date:20120321

Hi
Please just use this list so that others can share opinions on the project
too.  So feel free to ask your questions here.

Thanks

Graham

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On 21 Mar 2012 07:18, Priyanka priyanka.mengh...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I am a prospective GSoC 2012 applicant, and I am interested in
applying for the CycleStreets projects.

However, on the idea page, I do not find any link to contact the
mentor(s) for this project. Am I missing something? I would be
grateful if the information could be shared.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Tom Hughes


On 21/03/12 08:26, Simon Poole wrote:


See http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Rebuild_Plan


I think that date is very unlikely to be met.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Josh Doe

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
 On 21/03/12 08:26, Simon Poole wrote:

 See http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Rebuild_Plan

 I think that date is very unlikely to be met.

Putting it a little differently, how confident is the Rebuild Team
that all of those tasks can be accomplished and thoroughly tested
following that schedule? Personally, I've never seen a schedule so
ambitious, especially for an all-volunteer group.  Is the OSMF board
putting their full trust in the Rebuild Team, such that if the team
says the schedule cannot be met without any doubts (e.g. of data
integrity being compromised), then OSMF will postpone the rebuild?
Since I don't think OSMF has any choice but to rely on the Team (since
they're the only ones with the skills to do this), does the Rebuild
Team have the courage to tell the OSMF no; not yet?

Should this discussion be taking place on osmf-talk?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Way with only one single node

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst

[copied to potlatch-dev, followups probably better there]

Steve Bennett wrote:
 One thing we could add (in addition to trying to fix bugs in the
 various places 1-length ways could be created) would be a
 general filter at save time that prevents any 1-length ways
 being sent back to the database. What do you think?

There's three places you can theoretically trap it:

1. In the UI (i.e. don't let the user create them in the first place)
2. In the entity model and actions (i.e. don't let them get into P2's
internal data)
3. In the upload code (i.e. don't let them be transmitted to the server)

Historically P2 has tried to tackle it at 1 - don't let the user create
them. Clearly something's falling through the gaps and I'm in
communication with Thomas B to see if we can find out where there is.

2 is also a reasonable place to address it. I recently did this with empty
relations which, like 1-length ways, aren't actually forbidden by the data
model but are discouraged by the community:
https://github.com/systemed/potlatch2/commit/f762b5c7b33c0ff4ecbd37bc1db37634cedb3d8a

You'll see that, when you remove a member from a relation, this code now
deletes the relation instead if it would result in it having 0 members. We
may be able to do something similar here, though I suspect it would be
less easy.

I'm less keen on 3. Conceptually, uploading should just be a matter of
send the changes in P2's internal dataset to the server. Adding a check
here is a bit of a sticking plaster - it works but it doesn't fix the
underlying problem. I'd rather see if, with the help of some steps to
reproduce, we can fix 1 and/or 2 first before resorting to 3.

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tag for true OSM data?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Brendan Morley


Hi Jukka,

I'm just wondering why you would prefer using Corine landcover data 
[...] from the original sources and not pushed through OSM?


Thanks,
Brendan

On 31/03/2011 5:51 PM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote:

Hi,

I am mostly interested in truly original OSM data created by our contributors.
Now when folks are more and more importing data into OSM it is getting less
usable for me. For example if I want to use Corine landcover data I prefer using
it from the original sources and not pushed through OSM. Could it be reasonable
to have some true_osm=yes tag for the original OSM features?

-Jukka Rahkonen-


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Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 06:17:06 -0400
Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
  On 21/03/12 08:26, Simon Poole wrote:
 
  See http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Rebuild_Plan
 
  I think that date is very unlikely to be met.
 
 Putting it a little differently, how confident is the Rebuild Team
 that all of those tasks can be accomplished and thoroughly tested
 following that schedule?

I don't believe that this schedule will work; it is a schedule that was
basically created backwards: We want to finish by April 1st, then
what deadlines do we have to make for that to work. I have
for the past few weeks encouraged everyone to work diligently
instead to a deadline pulled out of thin air. Good progress has been
made but more time will be needed to do things right. The April 1st
proclamation did a lot of good in the past months because people
understood that we were serious, but clinging to it *now* is likely to
lead an unnecessarily downtime and sloppy work, which on top of all is
more stress for everyone involved than need be.

I'm committed to help doing the necessary stuff to get the license
change done and to do it properly. I'm not, however, committed to a
politically motivated deadline that serves no other purpose than for
OSMF to be able to say look we met our deadline. This is just silly
and needs to stop. It is neither good leadership nor good management;
it is an embarrassment.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Steve Bennett

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
 I think that date is very unlikely to be met.

I sincerely hope they don't even try. This is an entirely self-imposed
deadline with no external drivers at all - let's take our time and get
the best result possible.

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[OSM-talk] Calm down, dear

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst

In the UK there's a really annoying TV advert in which Michael Winner
(past-it film director and restaurant critic) urges Calm down, dear. It's
only a commercial. You can find it on YouTube if you want. Our beloved
(ahem) Prime Minister used the phrase to slap down a critic in the House
of Commons and was rightly panned for it.

So I realise I'll probably be panned for saying the same, but:

Calm down, dear. It's only a free map of the world.

The amount of drama (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drama)
in OSM at the moment is quite bewildering. It's almost as if we've decided
to stop being Wikipedia for maps and start being Encyclopaedia
Dramatica for maps. We have whole conspiracy theory threads because ESRI
expressed a mild preference that mentioning the actual sum of their
donation in the press release would be tacky, or something. (It was $25k.
I've probably broken some embargo or something. So sue me.) This has now
morphed into OSMF is institutionally broken via some thought process I
can't pretend to understand.

Meanwhile on talk@, some poor student who posted an innocent survey got
jumped on. And the licence change... oh my lord. Rather than accepting and
offering help to the kind, generous guys who are actually committing vast
amounts of time and branepower to get it done - and maybe we'll hit 1st
April or maybe it'll be a few days after or well, whatever, it's not the
end of the world - we're all running round, on-list and off-list, shouting
OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.

There is so much good stuff to celebrate in OSM right now. We have never
been so popular nor had so much media attention. There are people planning
to spend almost $1m to make OSM easier to use. The remapping work has
picked up momentum way beyond my expectations.

Everyone, basically, loves OSM. Let's remember that; value the
contributions of other volunteers; and try to actually enjoy ourselves. I
hope you will slap me down next time I'm a drama queen on the lists, and
in turn, I hope you'll all accept this friendly calm down, dear in the
spirit in which it was intended.

cheers
Richard

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[OSM-legal-talk] What licences (other than ODbL) are compatible with OSM after 1st April

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden mayeul . kauffmann

Hello,
Short version:
I think data licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0 cannot be put under ODbL without 
written authorisation by the copyright owner. Can you confirm this?


Long version:
I'm currently discussing with the copyright owner of a large database. They are 
a non profit organisation and want to release their data under a permissive 
licence to help integrate it in OSM or other projects. I suggested them to use 
ODbL but they would prefer CC-BY-SA 3.0, saying that it is compatible with ODbL 
as the following human-readable version of the license mentions similar 
licences:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

IMHO they are mistaken: I believe data licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0 cannot be 
put under ODbL without written authorisation by the copyright owner. Can you 
confirm this?

I would suggest them to release either under ODbL or under both  ODbL and  
CC-BY-SA 3.0 (I think they have ruled out more permissive licences like CC-BY, 
CC0 or public domain).

What do you think?
Thanks,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Calm down, dear

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Steve Bennett

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Richard Fairhurst
rich...@systemed.net wrote:
 jumped on. And the licence change... oh my lord. Rather than accepting and
 offering help to the kind, generous guys who are actually committing vast
 amounts of time and branepower to get it done - and maybe we'll hit 1st
 April or maybe it'll be a few days after or well, whatever, it's not the
 end of the world - we're all running round, on-list and off-list, shouting
 OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.

Hi Richard,
  First - yes, I agree with your overall point. On the licence change
thing, I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's been very little
(zero?) discussion of the rebuild activities on the talk@ mailing
list, or even legal-talk@. Presumably osmf-talk@ is another story. The
first I heard about it was on the maps-l Wikipedia mailing list, of
all places. Even osmfoundation.org makes virtually no reference to
what is happening, besides the oblique references to contact and
remap and the unlinked (or at least unfindable) rebuild plan.

So, yes, well done to the people such as yourself, Frederik and others
I don't know, who are doing a lot of technical work behind the scenes
to make the switch to unencumbered data a reality. Hopefully you may
find these observations helpful in understanding the reactions of the
broader community. (Translation: We have no idea what's going on.)

Against: This isn't a complaint, just an observation.

Steve

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Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Lester Caine


Frederik Ramm wrote:

The April 1st proclamation did a lot of good in the past months because people
understood that we were serious, but clinging to it*now*  is likely to
lead an unnecessarily downtime and sloppy work,


As I have said in the past ... any existing user who has not accepted the new 
terms just becomes disabled completely and we are no longer waiting for 
stragglers to accept.
The block I'm currently working on around Cheltenham in reality would not be a 
major loss. I'm having to verify and remap what is rather poor quality data 
anyway, but I don't have time to finish that this week, and the other local 
blocks such as at Malvern are only fine detail that would probably be better 
mapped clean anyway.


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[OSM-talk] About GSOC 2012

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Andun Sameera

Hi All,

I am a undergrad of University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka. I read your
descriptions of the GSOC ideas. I did several project which use maps
and manipulates maps. So I am really interested in doing a project
with you for this years GSOC. So can I discuss relevant thing in this
mailing list?

Can You Please provide me more details?

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Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC 2012 - Regarding CycleStreets Projects

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Priyanka

Hi Graham,

Thanks for your mail.

I am interested in the 'CycleStreets 2: Less wiggly routes' project. I
see that the project requires coming up with a reasonable algorithm
that includes the cost of taking a turn, so that the route is less
snaky.

I see that the http://www.cyclestreets.net/developers/projects/ page
reflects that the Routing project would be open-sourced shortly on
GitHub, and can be accessed currently with SVN.

I have several questions, and I would be grateful if someone could answer them:
- Is there a more detailed description of the algorithm being used
currently? Is it similar to the standard Dijkstra's algorithm?

- What should be the essential components of the proposal for this
project, specifically?

- It would be great if I could get SVN access to the source code, so
that I could study it.

Thanks  Regards
Priyanka

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi
 Please just use this list so that others can share opinions on the project
 too.  So feel free to ask your questions here.

 Thanks

 Graham

 from my phone

 On 21 Mar 2012 07:18, Priyanka priyanka.mengh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am a prospective GSoC 2012 applicant, and I am interested in
 applying for the CycleStreets projects.

