Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[James Nyirenda]

Greetings. I am one of the coordinators for the mSpray organized mapping.
We are aware of the issues that have been raised and we are working on them.

James
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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

 

The source is pretty obvious from the Task Manager projects

 

https://tasks.hotosm.org/teams/14/membership/

 

https://akros.com/

 

and this is the Project manager for the tasks

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/J@mesN

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: James  
Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2020 8:57 AM
To: Andy Townsend 
Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

 

>If the person doing the editing is just a geography student going through the 
>motions for a course credit it's less likely to, I agree.

 

Or a Comms class at a certain university 臘‍♂️ We are still trying to clean that 
mess up in Ottawa

 

On Fri., May 22, 2020, 6:52 p.m. Andy Townsend, mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

On 22/05/2020 23:37, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:

 

 

 

May 22, 2020, 16:58 by ajt1...@gmail.com <mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com> :

No-one has left any changeset discussion comments:

In part because bothering someone who is victim of poorly organized

group editing is unlikely to work well.

 

It depends on how engaged they are, I guess.  I have had occasional successes 
with a "take me to your leader" approach on occasions in the past.  If the 
person doing the editing is just a geography student going through the motions 
for a course credit it's less likely to, I agree.

Best Regards,

Andy

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[James]

>If the person doing the editing is just a geography student going through
the motions for a course credit it's less likely to, I agree.

Or a Comms class at a certain university 臘‍♂️ We are still trying to clean
that mess up in Ottawa

On Fri., May 22, 2020, 6:52 p.m. Andy Townsend,  wrote:

> On 22/05/2020 23:37, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:
>
>
>
>
> May 22, 2020, 16:58 by ajt1...@gmail.com:
>
> No-one has left any changeset discussion comments:
>
> In part because bothering someone who is victim of poorly organized
> group editing is unlikely to work well.
>
> It depends on how engaged they are, I guess.  I have had occasional
> successes with a "take me to your leader" approach on occasions in the
> past.  If the person doing the editing is just a geography student going
> through the motions for a course credit it's less likely to, I agree.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Andy Townsend]

On 22/05/2020 23:37, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:




May 22, 2020, 16:58 by ajt1...@gmail.com:

No-one has left any changeset discussion comments:

In part because bothering someone who is victim of poorly organized
group editing is unlikely to work well.

It depends on how engaged they are, I guess.  I have had occasional 
successes with a "take me to your leader" approach on occasions in the 
past.  If the person doing the editing is just a geography student going 
through the motions for a course credit it's less likely to, I agree.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

May 22, 2020, 21:49 by j...@liotier.org:

> On 5/22/20 10:52 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier  wrote:
>
>>
>> I just noticed a serie of mspray[numerical suffix] (>> mspray16 
>> >> , >> mspray15 
>> >> , >> mspray13 
>> >>  and >> mspray4 
>> >>  for example) are are 
>>  mapping many buildings in Senegal, some of which of dubious  
>> quality. This looks like organized mapping but I do not see  any 
>> description of it in >> 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities
>>
>>
>> I attempted contact today, I am awaiting an answer - I'll  keep this 
>> list informed.
>>
>>
>> I suspect if may be part of the mSpray malaria spraying  project.
>>
>>
>
> I just received this answer:
>
>
Thanks! There are some problems not mentioned in their reply but I hope that
they will monitor their wiki page or at least their provided contact.
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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

May 22, 2020, 16:58 by ajt1...@gmail.com:

> No-one has left any changeset discussion comments:
>
In part because bothering someone who is victim of poorly organized
group editing is unlikely to work well.

Targeting source of this large-scale confusion is necessary.
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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

May 22, 2020, 17:29 by pierz...@yahoo.fr:

> Le vendredi 22 mai 2020 10 h 40 min 51 s UTC−4, Mateusz Konieczny via talk 
>  a écrit :
>
>
> > > Are you sure that in > 72427535 
> > > >  buildings were 
> > > just moved?
>
> If I place the mouse over a red oultine (old building), Achavi reports 
> «Modify geometry»
> Loading the changeset in an editor for validation, I confirm that I only see 
> create and modify actions.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/85329885/download
>

I mentioned changeset 72427535
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/72427535 done from mspray6 
 account
that damaged existing data

https://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/72427535/download
clearly has multiple delete actions.

