Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[john whelan]

I've collected these ideas and put them together in the wiki.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020/municipalities

I may have left one or two out but I think practically everything is
covered in the links.

Thanks all for the input.

Cheerio John

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 05:29, François Lacombe 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Big use cases for utilities, network operators and urban planning
>
> English: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/InfosReseaux/diary/47030
> French:
> https://www.openstreetmap.fr/cartographier-mondialement-linfrastructure-avec-openstreetmap/
>
> Furthermore, OSM is the only one to build and share a worldwide tagging
> model. Users can take the data but they can take the tagging model also and
> use it to refine third party data.
>
> All the best
>
> François
>
> Le ven. 4 janv. 2019 à 08:40, Oleksiy Muzalyev <
> oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> a écrit :
>
>> A detailed map is an essential tool for firefighters, ambulance, and
>> police. And not only of the town itself but also of the countryside
>> especially along railways and automobile roads.
>>
>> The city of Stockholm built an interactive public transportation map on
>> the basis of OSM: https://sl.se/en/ . People can see still at home when
>> their bus is arriving at the stop.
>>
>> The city of Odessa created the similar public transportation map but on
>> the basis of a commercial map: http://transport.odessa.ua/ . It was
>> extremely useful web-application, one could see how the trams' geo-markers
>> were moving on the map. The web-application became very popular, and the
>> commercial map underneath stopped working normally for some, probably also
>> commercial, reason.
>>
>> I mean a  municipal project which is based on an open data map running on
>> the municipal server could be more resilient and affordable, especially if
>> it becomes popular.
>>
>> A big separate topic is e-commerce delivery services. A rookie delivery
>> driver may search for an address in a city in some cases for hours. This
>> excessive driving could be reduced significantly if a driver could see a
>> delivery address on the map. It would mean less pollution, accidents,
>> pavement wear.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Oleksiy
>>
>> On 03.01.19 22:07, John Whelan wrote:
>>
>> I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was
>> passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point
>> of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having their
>> municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are
>> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
>>
>> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>>
>> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some
>> expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[François Lacombe]

Hi

Big use cases for utilities, network operators and urban planning

English: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/InfosReseaux/diary/47030
French:
https://www.openstreetmap.fr/cartographier-mondialement-linfrastructure-avec-openstreetmap/

Furthermore, OSM is the only one to build and share a worldwide tagging
model. Users can take the data but they can take the tagging model also and
use it to refine third party data.

All the best

François

Le ven. 4 janv. 2019 à 08:40, Oleksiy Muzalyev 
a écrit :

> A detailed map is an essential tool for firefighters, ambulance, and
> police. And not only of the town itself but also of the countryside
> especially along railways and automobile roads.
>
> The city of Stockholm built an interactive public transportation map on
> the basis of OSM: https://sl.se/en/ . People can see still at home when
> their bus is arriving at the stop.
>
> The city of Odessa created the similar public transportation map but on
> the basis of a commercial map: http://transport.odessa.ua/ . It was
> extremely useful web-application, one could see how the trams' geo-markers
> were moving on the map. The web-application became very popular, and the
> commercial map underneath stopped working normally for some, probably also
> commercial, reason.
>
> I mean a  municipal project which is based on an open data map running on
> the municipal server could be more resilient and affordable, especially if
> it becomes popular.
>
> A big separate topic is e-commerce delivery services. A rookie delivery
> driver may search for an address in a city in some cases for hours. This
> excessive driving could be reduced significantly if a driver could see a
> delivery address on the map. It would mean less pollution, accidents,
> pavement wear.
>
> Best regards,
> Oleksiy
>
> On 03.01.19 22:07, John Whelan wrote:
>
> I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was
> passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point
> of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having their
> municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap.
>
> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are
> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
>
> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>
> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some
> expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>
> Thanks John
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

A detailed map is an essential tool for firefighters, ambulance, and 
police. And not only of the town itself but also of the countryside 
especially along railways and automobile roads.


The city of Stockholm built an interactive public transportation map on 
the basis of OSM: https://sl.se/en/ . People can see still at home when 
their bus is arriving at the stop.


The city of Odessa created the similar public transportation map but on 
the basis of a commercial map: http://transport.odessa.ua/ . It was 
extremely useful web-application, one could see how the trams' 
geo-markers were moving on the map. The web-application became very 
popular, and the commercial map underneath stopped working normally for 
some, probably also commercial, reason.


I mean a  municipal project which is based on an open data map running 
on the municipal server could be more resilient and affordable, 
especially if it becomes popular.


A big separate topic is e-commerce delivery services. A rookie delivery 
driver may search for an address in a city in some cases for hours. This 
excessive driving could be reduced significantly if a driver could see a 
delivery address on the map. It would mean less pollution, accidents, 
pavement wear.


Best regards,
Oleksiy

On 03.01.19 22:07, John Whelan wrote:
I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was 
passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government 
point of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having 
their municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap.


Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they 
are located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers 
etc.


Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?

It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify 
some expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.


Thanks John


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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Yosem, 

OSM is data, ArcGIS is software, so there is no straightforward answer to your 
question. You can load (and even edit[1], though I do not generally recommend 
that) OSM data into ArcGIS, and you can use OSM as a base map layer. They even 
provide a pretty nifty vector tile OSM map that mimics the native OSM 
rendering[2]. So your client can ‘use’ OpenStreetMap data in any software 
environment they like, including ArcGIS, as long as that usage does not violate 
the data license or relevant usage policies. If they want to ‘crowdsource’ data 
in the sense that they want to add data to OSM, they will need to consult with 
the community and have a very close look at import guidelines[3] (if they want 
to do a bulk import) and/or the organized editing policy[4].

[1] https://www.esri.com/en-us/arcgis/products/arcgis-editor-for-openstreetmap 
 
[2] 
http://esri.maps.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=d6b18a2e774c4959ba855f6ac90952a2
 

 
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines 
 
[4] I don’t think the OSMF ratified version is published yet

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Yosem Companys  wrote:
> 
> How well do ArcGIS and OSM talk to each other? I have a client who has opted 
> for ArcGIS because his institution provides it for free. But I've always 
> thought of OSM as the better option. Should my client use OSM instead, 
> especially given that he wants to crowdsource data?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 1:35 PM Martijn van Exel  > wrote:
> John — a fairly new resource is the Welcome site, 
> https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/why-openstreetmap/ 
>  specifically may be 
> interesting to point them to. It’s fairly high level and brief in its 
> explanations, but if gives organizations a place to start when they’re not 
> familiar with OSM and consider using it or contributing to it.
> 
> A common issue I have seen with governments wanting to use OSM data is the 
> license, so they should look into that if they intend to use OSM data as a 
> replacement / back-fill for any data they may now maintain themselves. Often 
> it’s a one-way street: Governments can contribute data to OSM but they can’t 
> use OSM data to enrich their own. YMMV, this is my experience from talking to 
> governments in the U.S.
> 
> Martijn
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 2:07 PM, John Whelan > > wrote:
>> 
>> I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was passed 
>> my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point of view 
>> was there any advantage to the municipality in having their municipality 
>> mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap. 
>> 
>> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are 
>> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
>> 
>> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>> 
>> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some 
>> expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>> 
>> Thanks John
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[James]

Also to note that despite city believing their data is 100% correct, it
never seems to be the case thus requiring data manipulation/corrections. In
a way OSM is a repository with accurate/validated geo data

On Thu., Jan. 3, 2019, 5:40 p.m. john whelan  Then of course we have the mapping for the blind and disabled which are
> useful in supporting their citizens or visitors who are partially sighted
> or disabled.
>
> On the cycling front there are numerous maps, layers and routing software
> available as there are for footpaths to encourage walking so public health
> benefits.
>
> On the tourism side we have multilingual maps and then we have the simple
> making it easier to find municipal facilities.
>
> OSM has been used for countless student GIS projects or as an introduction
> to GIS.
>
> Then we have the idea of using crowd sourcing.
>
> I should probably gather these ideas and put them in the wiki together
> with the links.
>
> Thanks John
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 5:26 PM Mike N 
>> On 1/3/2019 5:13 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
>> > The slightly longer version is that there are likely economic benefits
>> > of many different kinds (traffic control, real estate, marketing and so
>> > on) that are difficult to quantify but are likely there.
>>
>>   Re: real estate use case - I have seen local agents refer to
>> neighborhoods that I put on OSM by surveying the new streets.  Clients
>> could be directed to use mapping apps to find a new neighborhood or new
>> street that is on a city's GIS but not on other maps yet.   (not sure
>> which app they tell their clients to use)
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[john whelan]

Then of course we have the mapping for the blind and disabled which are
useful in supporting their citizens or visitors who are partially sighted
or disabled.

On the cycling front there are numerous maps, layers and routing software
available as there are for footpaths to encourage walking so public health
benefits.

On the tourism side we have multilingual maps and then we have the simple
making it easier to find municipal facilities.

OSM has been used for countless student GIS projects or as an introduction
to GIS.

Then we have the idea of using crowd sourcing.

I should probably gather these ideas and put them in the wiki together with
the links.

Thanks John

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 5:26 PM Mike N  On 1/3/2019 5:13 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
> > The slightly longer version is that there are likely economic benefits
> > of many different kinds (traffic control, real estate, marketing and so
> > on) that are difficult to quantify but are likely there.
>
>   Re: real estate use case - I have seen local agents refer to
> neighborhoods that I put on OSM by surveying the new streets.  Clients
> could be directed to use mapping apps to find a new neighborhood or new
> street that is on a city's GIS but not on other maps yet.   (not sure
> which app they tell their clients to use)
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[Mike N]

On 1/3/2019 5:13 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
The slightly longer version is that there are likely economic benefits 
of many different kinds (traffic control, real estate, marketing and so 
on) that are difficult to quantify but are likely there.


