are elected, for the same company as another board member? Do they > stand down? Jim I think that you have pointed out exactly the three guidelines for Foundation nominees and board members. > This really feels to me like something that should just be left to the > desires of the community as expressed in the elections. Some things are dealt with more effectively from the foundation point of view, then presented to the membership and community at large. All starting with perhaps a single comment by a single community member. I think the ODbL discussions followed that form. Some have suggested that it is too difficult to put such protections in place. But we are mapping the world, one post box at a time. We are really good at "difficult". >From the Foundation side, the benefit of diverse board members is obvious: Breadth of experience, knowledge, contacts and industries make for a very well informed board. Any board will find solutions that benefit the Foundation and community. Those solutions will also be beneficial to the outside interests of the board members involved (otherwise they would excuse themselves as conflicted). I maintain that any given solution or initiative recommended by the board that considers a great number of diverse interests is better that one that considers fewer interests. Having different companies on the board is better. I have to imagine that the benefits of one-person-per-company are worthwhile from the company perspective as well: The time committed to the Board is time taken away from the board member's job at the company. And the time commitment can be substantial. The board minutes[1] record several cases where board members had to leave meetings early or show up late due to other business obligations. Why would a single business require more than one member, and commit double, treble or more resources to the board? Surely a single board member is capable of representing the company concerns, interests and opportunities for collaboration. What is it from the company point of view that appeals about having more than one member on a board and that is worth the additional committed resources? > Jim Brown -CTO CloudMade Best regards, Richard [1] http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/officers-board/board-meeting-minutes/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] OPENSTREETMAP FOUNDATION - NOTICE OF ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Nick, > > Nick Black wrote: >> I'm going to be standing for election to the OSM Foundation Board again >> this year. > > Do you and Steve have any comment on Richard Weait's suggestion that > from every commercial organisation, at most one person should be a > member of the OSMF board (http://weait.com/cloudmade-layoffs)? I'm very > supportive of that, although not exactly out of fear that you might both > be looking for a new job at the same time, but more along the lines of > what RichardF said in the comments section on that page. > This would mean that *either* your *or* SteveC should be on the board > but not both of you. It is of course everyone's right to stand for > election and let the voters decide if they support Richard's suggestion > or not - but I would be interested in hearing your opinion. Nick followed up several times, but I can't see any answer to Frederik's direct question. I'd like to hear replies from each of the candidates on this. Should any single company be able to hold an unlimited number of seats on the Foundation board? A majority? All? How does this benefit the Foundation and the community? If you believe that there should be some limit; legal, moral or otherwise, where do you think it should be? There are eleven excellent candidates on the wiki, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM09/Election_to_Board each qualified and suitable to hold a seat on the board. Each worthy of my vote. How does more than a single candidate from any company benefit the Foundation and the project? Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to "not connected" people
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:04 PM, PB wrote: > Hi, > I'm PB from Cuba, and I would like to share an idea to extend the use > of Walking-Papers. The intention is to reach all those people whom do > not have an e-mail or Internet access, and in many cases not even a > computer. > We are proposing use the postal mail to send printed maps > (Walking-Papers or printed screen captures from OSM) and gather them > (marked) using the same way. The Walking Papers people have already offered to send and accept maps by postal mail. See Mike Migurski's blog here: http://mike.teczno.com/notes/2009/ [quoting in part] Each print and scan action is also backed by a (possibly optimistic) promise to snail-mail printed maps to users, and to accept snail-mailed annotated maps in return. If you want to play neogeography pen-pal or simply don't have a scanner at your disposal, Walking Papers can help. [ end quote from Mike's blog ] If I remember correctly, at SotM2009 Mike said that so far nobody has asked for the postal mail service. Now, a political question. Is there postal service between USA and Cuba? Perhaps an off-shore version of Walking Papers is required? Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] radioactivity
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Liz wrote: > anyone got any ideas on tagging potential radioactive sites? > a search of the wiki produced nothing so far How would we confirm "potential" radioactive sites? Is a decommissioned power plant or quarry potentially more radioactive than background? I'm inclined to think that _actual_ _radiation_ _measurements_ are interesting for the database. Guesses and suppositions; much less interesting. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Foundation trademark
I am pleased to note that the assignment of the OSM logo to the Foundation is published as of 31 July 2009 on the IPO/UK site. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2500155 Congratulations! I see that the European trademark # 7366859, "OpenStreetMap" is not owned by the Foundation. This surprises me. The word mark was refused in UK as too generic. Did the EU overrule that judgment and and de-jure grant the UK trademark by granting it in EU? What happened to all of that European Harmonization we heard about? ;-) Or is this just a matter of a slipped bit at OHIM and the mark is not granted? If it did slip through for some reason and is a valid mark, will the Foundation get ownership of the "OpenStreetMap" word mark? Is this paperwork already in process and the IPO/UK got the update to their site faster than OHIM? Best regards, Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] OSM Foundation and CloudMade layoffs
Hi all, I've been thinking about the CloudMade layoffs and the Foundation articles of association. Have a look and let me know what you think. http://weait.com/cloudmade-layoffs Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] canhaz OpenAerialMap restart
Hi All, You should know that my .bashrc includes alias canhaz='sudo /etc/init.d/' A group met at State of the Map, the OpenStreetMap annual conference on Sunday 12 July 2009 to discuss the history, status and future of OpenAerialMap.org. Cristiano G. led the discussion and provided some history. The audience was enthusiastic and vocal in supporting the idea that OpenAerialMap is an interesting and important project. They wish to see OpenAerialMap restart serving aerial images and accept more contributed data. >From the OAM wiki: Open Aerial Map is a non-profit, open access, meeting place for the aerial imaging community. It exists to provide a freely available image map of the world created solely by community contribution, and to facilitate the free exchange of imagery, technology, and ideas. In order to provide an unrestricted, free, an unbiased view of the world, OpenAerialMap encourages the free exchange of imagery, without restriction on its use. If you are interested in seeing OAM restart, grow and flourish, you can help. Join or rejoin the OAM-talk mailing list[1] and wiki[2]. Join in the discussion. Make requests and suggestions. Offer to help out on the task list. We need to hear from you[3]. Best regards, Richard [1] http://wiki.openaerialmap.org/mailman/listinfo/talk_openaerialmap.org [2] http://wiki.openaerialmap.org/Main_Page [3] http://wiki.openaerialmap.org/OAM_2009#Rebooting_OpenAerialMap ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
