Re: [talk-au] Mapping surf breaks
On Thursday, 25 August 2022 15:44:30 AEST Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Earlier I mentioned about the Kirra Superbank that only occurs a "few" > times per year. While the rest of the year is perfectly acceptable, those > few times are exceptional! (Think rides over 1 km long! :-)) I am definitely no surfer, but what about tidal bores? Apparently Australia has some: https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/tim-the-yowie-man/ 2020/01/surfing-the-mysterious-tidal-bores-of-australia/ -- Simon Slater signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Lifeguards & "Swim Between the Flags"
On Wednesday, 20 October 2021 9:54:22 AM AEDT Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > A little while back, I put the emergency=lifeguard proposal through, > together with lifeguard=yes to describe those times when there is a > lifeguard/s on the beach, but they may not be in a fixed location. > > Or do we just not worry about it, & work on the idea that =yes is > sufficient? > When I were a lad, we were taught to always look for the flags when going to any beach to swim, teaching personal responsibility and obey the flags because the lifesavers know that beach better. Therefore, actual flag positions need to be known as variable. However, tagging a beach that does have a SLSC is good because those unfamiliar with the area, tourists say, or families with young children, can then preferentially choose such beaches. Similarly, the more adventurous, or those desiring solitude, can preferentially choose alternate locations. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging yellow buoys
On Thursday, 30 September 2021 1:06:31 PM AEST Ben Kelley wrote: > where the oysters grow Oyster leases. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Trouble with routing through an intersection
On Thursday, 2 September 2021 4:03:16 PM AEST Michael James wrote: > It's possible your change just hasn't made it's way to the routing engines > yet. > Tried again this morning in OSM and still the same. > The only issue with the intersection is I would not have that single segment > between the highway and the 2 slip lanes, just connect the slip lanes > directly to the highway. This shouldn't stop a routing engine finding a > path. Yes, I thought that short stretch seemed odd. I'll delete that then and join each side of the traffic island directly to the Calder Hwy. With this method, will I need to do anything to not disturb Route C274 which uses that segment? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Trouble with routing through an intersection
G'day all, This morning I created a route from Serpentine to Castlemaine and at one intersection the route would backtrack. Located a way at the intersection with one-way set incorrectly ( I travel through this intersection often) and made this change https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/110588330 but now, a few hours later the routing is still wrong: https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions? engine=fossgis_osrm_car=-36.59894%2C143.93811%3B-36.59984%2C143.93824 Can anyone see what is wrong at this intersection in the changeset? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping driveways under awnings.
On Wednesday, 11 August 2021 7:27:40 PM AEST Michael Collinson wrote: > Simon, > > Without knowing the nature of the challenge, I assume the apparent > anomaly is a road apparently bulldozing through a building. > Yes the challenge is for road/building intersections. > Me, I'd either leave it as it is or to be squeaky clean (if I know from > on-the-ground) I'd map the two sticky out bits as building=roof. I don't > know if there is any consensus on whether a simple canvas awning counts > as a "roof" or a temporary accoutrement not worthy of mapping at all - > others may comment. > In this case they are just overhangs to keep the sun off while collecting/ waiting for an order. However, across the road, that shop splits its driveway with part under an awning and another which does go right through the building, yet neither are mapped in OSM. Picking up on a recent thread on service roads, I wonder how the specific way tags affect the challenge. I will look to see if they are tagged as road or driveway etc. > This could also be an opportunity to introduce simple 3d buildings. Here > leave the building as is but within it draw 3 building part areas: > building:part=roof, building:part=roof, building:part=yes > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:part > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_Buildings > > Here is what Swan Hill currently looks like: > https://demo.f4map.com/#lat=-35.3427895=143.5619395=18 > >From this map there are a few other similar instances that stand out. One is a service station awning that shows correctly as an awning and across the road a motel whose driveway stops at their office awning, not continuing through to their carpark. In that same block is another major food outlet with no driveways or parking shown on OSM. Actually, there is a block 2 down from us which has 4 shops with drive-under awnings, yet none are in OSM. More work to do. > Mike > > On 2021-08-11 08:23, Simon Slater wrote: > > G'day all, > > > > From a Maproulette challenge ( https://maproulette.org/browse/ > > > > challenges/19168 ) which had a couple of things in our area marked as VIC > > - > > BuildingRoadIntersectionCheck , one of which is a KFC drive-through with > > awnings, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-35.34316/143.56033 > > > > Is this something to leave as-is, or should a change be made to either the > > way or building or both? If a change is needed, what type? > > _______ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Mapping driveways under awnings.