 Re: real estate use case - I have seen local agents refer to 
neighborhoods that I put on OSM by surveying the new streets.  Clients 
could be directed to use mapping apps to find a new neighborhood or new 
street that is on a city's GIS but not on other maps yet.   (not sure 
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[joost schouppe]

John, might be worth pointing them to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_for_Government, which
collects some more advanced use cases by governments (often local).

I don't think it's mentioned there, but this is an example that is about as
awesome as it gets :
https://www.frontforce.be/news/hulpverleners-winnen-tijd-met-frontforce-emergency/
About how you can make a routing system adapted to fire services with osm.
Unfortunately in Dutch, maybe there are similar examples around.

Op do 3 jan. 2019 16:10 schreef John Whelan  I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was
> passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point
> of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having their
> municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap.
>
> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are
> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
>
> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>
> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some
> expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>
> Thanks John
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[Simon Poole]

I understood John's question very differently.

Essentially as "what are the benefits to our municipality of being
present in detail on OSM" not using the data or even contributing to it,
just as they are not likely to contemplate that for the goog or Here.

My short take on it would be: "because people can find stuff then".

The slightly longer version is that there are likely economic benefits
of many different kinds (traffic control, real estate, marketing and so
on) that are difficult to quantify but are likely there.

Simon


Am 03.01.2019 um 22:33 schrieb Martijn van Exel:
> John — a fairly new resource is the Welcome
> site, https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/why-openstreetmap/ specifically
> may be interesting to point them to. It’s fairly high level and brief
> in its explanations, but if gives organizations a place to start when
> they’re not familiar with OSM and consider using it or contributing to it.
>
> A common issue I have seen with governments wanting to use OSM data is
> the license, so they should look into that if they intend to use OSM
> data as a replacement / back-fill for any data they may now maintain
> themselves. Often it’s a one-way street: Governments can contribute
> data to OSM but they can’t use OSM data to enrich their own. YMMV,
> this is my experience from talking to governments in the U.S.
>
> Martijn
>
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 2:07 PM, John Whelan > > wrote:
>>
>> I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was
>> passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government
>> point of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having
>> their municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they
>> are located without payment and list their web sites and phone
>> numbers etc.
>>
>> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>>
>> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify
>> some expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[Yosem Companys]

How well do ArcGIS and OSM talk to each other? I have a client who has
opted for ArcGIS because his institution provides it for free. But I've
always thought of OSM as the better option. Should my client use OSM
instead, especially given that he wants to crowdsource data?

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 1:35 PM Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> John — a fairly new resource is the Welcome site,
> https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/why-openstreetmap/ specifically may be
> interesting to point them to. It’s fairly high level and brief in its
> explanations, but if gives organizations a place to start when they’re not
> familiar with OSM and consider using it or contributing to it.
>
> A common issue I have seen with governments wanting to use OSM data is the
> license, so they should look into that if they intend to use OSM data as a
> replacement / back-fill for any data they may now maintain themselves.
> Often it’s a one-way street: Governments can contribute data to OSM but
> they can’t use OSM data to enrich their own. YMMV, this is my experience
> from talking to governments in the U.S.
>
> Martijn
>
> On Jan 3, 2019, at 2:07 PM, John Whelan  wrote:
>
> I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was
> passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point
> of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having their
> municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap.
>
> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are
> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
>
> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>
> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some
> expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>
> Thanks John
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[Martijn van Exel]

John — a fairly new resource is the Welcome site, 
https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/why-openstreetmap/ 
 specifically may be 
interesting to point them to. It’s fairly high level and brief in its 
explanations, but if gives organizations a place to start when they’re not 
familiar with OSM and consider using it or contributing to it.

A common issue I have seen with governments wanting to use OSM data is the 
license, so they should look into that if they intend to use OSM data as a 
replacement / back-fill for any data they may now maintain themselves. Often 
it’s a one-way street: Governments can contribute data to OSM but they can’t 
use OSM data to enrich their own. YMMV, this is my experience from talking to 
governments in the U.S.

Martijn

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 2:07 PM, John Whelan  wrote:
> 
> I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was passed 
> my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point of view 
> was there any advantage to the municipality in having their municipality 
> mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap. 
> 
> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are 
> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
> 
> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
> 
> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some 
> expenditure and effort to  help enrich the map.
> 
> Thanks John
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[James]

community data hacking like the maps from bike ottawa(maps.bikeottawa.ca)

On Thu., Jan. 3, 2019, 4:10 p.m. John Whelan  I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was
> passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point
> of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having their
> municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap.
>
> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are
> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
>
> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>
> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some
> expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>
> Thanks John
>
>
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