 However, on the idea page, I do not find any link to contact the
 mentor(s) for this project. Am I missing something? I would be
 grateful if the information could be shared.

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[OSM-talk] Contourlines for Garmin

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Frank Fesevur

Hi,

Does anybody know a site that has the contour lines (for Europe at
least) for Garmin, now that http://openmtbmap.org does not have them
as a separate download anymore?

I use them together with the maps I normally download from
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Regards,
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[OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Janko Mihelić

Mappers in these towns treat ways in old parts of their town as something
that can't be a footpath. For some reason it insults their vision of those
ways. That's why they tag them as pedestrian highways although no cars ever
went through them (well, maybe some small delivery vehicles). Another
reason is that the names of those ways have street in their name, and so
a mapper thinks a footpath cannot be a street. Some examples of towns and
photos of ways that are tagged as pedestrian highways:

Venice: map http://osm.org/go/0IDhdnwp -
photohttp://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/28533234.jpg
San Giminagno: map http://osm.org/go/xXvzjCybS--
photohttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/4995821062_6b0204a1fe.jpg
Split: map http://osm.org/go/xdveAYOup-- -
photohttp://www.njuskalo.hr/image-w450/nekretnine/poslovni-prostor-split-centar-dioklecijanova-palaca-slika-1030138.jpg
Budva: map http://osm.org/go/xfIsIyMSI-- -
photohttp://shrani.si/f/3d/fD/38wbAo6l/budva-ulice.jpg
Dubrovnik: map http://osm.org/go/xfDsEN8zg-- -
photohttp://www.hrvatskainfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dubrovnik_ulica.jpg
Valencia: map http://osm.org/go/b_qOmjQ5-- -
photohttp://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/56711091.jpg

First question is, do you agree that these streets are footpaths, or only
some, or do they really fit the definition of a pedestrian highway? Maybe
we should invent a new tag?

If you think those are footpaths, should we forcefully change them or is
there a better tactic?

Have you had discussions about this topic, what was the conclusion?

Thanks,

Janko Mihelić
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Re: [OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden SomeoneElse


Janko Mihelic' wrote:
Mappers in these towns treat ways in old parts of their town as 
something that can't be a footpath.




Venice: map http://osm.org/go/0IDhdnwp - photo 
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/28533234.jpg
San Giminagno:map http://osm.org/go/xXvzjCybS-- photo 
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/4995821062_6b0204a1fe.jpg
Split: map http://osm.org/go/xdveAYOup-- - photo 
http://www.njuskalo.hr/image-w450/nekretnine/poslovni-prostor-split-centar-dioklecijanova-palaca-slika-1030138.jpg
Budva: map http://osm.org/go/xfIsIyMSI-- - photo 
http://shrani.si/f/3d/fD/38wbAo6l/budva-ulice.jpg
Dubrovnik: map http://osm.org/go/xfDsEN8zg-- - photo 
http://www.hrvatskainfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dubrovnik_ulica.jpg
Valencia: map http://osm.org/go/b_qOmjQ5-- - photo 
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/56711091.jpg


(my 2p)

Most of those look too wide to be footpaths to me.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Maarten Deen


On 21-3-2012 17:35, Janko Mihelić wrote:
 Mappers in these towns treat ways in old parts of their town as
 something that can't be a footpath. For some reason it insults their
 vision of those ways. That's why they tag them as pedestrian highways
 although no cars ever went through them (well, maybe some small delivery
 vehicles). Another reason is that the names of those ways have street

From the map_features wiki page:
highway=pedestrian: For roads used mainly/exclusively for 
pedestrians/shopping areas. Also for tagging squares and plazas


So why would it be incorrect to map these as pedestrian? The fact that 
motorvehicles don't use them has nothing to do with it.


Maarten

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Re: [OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden John F. Eldredge

Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:

 On 21-3-2012 17:35, Janko Mihelić wrote:
   Mappers in these towns treat ways in old parts of their town as
  something that can't be a footpath. For some reason it insults their
  vision of those ways. That's why they tag them as pedestrian
 highways
  although no cars ever went through them (well, maybe some small
 delivery
  vehicles). Another reason is that the names of those ways have
 street
 
  From the map_features wiki page:
 highway=pedestrian: For roads used mainly/exclusively for 
 pedestrians/shopping areas. Also for tagging squares and plazas
 
 So why would it be incorrect to map these as pedestrian? The fact that
 
 motorvehicles don't use them has nothing to do with it.
 
 Maarten
 

Yes, the definition of highway used in OSM covers more than just 
motor-vehicle routes.

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Re: [OSM-talk] About GSOC 2012

Hi,
Thank you for your interest in applying for GSoC with Openstreetmap.   This
list will be fine to ask questions.

Here are a few suggestions to get you started:

- It is important to understand the fundamentals of what OSM is, so if you
have not done so before, please start by creating an account and making
some improvements to the map in your local area.

- It would also be good to look at the OSM data structure.  Details of the
xml file format can be found on our wiki.

- The next stage is for you to develop a project proposal - our ideas
pagehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2012 lists
quite a few ideas, but these need some development to turn them into a
successful project proposal - you should be able to see our application
template on the Google GSoC web site.

Hope that helps.   Please feel free to ask more questions as you develop
your proposal.

Regards

Graham

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[OSM-talk] GSOC2012 Video Based Speed Limit Detector

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Emanuela Boroș

Hello,

My name is Emanuela Boros and I am a second year Software Engineering
master's student at the Al. Ioan Cuza University of Iasi, Romania and,
after I graduate, I plan to follow a phd program.

My research experience is focused mainly towards computer vision, image
processing, machine learning, multimodal information retrieval. It also
involves participating at international evaluation campaigns (ImageClef,
RobotVision) focusing on content-based image retrieval, image
classification and topological localization using visual information.

I am interested very interested in this project Video Based Speed Limit
Detector. I have noticed that the mentor associated with this project
doesn't have any contact details and  I would like to know who should I
contact for further clarifications before I start writing my proposal.

Thank you and best regards,
Emanuela Boros
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[OSM-talk] GSoC Application Process

Hi All,
Based on a couple of emails I have seen lately, I think I have communicated
the Google-Summer-of-Code (GSoC) process poorly, sorry!.

To clarify, this is how it works:

   - OSM has now been accepted as a mentoring organisation for GSoC - Ian
   Dees and I are acting as administrators for OSM.
   - Potential students review our project ideas
pagehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2012and
ask questions on the mailing lists for guidance etc.   It is really
   good if the person who proposed the project replies, but Ian or I step in
   if a quick reply is not forthcoming.I like to see the discussion of
   potential projects being open to the community in general to give others
   the chance to express opinions on the value of the proposal, potential
   pitfalls etc.
   - Students apply via the Google GSoC site (http://code.google.com/soc/),
   not to OSM or to a potential mentor.
   - In parallel with student applications OSM community members volunteer
   to act as mentors, and apply via the Google GSoC site (
   http://code.google.com/soc/).  Please drop myself and Ian an email too,
   in case we do not recognise you.
   - The people who have volunteered to act as OSM mentors identify which
   projects they would be willing to mentor.
   - The OSM mentors review and rank all of the proposals and decide which
   ones to accept, given the available mentors, the number of student places
   allocated to us by Google, and the quality of applications.   We enter the
   ranking into the GSoC web site so Google can see it.  [Note that we will
   discuss the applications off-list, because to me it is a bit like reviewing
   job applications - not the sort of thing you shout across the office].
   - The administrators (Ian and I) match the students to the mentors.
   - Google announces the successful applicants based on the ranking we
   have entered.
   - I will provide feedback to unsuccessful applicants on why their
   proposals were not accepted.
   - Then the real work begins!

I hope that helps.

The student application period starts in a few days, so it would be really
good if we could sign up potential mentors as soon as possible so that we
can start to review the applications as they arrive, so if you are
interested in acting as a mentor and would like any more information,
please contact Ian and I.


Regards


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Re: [OSM-talk] GSOC2012 Video Based Speed Limit Detector

Hi Emanuela,
Thank you for your interest in applying for GSoC with Openstreetmap.   This
list will be fine to ask questions - the person who proposed the project
idea should reply here.

Here are a few suggestions to get you started:

- It is important to understand the fundamentals of what OSM is, so if you
have not done so before, please start by creating an account and making
some improvements to the map in your local area.

- It would also be good to look at the OSM data structure.  Details of the
xml file format can be found on our wiki.  Not directly relevant to the
particular project idea that you are thinking of, but we are asking all
applicants to show an understanding of the basics of how OSM works this
year, irrespective of their particular project proposal, as you will see on
our application template.

- I think the project idea is about developing a plugin for the JOSM
editor?  If so it would be good to have a look at that and learn to use it,
then have a look at the code and some example plugins to see how they work
- you should find lots of information on the OSM wiki.

Hope that helps.   Please feel free to ask more questions as you develop
your proposal.

I would ask the person who proposed the idea to reply here with a bit more
information please, as this is not something I know anything about!

Regards


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Re: [OSM-talk] GSOC2012 Video Based Speed Limit Detector

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Stefan de Konink


Hi,

On 21-03-12 21:04, Emanuela Boroș wrote:

My name is Emanuela Boros and I am a second year Software Engineering
master's student at the Al. Ioan Cuza University of Iasi, Romania and,
after I graduate, I plan to follow a phd program.


As you might know from projects in GSoC two years ago we did some 
streetname recognition. For that we have a dataset available, you might 
be interested in working upon the work done there.


(With or without being selected as student :)


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Re: [OSM-talk] About GSOC 2012

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Andun Sameera

Dear Graham,

I read the idea page and find out that following projects are really
interesting and have a good potential for me,

1 - Improve / Create Simple Android OSM editor
2 - OSM Application for Android
3 - Offline Map Viewer App with Notes - Enhancing NeoMap App for Android
4 - Android Application to have complete tracking record of Friends
using OSM Data
5 - Nominatim (or alternative)
6 - HTML Based Micromapping Editor

I did three major project in my university which is really similar to
these kind of projects, Following description will give an idea bout
those projects,

1 - Did a major Android development project called Travel
Ceylon(http://www.insightforfuture.blogspot.com/2012/01/travel-ceylon-inteligent-travel-planner.html)
as my 3rd year software project at the university. It was a Android
application which is capable of providing trip plans in side Sri
Lanka. It uses a web service to get details to generate trip plans.
That web service also created by me. Using that Axis2+Java web service
my application generates trip plans intelligently considering users
interests.

* Interest list of the traveler.
* Starting position.
* Destination position.
* Time period of travel.
* Special places to be included.
* Special places to be avoided.
* Which cities do you want to stay.