G'day all, From a Maproulette challenge ( https://maproulette.org/browse/ challenges/19168 ) which had a couple of things in our area marked as VIC - BuildingRoadIntersectionCheck , one of which is a KFC drive-through with awnings, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-35.34316/143.56033 Is this something to leave as-is, or should a change be made to either the way or building or both? If a change is needed, what type? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging
On Thursday, 15 October 2020 6:23:36 PM AEDT John Bryant wrote: > This is part of a viticulture community-driven project to build consensus > around use & sharing of data, and part of the discussion is around data > ownership and openness. The project has the Australian Farm Data Code [1] > as one of its guiding principles, so it's definitely on the radar. I'm not > running the project myself, but helping to answer some of the questions > about open geospatial (hence this query!). For this level of detail, would a GIS be more useful, pulling roads etc. from OSM? Then other things useful to the viticulturist, such as soil type, slope, aspect, rainfall, irrigation and drainage (natural or artificial) even cadastre for individual blocks, could be layered in as needed and is as much, or as little, detail as required. GRASS or QGIS are readily available as FOSS if that is a requirement. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] topic A: the platform itself
On Friday, 20 September 2019 5:03:10 PM AEST David Wales wrote: > If the number of talk-au emails reaches overwhelming levels, it might be > necessary to investigate other solutions. However, I don't think we have > reached that point yet. In that case, a digest option is good. I get a list of posts, any 1 of which, or all, can be individually looked at as needed. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Ferry Routes mapping in NSW
On Thursday, 29 November 2018 3:07:19 PM AEDT Michael Collinson wrote: > The nodes on each side are not actually joined to the highway, just > overlapping. All good. Routing goes via the punt now. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Ferry Routes mapping in NSW
On Monday, 26 November 2018 11:43:27 AM AEDT Sigurjón Gísli Rúnarsson wrote: > I think so long as there's an active ferry route running between two > > > terminals then it should have a route=ferry[1] connecting them, roughly > > following the actual geometry the route normally takes. Where you have a > > ferry route that sometimes has a few variants, eg. sometimes skips a > > terminal, or sometimes goes to a different wharf, then that can be > > accounted for using the ferry route relation. > > > > As the wiki points out[1], this could be a simple way, or a route > > relation[2] I made changes to this ferry route https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/627090817 a while ago, but OSRM is still not routing traffic across the punt. Can anyone see what I missed? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Small culverts/bridges in bushland
On Wednesday, 30 May 2018 6:10:54 PM AEST Jonathon Rossi wrote: > use of mailing lists it is common people forget to reply all. I use "Reply to List" - easy as pressing L. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] MapRoulette Challenge for invalid phone numbers in Victoria.
