Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
Also with the boundary only layer you can have the satellite view in full focus whilst also editing without having the other features of the base map such as address, buildings, etc. Cheers, Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
I'm not proposing to import the boundaries into the database, only showing up as an overlay in the editor. Whether there is a feature there to be mapped along the boundary can of course only be determined by aerial imagery. Cheers, Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
On 24/10/19 16:11, Luke Stewart wrote: It would be similar to how the suburb and other overlays currently work--one could see the aerial imagery in the background with the lot boundaries on top. Of what use is it??? Boundaries of suburbs, National Parks, State Forests can all be tagged into OSM and rendered by map makers. Lot boundaries have no tags available in OSM? Do you have a tag to use? -- For visualising things already in OSM it can already be done using the LPI Base Map as the background.. why do you need a satelite view??? What are you trying to do? In JOSM you can map an image semi transparent over another .. say the LPI Base Map over a satellite image... biu t I still faile to see a practical use for this. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
It covers all Web Services at https://www.spatial.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/lpi_web_services which includes the NSW Cadastre layer. Feel free to add a PR at https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/tree/gh-pages/sources/oceania/au/nsw if you think it's useful. On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 16:03, Luke Stewart wrote: > Yes, I was referring to inclusion only in the editor. I am unsure > whether our current waiver from LPI NSW services includes access to lot > boundaries. > > Cheers, > Luke > > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:15, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> You're just asking to see these layers in editors, not actually importing >> those boundaries into OSM right? >> >> The layers are defined at >> https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/tree/gh-pages/sources/oceania/au/nsw >> . >> >> On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 11:22, Luke Stewart >> wrote: >> >>> I didn't notice the lot boundaries on the base map but it seems you're >>> right. In which case it would make this proposal redundant. Thank you for >>> pointing that out. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Luke >>> ___ >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> >> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
It would be similar to how the suburb and other overlays currently work--one could see the aerial imagery in the background with the lot boundaries on top. Cheers, Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
Yes, I was referring to inclusion only in the editor. I am unsure whether our current waiver from LPI NSW services includes access to lot boundaries. Cheers, Luke On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:15, Andrew Harvey wrote: > You're just asking to see these layers in editors, not actually importing > those boundaries into OSM right? > > The layers are defined at > https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/tree/gh-pages/sources/oceania/au/nsw > . > > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 11:22, Luke Stewart > wrote: > >> I didn't notice the lot boundaries on the base map but it seems you're >> right. In which case it would make this proposal redundant. Thank you for >> pointing that out. >> >> Cheers, >> Luke >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
You're just asking to see these layers in editors, not actually importing those boundaries into OSM right? The layers are defined at https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/tree/gh-pages/sources/oceania/au/nsw . On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 11:22, Luke Stewart wrote: > I didn't notice the lot boundaries on the base map but it seems you're > right. In which case it would make this proposal redundant. Thank you for > pointing that out. > > Cheers, > Luke > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
To avoid opening a can of worms, I've been waiting for them to upgrade to CC BY 4.0 before asking for the LWG waiver and instead relying on the pre-waiver permission. They said they were planning to move to CC BY 4.0 but that was about a year and a half ago. On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 07:04, Dion Moult wrote: > I think the six maps overlays come from NSW LPI Web Services, which we > have permission and compatible licensing and attribution information for: > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Government_Data > > Could be wrong, though. > > As for specifically mapping lot boundaries, using the layer to check other > things is OK, but just in case there is any misunderstanding my belief is > that we should not map actual lot boundaries if they are invisible on the > ground. If it coincides with an actual physical object, like a fence, then > it's mappable :) > > Dion Moult > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 11:48 PM, Mateusz Konieczny < > matkoni...@tutanota.com> wrote: > > > Note that permission to access is insufficient. > > We need this data on odbl compatible licence to use it for mapping. > > 23 Oct 2019, 14:40 by suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com: > > G'day guys, > > Looking at the sixmaps website they have a lot boundaries overlay which > does exactly what it says on the tin. Would it be worthwhile requesting > permission to access this? My thoughts are that it could assist with > armchair mapping for determining whether a road is for public access or > whether its actually just a long driveway or the like? We already have the > imagery dates overlay in iD so I presume it wouldn't be too difficult to > add? > > Interested to hear your thoughts. > > Cheers, > Luke > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