Also I am currently developing a standalone version of Travel Ceylon
app. I use my web service to get details about cities and places in
Sri Lanka. In my standalone app, I integrate all these data into the
application itself using a SQLite database.

My android App’s codebase -
https://code.google.com/p/travel-ceylon-android-client/

My Web Service’s codebase - https://code.google.com/p/travel-ceylon-web-service/

You can visit my blog link to see complete set of screen shots of my
app. In near future I will release it to Android Market.

2 - MYJE - Make Your Journey Easy : Navigational System : This project
is a navigational system for Sri Lanka, which provides you the paths
to unknown destination and guide you through the path. Users are
guided though direction commands to their destination.

3 - I did some development regarding finding bus roots in Sri Lanka.
For example if you are in Sri Lanka, You have to go by several buses
to reach a place. So I Purposed an app can suggest those buses and
routes on users request.

4 - These days I am developing an Android application for Sri Lanka
Police Department. The university choose me to do that project. Police
department want a application which shows mobile communication details
of a place. They want to use it in their crime investigations.

5 - Also I am a major web developer of my University, Currently I
leading a team which creates a new web portal for our computer
engineering department. I am really familiar with technologies like
HTML,javascript,php etc.

So having those experiences in Map related things, Android development
etc. I think I want to do a project with you. So to proceed with my
proposal work, I will do the things what you asked me. I have lot of
data related to Sri Lanka.

So can I contact those possible mentors directly to discuss about
those projects sir? Because I have lot of things to ask?

Thanks

Andun Sameera
Undergraduate
University Of Moratuwa

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Thank you for your interest in applying for GSoC with Openstreetmap. This
list will be fine to ask questions.

Here are a few suggestions to get you started:

- It is important to understand the fundamentals of what OSM is, so if you
have not done so before, please start by creating an account and making some
improvements to the map in your local area.

- It would also be good to look at the OSM data structure. Details of the
xml file format can be found on our wiki.

- The next stage is for you to develop a project proposal - our ideas
page lists quite a few ideas, but these need some development to turn them
into a successful project proposal - you should be able to see our
application template on the Google GSoC web site.

Hope that helps. Please feel free to ask more questions as you develop
your proposal.

Regards

Graham

On 21 March 2012 15:39, Andun Sameera andun...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All,

I am a undergrad of University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka. I read your
descriptions of the GSOC ideas. I did several project which use maps
and manipulates maps. So I am really interested in doing a project
with you for this years GSOC. So can I discuss relevant thing in this
mailing list?

Can You Please provide me more details?

Thank You

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Re: [OSM-talk] GSOC2012 Video Based Speed Limit Detector

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Kai Krueger

Hi,


Graham Jones-2 wrote
 
 Hi Emanuela,
 ...
 - I think the project idea is about developing a plugin for the JOSM
 editor?  If so it would be good to have a look at that and learn to use
 it,
 then have a look at the code and some example plugins to see how they work
 - you should find lots of information on the OSM wiki.
 
 Hope that helps.   Please feel free to ask more questions as you develop
 your proposal.
 
 I would ask the person who proposed the idea to reply here with a bit more
 information please, as this is not something I know anything about!
 
I suggested the project on the wiki, and I would also be happy to mentor
this project should a proposal for it be accepted. (Last year OSM only had 3
slots and quite a number of students applied and so it is difficult to say
which ones will get accepted this year).

I'd like to give a bit more background as to the motivation for suggesting
this project and what might be involved in doing it. However, these are just
suggestions and if you have different ideas that would also be great, as
long as you can justify why they would be useful to OSM. In fact,
personally, I would strongly encourage students to enhance the proposals
with some of their own ideas. For one, those are then more likely to
interest the student and ensure that they do a good job with the project,
and secondly it demonstrates that the student has looked into the project
and has a thorough enough understanding of the project to contribute ideas
and to some degree work independently.

In the early days of OSM (and to a good degree still today), people went out
and about specifically to map. They for example walk, cycled, drove along
routes and stopped every few meters to take pictures of street signs, shops
or house numbers or write down notes about what is on the roads, which they
can then easily process back home into detailed maps for OpenStreetMap. This
is really great for the project and often a lot of fun for the mapper, but
also rather time consuming and perhaps not everyones idea of an ideal hobby.
It also becomes less fun if you work in densely mapped areas and are only
verifying data rather than contributing new data. Therefore to scale up
mapping to larger numbers it is important to try and incorporate more
mapping into every day, rather than special mapping trips. Perhaps two of
the most relevant techniques for this are audio and video mapping[2]. In the
case of audio mapping one would record audio notes about various things to
map while traveling. Videomapping is even easier, as one would simply
videotape (e.g. with a helmet mount camera, or a web cam on the car
dashboard) a trip and one doesn't need to do anything at the time. However,
post processing this later on into map data can be rather tiresome and
boring, as one has to sift through possibly hours of traffic recordings to
filter out the interesting bits.

This is where the proposal for the video based speed limit detector comes
in. The idea is to automate as much as possible this sifting through the
video recording and make the life for the mapper as easy as possible to
extract relevant information.

In its simplest form, the project would be to go through a video recording
image by image and detect if there is an interesting street sign in the
video. If there is, it would pull that image out, correlate it with a GPS
track that was recorded simultaneously and present those images as photos in
JOSM to be used in the standard photo based mapping in JOSM. To make the
work-flow as simple as possible for mappers, the system should be well
integrated into an editor like JOSM. It looks like you might be able to base
your work off of the video mapping plugin for JOSM [3].

Once this minimal goal is achieved, there are nearly a limitless number of
extensions one can play and experiment with to improve the usefulness to
mappers.

One thing would be to not only detect an interesting street sign like a
speed limit in a picture, but also to recognize which sign it is and then
allow the mapper to automatically apply the correct tagging for the sign.
Another idea would be to try and use the video stream, the speed of travel
and the perspective increase as the sign comes nearer to estimate a more
exact location of the street sign, to get the beginning of e.g. a speed
limit as accurate as possible. One can also spend a lot of time trying to
get the detection and recognition algorithms as robust as possible, so that
they can work in varying lighting conditions or also with cheap web cams.

Although the suggestion mentions speed limits, one could use other signs as
well. However, speed limit signs (at least the european ones) should be
comparatively easy, as they are designed to be very obvious with very high
contrast. Furthermore, they are fairly important to routing and so far have
been less common to tag in openstreetmap. As such missing speed limits is
one of the most common bug reports people report [1] with using OSM in a

Re: [OSM-talk] GSOC2012 Video Based Speed Limit Detector

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Paul Norman

 From: Stefan de Konink [mailto:ste...@konink.de]
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GSOC2012 Video Based Speed Limit Detector

 Hi,

 On 21-03-12 21:04, Emanuela Boroș wrote:
  My name is Emanuela Boros and I am a second year Software Engineering
  master's student at the Al. Ioan Cuza University of Iasi, Romania
  and, after I graduate, I plan to follow a phd program.

 As you might know from projects in GSoC two years ago we did some
 streetname recognition. For that we have a dataset available, you might
 be interested in working upon the work done there.

 (With or without being selected as student :)

I also have a dataset of about 1000 georeferenced photos taken every 60 seconds 
by a digital camera available. These are higher quality than most video cameras 
would be, but are taken farther apart.

ToeBee from IRC just got a GoPro and is looking at video mapping.

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Re: [Talk-br] importar dados de campus da UFRB

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Wille


olá, Aun

On 09-03-2012 16:03, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote:

Oi,

Eu fiz o importação do Vitoria do dwg dados. Primeiro você precocar convertir o 
dwg por dfx, depois existem ferhamentos para covertir o dfx por various 
formatos em que você poder trabalhar.
Consegui converter o dwg para dxf. Tentei compilar o TwoNickels[1] para 
fazer a conversão do dxf para .osm, mas não consegui.


Você usou que ferramenta para fazer a conversão?

[1] https://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/TwoNickels

abçs,
wille



Mais informação  sobre meu importação no meu diario 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Skippern

Aun Y. Johnsen
Sent from my iPad
+55 (27) 3261-3162
+55 (27) 9736-3919 (vivo)

On 9. mars 2012, at 11:00, Willewi...@wille.blog.br  wrote:


Olá,

Consegui junto à universidade em que trabalho, a disponibilização de um arquivo 
dwg de um dos campus e autorização para importar os dados para o OSM, porém não 
consegui encontrar instruções de como fazer isso.

Alguém indica algum link de manual ou teria disponibilidade para fazer essa 
importação?

valeu!
abçs,
wille

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Re: [Talk-de] Karten-Fehler in einer Wiki-Seite


Am 21.03.12 02:44, schrieb aighes:

Ist ja wohl nicht sooo neu, dass osmarender seinen Dienst eingestellt
hat, oder?



Wäre ein gutes Thema fürs WikiProjekt Cleanup. Kann man im Wiki keine 
bots für sowas einrichten?


Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-de] Karten-Fehler in einer Wiki-Seite

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden ssho...@gmx.de


Am 21.03.2012 07:21, schrieb Andre Joost:
 Wäre ein gutes Thema fürs WikiProjekt Cleanup. Kann man im Wiki keine
 bots für sowas einrichten?

Doch das geht aber hier sind Leute mit Programmierkenntnissen gefragt:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Tets-Bot/Ich_will_auch_einen_Bot!

Den Einsatz eines Bots bitte UNBEDINGT mit dem Cleanup-Team auf der
Diskussionsseite des Projektes absprechen!

Grüße
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[Talk-de] Release von OSMapTuner

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden OSMapTuner


Hallo OSM-Community,

nun ist es soweit: Das Forscherteam von Salzburg Research hat eine 
seiner neuesten Arbeiten veröffentlicht: OSMapTuner – ein neuer mobiler 
Editor für die Bearbeitung von OSM-Daten. OSMapTuner ist speziell für 
die Erfassung und Bearbeitung von Tags und deren Values vor Ort 
konzipiert. OSMapTuner ist als kostenlose App für Android Smartphones 
und Tablet PCs ab sofort verfügbar.


Mehr Infos findet Ihr auf unserer Homepage unter 
http://osmaptuner.salzburgresearch.at/


Über Feedback, Bug-Reporting usw. würden wir uns freuen und bitten Euch 
das OpenStreetMap Forum zu benutzen:

http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=54

Wir wünschen Euch viel Spaß beim „Tunen“ der OpenStreetMap!

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Re: [Talk-de] Release von OSMapTuner

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden OSMapTuner


Hallo,

Der OSMapTuner läuft ab Android Version 2.2 (Froyo). Auf der Google Play 
Seite der App 
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.srfg.osmaptuner) wird 
diese Information auch angegeben. Warum haben wir uns genau für diese 
Version entschieden?