On Friday, 8 September 2017 7:36:57 PM AEST Andrew Davidson wrote: > With that in mind I've created a MapRoulette Challenge > (http://maproulette.org/) that only covers the phone and fax numbers in > Victoria that can't be read to a valid number. The task is called > "Invalid phone/fax numbers in Victoria, Australia" and there are about > 94 items requiring checking. Should the phone numbers be on a node? Some are on buildings or areas. With MapRoulette, can all points be shown on the map at once, or is cycling through them with Skip the only option? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Phone numbers
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 9:26:41 PM AEST Warin wrote: > 1300, 1800 numbers are national only - no ISD access. Some of these have > a 'local' number for ISD access. > > I would assume these are not OSM compatible at this time? From: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ Key:phone#Support_for_multiple_countries Also some amenities have a local phone number which can only be used domestically not cannot be called internationally (notably for toll free phone numbers, or abbreviated phone numbers). For international calls, they publish another phone number. For example: phone:FR=0 800 123 456 for standard toll free call only from France where the amenity is (note that there's NO "+" sign, it is NOT in international format), ... so they could be included. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Phone numbers
On Thursday, 7 September 2017 7:57:26 AM AEST Warin wrote: > I have not come up wit a way to search for '+' > as that is a registered character. Can you escape with a \ ? ie phone!="^\+61 8 " -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TAGGING a 'club' to a suburb rather than its actual street address ot isolate risk of theft/abuse
On Thursday, 6 July 2017 4:48:50 PM AEST Gary Pope wrote: > In fact our first draft attempt was to include the phone and email, but we > soon realised that would just be a cause for spam to the email addresses, > and unsolicited phone calls to the owners. PLus, committees change every > year (or so), so there cannot be a 'contact' per se. Clubs often have a Public Officer. This title could be the contact "person", irrespective of the appointed person, with official PO box for mail and clubhouse phone for calling. If the OP is in personal contact with clubs about this and privacy is a concern, then a suggestion of answer-phone on at the clubhouse or cheap mobile gives a phone contact. Then the frequency of answering and other details on the message leave contactability totally to the club. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Advice on Tags in a Hamlet
On Monday, 16 January 2017 5:21:45 AM AEDT Marc Gemis wrote: > , the node should be > placed near the location where you want to be guided to when you > specify the hamlet without street name in a navigation system. I was wondering if routing would be affected. I've recently done a new system upgrade and re-installed JOSM today and brought back configs from backup. When JOSM is authenticating nicely, I'll make the changes. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Advice on Tags in a Hamlet
G'day all, We needed our daughter to pick something up from Lalbert and since she had never driven there herself, we looked up the map. However, Smith St did not appear, instead tagged as the Lalbert Kerang Rd, as here: https:// www.openstreetmap.org/way/80838220#map=17/-35.67595/143.37920 For the locals and for street numbers, it is Smith St, at least from the Swan Hill - Donald road to the rail tracks. How can I tag to reflect this, leaving the Lalbert - Kerang tag for the bigger picture? On a secondary note, the node for Lalbert is in the middle of empty land: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1774352212#map=16/-35.6726/143.3759 Should this be moved a bit more centrally, like near the cafe and garage on Main St? I have seen both these scenarios a few times in the hamlets around here. Apart from tidiness, would this also improve routing? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 @ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Is it ok to add data from the yellow pages to OSM?
On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 01:31:26 PM nwastra wrote: > Wow, we finally have a use for the unsolicited paper copy that gets dropped > at the front door each year :) Stuff a few in a box and they make good targets. Edge-on for archery or face- on for a 22. Also makes it easy to reclaim the lead for fishing sinkers, just let your fingers walk through the pages... -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New to open street maps, looking for advice to get started
