Re: [talk-au] Uluru naming consistency
On Tue, 29 Oct, 2019 at 10:43, Adam Horan wrote: I prefer the first proposal from Joachim: name = Uluṟu name:en = Uluru name:pjt = Uluṟu alt_name = Ayers Rock alt_name:en = Ayers Rock official_name = Uluru / Ayers Rock official_name:en = Uluru / Ayers Rock I suggest putting 'Ayers Rock' in alt_name instead of old_name. If you think about it Uluru *is* the old name... Thirded! -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ <http://mjog.vee.net/> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Existing OSM precedent | Re: Aboriginal art sites
On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:38, Rory McCann wrote: On 01/04/2019 12:27, Ian Sergeant wrote: is this form of censorship practised anywhere else in OSM - maybe for other indigenous people - that we could copy their model? I don't think "censorship" is a helpful term here. But there has been a practice in OSM to *not* map certain things, such as private/non-publicized domestic violence shelters, or the nesting sites of endangered birds. So the same logic applies here I think. Both points seconded. -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ <http://mjog.vee.net/> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Aboriginal art sites
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 09:37, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Should that be documented as OSM (maybe AU?) policy, or left to the discretion of individual mappers? Definitely documented as such. -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ <http://mjog.vee.net/> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries
Yes, as I said landuse doesn't seem to be what I'm after here. What was the objection to fine grained land ownership in OSM? Seems like a particularly useful thing to have in. Is it just "imports suck"? //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ <http://mjog.vee.net/> On Sun, 3 Jan, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote: The Karlsruher Schema is intended for postal addresses, typically the tags are used on building outlines or on nodes. I wouldn't use them on landuse boundaries. Nor would I import fine grained land ownership in the first place (you should be able to find discussion of the pros and cons on the talk or talk-us mailings lists some time back. Simon Am 03.01.2016 um 07:29 schrieb Michael Gratton: Hey all, Now that the NSW LPI goldmine is available, I'd like to be able to tag individual residential and commercial property boundaries. Looking at the wiki, it seems like boundary=administrative isn't applicable and landuse=... is for larger areas, so is the only useful tagging scheme something like: area=yes addr:housenumber=... addr:street=... But then Karlsruhe says that buildings should be tagged with the addr:* tags instead? Any suggestions? //Mike ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries
So basically there's no consensus about whether property boundaries should be included or not, but regardless they won't get rendered anyway. I experimented by adding some properties and their addresses for a couple of streets in around Enmore, and Nominatum was able to find the addresses as you'd expect, e.g. searching for "22 charles st, enmore" returns <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/389348302>. However also as expected no boundary or even house number was rendered. What a shame. It seems that in lieu of having any buildings marked out, using property borders would have been a useful way to indicate addresses - also seems more correct than using buildings, to my mind anyway. //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ <http://mjog.vee.net/> On Sun, 3 Jan, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: On 3/01/2016 9:26 PM, Michael Gratton wrote: > > Yes, as I said landuse doesn't seem to be what I'm after here. > > What was the objection to fine grained land ownership in OSM? Seems > like a particularly useful thing to have in. Is it just "imports suck"? > > //Mike > A simple google search (OSM property boundary) turns up some results http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:boundary#Property_.28land_parcel.29_boundaries .. probably will not render. https://books.google.com.au/books?id=uHIKBwAAQBAJ=PA258=PA258=OSM+property+boundary=bl=SZ055zv2mM=0hgvEPAA_AHov2iNJMm5qvSmUIQ=en=X=0ahUKEwj-3u6bwY3KAhVkIqYKHWXAD1sQ6AEISzAG#v=onepage=OSM%20property%20boundary=false http://slashgeo.org/2010/09/17/Parcel-Boundary-Data-More-Just-Pretty-Lines-Map/ http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/89236/does-openstreetmap-have-property-boundaries Then OSM parcel boundary (is this an American term?!) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-February/010398.html http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel -a summary .. possibly biased .. at least a country bias? I think it is a boundary of sorts .. thus the appropriate tag is boundary ... possible value? boundary=property? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries
Hey all, Now that the NSW LPI goldmine is available, I'd like to be able to tag individual residential and commercial property boundaries. Looking at the wiki, it seems like boundary=administrative isn't applicable and landuse=... is for larger areas, so is the only useful tagging scheme something like: area=yes addr:housenumber=... addr:street=... But then Karlsruhe says that buildings should be tagged with the addr:* tags instead? Any suggestions? //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ <http://mjog.vee.net/> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Data for OSM + talk at UNSW
Hey all, A while ago I was dissatisfied with the state of UNSW's Kensington campus in OSM, especially after all of the recent redevelopment along High St it is really out of date in parts, and inaccurate in many places elsewhere. Being a student there I have tried to remedy it by surveying and imagery, but the canyons formed by the buildings render GPS somewhat unreliable and with the out-of-date imagery, progress was difficult. Also, things like street names are hardly signposted, so it's hard to know what the ground truth is. So I thought that it would be useful to be able to use the University's own maps as a source, and initiated a discussion with the Facilities Management (FM) here who maintains infrastructure, buildings grounds, etc to clarify the copyright status. After a lot of fair bit of to/fro and patient waiting, it seems they are happy for OSM to use their data (presumably under the ODbL, I have been stressing that all along). So I'm going to meet with some people from FM tomorrow and see what they have got and what their terms are. They are also interested in my presenting an intro and demo for OSM, so I need to plan what to do there. I was thinking of roughly the following: * Introducing the default slippy map and various standard layers, talking about licensing that makes things like MQ Open possible * Going through some other applications (mobile apps, GNOME Maps, Nominatum, GraphHopper) * Introducing the data via the Map Data layer on the slippy map * Demoing editing using ID2 and JSOM and maybe Vespucci * Introducing the wiki and feature documentation * Talking a bit about different modes of contributing, and the importance of maintenance, and talking up the possibly of FM contributing to it. What do you think, does that all sound reasonable? Any suggestions of resources/nifty things to demo in the presentation gratefully accepted. //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ http://mjog.vee.net/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On Tue, 29 Apr, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: On 28 Apr 2014, at 1:53 pm, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: On a related note, what's the appropriate way to map suburb-sized areas that are partitions? A way for each suburb that share nodes along common borders, a way for each suburb that don't duplicate nodes along common borders, or using a single way for the border and using a relation? I might express and opinion about suburb mapping as I’ve done a fair bit of “mapping for the validator” which I suppose is not evil, unlike mapping for the renderer. I’d prefer relations that depend on single ways, this avoids JOSM complaining too much about duplicate ways and can also tie into the definition in words that might belong in Wikipedia. This (and Ian's) sounded like pretty good advice, so I have uploaded a boundary for Randwick based on Andrew's OSM version of the ABS SSC_2011_AUST, checked and manually adjusted by eyeballing Bing vs SIX and the Council's PDF map, and simplified by hand. The changeset is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22023461, does anyone have any comments about how it could be improved? I noticed that as for many suburbs in SA, since I replaced the place=suburb node previously used the name of the suburb is no longer rendered. What's best practice here, do we really want to different entities with the same name? //Mike ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On Mon, 28 Apr, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 April 2014 14:23, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: So you are saying the ABS suburb boundaries should be checked individually rather than imported en mass? How do you know that the quality of the GNB/Wikipedia/etc data is any better than that of the ABS dataset where they disagree? Yes. Firstly, the ABS data is several years out of date. The GNB is the authoritative source for whether a suburb exists or not. Comparing several sources - council, gazette, ABS, GNB - if they concur, then you've probably got something accurate on your hands. So how accurate does it have to be? For example, I just downloaded Andrew's ABS OSM converted datafile (thanks Andrew!), loaded it into JOSM, and have been eyeballing the differences for the ABS version of Randwick with the LPI cadastre using in SIX Maps. It's confidence is rated very good and I can see that the ABS data matches quite well, but it's missing fine details such as where the suburb falls entirely one one side of road rather than the centerline, and some corners are a bit off. Does this matter? //Mike ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