1.) Geschwindigkeit: Ab Froyo wird eine Just-in-time Kompilierung 
verwendet. Das verwendete Vektor Rendering stellt hohe Anforderungen an 
die Hardware und die JIT Compilierung verbessert die Performance deutlich.
2.) Verbreitung: Nur mehr weniger als 10% der Geräte verwenden noch eine 
Android Version  2.2 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29#Usage_share)
3.) Tests: Es gibt nur mehr sehr wenige Geräte, die zb mit Android 2.1 
oder kleiner laufen und für die es kein Update gibt. Dementsprechend 
steht uns auch kein Testgerät 2.2 zur Verfügung


Aber, wie gesagt, Hauptgrund bleibt die Performance.

lg,

hike39 schrieb:

Schön und gut, aber mit welchen Mobiles ist diese kompatibel? Jedenfalls
nach Google Play nicht mit meinem HTC Hero. Ich habe hierzu auch schon
den Entwickler angeschrieben und um eine Kompatibilitätslsite gebeten.

hike39

Am 21.03.2012 08:36, schrieb OSMapTuner:
  

Hallo OSM-Community,

nun ist es soweit: Das Forscherteam von Salzburg Research hat eine
seiner neuesten Arbeiten veröffentlicht: OSMapTuner – ein neuer mobiler
Editor für die Bearbeitung von OSM-Daten. OSMapTuner ist speziell für
die Erfassung und Bearbeitung von Tags und deren Values vor Ort
konzipiert. OSMapTuner ist als kostenlose App für Android Smartphones
und Tablet PCs ab sofort verfügbar.

Mehr Infos findet Ihr auf unserer Homepage unter
http://osmaptuner.salzburgresearch.at/

Über Feedback, Bug-Reporting usw. würden wir uns freuen und bitten Euch
das OpenStreetMap Forum zu benutzen:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=54

Wir wünschen Euch viel Spaß beim „Tunen“ der OpenStreetMap!

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Re: [Talk-de] Release von OSMapTuner

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Fred Jelk

Sieht sehr gut aus. Auf Galaxy Nexus und HTC Desire Z funktioniert diese 
App klasse.
Nur eine Funktion vermisse ich: einen neuen POI hinzufügen. Bestehende 
POIs, Wege, usw zu editieren ist schon mal sehr gut, aber es wäre doch 
noch sehr hilfreich, wenn man auch noch neue POIs hinzufügen könnte.


Am 21.03.2012 08:36, schrieb OSMapTuner:

Hallo OSM-Community,

nun ist es soweit: Das Forscherteam von Salzburg Research hat eine 
seiner neuesten Arbeiten veröffentlicht: OSMapTuner – ein neuer 
mobiler Editor für die Bearbeitung von OSM-Daten. OSMapTuner ist 
speziell für die Erfassung und Bearbeitung von Tags und deren Values 
vor Ort konzipiert. OSMapTuner ist als kostenlose App für Android 
Smartphones und Tablet PCs ab sofort verfügbar.


Mehr Infos findet Ihr auf unserer Homepage unter 
http://osmaptuner.salzburgresearch.at/


Über Feedback, Bug-Reporting usw. würden wir uns freuen und bitten 
Euch das OpenStreetMap Forum zu benutzen:

http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=54

Wir wünschen Euch viel Spaß beim „Tunen“ der OpenStreetMap!

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Re: [Talk-de] Release von OSMapTuner

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Michael Krämer

Am 21. März 2012 10:15 schrieb hike39 ho...@hike.de:

 Schön und gut, aber mit welchen Mobiles ist diese kompatibel?

Oh, da hatte ich ja Glück - mit meinem HTC Desire Z geht die App.

Grüße,
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Re: [Talk-de] Fehlermeldungen bei nicht gefundenen Tiles im Server

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Jan Tappenbeck


Hi !

sorry - das ist ein Apache...

Am 20.03.2012 21:24, schrieb Stephan Knauss:

On 20.03.2012 20:56, o...@tappenbeck.net wrote:

Hat einer eine Idee wie man dem System noch beibringen könnte nicht
immer eine Fehlermeldung im Logfile auszugeben ?


Da solltest du mal in die Anleitung deines Webservers schauen. Die
verbreitetsten nennen sich Apache, IIS oder nginx.

Je nach dem funktioniert das ein klein wenig anders. Google hilft
bestimmt auch weiter...




Klasse, da weiß einer mit diesen fachlichen Dingen weiter - läßt einen 
aber im Regen stehen.


Gruß Jan :-)


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[Talk-de] Berliner Bücherhimmel?!?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Steffen Grunewald

Hallo,

auf einer Mapnik-Karte von Berlin und Umland taucht ganz groß
unter dem Schriftzug Berlin ein Berliner Bücherhimmel auf.

Die folgende URL führt dort hin:
http://parent.tile.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/export?bbox=13.200,52.400,13.600,52.600scale=75format=png
- es passiert aber auch bei Maßstäben zwischen 1:30 und 1:100,
nicht bei 1:10.

Woher kommt das Label?

S

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Re: [Talk-de] Berliner Bücherhimmel?!?


Am 21.03.12 13:09, schrieb Steffen Grunewald:

Hallo,

auf einer Mapnik-Karte von Berlin und Umland taucht ganz groß
unter dem Schriftzug Berlin ein Berliner Bücherhimmel auf.

Die folgende URL führt dort hin:
http://parent.tile.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/export?bbox=13.200,52.400,13.600,52.600scale=75format=png
- es passiert aber auch bei Maßstäben zwischen 1:30 und 1:100,
nicht bei 1:10.

Woher kommt das Label?




Vom Berliner Bücherhimmel natürlich:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/155777976
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1681395850

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Re: [Talk-de] Berliner Bücherhimmel?!?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Steffen Grunewald

On Wed 2012-03-21 (13:21), Andre Joost wrote:
 Am 21.03.12 13:09, schrieb Steffen Grunewald:
 Hallo,
 
 auf einer Mapnik-Karte von Berlin und Umland taucht ganz groß
 unter dem Schriftzug Berlin ein Berliner Bücherhimmel auf.
 
 Die folgende URL führt dort hin:
 http://parent.tile.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/export?bbox=13.200,52.400,13.600,52.600scale=75format=png
 - es passiert aber auch bei Maßstäben zwischen 1:30 und 1:100,
 nicht bei 1:10.
 
 Woher kommt das Label?
 
 
 
 Vom Berliner Bücherhimmel natürlich:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/155777976
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1681395850

Und der ist so wichtig, daß man ihn gleichrangig mit Berlin,
als place=city darstellen muß?


S

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Re: [Talk-de] Fehlermeldungen bei nicht gefundenen Tiles im Server

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Philip Gillißen

Hallo Jan!

Ich vermute einfach mal, dass du 404 Fehler im Webserver-Logfile meinst.
Die kannst du unterbinden, indem du den Webserver so konfigurierst, dass
404-Fehler nicht im Log auftauchen (am besten nur für bestimmte Ordner).
Genauere Details können wir dir aber nicht liefern, weil du keine Details
zum Webserver nennst.

Stichworte für Google wären: 404 error log [name des webservers]
Viel Erfolg damit!

Gruß, Philip

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Re: [Talk-de] Berliner Bücherhimmel?!?


Am 21.03.12 13:33, schrieb Steffen Grunewald:

On Wed 2012-03-21 (13:21), Andre Joost wrote:

Am 21.03.12 13:09, schrieb Steffen Grunewald:

Hallo,

auf einer Mapnik-Karte von Berlin und Umland taucht ganz groß
unter dem Schriftzug Berlin ein Berliner Bücherhimmel auf.

Die folgende URL führt dort hin:
http://parent.tile.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/export?bbox=13.200,52.400,13.600,52.600scale=75format=png
- es passiert aber auch bei Maßstäben zwischen 1:30 und 1:100,
nicht bei 1:10.

Woher kommt das Label?




Vom Berliner Bücherhimmel natürlich:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/155777976
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1681395850


Und der ist so wichtig, daß man ihn gleichrangig mit Berlin,
als place=city darstellen muß?


Du kannst ja mal dort vorbeischauen und nachfragen...

Der Weg quer über Häuser hinweg ist natürlich auch Blödsinn.

Gruß,
Andre Joost



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Re: [Talk-de] Berliner Bücherhimmel?!?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Steffen Grunewald

On Wed 2012-03-21 (13:39), Andre Joost wrote:
 auf einer Mapnik-Karte von Berlin und Umland taucht ganz groß
 unter dem Schriftzug Berlin ein Berliner Bücherhimmel auf.
 
 Vom Berliner Bücherhimmel natürlich:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/155777976
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1681395850
 
 Und der ist so wichtig, daß man ihn gleichrangig mit Berlin,
 als place=city darstellen muß?
 
 Du kannst ja mal dort vorbeischauen und nachfragen...

Mapper since: 19 March 2012 at 08:56 (2 days ago)
Contributor terms: Accepted 2 days ago 

und http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Berliner%20B%C3%BCcherhimmel/edits

sieht nicht gut aus.

 Der Weg quer über Häuser hinweg ist natürlich auch Blödsinn.

... und sieht für mich eher wie ein Mittelding zwischen
(ungewolltem) Vandalismus und Weinwerbung aus. Mein Eindruck
kann aber täuschen.

Was tun? Wegwerfen? Auf OSB eintragen?

S

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[Talk-de] Auswertung Stolpersteine Frankfurt / Main

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Jan Tappenbeck


Moin !

ich schreibe mal in DE und vielleich kann das einer in die FFM-Liste 
weiterreichen.


Eine SOLL-IST-Auswertung der Stolpersteine in Frankfurt habe ich ergänzt 
in [1] und erreichbar ist diese unter [2]. Die aktuellen OSM-Daten sind 
allerdings nicht tagesaktuell.


Leider klappt das nicht ganz mit der Auswertung, weil in der 
Vergleichsliste zum einen die Geburtsnamen der Frauen mit gelistet sind 
und diese aus Gründen der Eindeutigkeit mit ausgewertet werden.


Wenn die Community interessiert ist, dann wäre es sinnvoll beim 
Namenstag noch , geb. xyz zu ergänzen - wie in Hamburg zum Beispiel.


Anregungen nehme ich gerne entgegen.

Gruß Jan :-)




[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stolpersteine#Erfasste_Steine

[2] 
http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/quality/stolpersteine/frankfurt_main/stolpersteine_ffm.html


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Re: [Talk-de] Berliner Bücherhimmel?!?


Am 21.03.12 13:54, schrieb Steffen Grunewald:


... und sieht für mich eher wie ein Mittelding zwischen
(ungewolltem) Vandalismus und Weinwerbung aus. Mein Eindruck
kann aber täuschen.