On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:38:43 AM Daniel O'Connor wrote: > If you are going through the CBD; capturing building levels or building > height can be really neat > > Check out > http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=-34.9306077=138.5964838=16 > or > https://osmbuildings.org/?lat=-34.92743=138.5999=16=0 > =30 These projects are really cool! I like the working cranes opposite the Adelaide Oval on f4map. The Foodworks at Thebarton has a really tall tower? The beauty of 3D. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:06:40 PM Andrew Harvey wrote: > > 2/ Also a couple of 'Intersection of unrelated highway and waterway > > objects'. How to correct these? > > What editor are you using? JOSM > Can you point to where this is? Lost it - I'll find it later. > If a waterway and highway intersect it's good to specify what's exactly > happening, is the highway a bridge over the waterway, is the waterway > a culvert under the highway, is it a ford? > > > 3/ A couple of these too, 'Approximate highway primary discart from > > 35.5339969622m ' I have a GPS track for at least 1 of these at the moment. > > Can you point to where this is? http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/7056550205 , eastern end of http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/178369304 and Yanga Way. Our GPS has it out by 5m not 35m. There is a kink in the road there. > > > > 6/ What does this bug mean: 'Bad topology way level 2'? > > Can you point to where you see it? http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/7056543335 , where http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173383040 crosses Cadell St. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:52:26 AM Simon Slater wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:37:53 PM Andrew Harvey wrote: > > On 7 Jul 2016 7:21 PM, "Simon Slater" <pye...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > > G'day all, > > Since this is the first time I've done this, I've a couple of questions. A couple more things I'd like to check the most appropriate way to proceed before I make any changes: 1/ There are a few 'Bad value for sport=cricket,_australian_football' in the area. The use of the pitch is correct, is the syntax of the tag value wrong? 2/ Also a couple of 'Intersection of unrelated highway and waterway objects'. How to correct these? 3/ A couple of these too, 'Approximate highway primary discart from 35.5339969622m ' I have a GPS track for at least 1 of these at the moment. 4/ 'Unconnected waterway or wrong way flow'. Does flow follow the direction a way is created? This one looks like it is connected downstream http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/385773228 5/ This one, http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173375239 is a lead-up to an old historic lift bridge and is flagged 'Highway above ground and no bridge'. What tag is needed for this? Or should the bridge part be extended? There are a series of these old bridges in this area, so I'll check the others too. What tags for historic bridges? 6/ What does this bug mean: 'Bad topology way level 2'? 7/ Last one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/262225 is in the right spot for the 90 to 100 kph change, but it is in the middle of the way. No doubt there are more like this in the area. Do I split the way at this point and tag each section with the different speeds? If so, what about each time the councils move the signs into different spots? Then when fixed, any comment in the note, or just 'Resolve'? Any particular Wiki pages useful for these? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:37:53 PM Andrew Harvey wrote: > On 7 Jul 2016 7:21 PM, "Simon Slater" <pye...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > G'day all, > > > > While waiting in the Balranald Bakery yesterday I thought I'd > > install > > > OSMBugs and OSMTracker and see what needed doing in the area. Since this > > is > > > the first time I've done this, I've a couple of questions. > > > > 1/ POI without name: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1950504127 > > has a > > > brand=Caltex tag. To fix this one, which is better: change brand of > > Caltex to > > > operator or add operator=Caltex, leaving the brand tag? Or is the > > operator > > > the proprietor and use the tag name= instead? Locals just call it 'the > > servo'. The other Caltex is 'the roadhouse' > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/206203789 > > I wouldn't remove the brand=Caltex because that is the branding of the > service station right? If it's operated by Caltex you can add that tag too. > It's common to see three tags brand, operator, and name all equal to Caltex. > > Though for name you might also see things like "Caltex [Suburb]" > > > 2/ Fixme tagged item https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043858 is > > in the > > > right place by GPS and the other tags are correct. Do I just delete the > > fixme > > > tag? This would also apply for a couple of others. > > Yes,if you've validated the thing the fixme tag was added for you can just > delete the tag. > > > 3/ With the correction needed for: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043885 to extend the divided road, > > is it > > > better to delete the single section, then add the divided section as 2 > > ways > > > down to Bank St, or move the single section to one side and add a parallel > > way? > > I prefer to move the single section and add another way parallel, because > it retains the history of the way, but both approaches are valid. Thanks Andrew, I'll get onto that today. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.