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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

May 22, 2020, 17:33 by ajt1...@gmail.com:

> But still, I suspect, a human being, and one that has no idea  that what 
> they're doing is causing a problem.
>
Yes, and I am irritated at organizers who failed to do what they should do 
(even after getting blocked).

Mapper is innocent, but instructions they got are clearly bad.

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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

(answer cc: to talk...@openstreetmap.org and talk@openstreetmap.org)

Thanks for taking care of our feedback. In Senegal and Mali, 
Openstreetmap has a long history of low quality buildings produced in 
massive quantities by humanitarian actors. Cleaning up after them is 
considerable work, which is never handled by the responsible parties.


Please ensure that your project is registered at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities and has 
its own page, as mandated bu the Organised Editing Guidelines.


You may also want to reconsider the workflow: the existence of 
superposed almost-duplicate buildings shows that the existing data may 
not be correctly taken into account or even downloaded beforehand.


Also, you mention "We will work on the wrongfully mapped/tagged 
buildings when we start validating what has been mapped so far" and that 
is part of the problem: do not let contributors upload a changeset if 
the JOSM validator shows errors or warnings - especially about obvious 
errors such as superposition. Separating production from quality 
assurance is certain to produce low quality: quality as an afterthought 
is ineffectual - quality must be integral to the process.


To drive that point home, I recommend letting your mappers spend a few 
hours fixing errors on Osmose (osmose.openstreetmap.fr). Osmose patrols 
will let them understand the sort of problems we face after them and 
maybe the quality of their work will increase, if they are not driven by 
quantitative metrics...



On 5/22/20 7:55 PM, J@mesN wrote:

>
> @mesN has sent you a message through OpenStreetMap with the subject 
Re: mspray stealth organized mapping:

> J@mesN
>
> Hi Jean_Marc,
>
> Thanks for reaching out. Yes, these users are part of one of our 
malaria mapping teams who started enumerating in Senegal this week. 
There are 6 mSpray enumerators (4,8,13,15,16,17). We are only mapping 
what we perceive to be residential structures after getting local 
context from our in-country partners to inform this. Sincere apologies 
if this has caused a problem. We will work on the wrongfully 
mapped/tagged buildings when we start validating what has been mapped so 
far.

>
> Our lead GIS officer is currently on leave so he will post the 
activity on the wiki page when he returns on Tuesday next week (26th May).


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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 5/22/20 10:52 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:


I just noticed a serie of mspray[numerical suffix] (mspray16 
, mspray15 
, mspray13 
 and mspray4 
 for example) are are 
mapping many buildings in Senegal, some of which of dubious quality. 
This looks like organized mapping but I do not see any description of 
it in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities


I attempted contact today, I am awaiting an answer - I'll keep this 
list informed.


I suspect if may be part of the mSpray malaria spraying project.


I just received this answer:

On 5/22/20 7:55 PM, J@mesN wrote:
>
> Hi Jean_Marc,
>
> Thanks for reaching out. Yes, these users are part of one of our 
malaria mapping teams who started enumerating in Senegal this week. 
There are 6 mSpray enumerators (4,8,13,15,16,17). We are only mapping 
what we perceive to be residential structures after getting local 
context from our in-country partners to inform this. Sincere apologies 
if this has caused a problem. We will work on the wrongfully 
mapped/tagged buildings when we start validating what has been mapped so 
far.

>
> Our lead GIS officer is currently on leave so he will post the 
activity on the wiki page when he returns on Tuesday next week (26th May).


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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Andy Townsend]

On 22/05/2020 16:10, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

On 5/22/20 4:58 PM, Andy Townsend wrote:

On 22/05/2020 14:45, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

On 5/22/20 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits
and failing to document properly


The "problematic edits" part is still current - this changeset of 
mine for example is mostly about deleting buildings from mspray16: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85452208



This is a new mapper as of just over a week ago:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mspray16


"New" - like all those other users who just happen to be named 
msprayXX and produce the same 
slop:https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/mapper 



But still, I suspect, a human being, and one that has no idea that what 
they're doing is causing a problem.



No-one has left any changeset discussion comments


The spaghetti factories rarely answer any - better aim for the head.

In the case of spammers and vandals you're broadly correct - someone who 
draws genitalia on the White House lawn is unlikely to think that 
they're making a valid contribution to OSM.  These mappers surely do - 
no matter how bad the instructions they were given or the work they 
carried out.