Hey Ian, On Sun, 27 Apr, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: I don't really agree. I think we need suburb boundaries to be as accurate as we can make them at the time we create them, and not do a mass import leaving us with thousands of FIXMEs. Importing data we know is wrong at the time we import it is the wrong thing to do. So you are saying the ABS suburb boundaries should be checked individually rather than imported en mass? How do you know that the quality of the GNB/Wikipedia/etc data is any better than that of the ABS dataset where they disagree? On a related note, what's the appropriate way to map suburb-sized areas that are partitions? A way for each suburb that share nodes along common borders, a way for each suburb that don't duplicate nodes along common borders, or using a single way for the border and using a relation? Hopefully we will have access to the accurate and official suburb boundaries in Sydney in an open format sometime in the future (like we have for other cities). Then this problem will go away. I literally just heard back from LPI about my enquiry: LPI is currently reviewing the licencing framework and will be in a better position to answer your query within the next 4 to 6 weeks, so maybe we will have the data sooner rather than later. I've asked if I can make a submission to whoever is doing the review, will post the details there if I get them so we can canvas for a good outcome. //Mike ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On Mon, 21 Apr, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 April 2014 23:36, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote: A corresponding data set might be: https://sdi.nsw.gov.au/sdi.nsw.gov.au/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B012BD68E-569E-4965-A4B0-48CBBBA64FF4%7D ... though you'd want to get in contact with the maintainers and get an alternative licence+explicit permission to import it. Cheers, I just sent off an email to the SDI/LPI asking for permission - text is below. I think you would have better luck with using the ABS dataset which is CC BY and obtaining those extra rights required by OSM. This is interesting. Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australian_government_public_information_datasets, it seems ABS data should already be fine to use, and is indeed already in use for suburbs. However from the import plan page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/ABS_Data, the import doesn't seem to have gotten too far, and also questions the accuracy of the data. Given that many suburbs in NSW are currently indicated by nodes, would an import of the ABS boundaries, however inaccurate, be better than nothing? //Mike Email sent to sds.copyri...@lpi.nsw.gov.au: On Mon, 21 Apr, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: Hello, I am a contributor to Open Street Map (OSM)[1], a world-wide, collaboratively edited, open project to create a global geodata set freely usable by anyone. OSM is used by millions of ordinary people, researchers and public and private organisations, every day. The NSW LPI publishes the NSW Suburb boundary Dataset[2], a spatial data set that if included in OSM would be of great befit to the OSM community, since unlike other Australian states this data is not currently present. Its omission makes it difficult to find specific suburbs in NSW or to look up the location of streets by name, for example. However after examining the Legal Constraints listed in the metadata for the data set at [2], it seems the existing licensing is incompatible with the Open Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL)[3], which is the open data licence used by OSM[4]. Since the OSM community strongly desires to abide by both LPI's rights and also comply with its own, I am writing to ask the LPI to provide OSM with a specific waiver for the existing licensing restrictions and fees for the data set that is compatible with the ODbL licence, such that it may be imported by OSM. Copyright and other attribution notices for LPI and/or the NSW Government can be provided on the Contributors list[5]. As you can see from that page, many governments and governmental agencies around the world have already provided such permission, including the NSW Geographic Names Board, the Australian federal government, and both the Queensland and South Australian state governments. Please feel free to ask me any questions you may have, I look forward to hearing back from you about this matter. Sincerely, Michael Gratton. [1] - Open Street Map http://www.openstreetmap.org [2] - NSW Suburb boundary Dataset https://sdi.nsw.gov.au/sdi.nsw.gov.au/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B012BD68E-569E-4965-A4B0-48CBBBA64FF4%7D [3] - Open Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL) http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ [4] - Copyright and License http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright [5] - Contributors http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] path undre overhanging cliff?