G'day all, While waiting in the Balranald Bakery yesterday I thought I'd install OSMBugs and OSMTracker and see what needed doing in the area. Since this is the first time I've done this, I've a couple of questions. 1/ POI without name: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1950504127 has a brand=Caltex tag. To fix this one, which is better: change brand of Caltex to operator or add operator=Caltex, leaving the brand tag? Or is the operator the proprietor and use the tag name= instead? Locals just call it 'the servo'. The other Caltex is 'the roadhouse' https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/206203789 2/ Fixme tagged item https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043858 is in the right place by GPS and the other tags are correct. Do I just delete the fixme tag? This would also apply for a couple of others. 3/ With the correction needed for: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043885 to extend the divided road, is it better to delete the single section, then add the divided section as 2 ways down to Bank St, or move the single section to one side and add a parallel way? I suppose I'm just looking for the most efficient and consistent way of doing things. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] place town subject and Download
On Sat, 14 May 2016 05:34:46 PM Marc Gemis wrote: > with this query, you immediately have a CSV file as output. Thanks, I'll have a play with this today. I have JOSM installed, but have only had a cursory glance at it yet. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] place=? and oldie but a goodie.
On Fri, 13 May 2016 07:11:39 PM Warin wrote: 2 things: First, I may have mussed up the threading here but the subject of Warin's last thread looked like "ￜￜￜￜ...". My e-mail client has been playing silly-buggers lately, so was this the intended subject or just my client? > I have gotten some 1,400 'towns from the OSM data base .. Second, how does one extract data like this from the OSM database? Is there a wikipage or other guide? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 107, Issue 4
On Thu, 5 May 2016 09:50:58 AM Timothy Ney wrote: > If for example, we demote all of the "towns" between Rockhampton > and Mackay to Hamlets or Villages, we are going to have 300 km of highway > with nothing shown at higher levels. At present, each of the small towns > (may have 1 pub, some services, a shop and a few houses), are labelled as > towns, and appear nicely if you zoom to a level where you can see Mackay > and Rockhampton on the same map. These "towns" indicate to drivers where > they are likely to find at least some services easily. It is difficult, > unless you know the areas, to zoom in on a particular area to locate a > "village" or "hamlet" on a 300km piece of highway, where the "towns: are > 30-40km apart. Combining this thought with railway services, rather than an absolute structure for applying tags, what about a relative one? That is, the concept of hamlet vs village vs town is according to importance, which, historically was population, church etc. Today, a group of buildings with a service station ( and known opening hours) is more important on a main / major highway, than the same size grouping without vehicular services. Similarly, places on a railway line where passenger services stop is considered more important (profitable) by the railways than those in-between, even if the populations are the same. I suppose this could be extended to places with an aerodrome with sealed and or longer runway(s) being more important than those with un-sealed strips. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] place=? An oldie but no past conclusion.
On Thu, 5 May 2016 10:10:35 AM Ian Sergeant wrote: > 1. Any attempt to make something render on sparse parts of the map, is > a rendering issue. Any renderer is free to pre-process the data based > on a population and remoteness algorithm if they wish. > > 2. Personally, I make anything a town if it has services. If it has a > pub, a take-away, a supermarket, a post-office, and a fuel station, > then it's a town. I save hamlet for a population grouping without any > services, and a locality for a place where there is essentially no > population clustering. This is a natural skew towards remoter > destinations becoming towns, because they are service towns for > surrounding areas, rather than necessarily having large populations > themselves. Post offices may be a good guide. 25 years ago there were at least 4 post offices between here (Swan Hill) and Kerang. Now there is only one at Lake Boga, but all the other post codes are still in place, mail routing through either Kerang or Swan Hill. The other places, Lake Charm, Mystic Park and Tresco, have a small group of houses, Lk Charm has a shop and caravan park, Mystic has a pub. The passenger train doesn't stop at any of these stations anymore either, only the grain trains. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] place=? An oldie but no past conclusion.