Was tun? Wegwerfen? Auf OSB eintragen?



Freundlich ansprechen. Der Laden wird von zwei Frauen geleitet ;-)

Und nebenbei könnten sie ja ihre Anfahrtskizze von bing auf osm 
umstellen, wenn ihr Laden dort ordentlich eingezeichnet ist.

Natürlich nicht als Stadt.

Gruß,
Andre Joost





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[Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

Hallo, das Projekt zum Highlighten von OSM-Objekten in der Wikipedia ist 
in seiner Beta-Phase jetzt live geschalten:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM

Erstmal ist die Live-Schaltung nur in dt.Sprache aktiv.

Beta-Phase deshalb, weil der IE erstmal nicht unterstützt wird.
Ich denke für eine IE-Unterstützung brauchen wir serverseitiges 
Rendering, das wird noch etwas dauern, bis dahin könnt Ihr ja schonmal 
fleißig Wikipedia-Tags eintragen und diskutieren, wie was eingetragen 
werden soll.


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[Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

Hallo, das Projekt zum Highlighten von OSM-Objekten in der Wikipedia ist 
in seiner Beta-Phase jetzt live geschalten:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM

Erstmal ist die Live-Schaltung nur in dt.Sprache aktiv.

Beta-Phase deshalb, weil der IE erstmal nicht unterstützt wird.
Ich denke für eine IE-Unterstützung brauchen wir serverseitiges 
Rendering, das wird noch etwas dauern, bis dahin könnt Ihr ja schonmal 
fleißig Wikipedia-Tags eintragen und diskutieren, wie was eingetragen 
werden soll.


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[Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Tim Alder

Hallo, das Projekt zum Highlighten von OSM-Objekten in der Wikipedia  
ist in seiner Beta-Phase jetzt live geschalten:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM

Erstmal ist die Live-Schaltung nur in dt.Sprache aktiv.

Beta-Phase deshalb, weil der IE erstmal nicht unterstützt wird.
Ich denke für eine IE-Unterstützung brauchen wir serverseitiges  
Rendering, das wird noch etwas dauern, bis dahin könnt Ihr ja schonmal  
fleißig Wikipedia-Tags eintragen und diskutieren, wie was eingetragen  
werden soll.


Während der Lizenzumstellung wird es dann nochmal in der  
Aktualisierung zu einer Unterbrechung von vielleicht einem Monat kommen.


Grüße Kolossos


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[Talk-de] Ziehen von Tiles

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Jan Tappenbeck


hi !

ich brauche für Karten Tiles und egal ob ich diese versuche über ein 
Script zu ziehen oder jtiledownload es schläft fast ein. In 
unterschiedlichen Netzen probiert.


Könnt Ihr das bestätigen ?

gruß Jan .-)

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Re: [Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Peter Wendorff


Hi.
Hab mir grade die Beispiele angeguckt und erstmal 'ne Minute gebraucht 
um rauszufinden, wo die Daten herkommen, weil nicht so direkt klar ist, 
dass der Wikipedia-Tag aus OSM dazu genutzt wird.


Soweit ich das bisher bewerten kann, find ich das Projekt klasse, aber 
zwei Dinge sind mir aufgefallen:


1) Ja, die Info ist da, aber ich würde noch etwas deutlicher auf der 
wiki-seite schreiben, dass eben die wikipedia-Tags aus OSM dafür 
ausgewertet werden.


2) Wie werden welche Objekte dargestellt? Ich würde mir hier eine Liste 
wünschen:

- Punkte als generische Marker (?)
- ways als linienzüge
- closed ways als Polygone (immer? oder wann offen?)
- Multipolygon-Relationen als Multipolygone korrekt ausgewertet
- was ist mit site-Relations etc, die z.B. die Gebäude einer Universität 
zusammenfassen?
- riverbanks (ist im grunde schon genannt auf der Seite, gehört aber mit 
in die Tabelle dann)


3) Ist es geplant, das auch auf die Listenartikel etc. in der Wikipedia 
zu erweitern? Highlighting der Ländergrenzen z.B. auf 
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bundesl%C3%A4nder wär doch auch 
schick ;) (dürfte aber komplexer sein, das noch mit umzusetzen)


Gruß

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Re: [Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Peter Wendorff


Hi Tim.
Nichts für ungut, aber das war jetzt die dritte Mail an talk-de ;)

Gruß
Peter

Am 21.03.2012 16:54, schrieb Tim Alder:
Hallo, das Projekt zum Highlighten von OSM-Objekten in der Wikipedia 
ist in seiner Beta-Phase jetzt live geschalten:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM

Erstmal ist die Live-Schaltung nur in dt.Sprache aktiv.

Beta-Phase deshalb, weil der IE erstmal nicht unterstützt wird.
Ich denke für eine IE-Unterstützung brauchen wir serverseitiges 
Rendering, das wird noch etwas dauern, bis dahin könnt Ihr ja schonmal 
fleißig Wikipedia-Tags eintragen und diskutieren, wie was eingetragen 
werden soll.


Während der Lizenzumstellung wird es dann nochmal in der 
Aktualisierung zu einer Unterbrechung von vielleicht einem Monat kommen.


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[Talk-de] Neue Lizenzen ohne Share-Alike?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Bernd Heinze

Hallo,

nachdem letzte Woche im Heise-Ticker die Nachricht kam, dass bald die Lizenz 
umgestellt wird, habe ich mir die ganze Chose mal näher angeschaut. 
Insbesonders der Abschnitt über zukünftige Lizenzen hat mich irritiert. Es wird 
nur von free und open gesprochen, aber eine Verpflichtung die modifizierten 
Daten weiterzugeben finde ich da nicht drin. Ist das korrekt? In Zukunft 
könnten also die OSM-Daten in Closed Source-Projekten verwendet werden?

Gruß
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Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenzen ohne Share-Alike?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden aighes


Wenn 2/3 der dann aktiven Mapper das so wollen, dann ja.

Henning


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Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenzen ohne Share-Alike?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Trawoeger

Leider verwendet auch Heise.de gerne die Worte Frei und Open für
alles was Kostenfrei ist.

Die neue ODBL ist aber genauso eine Share-Alike Lizenz wie die alte
CC-By-SA: http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/

cu andreas

Am 21. März 2012 20:14 schrieb Bernd Heinze berndheinz...@yahoo.de:
 Hallo,

 nachdem letzte Woche im Heise-Ticker die Nachricht kam, dass bald die Lizenz 
 umgestellt wird, habe ich mir die ganze Chose mal näher angeschaut. 
 Insbesonders der Abschnitt über zukünftige Lizenzen hat mich irritiert. Es 
 wird nur von free und open gesprochen, aber eine Verpflichtung die 
 modifizierten Daten weiterzugeben finde ich da nicht drin. Ist das korrekt? 
 In Zukunft könnten also die OSM-Daten in Closed Source-Projekten verwendet 
 werden?

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Re: [Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden ThomasB

Hallo Tim,

also ich finde es gut, was Du da auf die Beine stellst. Hoffentlich kommt
das bald in anderen Sprachversionen.

Aber ich finde es nicht gut, dass Du unabgesprochen Deine Vorstellungen von
dem Taggingschema durchsetzen möchtest.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Awikipediaaction=historysubmitdiff=748880oldid=746730

Mag ja sein, dass Deine Lösung besser ist. Kann ich mangels Wissen über die
interne Organisation von Wikipedia nicht beurteilen. Ich habe meine Zweifel,
dass die Übersetzung in andere Sprachversionen bei umstrittenen Gebieten
immer funktioniert, aber seis drum. Einfach mal so, ohne jemand etwas zu
sagen das Tagging Schema bei OSM zu ändern, geht nicht. 

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Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenzen ohne Share-Alike?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden aighes

Ich gehe mal davon aus, das Bernd nicht die ODbL meint, sondern die CT's 
und die darin enthaltene Klausel, dass das Projekt in Zukunft jede 
Lizenz annehmen kann, die free and open ist, so denn 2/3 der aktiven 
Mapper zustimmen.


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Hallo Peter,
zu 2) Wir machen bezüglich der Darstellung der Geometrien nicht viel, 
das meiste macht schon osm2pgsql in der Standard-Definition. Wir 
übertragen diese Geometrien einfach nur per PostGIS-Befehl ins 
geoJSON-Format und dieses wird dann in OpenLayers etwas gestylt[1]. Mehr 
gibt es daher vielleicht nicht zu sagen. Eintscheidend war, dass die 
Ergebnisse bei div. Beispielen gut aussahen, was auch immer OSM2pgsql 
das so macht.


zu 3) Listenartikel, also mehrere Links auf verschiedene Karten, würde 
ich erstmal aussen vorlassen wollen, da kann ich mir die Usibility und 
die Umsetzung noch nicht ganz vorstellen. Da kommt dann als nächster 
Wunsch da noch was interaktives zu machen und das noch in bunt. Das läßt 
sich dann aber wohl kaum noch automatisch generieren.

Eine Karte mit allen Listeneinträgen sollte aber machbar sein.


Grüße Tim

P.S.: Der 3fache Eintrag in der Mailingliste war dazu da damit das 
wirklich jeder liest. Nein irgendwie spinnte das Mailprogramm im 
Konf.-netzwerk.


[1]var styleMap = new OpenLayers.StyleMap({'pointRadius': 7,
'strokeWidth': 3,
'strokeColor': '#ff',
'fillColor': '#ff',
'fillOpacity': .3
 });


Am 21.03.2012 20:01, schrieb Peter Wendorff:

Hi.
Hab mir grade die Beispiele angeguckt und erstmal 'ne Minute gebraucht
um rauszufinden, wo die Daten herkommen, weil nicht so direkt klar ist,
dass der Wikipedia-Tag aus OSM dazu genutzt wird.

Soweit ich das bisher bewerten kann, find ich das Projekt klasse, aber
zwei Dinge sind mir aufgefallen:

1) Ja, die Info ist da, aber ich würde noch etwas deutlicher auf der
wiki-seite schreiben, dass eben die wikipedia-Tags aus OSM dafür
ausgewertet werden.

2) Wie werden welche Objekte dargestellt? Ich würde mir hier eine Liste
wünschen:
- Punkte als generische Marker (?)
- ways als linienzüge
- closed ways als Polygone (immer? oder wann offen?)
- Multipolygon-Relationen als Multipolygone korrekt ausgewertet
- was ist mit site-Relations etc, die z.B. die Gebäude einer Universität
zusammenfassen?
- riverbanks (ist im grunde schon genannt auf der Seite, gehört aber mit
in die Tabelle dann)

3) Ist es geplant, das auch auf die Listenartikel etc. in der Wikipedia
zu erweitern? Highlighting der Ländergrenzen z.B. auf
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bundesl%C3%A4nder wär doch auch
schick ;) (dürfte aber komplexer sein, das noch mit umzusetzen)

Gruß

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Re: [Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

Hallo Thomas,
es muss klar sein, dass es die Angabe einer Sprache zusätzlich zum
Artikel braucht, ansonsten bekommt man das niemals machinell und
eindeutig verknüft. Man muss generell immer eine bestimmte Wikipedia
fragen, z.B. wenn man die InterWikiLinks wissen will.