Oooh! I'll bikeshed, err I mean bite! Is the path underground, so could you use layer=-1? If not, then layer=0 sounds good to me. //Mike On Fri, 4 Apr, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Frank sundowne...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Here is a nice puzzel? How would you tag a path that lies under an overhanging cliff? So it is not a tunnel, nor under a bridge... Conceptually I view 'layer 0' as ground surface .. but in this location/cross section there are 3 'layer 0's - the top of the cliff, the path and the 'roof' of the path. I think under KISS principles .. layer 0 will do. --- I should have posted this some days ago .. for the 1st. :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Growth in OSM usage.
On 5 March 2014 7:21:28 PM Dssis1 david.sisour...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, just letting you guys know that the East-West Link page now uses a OSM map to show drilling locations. Now if only we could get governments building /useful/ transport infrastructure, it would be a win-win! :/ -- Sent from my outboard brain. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government
On 10/05/13 17:01, Steve Bennett wrote: 1) I think TileMill/MapBox will be a game changer for the rendering guys won't listen to us problem. I suspect it will soon be much, much easier to have lots of different map views out there, and we can create Australian-specific maps easily. So we should continue to work out the best tagging system and use that - even if it's not currently supported by any rendering styles. This is an excellent point. From a cartography perspective, excluding unneeded detail is essential for producing a usable map. I've long felt the official OSM rendering is far, far too detailed - it's basically grey goop at a distance and a riot up close. People really shouldn't be lobbying for more features to be added to official tilesets, instead what is needed is many more additional, more specialised tilesets, and for desktop/web/mobile apps to let people easily make use of them. //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ http://mjog.vee.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW Transport Data Exchange (TDX)
On 20/02/13 22:24, Andrew Harvey wrote: Hmm... seems like they changed from CC-BY back to a custom license? Yeah, there's some onerous clauses for attribution and re-distribution and what-not. Pity. I notice you have a copy under the CC-BY licence, I wonder if that would that be suitable for use for a initial import to OSM? On 22/01/13 23:17, Michael Gratton wrote: From the sounds of it, one thing they are anxious is having old route/timetable data being out in public. I'm not sure whats wrong with keeping historical records... In my view, the less restrictions they place on the data, the more freely it will flow, creating more competition and innovation among people using the data and building products incorporating the data... Indeed. I figure they don't want random members of the public using a service that publishes PT timetable data for Sydney, thinking the data is accurate but that is actually out of date. It would be misleading the user if the service said (say) there's a bus due in 10 minutes when there's not, because the timetable has changed. The user would possibly assume that Sydney Buses is at fault (I know I would) rather than blame the service with the out-of-date data. This would not only make Transport NSW/Sydney Buses/City Rail/etc look bad, but it would also inconvenience the public. Probably worth another look though, but I believe, * It didn't say which roads were used for the route, just station to station (but since the stations are fairly close you could infer) * I don't think it used the common route names, but rather each timetabled journey was recorded as a separate route. GTFS feeds (optionally) includes route shapes, which can be used to render the actual routes. Since GMaps currently only does that for rail, I assume the TpNSW GTFS feed only contains shapes for that. There is a notion of both routes and trips in GTFS, where a route is effectively a collection of trips, and where a trip is a sequence of stops, ordered by arrival and departure times. Both routes and trips have human readable names and other descriptive information. You can still include this into OSM, its just you need to decide is it better to do a mass import, or collect it naturally via the traditional OSM way of going out and observing what is out there. See http://tianjara.net/data/tdx.nsw.gov.au/. Mind you I haven't looked any further into it since my initial investigation. I did have a look at that, cheers. For a previous paid project I have some Python code useful for representing and generating GTFS, I was thinking of extending that if TpNSW fixes their licence. I think it is worthwhile doing a combination import-and-maintain in conjunction with the traditional approach, as I outlined before: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-January/009784.html - basically a mass import combined with a bot to keep it up to date. This can be combined with the traditional approach, which definitely has advantages but I don't think scales to something like keeping PT data complete and up-to-date. //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ http://mjog.vee.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW Transport Data Exchange (TDX)