On Wed, 4 May 2016 05:58:27 PM Alex Sims wrote: > The other point I’d make (as I did some time ago) is that the labels are > “British English” labels and form a hierarchy where the names make sense in > the UK but shouldn’t be taken as a slight against any area. They are merely > a series of words that define the level of population centre. Looking at the end of this post: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2008-December/001089.html made me think of our own experience with small towns. In 1988 we moved to Kerang, Vic which had a population of 5,500, 5 pubs, 1 small supermarket, 1 large supermarket with bottleshop, 8 churches and little industry. However, Kerang supported a regional farming population of 20,000. When we moved 50 miles up the road 10 years later, the population was 4,500. 10 years later 1 pub burned down, 5 years later so did another. Now the population is below 4000 I think, but the regional population serviced is still about the same and there is more industry in the town. I assume computerization and mechanization means the increase in industry without population increase. Also with amalgamation of farms, many houses are now available for those who work in town, so these would not be counted in the town stats. My thought was to look at the amenities etc listed for a place within OSM itself for use as a guide to classification. Would this be a purely subjective process ie looking at the map, or can this type of data be easily queried from the database for a more objective approach? In the latter case, weights could be applied to different amenities, combination with other sources eg remoteness index, etc ... The caveat here is that the more amenities mapped correlate with activity / interest in that location. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Routing instructions
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:17:04 PM m.james wrote: > If you want to grab the updated data from OSM and try it with your buggy > routing engines turned back on and see if they still break or if that fixes > it for them. Sorry for the delay, business got crazy since your response. Sequentially tried all the routing engines in Marble and now all give the same error, even OSRM. The error even displays the html tags: "Drive null onto Murray Valley Highway, B400". Would that be in the rendering of the instructions onto the map ie problem in Marble, or how the engine outputs the instruction? The routing engines used are: CycleStreets; Gosmore; MapQuest; Monav; OSRM; OpenRouteService; Routino and Yours. Any of these better or worse? I'm still new to OSM protocols,learning from this list. What is considered essential data to include for a feature and what is optional? Another way of thinking about it is what should be left unset and what should be specified? So for this roundabout on a B highway still in town boundaries, can we assume 60kph on asphalt and leave them unset? What is the consensus on preferred editor? I have only used iD so far. Looking at Potlatch, it handles these attributes in a different way. I have JOSM and Merkaartor, but haven't really used them yet. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Routing instructions
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 05:15:40 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > snip ... at this location. Would this be something in the OSM tags at this location that I could correct, ... snip As a side, but not totally unrelated, point, looking at the tags for the roundabout mentioned above https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/193448009 there are a few things that could be added that may or may not be useful, such as speed, surface etc. Should these tags be added or edited for correctness on 1 part of a larger way like this major highway, or should it be left alone until the whole way is done? Does it make a difference? -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Routing instructions
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 05:15:40 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > Did you try the same route on openstreetmap.org ? Can you provide a > link to that route ? (of course without providing your home address) This is the first leg of the whole route, but the one in question. https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car=-35.3355%2C143.5556%3B-35.1751%2C143.3834#map=17/-35.33555/143.55666 Direction #5 is the one with the "Drive null onto" in Marble, so I guess the problem is there. Looking further through the XML of the route produced by Marble, the turn types have a non-zero integer value, except at this step in the directions where it is 0. Checking in the routing settings, there are 7 routing engines active. I created the route with each, 1 by 1, and OpenRouteService and Routino are the ones that throw the error. Have de-activated these and left only OSRM active. Thanks Marc -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Routing instructions
G'day all We had a possible deviation to our standard rounds today and thought I'd check for a shorter way to get us back on track. We use Marble for this sort of thing, which, in turn, uses OSM. One of the routing instructions is: Drive null onto bMurray Valley Highway, B400/b 0 The usual green arrow in the route instructions has been replaced with a blue 'i' information symbol. I have never seen this before at this location. Would this be something in the OSM tags at this location that I could correct, or is it in how Marble is reading the tags? Hooroo -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguishing between low-friction and high-friction shared paths
On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 04:28:45 PM Sam Russell wrote: > NSW's specifications for bicycle infrastructure are… interesting. Slightly off-topic ... a Dutch planner comparing cycleways in Holland and Australia said that in Holland the cyclists are protected by barriers like the parked cars or even a gutter in the least. Yet in Australia we protect the parked cars by the cyclists. -- Regards Simon Slater Registered Linux User #463789 http://linuxcounter.net ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