Meine Vorstellung, dass Wikipedia=lang:Artikel zu preferieren ist, wird
ja auch weiter unten im Artikel durchaus so beschrieben. Ich wollte nur,
dass das auch für jeden schon am Anfang des Artikel erkannt wird.
Zudem habe ich den Inhalt nur an die dt. Übersetzung angepasst, die in
dem Fall durchdachter erschien.

Ohne Sprachangabe ist der Wikipedia-Tag nur menschenlesbar aber nicht
maschinenlesbar. Es gibt einfach nicht eine Wikipedia.

Grüße Tim

Am 21.03.2012 21:05, schrieb ThomasB:

Hallo Tim,

also ich finde es gut, was Du da auf die Beine stellst. Hoffentlich kommt
das bald in anderen Sprachversionen.

Aber ich finde es nicht gut, dass Du unabgesprochen Deine Vorstellungen von
dem Taggingschema durchsetzen möchtest.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Awikipediaaction=historysubmitdiff=748880oldid=746730

Mag ja sein, dass Deine Lösung besser ist. Kann ich mangels Wissen über die
interne Organisation von Wikipedia nicht beurteilen. Ich habe meine Zweifel,
dass die Übersetzung in andere Sprachversionen bei umstrittenen Gebieten
immer funktioniert, aber seis drum. Einfach mal so, ohne jemand etwas zu
sagen das Tagging Schema bei OSM zu ändern, geht nicht.

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Re: [Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Christian Müller

Am 21.03.2012 21:05, schrieb ThomasB:
 Einfach mal so, ohne jemand etwas zu
 sagen das Tagging Schema bei OSM zu ändern, geht nicht. 

+1.  Dennoch, das bedeutet auch, dass man sich mit Vorschlägen auf der
Liste im Detail befasst.  Ich sehe da eine gewisse Müdigkeit.

Dem folgend kann ich mir gut vorstellen, dass nach dem kolossalen Coding
von WIWOSM, die Änderung des Wikis trivial erschien.  Problematisch wird
es, wenn dadurch andere Drittanwendungen brechen, aber ob deren
Maintainer dann durch den Listenpost erreicht werden, bleibt so und so
fraglich.  Zudem ist das Wiki keine Bibel, sondern ein Leitfaden zum
Konsens..

Weiterhin ist [[Talk:*]]  im Wiki dazu da, dort _themenbezogen_
diskutieren zu können, damit die Mailingliste digestable bleibt und
bestenfalls nur noch ein paar links dorthin aufnehmen muss, z.B.:
   
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konsens#Konsens_als_Ziel_bei_Gruppenentscheidungen

Ich persönlich finde es einfacher und angenehmer im Wiki zu stöbern, als
in den automatisch zusammengestellten Mailing-List-Archives.


Gruß
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Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenzen ohne Share-Alike?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm

Hallo,

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:14:43 + (GMT)
Bernd Heinze berndheinz...@yahoo.de wrote:
 Es wird nur von free und open gesprochen, aber
 eine Verpflichtung die modifizierten Daten weiterzugeben finde ich da
 nicht drin. Ist das korrekt?

Ja. Darueber ist viel diskutiert worden. 

Auf der einen Seite wollen wir, dass unsere Daten frei bleiben; auf der
anderen Seite wollen wir den kuenftigen OpenStreetMappern auch die
Freiheit einraeumen, selbst zu bestimmen, wohin ihre Reise geht.

Es ist durchaus denkbar, dass sich die Geodaten-Szene so entwickelt,
dass man mit einer Share-Alike-Lizenz nirgends mehr ernst genommen wird
- nimm an, amtliche Daten waeren CC-BY, fuer wieviele Nutzer sind wir
dann *so* viel besser als die amtlichen Daten, dass sie unsere
zusaetzlichen Restriktionen in Kauf nehmen? Wird die Community dann
eventuell mit einem Lizenzwechsel zu einer weniger einschraenkenden
Lizenz reagieren wollen?

Das sind Dinge, die wir heute nicht entscheiden koennen und wollen.
Wenn das Projekt so weiter waechst wie bisher, dann sind wir, die wir
bis heute Daten zu OSM beigetragen haben, in 10 Jahren eine
unbedeutende Minderheit in OSM. Es waere nicht richtig, unseren Willen
den OSMern von morgen in Stein zu meisseln.

 In Zukunft könnten also die OSM-Daten in
 Closed Source-Projekten verwendet werden?

Ja, das ist ja heute mit der CC-BY-SA schon moeglich (eine
closed-source-Routing-Engine im Web kann CC-BY-SA-Daten verwenden, und
lediglich die einzelnen geplotteten Routen muessen u.U. unter CC-BY-SA
freigegeben werden, nicht die fuers Routing aufbereiteten Daten oder
gar der Source), und unter der OdbL ebenfalls (da ist z.B. die
Herstellung von gedruckten Karten unter proprietaeren Lizenzen
moeglich).

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-de] WIWOSM-Projekt ist live

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Kai Krueger


Christian Müller wrote
 
 Am 21.03.2012 21:05, schrieb ThomasB:
 Einfach mal so, ohne jemand etwas zu
 sagen das Tagging Schema bei OSM zu ändern, geht nicht. 
 
 +1.  Dennoch, das bedeutet auch, dass man sich mit Vorschlägen auf der
 Liste im Detail befasst.  Ich sehe da eine gewisse Müdigkeit.
 
Also die Variante wurde unter Anderem bereits im Januar 2010 auf talk-de
diskutiert z.B. (
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2010-January/062176.html )
und auch im wiki Eintrag zu dem Wikipedia key wurde diese bereits im Januar
2010 eingetragen. Und wenn ich mich nicht falsch erinnere war damals der
Konsens des taggings wie es in WIWOSM verwendet wird.

Die Aenderung ist also weder neu, noch wurde sie nicht auf den Listen
diskutiert. Obendrein macht sie auch noch Sinn. Ich habe mir jetzt nicht die
ganze Versionsgeschichte des wiki Artikels durchgelesen um zu sehen wann die
Variante verloren gegangen ist, aber neu ist sie wie gesagt nicht.

Kai


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[Talk-de] Zeitplan für die Lizenzumstellung?

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden smarties

Hi,

wie lange wird denn die Umstellung der Lizenz eigentlich dauern? Alle reden 
immer nur von 1.4.

Eine Online-Zeitung hat letztens geschrieben das die Umstellung im Sommer 
fertig ist. Kann ich 3 Monate lang nicht mehr arbeiten? Wie lange soll ich nach 
dem 1.4. warten bis ich wieder neue Daten eingeben kann?

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Re: [Talk-it] Variante sp 299 prato e romagnano sesia

2012/3/20 giovanni di lorenzo giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com:
 Buonasera, 'viaggiando' in osm sembrerebbe che manchi la circonvallazione
 est di prato sesia e romagnano sesia ... eppure ricordo di averla percorsa
 circa un anno fa. E' aperta al traffico ? Oppure e' un problema di rendering
 sul telefonino ? Grazie

Non capisco se vuoi dire che prima c'era e ora è scomparsa oppure se
non c'è mai stata e vorresti che fosse mappata. Comunque confermo che
non è tra i dati attuali nel DB.

Ciao,

Andrea.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni ferroviarie]

2012/3/20 noperante nopera...@yahoo.it:
 Tu come nuovo utente pensi di fare giusto, ogni volta che becco una zona con
 un utente nuovo c'ho la mia mail precompilata scritta cordialmente
 dicendogli di andare a vedere il tutorial in italiano per evitare di
 commettere troppi errori, in genere mi rispondono anche loro cordialmente e
 gli errori di decimano.

Puoi condividerla? Anche oggi ho trovato il mio newbie pasticcione
quotidiano e mi piacerebbe usarla :)

Sarebbe bello che una mail del genere fosse spedita in automatico alla
registrazione.

Ciao,

Andrea.

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Re: [Talk-it] Variante sp 299 prato e romagnano sesia

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden giovanni di lorenzo

Buongiorno, non vi e' mai stata. Mi piacerebbe mappare, solo che la
procedura e' complessa e alfine di evitare errori, come si legge nella
talk, preferisco non farlo. Volevo fare una domanda: perche' con locus su
android non riesco a usare il livello max di zoom ? Grazie

Il giorno 21/mar/2012 09:33, Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

2012/3/20 giovanni di lorenzo giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com:

 Buonasera, 'viaggiando' in osm sembrerebbe che manchi la circonvallazione
 est di prato sesia e r...
Non capisco se vuoi dire che prima c'era e ora è scomparsa oppure se
non c'è mai stata e vorresti che fosse mappata. Comunque confermo che
non è tra i dati attuali nel DB.

Ciao,

Andrea.

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[Talk-it] R: Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni ferroviarie]

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Alech OSM

Sarebbe bello se ci fosse la possibilità di scegliere di ricevere una email
automatica quando qualcuno cancella/corregge qualcosa creato da te...

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Andrea Musuruane [mailto:musur...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: mercoledì 21 marzo 2012 10.44
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni
ferroviarie]

2012/3/20 noperante nopera...@yahoo.it:
 Tu come nuovo utente pensi di fare giusto, ogni volta che becco una 
 zona con un utente nuovo c'ho la mia mail precompilata scritta 
 cordialmente dicendogli di andare a vedere il tutorial in italiano per 
 evitare di commettere troppi errori, in genere mi rispondono anche 
 loro cordialmente e gli errori di decimano.

Puoi condividerla? Anche oggi ho trovato il mio newbie pasticcione
quotidiano e mi piacerebbe usarla :)

Sarebbe bello che una mail del genere fosse spedita in automatico alla
registrazione.

Ciao,

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2012/3/21 giovanni di lorenzo giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com

 Buongiorno, non vi e' mai stata. Mi piacerebbe mappare, solo che la
 procedura e' complessa e alfine di evitare errori, come si legge nella
 talk, preferisco non farlo. Volevo fare una domanda: perche' con locus su
 android non riesco a usare il livello max di zoom ? Grazie


Per Android non so aiutarti.

