Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17/06/10 15:48, John Smith wrote: I knew someone had brought it up in the past, but I'm wondering if we could map it as an area rather than a line? Arguably the best approach would be to mark the wilderness area as such, and perhaps show any tracks stopping at the boundaries. Others may have different suggestions to air. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17 June 2010 15:59, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 17/06/10 15:48, John Smith wrote: I knew someone had brought it up in the past, but I'm wondering if we could map it as an area rather than a line? Arguably the best approach would be to mark the wilderness area as such, and perhaps show any tracks stopping at the boundaries. Others may have different suggestions to air. I was thinking from a relation perspective encompassing all segments of the route, including a wilderness area as part of the relation would probably work as well. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Proposal to update weather monitoring_stations using BoM data.
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, you wrote: 3. Examples: Beaudesert Drumley Street http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/774393256 or: Hay Airport http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/774393252 * Completely new site; BoM data lists WMO:id which doesn't occur in any current OSM node. so now the Hay Airport site is in twice because it is also known as Hay AWS 4. Examples: Casino Airport http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/741764824 or: Hillston Airport http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/619722706 * Similar to case 1, but current OSM entry is not from the NOAA import changeset. It may have been edited since, or is a coincidental already extant monitoring_station with WMO:id matching BoM entry. * This time I don't update location details, but instead add the Hillston was entered before any import and the import moved to the site as best could be identified by survey (no physical access to aerodrome) -- Truth is the most valuable thing we have -- so let us economize it. -- Mark Twain ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
Do you have any suggestions on how contours should be marked? eg every 10m elevation, or 5 or 50 or ... ? In regard to contours, the maps from Contours Australia work really well. For Garmin devices, they can be downloaded concurrently with OSM maps. I have been using them in this way in my Etrex for about 6 months now. Richard C. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17/06/2010 11:30 AM, John Smith wrote: On Thu, June 17, 2010 4:27 pm, tom.bren...@ampcapital.com wrote: Do you have any suggestions on how contours should be marked? eg every 10m elevation, or 5 or 50 or ... ? Depends on the scale of the map. 1:25000 maps are typically rendered with 10m or 20m contours. Every 5th or 10th contour should be in bold. navigation are: - tracks - render as dashed black line Can you put this in OSM terms? What do you mean by OSM terms (I'm a bit of a newbie) - ideally there needs to be more granularity of track difficulty - track_visibility=* is probably useful - sac_scale=* is less useful as it is too specific to alpine areas - however, something indicating difficulty/exposure would be useful This came up on IRC the other day, there the suggestion with sac scale was it should be limited to things SAC has actually evaluated, and there is no equivalent body in Australia so there probably needs a new/different tag for difficulty ratings in Australia difficulty:au=* The AS2156 discussed elsewhere is not great, but better than nothing. It's too much to be able to catch everything about a track in one or two tags. - intermittent stream - thin dashed blue - main deficiency in tagging is the need for an intermittent watercourse tag eg waterway=stream_non_perennial or intermittent=yes I don't think we have a tag for this at present, out of those 2 choices intermittent=yes is shorter, although we probably should with all the dry creek beds out there most of the time. In any case what ever is decided needs to be documented. My preference is for intermittent=yes. That way it can be applied to rivers as well as streams. We've got intermittent rivers in Australia, that's for sure. - other topographic features like peaks, passes, ranges, ridges, spurs, valleys - should have names render but probably no other marker - some of those (eg ridges, spurs) don't seem to have any method in OSM (proposed or otherwise) for tagging at the moment Peaks usually get the elevation printed, any thoughts on how to tag the rest? A lot of these might fit under the natural=* section... natural=cliff etc... There have been various discussions about how to tag things like ranges, ridges, spurs and valleys, which don't have distinct boundaries. So far nothing has come of them. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_place_tags http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relations/Proposed/Region http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Geographical_Places My thinking was along the lines of the latter... but that got comprehensively voted down... See http://ozultimate.com/kanangra.png for example of map section with a variety of different geographic features, many of which can't easily be represented in OSM at the moment (Gangerang Range, Kilpatrick Causeway, Crafts Wall, Brennan Top, Seriphos Pit, Seriphos Cliffs, Gabes Gap) cheers Tom Brennan Bushwalking? http://ozultimate.com/bushwalking Canyoning? http://ozultimate.com/canyoning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17/06/2010 3:46 PM, John Henderson wrote: I may have raised this issue in the past. Walking tracks are never signposted or otherwise marked through declared wilderness areas. This includes some sections of the Australian Alps Walking Track. Maps should not show tracks in those specific wilderness areas. It's every man to herself, so to speak. Not always true. For example, from the Plan of Management for Kanangra Boyd National Park Existing walking tracks on the Kanangra Tops within the wilderness (as indicated on the map on the central pages of this plan) will be retained and managed to minimise impacts on natural values. These tracks would certainly be expected to be mapped. It depends on the park and the local Parks and Wildlife Service. cheers Canyoning? try http://ozultimate.com/canyoning Bushwalking? try http://ozultimate.com/bushwalking ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17 June 2010 22:38, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: In regard to contours, the maps from Contours Australia work really well. For Garmin devices, they can be downloaded concurrently with OSM maps. I have been using them in this way in my Etrex for about 6 months now. I've imported the SRTM data NASA produced which I think is 1m vertical and ~90m horizontal, but only for a limited area since I'm waiting on a HDD upgrade to the server... Although if the other information is more accurate I'll happily use it instead... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17 June 2010 23:08, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote: Depends on the scale of the map. 1:25000 maps are typically rendered with 10m or 20m contours. Every 5th or 10th contour should be in bold. I'm used to mapnik zoom levels, I'll have to figure out what 1:25000 represents, although I haven't really started on a style sheet yet. navigation are: - tracks - render as dashed black line Can you put this in OSM terms? What do you mean by OSM terms (I'm a bit of a newbie) something like highway=track, grade=3 ? The AS2156 discussed elsewhere is not great, but better than nothing. It's too much to be able to catch everything about a track in one or two tags. I think AS2156 sets minimum standards for the entire track, in other words what is the worst to expect from this track... Although we could tag various section of track at different ratings... My preference is for intermittent=yes. That way it can be applied to rivers as well as streams. We've got intermittent rivers in Australia, that's for sure. True... There have been various discussions about how to tag things like ranges, ridges, spurs and valleys, which don't have distinct boundaries. So far nothing has come of them. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_place_tags http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relations/Proposed/Region http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Geographical_Places My thinking was along the lines of the latter... but that got comprehensively voted down... I'd suggest that we try tagging and then rendering some/all of these suggestions and see what works best then we can have another go at documenting it for actual use, I generally don't put much stock in the voting system... See http://ozultimate.com/kanangra.png for example of map section with a variety of different geographic features, many of which can't easily be represented in OSM at the moment (Gangerang Range, Kilpatrick Causeway, Crafts Wall, Brennan Top, Seriphos Pit, Seriphos Cliffs, Gabes Gap) Have these features been added to OSM? If so we can try and start to render them. Also what is the lat/lon of the area? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17/06/2010 11:25 PM, John Smith wrote: navigation are: - tracks - render as dashed black line Can you put this in OSM terms? What do you mean by OSM terms (I'm a bit of a newbie) something like highway=track, grade=3 ? OK - highway=path - dashed black line - highway=track+car=no - long thick black dashed line - highway=track+car=yes - long thick red dashed line See http://ozultimate.com/kanangra.png for example of map section with a variety of different geographic features, many of which can't easily be represented in OSM at the moment (Gangerang Range, Kilpatrick Causeway, Crafts Wall, Brennan Top, Seriphos Pit, Seriphos Cliffs, Gabes Gap) Have these features been added to OSM? If so we can try and start to render them. Also what is the lat/lon of the area? No they haven't. Area is approx lat=-33.9753lon=150.1336 but it's not a great area