Hey Ian, On 22/01/13 14:08, Ian Sergeant wrote: Andrew made mention of it, and did some experimentation when it was first available.. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2012-September/009369.html Didn't provoke much discussion though, probably because of licence/volatility issues. Thanks for those links. I ended up emailing Transport NSW initially about access - before finding the sign-up and agreement pages, and mentioned the licence was annoying. They seemed interested in what the particular problems were, so maybe that will lead somewhere. From the sounds of it, one thing they are anxious is having old route/timetable data being out in public. Clearly from Andrew's work it is possible to massage the TDX feeds into something useful for OSM. Does OSM however have any process for keeping data like that up to date? While stop/station locations infrequently change, routes do seem to come and go more frequently. It wouldn't be too hard for someone to run a process on a server somewhere to keep tabs on changes in the feed and update the map as needed, but it seems like some coordination there would be a good thing. //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ http://mjog.vee.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW Transport Data Exchange (TDX)
On 23/01/13 08:43, Ian Sergeant wrote: It raises the age old question, if we can't edit it, why put it in OSM? If each set of data is intended to overwrite the last, what do we do when people change it? Oh, I thought OSM was aiming for an objectively correct map via user contributions, is there actually anyone arguing for some kind of libertarian approach to ground truth? ;) There's no reason why using feeds such as the TDX is incompatible with individual user editing. From first-hand experience, even the PT agencies get their data wrong at times, and so the legion-with-smartphones out there is still actually quite important. The usefulness of these feeds is two-fold, the first is obviously for populating a large amount mostly-correct data otherwise missing from OSM, but equally important is getting updates down the track. Bad data is after all just as bad as missing data (worse?), as my local government GIS friend constantly complains. The challenge then is how to merge feed updates along with individual-generated changes. It's not impossible, it just requires the right data, some conventions, some code and a bot. It would be nice to see the data integrated with OSM as another layer, however from what Andrew was saying it is only a point to point graph, so we can't get OSM style public transport routes from it, only stops. I don't have any experience with TransXchange or OSM style public transport, but GTFS does indeed include service routes and timetable data in addition to stops. The data is there, it just needs a decent licence. //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ http://mjog.vee.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW Transport Data Exchange (TDX)
On 23/01/13 09:48, Ian Sergeant wrote: But the TDX data is updated very regularly, so if I fix a bus stop today, how do you know whether you should overwrite that with the next revision of TDX data tomorrow? Not really. They may regenerate the feed frequently, but the data rarely changes (unless you're talking about the real-time feed, but I'm not, I'm talking about stop locations and perhaps routes). From experience, stops rarely change, routes change perhaps yearly, and even temporary alterations due to works occur on a scale of months. That certainly defines the nature of the challenge. I'd be happy to see the spec of exactly how you think we can stir this into our data soup. If you intend retaining user created data while discarding the imported data, you're likely creating the exact issue that the data issuers wish to avoid. The high-level is pretty simple, conceptually. Once initially imported, you need a bot running somewhere that does the following: 1. Downloads the feed file, say once per day 2. Generates a list of changes from the last good version downloaded 3. For every change, merge it with OSM As indicated above, a merge should happen infrequently. The merge process can be something like: 1. Look for the features that correspond to those that are being changed (custom props can help here, failing that look for similar features nearby) 2. If found and if unmodified by another user since the import or last update (perhaps the common case?), apply the change 4. Otherwise flag it as needing attention Similarly for additions, and deletions. So the bot acts much like an individual contributor, except that it uses the feed as a data source rather than GPS. //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ http://mjog.vee.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] NSW Transport Data Exchange (TDX)
Hey all, Has there been any discussion about the Transport NSW TDX program https://tdx.131500.com.au/? I note they make available a GTFS file which should include the lat/long of all stops and stations, which would be nice to have in OSM. Their licence looks rather restrictive however https://tdx.131500.com.au/terms-conditions.php, I assume this would be a deal breaker for OSM? //Mike -- ⊨ Michael Gratton, Percept Wrangler. ⚙ http://mjog.vee.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