Per mappare, invece, il fatto che tu abbia delle remore è un ottimo indizio
che vuoi fare bene le cose. Quindi prova a mapparla tu e, una volta fatta,
scrivi qui in mailing list, così ti aiutiamo :)

In genere tutti i collaboratori di OpenStreetMap usano JOSM per ricalcare
le tracce registrate con un GPS:
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/

L'editor online Potlatch infatti è troppo limitato: è usato principalmente
per fare piccole modifiche. JOSM ha molte funzionalità e migliora versione
dopo versione.

Ti consiglio inoltre di usare le ortofoto PCN. Sono delle immagini aeree
del territorio, sono allineate in modo molto preciso e permettono di
aumentare l'affidabilità e la precisione delle strade che rilevi. Qui trovi
le istruzioni su come configurare e usare le ortofoto PCN:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Italy/PCN

Dopo che l'hai configurato in JOSM il supporto alle ortofoto del PCN, prova
a riallineare le tracce che hai già inserito.

Sul wiki trovi tutte le informazioni su come si mappa a partire dagli
attributi (tag) da dare a seconda delle caratteristiche di cosa si vuole
rilevare. La pagina da cui partire è questa:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Map_Features

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:tracktype

Le informazioni sulla classificazione delle strade le puoi trovare qui:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:highway

Ciao,

Andrea.
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2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden sabas88

Il giorno 21/mar/2012 11:00, giovanni di lorenzo 
giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 Buongiorno, non vi e' mai stata. Mi piacerebbe mappare, solo che la
procedura e' complessa e alfine di evitare errori, come si legge nella
talk, preferisco non farlo.

Mica vero! E' facile! Traccia le strade e tutto quello che vuoi, l'unica
cosa un po' piu concettuosa é la relazione, ma puoi chiedere di nuovo aiuto!

 Volevo fare una domanda: perche' con locus su android non riesco a usare
il livello max di zoom ? Grazie

Cosa usa le tiles scaricate? Magari hanno messo qualche limite per non
scaricare troppo e farsi bannare..
Se ti serve, ti consiglio osmand :)


 Il giorno 21/mar/2012 09:33, Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com ha
scritto:


 2012/3/20 giovanni di lorenzo giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com:

  Buonasera, 'viaggiando' in osm sembrerebbe che manchi la
circonvallazione
  est di prato sesia e r...

 Non capisco se vuoi dire che prima c'era e ora è scomparsa oppure se
 non c'è mai stata e vorresti che fosse mappata. Comunque confermo che
 non è tra i dati attuali nel DB.

 Ciao,

 Andrea.

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Re: [Talk-it] Variante sp 299 prato e romagnano sesia

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Luca Delucchi

Il 21 marzo 2012 11:00, giovanni di lorenzo
giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Buongiorno, non vi e' mai stata. Mi piacerebbe mappare, solo che la
 procedura e' complessa e alfine di evitare errori, come si legge nella talk,
 preferisco non farlo. Volevo fare una domanda: perche' con locus su android
 non riesco a usare il livello max di zoom ? Grazie

incomincia e dicci cosa hai fatto, in modo che gli utenti possano
controllare e darti suggerimenti.

-- 
ciao
Luca

http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/
www.lucadelu.org

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Re: [Talk-it] Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni ferroviarie]


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Ciao ho vsito che sei un nuovo utente, ho notato che stai usando 
l'editor online potlatch 2 nella zona di XXX.


Ti consiglio di vedere questo video tutorial
http://www.universalsubtitles.org/it/videos/k2bPK2cc57iE/it/122390/
questo è un video tutorial per aiutarti a commettere meno errori possibili.

Errore tipico dell'editor pothland è il fatto che le strade non sono 
collegate alle altre e quindi il sistema di autorouting non 
funzionerebbe a dovere.


Visto il lavoro che hai fatto, e che si può migliorare ancora, ti 
consiglio di usare il programma JOSM molto più preciso e migliore di un 
editor online




---
è da più di un anno che la uso.
Circa la metà delle volte(sono ottimista :-)) l'utente mi risponde 
rigraziandomi e facendo più attenzione.
L'altra metà delle volte l'utente magari guarda il filmato, se ne sbatte 
altamente e continua a fare casini, in questi casi ho imparato a farmi 
io stesso i fattacci miei, riparare e ogni tanto disturbarlo 
chiedendogli informazioni della zona(errori) che non posso assolutamente 
conoscere dai qui.


Poi seguendo giornalmente osm inspector, se magicamente da oggi al 
domani una zona priva di errori divente tutta rossa, è un nuovo utente 
che sta facendo un sacco di inserimenti, se lo becchi in tempo è una 
manna dal cielo


Il -10/01/-28163 20:59, Andrea Musuruane ha scritto:

2012/3/20 noperantenopera...@yahoo.it:

Tu come nuovo utente pensi di fare giusto, ogni volta che becco una zona con
un utente nuovo c'ho la mia mail precompilata scritta cordialmente
dicendogli di andare a vedere il tutorial in italiano per evitare di
commettere troppi errori, in genere mi rispondono anche loro cordialmente e
gli errori di decimano.

Puoi condividerla? Anche oggi ho trovato il mio newbie pasticcione
quotidiano e mi piacerebbe usarla :)

Sarebbe bello che una mail del genere fosse spedita in automatico alla
registrazione.

Ciao,

Andrea.




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Re: [Talk-it] R: Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni ferroviarie]

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Volker Schmidt

On 21 March 2012 11:01, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sarebbe bello se ci fosse la possibilità di scegliere di ricevere una email
 automatica quando qualcuno cancella/corregge qualcosa creato da te...


Quello che chiedi, è la versione generalizzata del relation monitor, l'idea
che avevo menzionato la prima volta al OSMIT2011, ma che fino ad ora
nessuno ha prodotto (purtroppo da anni non sono più programmatore attivo e
dipendo da altri). Il relation monitor dovrebbe fare quello che hai
descritto per le relazioni.

Volker
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[Talk-it] Spezzare un'area

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden emmexx

Dovrei spezzare un'area rettangolare in 2 o piu' parti perche' non sono
mai stati inseriti dei brevi tratti di collegamento tra un viale ed il
suo controviale.
C'e' un modo automatico per farlo (in potlatch)?
C'e' un modo consigliato per farlo? Ovvero meglio cancellare l'area
esistente e disegnarne di nuove o spezzare quella esistente e sistemare?
Altre accortezze per evitare pasticci?

Per la cronaca l'area e' questa:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/115330517

grazie
maxx

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2012/3/21 noperante nopera...@yahoo.it
[...]
 è da più di un anno che la uso.
 Circa la metà delle volte(sono ottimista :-)) l'utente mi risponde
 rigraziandomi e facendo più attenzione.
 L'altra metà delle volte l'utente magari guarda il filmato, se ne sbatte
 altamente e continua a fare casini, in questi casi ho imparato a farmi io
 stesso i fattacci miei, riparare e ogni tanto disturbarlo chiedendogli
 informazioni della zona(errori) che non posso assolutamente conoscere dai
 qui.

Grazie. Ho fatto un merge con quella che usavo io. Ecco il risultato.

Ciao,

Andrea.


---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---8---


Ciao,
ho visto che hai iniziato a mappare alcune zone attorno a XX. Ti
ringrazio per l'interesse che stai dimostrando e spero che sia
l'inizio di una lunga collaborazione con il progetto OpenStreetMap.

Ho notato che stai usando l'editor online Potlatch 2. Ti consiglio di
vedere questo video tutorial che insegna come inserire correttamente
le strade:
http://www.universalsubtitles.org/it/videos/k2bPK2cc57iE/it/122390/

Infatti, un errore tipico nell'uso di Potlatch è quello di inserire
strade non sono collegate tra di loro ma che terminano in prossimità
di un'altra. Questo è un grosso problema e comporta che i software di
navigazione non ti faranno mai percorrere queste strade perché
scollegate dal resto della rete.

Inoltre, ti consiglio di usare l'editor JOSM:
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/

L'editor online Potlatch infatti è troppo limitato: è usato
principalmente per fare piccole modifiche. JOSM ha molte funzionalità
e migliora versione dopo versione.

Cerca sempre di usare sempre le ortofoto PCN. Sono delle immagini
aeree del territorio, sono allineate in modo molto preciso e
permettono di aumentare l'affidabilità e la precisione delle strade
che rilevi utilizzando un ricevitore GPS. Qui trovi le istruzioni su
come configurare e usare le ortofoto PCN:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Italy/PCN

Dopo che l'hai configurato in JOSM il supporto alle ortofoto del PCN,
prova a riallineare le tracce che hai già inserito.

Sul wiki trovi tutte le informazioni su come si mappa a partire dagli
attributi (tag) da dare a seconda delle caratteristiche di cosa si
vuole rilevare. La pagina da cui partire è questa:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Map_Features

Altre informazioni sulla classificazione delle strade le puoi trovare qui:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:highway

Ti consiglio, se non l'hai già fatto, di iscriverti alla lista di
discussione di OpenStreetMap in italiano e a quella specifica sul
Piemonte:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-piemonte

Ci sono molti mapper esperti che portranno aiutarti a risolvere i tuoi dubbi.

Ciao,

Andrea.

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Il -10/01/-28163 20:59, Alech OSM ha scritto:

Sarebbe bello che una mail del genere fosse spedita in automatico alla
registrazione.

Ciao,

Andrea.

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Bastano 4 regole,
1) ogni strada è connessa alle altre, _se usi potlatch si fa così xxx_, 
_con josm xxx_, _con altro editor xxx_ (dove xxx per rendere più corta 
la mail sono collegamenti esterni)
2) quando il percorso che crei si intrinseca con uno già esistente, devi 
mettere un _nodo di congiunzione_
3) crea una via per volta, altrimenti potresti creare un percorso che si 
_auto intrinseca

_4) controlla la pagina _map feature_ per scegliere il tag più adeguato


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Re: [Talk-it] Variante sp 299 prato e romagnano sesia

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden giovanni di lorenzo

Buongiorno, grazie a tutti per i preziosi consigli. Studiero' quanto
segnalato e prima o poi iniziero' con cose semplici. Si in effetti locus
free fa molta pubblicita' e quindi forse hanno limitato l accesso. Sarebbe
bello poter scaricare dal sito un unico documento pdf, un vero e proprio
manuale delle procedure che consenta un apprendimento sin dall inizio,
quindi un manuale per neofiti. Grazie a tutti e forza osm.

Il giorno 21/mar/2012 12:06, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

Il 21 marzo 2012 11:00, giovanni di lorenzo
giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 Buongiorno, non vi e' mai stata. Mi piacerebbe mappare, solo che la
 procedura e' complessa e alf...
incomincia e dicci cosa hai fatto, in modo che gli utenti possano
controllare e darti suggerimenti.