On 24/10/19 11:31, David Wales wrote: Not completely redundant. Would your proposal allow one to see lot boundaries and satellite imagery at the same time, without having to switch back and forth to the LPI base map? Within OSM, for what purpose? Note you can have that information for free now from SIX maps .. Any legal complications are then theirs to deal with. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
Not completely redundant. Would your proposal allow one to see lot boundaries and satellite imagery at the same time, without having to switch back and forth to the LPI base map? On 24 October 2019 11:20:55 am AEDT, Luke Stewart wrote: >I didn't notice the lot boundaries on the base map but it seems you're >right. In which case it would make this proposal redundant. Thank you >for >pointing that out. > >Cheers, >Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
I didn't notice the lot boundaries on the base map but it seems you're right. In which case it would make this proposal redundant. Thank you for pointing that out. Cheers, Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
On 23/10/19 23:40, Luke Stewart wrote: G'day guys, Looking at the sixmaps website they have a lot boundaries overlay which does exactly what it says on the tin. Would it be worthwhile requesting permission to access this? My thoughts are that it could assist with armchair mapping for determining whether a road is for public access or whether its actually just a long driveway or the like? We already have the imagery dates overlay in iD so I presume it wouldn't be too difficult to add? Interested to hear your thoughts. OSM has no tags for lot boundaries of private property. Publicly accessible car parks are on 'private property' so would need human consideration as to if it is 'private' or not. Think about shopping centres... So.. I don't see any advantage in adding it to OSM as: it would need human involvement in considering if access is private or not and that can be done using the present base map anyway. there would need to be some way of tagging it... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
I think the six maps overlays come from NSW LPI Web Services, which we have permission and compatible licensing and attribution information for: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Government_Data Could be wrong, though. As for specifically mapping lot boundaries, using the layer to check other things is OK, but just in case there is any misunderstanding my belief is that we should not map actual lot boundaries if they are invisible on the ground. If it coincides with an actual physical object, like a fence, then it's mappable :) Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 11:48 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Note that permission to access is insufficient. > > We need this data on odbl compatible licence to use it for mapping. > > 23 Oct 2019, 14:40 by suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com: > >> G'day guys, >> >> Looking at the sixmaps website they have a lot boundaries overlay which does >> exactly what it says on the tin. Would it be worthwhile requesting >> permission to access this? My thoughts are that it could assist with >> armchair mapping for determining whether a road is for public access or >> whether its actually just a long driveway or the like? We already have the >> imagery dates overlay in iD so I presume it wouldn't be too difficult to add? >> >> Interested to hear your thoughts. >> >> Cheers, >> Luke___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
Note that permission to access is insufficient. We need this data on odbl compatible licence to use it for mapping. 23 Oct 2019, 14:40 by suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com: > G'day guys, > > Looking at the sixmaps website they have a lot boundaries overlay which does > exactly what it says on the tin. Would it be worthwhile requesting permission > to access this? My thoughts are that it could assist with armchair mapping > for determining whether a road is for public access or whether its actually > just a long driveway or the like? We already have the imagery dates overlay > in iD so I presume it wouldn't be too difficult to add? > > Interested to hear your thoughts. > > Cheers, > Luke >___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
G'day guys, Looking at the sixmaps website they have a lot boundaries overlay which does exactly what it says on the tin. Would it be worthwhile requesting permission to access this? My thoughts are that it could assist with armchair mapping for determining whether a road is for public access or whether its actually just a long driveway or the like? We already have the imagery dates overlay in iD so I presume it wouldn't be too difficult to add? Interested to hear your thoughts. Cheers, Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