to start with. Geographic items are difficult to map without good quality aerial photography, which we don't have for that area (Kanangra). Better would be to start around North Lawson (lat=-33.71027lon=150.43344zoom=15) or Leura/Wentworth Falls (lat=-33.72384lon=150.3622zoom=15). I can try and add some more geographic features for them, but probably not til next week. cheers Canyoning? try http://ozultimate.com/canyoning Bushwalking? try http://ozultimate.com/bushwalking ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 18 June 2010 00:18, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote: No they haven't. Area is approx lat=-33.9753lon=150.1336 but it's not a great area to start with. Geographic items are difficult to map without good quality aerial photography, which we don't have for that area (Kanangra). You're only about 10km out of Nearmap coverage... that kinda sucks... Although with a lot of tree cover it tends to be difficult to map as well, you may need to do a lot of extrapolation... Better would be to start around North Lawson (lat=-33.71027lon=150.43344zoom=15) or Leura/Wentworth Falls (lat=-33.72384lon=150.3622zoom=15). I can try and add some more geographic features for them, but probably not til next week. There's no rush, I'll probably not make a start on a style sheet till the weekend anyway... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17/06/10 23:13, Tom Brennan wrote: Not always true. For example, from the Plan of Management for Kanangra Boyd National Park Existing walking tracks on the Kanangra Tops within the wilderness (as indicated on the map on the central pages of this plan) will be retained and managed to minimise impacts on natural values. These tracks would certainly be expected to be mapped. It depends on the park and the local Parks and Wildlife Service. Thanks - I wasn't aware of exceptions. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: [transit-developers] NSW Public Transport changes license terms to CC-BY-SA
Pro: Stop/Station/Wharf locations in compatible licence Con: Licence not compatible with OSM for very much longer : -- Forwarded message -- From: Noam Ben Haim noa...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:09 AM Subject: [transit-developers] NSW Public Transport changes license terms To: transit-develop...@googlegroups.com On the heels of TfL's announcement fortnight, today there are more good news from the commonwealth Public Transportation organizations. New South Wales today announces that it changes the terms of service for the feed it released back in Sept 2009. The new license is using CC Attribution ShareAlike 2.5 Australia. http://www.131500.com.au/transportdata/changes.asp This dataset is released in TransXchange format. Best Noam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Transit Developers group. To post to this group, send email to transit-develop...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to transit-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comtransit-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/transit-developers?hl=en. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
From a local govt point of view these are different to both rural and residential. Normally the lot size would be too small to make a living from. A hobby farm could have a rural zoning. - Ben. Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:07 To: Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com Cc: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse On 17 June 2010 10:39, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state, these blocks are too small for Aren't they commonly known as hobby farms if you have a few animals for tax purposes? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Natural Earth Data
Anyone know if this has any relationship to OSM (i.e, is partly derived from OSM, or has been used as a basis for OSM)? http://www.naturalearthdata.com/ Cheers b -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
I've started building up some map layers, so far I have a base layer, as well as shifting contours to their own layer, but only for select areas due to lack of hdd space, so far only Bris and Syd. http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=17ll=-26.372,152.838layer=BFFFTFF From there I plan to start making a hiking specific features render on top on it's own transparent layer, or maybe a couple of layers so we can play round with how things display without needing to edit massive style sheets. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Natural Earth Data
Cool, No idea about the legals. ... it looks like it's Public Domain... But i think it does help with the GroundTruthPlanet Contour Garmin Maps than im making :) As well as serves as the good grid for the WikiMAP Books that im working on. Great Find, Cheers, Sam On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Anyone know if this has any relationship to OSM (i.e, is partly derived from OSM, or has been used as a basis for OSM)? http://www.naturalearthdata.com/ Cheers b -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