--
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Luca

http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/
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Re: [Talk-it] Variante sp 299 prato e romagnano sesia

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Fabrizio Tambussa

Il 21 marzo 2012 13:12, giovanni di lorenzo
giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Sarebbe
 bello poter scaricare dal sito un unico documento pdf, un vero e proprio
 manuale delle procedure che consenta un apprendimento sin dall inizio,
 quindi un manuale per neofiti. Grazie a tutti e forza osm.

Ma per questo c'e' un PDF o la versione on-line di:
http://learnosm.org
che ti spiega tutto in italiano.
Puoi scaricare il PDF o cliccare sulla bandierina italiana e poi sul
menu' OpenStreetMap per Principianti.
Saluti

Fabrizio

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Re: [Talk-it] R: Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni ferroviarie]

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Simone Saviolo

Il 21 marzo 2012 12:54, noperante nopera...@yahoo.it ha scritto:
 Bastano 4 regole,
 1) ogni strada è connessa alle altre, se usi potlatch si fa così xxx, con
 josm xxx, con altro editor xxx (dove xxx per rendere più corta la mail sono
 collegamenti esterni)
 2) quando il percorso che crei si intrinseca con uno già esistente, devi
 mettere un nodo di congiunzione
 3) crea una via per volta, altrimenti potresti creare un percorso che si
 auto intrinseca
 4) controlla la pagina map feature per scegliere il tag più adeguato

Perdona: interseca :-)

Ciao,

Simone

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2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Groppo O

Il 21 marzo 2012 13:25, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Il 21 marzo 2012 12:54, noperante nopera...@yahoo.it ha scritto:
 Bastano 4 regole,
 1) ogni strada è connessa alle altre, se usi potlatch si fa così xxx, con
 josm xxx, con altro editor xxx (dove xxx per rendere più corta la mail sono
 collegamenti esterni)...

Se può essere utile, (lo avevo già scritto in lista tempo fa), per
segnalare ai nuovi mappers errori di strade non connesse e come usare
OSM Inspector io usavo questa pagina:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Strade_non_connesse


Ciao,
Groppo

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2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden giovanni di lorenzo

Buongiorno, grazie. Scarichero' il pdf e lo stampero' su carta. Cosi potro'
studiare sul treno che prendo da milano. Grazie. Purtroppo i computer dell
ufficio sono bloccati. Grazie a tutti, mi sento in una famiglia, grazie

Il giorno 21/mar/2012 13:21, Fabrizio Tambussa ftambu...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

Il 21 marzo 2012 13:12, giovanni di lorenzo
giovannidilorenzo1...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 Sarebbe
 bello poter scaricare dal sito un unico documento pdf, un vero e proprio
 manuale delle...
Ma per questo c'e' un PDF o la versione on-line di:
http://learnosm.org
che ti spiega tutto in italiano.
Puoi scaricare il PDF o cliccare sulla bandierina italiana e poi sul
menu' OpenStreetMap per Principianti.
Saluti

Fabrizio


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Re: [Talk-it] R: Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni ferroviarie]

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Sky One

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:01, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sarebbe bello se ci fosse la possibilità di scegliere di ricevere una email
 automatica quando qualcuno cancella/corregge qualcosa creato da te...

Io tengo d'occhio le zone in cui vivo/mappo con OWL[1] via feed RSS:
non è immediato come una mail, ma degli errori commessi dai niubbi
me li ha fatti scoprire.

HTH

[1]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List)
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Cià
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Home: http://www.skyone.it (itinerari in moto e non solo)
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Re: [Talk-it] Spezzare un'area

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Federico Cozzi

2012/3/21 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it:
 C'e' un modo consigliato per farlo? Ovvero meglio cancellare l'area
 esistente e disegnarne di nuove o spezzare quella esistente e sistemare?
 Altre accortezze per evitare pasticci?
 Per la cronaca l'area e' questa:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/115330517

Con JOSM aggiungi 4 nodi alla way perimetrale all'altezza di dove vuoi
segare l'area (4 nodi e non 2, perché tu vuoi tagliare l'area in 2
aree senza alcun lato in comune), poi li selezioni e premi P. Ti trovi
4 segmenti; cancelli i due corti, quindi congiungi a due a due i 4
moncherini.
In questo modo conservi i tag, le eventuali relazioni e la storia.

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[Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden sabas88

Questa email riesuma quel discorso di un paio di mesi fa.
Come si era risolta la situazione a venezia?
Stefano

-- Forwarded message --
From: Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com
Date: 2012/3/21
Subject: [OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.
To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org

Mappers in these towns treat ways in old parts of their town as something
that can't be a footpath. For some reason it insults their vision of those
ways. That's why they tag them as pedestrian highways although no cars ever
went through them (well, maybe some small delivery vehicles). Another
reason is that the names of those ways have street in their name, and so
a mapper thinks a footpath cannot be a street. Some examples of towns and
photos of ways that are tagged as pedestrian highways:

Venice: map http://osm.org/go/0IDhdnwp -
photohttp://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/28533234.jpg
San Giminagno: map http://osm.org/go/xXvzjCybS--
photohttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/4995821062_6b0204a1fe.jpg
Split: map http://osm.org/go/xdveAYOup-- -
photohttp://www.njuskalo.hr/image-w450/nekretnine/poslovni-prostor-split-centar-dioklecijanova-palaca-slika-1030138.jpg
Budva: map http://osm.org/go/xfIsIyMSI-- -
photohttp://shrani.si/f/3d/fD/38wbAo6l/budva-ulice.jpg
Dubrovnik: map http://osm.org/go/xfDsEN8zg-- -
photohttp://www.hrvatskainfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dubrovnik_ulica.jpg
Valencia: map http://osm.org/go/b_qOmjQ5-- -
photohttp://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/56711091.jpg

First question is, do you agree that these streets are footpaths, or only
some, or do they really fit the definition of a pedestrian highway? Maybe
we should invent a new tag?

If you think those are footpaths, should we forcefully change them or is
there a better tactic?

Have you had discussions about this topic, what was the conclusion?

Thanks,

Janko Mihelić

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[Talk-it] Allagamenti in laguna

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto

Non so se qualcuno se n'era già accorto, ma sembra che su mapnik sua
l'isola delle Vignole che parte di Lio Piccolo risultano essere
completamente allagati

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4743lon=12.4662zoom=13layers=M

Qualcuno ha la possibilità di dare un occhiata?


Ciao ciao

Luca
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Re: [Talk-it] Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni ferroviarie]

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Elena ``of Valhalla''

On 2012-03-20 at 21:44:18 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote:
 Basandomi sulla mia propria esperienza di neofita, quello che manca a OSM
 in tanti posti è una organizzazione al livello territoriale. Tipo eventi
 locali, incontri informali o formali.

per la verita` da noi e` poco pubblicizzato, ma ci sono 
osmisti sia nel LUG di como che nell'hacklab di varese, per 
cui in pratica ci sono incontri informali ogni settimana 
(anche se non sempre si parla di osm, in effetti)

sospetto che provando a contattare il LUG locale ci sia possibilita` 
di trovare qualche altro mappatore (e magari decidere di organizzare 
degli incontri indipendenti)

poi una volta si facevano i mapping party, son passati di moda?

-- 
Elena ``of Valhalla''

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.

Se ben ricordo non c'era consenso. Io dicevo che secondo me la
differenza la faceva l'ampiezza della strada. Quindi, per esempio, la
prima foto di Venezia per me  è una pedestrian; quella di san
giminiano invece potrebbe essere una footway.

Ciao,

Andrea.


On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:14 PM, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com wrote:
 Questa email riesuma quel discorso di un paio di mesi fa.
 Come si era risolta la situazione a venezia?
 Stefano

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com
 Date: 2012/3/21
 Subject: [OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.
 To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org


 Mappers in these towns treat ways in old parts of their town as something
 that can't be a footpath. For some reason it insults their vision of those
 ways. That's why they tag them as pedestrian highways although no cars ever
 went through them (well, maybe some small delivery vehicles). Another reason
 is that the names of those ways have street in their name, and so a mapper
 thinks a footpath cannot be a street. Some examples of towns and photos of
 ways that are tagged as pedestrian highways:

 Venice: map - photo
 San Giminagno: map - photo
 Split: map - photo
 Budva: map - photo
 Dubrovnik: map - photo
 Valencia: map - photo

 First question is, do you agree that these streets are footpaths, or only
 some, or do they really fit the definition of a pedestrian highway? Maybe we
 should invent a new tag?

 If you think those are footpaths, should we forcefully change them or is
 there a better tactic?

 Have you had discussions about this topic, what was the conclusion?

 Thanks,

 Janko Mihelić

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Re: [Talk-it] Allagamenti in laguna

2012-03-21 Diskussionsfäden Paolo Monegato


Il 21/03/2012 18:47, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto ha scritto:

Non so se qualcuno se n'era già accorto, ma sembra che su mapnik sua
l'isola delle Vignole che parte di Lio Piccolo risultano essere
completamente allagati

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4743lon=12.4662zoom=13layers=M

Qualcuno ha la possibilità di dare un occhiata?


La settimana scorsa c'era stata una segnalazione analoga in lista [1] 
(riguardava Murano), però non mi sembrava in quel caso che ci fossero 
problemi (aveva semplicemente un colore strano perché qualcuno aveva 
aggiunti un landuse). Qui invece mi pare sia piuttosto evidente il 
problema: sarà la solita storia del verso della coastline.

Ciao
Paolo M

[1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2012-March/027547.html

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Re: [Talk-it] Spezzare un'area


ho trovato questa soluzione
1 aggiungi i nodi dove vuoi che finisca il verde, Shift+click e si 
aggiungono

2 con la forbice tagli i quattro o più nodi
cancelli la parte in più così da non confonderti
3 collega con un percorso i due lati del rettangolo che stai creando
se per caso non riappare il verde di sfondo, Control+click su entrambi i 
percorsi e premi la catena


ho imparato adesso a farlo, spero che ci sia una procedura più semplice, 
ah stai attento a non far collegare i punti agli altri percorsi circostanti


Il -10/01/-28163 20:59, emmexx ha scritto:

Dovrei spezzare un'area rettangolare in 2 o piu' parti perche' non sono
mai stati inseriti dei brevi tratti di collegamento tra un viale ed il
suo controviale.
C'e' un modo automatico per farlo (in potlatch)?
C'e' un modo consigliato per farlo? Ovvero meglio cancellare l'area
esistente e disegnarne di nuove o spezzare quella esistente e sistemare?
Altre accortezze per evitare pasticci?

Per la cronaca l'area e' questa:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/115330517

grazie
maxx





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