Best Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Pierre Béland via talk]

 Le vendredi 22 mai 2020 10 h 40 min 51 s UTC−4, Mateusz Konieczny via talk 
 a écrit :  
 
> Are you sure that in 72427535 buildings were just moved?
If I place the mouse over a red oultine (old building), Achavi reports «Modify 
geometry»
Loading the changeset in an editor for validation, I confirm that I only see 
create and modify actions.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/85329885/download
 > buildings and college that used to be mapped at
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-12.94547/28.64318
> It is gone thanks to https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
Achavi reports for old building «delete way» and «delete node»
Pierre 

 

Le vendredi 22 mai 2020 10 h 40 min 51 s UTC−4, Mateusz Konieczny via talk 
 a écrit :  
 
 Are you sure that in 72427535 buildings were just moved?
buildings and college that used to be mapped at
OpenStreetMap


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It is gone thanks to https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535

BTW how one may undelete delete buildings? Straight revert will delete new ones,
what may be not needed.

Use reverter plugin in JOSM, copy buildings to a new layer, delete reverter 
layer, save?

Is there some script that I can run with "revert deletions only in changeset 
XYZ"?

May 22, 2020, 15:47 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

Le vendredi 22 mai 2020 07 h 29 min 19 s UTC−4, Frederik Ramm 
 a écrit :
> Sometimes users deleted a large number of
> buildings e.g. here https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
> without giving a clear reason

Looking at Achavi, red outlines make us think objects were deleted. But in 
fact, the buildings were simply slightly moved to realign to DigitalGlobe 
imagery (not Bing).  And no correction of geometry was made, even where too 
many and unsquared angles to represent a rectangular building. Also Tags are 
systematically added:  
    "mapper"="mspray4"
    "source"="Akros"
 



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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 5/22/20 4:58 PM, Andy Townsend wrote:

On 22/05/2020 14:45, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

On 5/22/20 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits
and failing to document properly


The "problematic edits" part is still current - this changeset of 
mine for example is mostly about deleting buildings from mspray16: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85452208



This is a new mapper as of just over a week ago:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mspray16


"New" - like all those other users who just happen to be named msprayXX 
and produce the same slop:https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/mapper 




No-one has left any changeset discussion comments


The spaghetti factories rarely answer any - better aim for the head.


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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 5/22/20 12:48 PM, Mikel Maron wrote:
Does possibly look like organized editing. No need to invoke intention 
— if this was “stealth” that means they are intentionally trying to 
hide. More likely case is they simply aren’t aware of the guidelines.
In the case of individual errant mappers, I give benefit of doubt 
aplenty and don't take ignorance as misconduct - negligence is entirely 
forgivable. In the case of a corporation capable of harnessing many 
employees to an Openstreetmap tasks and thus proving that it is well 
aware of Openstreetmap, foregoing the Organized editing Guidelines that 
have been in place since 2018 is negligent to the point of gross misconduct.


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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Andy Townsend]

On 22/05/2020 14:45, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

On 5/22/20 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits
and failing to document properly


The "problematic edits" part is still current - this changeset of mine 
for example is mostly about deleting buildings from mspray16: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85452208



This is a new mapper as of just over a week ago:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mspray16

No-one has left any changeset discussion comments:

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=11178782

Clearly further communication with the person running the project is 
needed, but I wouldn't be too hard on this particular mapper. We can't 
assume that they've had any of the communication that they should have 
from the project leader; so I'd suggest that if anyone spots 
well-meaning problems with problems that they explain the situation via 
changeset discussions in addition to any revert.  An offer to assist 
with any problems they're encountering there would be great too!


Best Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mikel Maron]

Before everyone jumps to revert undelete block etc I’ve gotten in touch with 
the teams at Akros and am helping to work out what’s happening here and 
resolve. More soon.

Mikel

On Friday, May 22, 2020, 10:33 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via talk 
 wrote:

Are you sure that in 72427535 buildings were just moved?
buildings and college that used to be mapped at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-12.94547/28.64318

It is gone thanks to https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535

BTW how one may undelete delete buildings? Straight revert will delete new ones,
what may be not needed.

Use reverter plugin in JOSM, copy buildings to a new layer, delete reverter 
layer, save?

Is there some script that I can run with "revert deletions only in changeset 
XYZ"?

May 22, 2020, 15:47 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

Le vendredi 22 mai 2020 07 h 29 min 19 s UTC−4, Frederik Ramm 
 a écrit :
> Sometimes users deleted a large number of
> buildings e.g. here https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
> without giving a clear reason

Looking at Achavi, red outlines make us think objects were deleted. But in 
fact, the buildings were simply slightly moved to realign to DigitalGlobe 
imagery (not Bing).  And no correction of geometry was made, even where too 
many and unsquared angles to represent a rectangular building. Also Tags are 
systematically added:  
    "mapper"="mspray4"
    "source"="Akros"
 



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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Are you sure that in 72427535 
 buildings were just moved?
buildings and college that used to be mapped at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-12.94547/28.64318

It is gone thanks to https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535

BTW how one may undelete delete buildings? Straight revert will delete new ones,
what may be not needed.

Use reverter plugin in JOSM, copy buildings to a new layer, delete reverter 
layer, save?

Is there some script that I can run with "revert deletions only in changeset 
XYZ"?

May 22, 2020, 15:47 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

> Le vendredi 22 mai 2020 07 h 29 min 19 s UTC−4, Frederik Ramm 
>  a écrit :
> > Sometimes users deleted a large number of
> > buildings e.g. here > https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
> > without giving a clear reason
>
> Looking at Achavi, red outlines make us think objects were deleted. But in 
> fact, the buildings were simply slightly moved to realign to DigitalGlobe 
> imagery (not Bing).  And no correction of geometry was made, even where too 
> many and unsquared angles to represent a rectangular building. Also Tags are 
> systematically added:  
>     "mapper"="mspray4"
>     "source"="Akros"
>  
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Nice busy beaver.

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/mapper

Graffiti put on over 800 000 objects, cleanup will take some time.

For blocking given that they got warning already that was completely ignored.

May 22, 2020, 15:47 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

> Le vendredi 22 mai 2020 07 h 29 min 19 s UTC−4, Frederik Ramm 
>  a écrit :
> > Sometimes users deleted a large number of
> > buildings e.g. here > https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
> > without giving a clear reason
>
> Looking at Achavi, red outlines make us think objects were deleted. But in 
> fact, the buildings were simply slightly moved to realign to DigitalGlobe 
> imagery (not Bing).  And no correction of geometry was made, even where too 
> many and unsquared angles to represent a rectangular building. Also Tags are 
> systematically added:  
>     "mapper"="mspray4"
>     "source"="Akros"
>  
>
> Pierre 
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits
> and failing to document properly. The project leader has contacted DWG
> on 15 May 2020 asking what needs to be done to unblock the accounts, and
> was informed by us that:
>
> > the "mspray" users have only been blocked until they read the block
> > message; the accounts can be used again now. But they will be blocked
> > again, and their edits potentially reverted, if they continue to
> > disregard OSM rules.
> > 
> > To re-iterate, the issues were:
> > 
> > * accidentally "squaring" water areas
> > * no proper changeset comments
> > * no documentation of the project
> > 
> > As a general rule, someone encountering an edit by an "mspray" user
> > should be able to see (through a link from the user profile for example)
> > what kind of project this is, who is running it, and what the goals of
> > the project are. Ideally, such project should be discussed with the
> > community before they commence. And changeset comments should explain
> > the concrete action, for example "tracing buildings in XY region". Also
> > the frequent mention of "evwhsdigitalglobe" is puzzling; this is not a
> > well-known source in OSM. Sometimes users deleted a large number of
> > buildings e.g. here > https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
> > without giving a clear reason (the changeset comment "reveal enumeration
> > # malaria elimination" is not enough to explain why you deleted dozens
> > of buildings).
>
> If you feel they are disregarding that message, we are happy to block
> them again.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
>
> -- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

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 Le vendredi 22 mai 2020 07 h 29 min 19 s UTC−4, Frederik Ramm 
 a écrit :  > Sometimes users deleted a large number of
> buildings e.g. here https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
> without giving a clear reason
Looking at Achavi, red outlines make us think objects were deleted. But in 
fact, the buildings were simply slightly moved to realign to DigitalGlobe 
imagery (not Bing).  And no correction of geometry was made, even where too 
many and unsquared angles to represent a rectangular building. Also Tags are 
systematically added:  
    "mapper"="mspray4"
    "source"="Akros"

 
Pierre 
 

  

 Hi,

the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits
and failing to document properly. The project leader has contacted DWG
on 15 May 2020 asking what needs to be done to unblock the accounts, and
was informed by us that:

> the "mspray" users have only been blocked until they read the block
> message; the accounts can be used again now. But they will be blocked
> again, and their edits potentially reverted, if they continue to
> disregard OSM rules.
> 
> To re-iterate, the issues were:
> 
> * accidentally "squaring" water areas
> * no proper changeset comments
> * no documentation of the project
> 
> As a general rule, someone encountering an edit by an "mspray" user
> should be able to see (through a link from the user profile for example)
> what kind of project this is, who is running it, and what the goals of
> the project are. Ideally, such project should be discussed with the
> community before they commence. And changeset comments should explain
> the concrete action, for example "tracing buildings in XY region". Also
> the frequent mention of "evwhsdigitalglobe" is puzzling; this is not a
> well-known source in OSM. Sometimes users deleted a large number of
> buildings e.g. here https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
> without giving a clear reason (the changeset comment "reveal enumeration
> # malaria elimination" is not enough to explain why you deleted dozens
> of buildings).

If you feel they are disregarding that message, we are happy to block
them again.

Bye
Frederik


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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 5/22/20 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits
and failing to document properly


The "problematic edits" part is still current - this changeset of mine 
for example is mostly about deleting buildings from mspray16: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85452208




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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

May 22, 2020, 13:23 by frede...@remote.org:

> no documentation of the project
> (...)
> If you feel they are disregarding that message, we are happy to block
> them again.
>
Neither
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities
nor 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mspray16
has a required documentation.

I searched https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities for
"mspray" and "project8631".

So they are clearly disregarding that message.
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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits
and failing to document properly. The project leader has contacted DWG
on 15 May 2020 asking what needs to be done to unblock the accounts, and
was informed by us that:

> the "mspray" users have only been blocked until they read the block
> message; the accounts can be used again now. But they will be blocked
> again, and their edits potentially reverted, if they continue to
> disregard OSM rules.
> 
> To re-iterate, the issues were:
> 
> * accidentally "squaring" water areas
> * no proper changeset comments
> * no documentation of the project
> 
> As a general rule, someone encountering an edit by an "mspray" user
> should be able to see (through a link from the user profile for example)
> what kind of project this is, who is running it, and what the goals of
> the project are. Ideally, such project should be discussed with the
> community before they commence. And changeset comments should explain
> the concrete action, for example "tracing buildings in XY region". Also
> the frequent mention of "evwhsdigitalglobe" is puzzling; this is not a
> well-known source in OSM. Sometimes users deleted a large number of
> buildings e.g. here https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72427535
> without giving a clear reason (the changeset comment "reveal enumeration
> # malaria elimination" is not enough to explain why you deleted dozens
> of buildings).

If you feel they are disregarding that message, we are happy to block
them again.

Bye
Frederik


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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Mikel Maron]

Does possibly look like organized editing. No need to invoke intention — if 
this was “stealth” that means they are intentionally trying to hide. More 
likely case is they simply aren’t aware of the guidelines.

Mikel

On Friday, May 22, 2020, 4:52 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier  wrote:

   
I just noticed a serie of mspray[numerical suffix] (mspray16, mspray15, 
mspray13 and mspray4 for example) are are mapping many buildings in Senegal, 
some of which of dubious quality. This looks like organized mapping but I do 
not see any description of it in 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities
 
I attempted contact today, I am awaiting an answer - I'll keep this list 
informed.
 
 
I suspect if may be part of the mSpray malaria spraying project.
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Phil Wyatt]

You might also check here and get in touch with the project manager

https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/8631


Cheers - Phil, 
On the road with his iPad 

> On 22 May 2020, at 6:55 pm, Jean-Marc Liotier  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just noticed a serie of mspray[numerical suffix] (mspray16, mspray15, 
> mspray13 and mspray4 for example) are are mapping many buildings in Senegal, 
> some of which of dubious quality. This looks like organized mapping but I do 
> not see any description of it in 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities
> 
> I attempted contact today, I am awaiting an answer - I'll keep this list 
> informed.
> 
> I suspect if may be part of the mSpray malaria spraying project.
> 
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[OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

I just noticed a serie of mspray[numerical suffix] (mspray16 
, mspray15 
, mspray13 
 and mspray4 
 for example) are are 
mapping many buildings in Senegal, some of which of dubious quality. 
This looks like organized mapping but I do not see any description of it 
in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities


I attempted contact today, I am awaiting an answer - I'll keep this list 
informed.


I suspect if may be part of the mSpray malaria spraying project.

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