Re: [talk-au] Northern NSW again

[cleary]

Motorways can sometimes have lower speed limits than some sections of
highways and some suburban streets can be divided roads so I find it
hard to use those criteria to determine if a road is a motorway. I think
we should be guided by the RMS. If they have given it an "M"
alphanumeric designation then it OSM should show it as a motorway. But
in this case the RMS classifies it as a highway rather than motorway so
I support it being shown as a trunk route in OSM. Thanks Mark for noting
this issue and correcting it.




On Tue, Jan 5, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Mark Pulley wrote:
> I’ve now been past this area to check the access on this section of the
> Great Western Highway. Between Lithgow and the Mudgee turn-off, there are
> several properties with access from the highway - this includes houses
> just next to the road (with the front yard facing the highway), and a
> service station. I’m inclined to return this section of highway from
> motorway to trunk. What does everyone else think?
> 
> On 20 Dec 2015, at 9:11 am, Mark Pulley  wrote:
> > On 19 Dec 2015, at 1:20 pm, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> >> Just for info, I've suggested that a relatively new mapper in Northern NSW 
> >> might want to contact other mappers here in a comment on 
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35480438 
> >> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/332351666 is clearly unjoined, but 
> >> there may be other issues).
> > 
> > I’ve just noticed that the same user has ‘corrected' the road type for a 
> > section of the Great Western Highway to motorway (between Lithgow and 
> > Wallerawang).
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35571830
> > Maxspeed is 110 for some of this, 100 for the rest, road is divided - 
> > however there is only one ‘interchange’ (part of this is an at-grade 
> > junction). other road junctions are at-grade intersections (not 
> > interchanges).
> > It also isn’t technically limited access - there is a motel and a service 
> > station beside the road, and I recall at least one driveway. (I’ll be 
> > driving on this road in a few days so I can check if needed.)
> > I’m in two minds about whether to revert this change or not. What does 
> > everyone else think?
> 
> 
> Mark P.
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Northern NSW again

[Mark Pulley]

I’ve now been past this area to check the access on this section of the Great 
Western Highway. Between Lithgow and the Mudgee turn-off, there are several 
properties with access from the highway - this includes houses just next to the 
road (with the front yard facing the highway), and a service station. I’m 
inclined to return this section of highway from motorway to trunk. What does 
everyone else think?

On 20 Dec 2015, at 9:11 am, Mark Pulley  wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2015, at 1:20 pm, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>> Just for info, I've suggested that a relatively new mapper in Northern NSW 
>> might want to contact other mappers here in a comment on 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35480438 
>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/332351666 is clearly unjoined, but there 
>> may be other issues).
> 
> I’ve just noticed that the same user has ‘corrected' the road type for a 
> section of the Great Western Highway to motorway (between Lithgow and 
> Wallerawang).
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35571830
> Maxspeed is 110 for some of this, 100 for the rest, road is divided - however 
> there is only one ‘interchange’ (part of this is an at-grade junction). other 
> road junctions are at-grade intersections (not interchanges).
> It also isn’t technically limited access - there is a motel and a service 
> station beside the road, and I recall at least one driveway. (I’ll be driving 
> on this road in a few days so I can check if needed.)
> I’m in two minds about whether to revert this change or not. What does 
> everyone else think?


Mark P.


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Re: [talk-au] Northern NSW again

[Leon Kernan]

I would been inclined to go with trunk too since it's an A road and has
local access like you said.

There are some missing one way tags and a section not joined at the
southern end too.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Mark Pulley  wrote:

> I’ve now been past this area to check the access on this section of the
> Great Western Highway. Between Lithgow and the Mudgee turn-off, there are
> several properties with access from the highway - this includes houses just
> next to the road (with the front yard facing the highway), and a service
> station. I’m inclined to return this section of highway from motorway to
> trunk. What does everyone else think?
>
> On 20 Dec 2015, at 9:11 am, Mark Pulley  wrote:
> > On 19 Dec 2015, at 1:20 pm, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> >> Just for info, I've suggested that a relatively new mapper in Northern
> NSW might want to contact other mappers here in a comment on
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35480438 (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/332351666 is clearly unjoined, but
> there may be other issues).
> >
> > I’ve just noticed that the same user has ‘corrected' the road type for a
> section of the Great Western Highway to motorway (between Lithgow and
> Wallerawang).
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35571830
> > Maxspeed is 110 for some of this, 100 for the rest, road is divided -
> however there is only one ‘interchange’ (part of this is an at-grade
> junction). other road junctions are at-grade intersections (not
> interchanges).
> > It also isn’t technically limited access - there is a motel and a
> service station beside the road, and I recall at least one driveway. (I’ll
> be driving on this road in a few days so I can check if needed.)
> > I’m in two minds about whether to revert this change or not. What does
> everyone else think?
>
>
> Mark P.
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Northern NSW again

[Mark Pulley]

On 19 Dec 2015, at 1:20 pm, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just for info, I've suggested that a relatively new mapper in Northern NSW 
> might want to contact other mappers here in a comment on 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35480438 
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/332351666 is clearly unjoined, but there 
> may be other issues).


I’ve just noticed that the same user has ‘corrected' the road type for a 
section of the Great Western Highway to motorway (between Lithgow and 
Wallerawang).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35571830

Maxspeed is 110 for some of this, 100 for the rest, road is divided - however 
there is only one ‘interchange’ (part of this is an at-grade junction). other 
road junctions are at-grade intersections (not interchanges).

It also isn’t technically limited access - there is a motel and a service 
station beside the road, and I recall at least one driveway. (I’ll be driving 
on this road in a few days so I can check if needed.)

I’m in two minds about whether to revert this change or not. What does everyone 
else think?

Mark P.


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Re: [talk-au] Northern NSW again

[Warin]

On 19/12/2015 1:49 PM, Leon Kernan wrote:

Pretty sure I read that section has just opened.
They're probably someone from Skyscrapercity or Aussie-Highways google 
group who are on the ball.


I admit I tend to leave proposed and construction ways unjoined, which 
is a trap if someone else just changes the tags without looking 
closely at the ends.


I would hope that proposed and under construction things have tags/notes 
to indicate that.




On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Andy Townsend > wrote:


Hi,

Just for info, I've suggested that a relatively new mapper in
Northern NSW might want to contact other mappers here in a comment
on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35480438
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/332351666 is clearly unjoined,
but there may be other issues).

It's a similar area and the same mapper as in the thread
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2015-January/010499.html
.  Maybe there's been a major road project there, but there do
seem to be quite a lot of deletions in that changeset - it might
need a local to double-check that things haven't been deleted by
mistake.

Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [talk-au] Northern NSW again

[Leon Kernan]

Pretty sure I read that section has just opened.
They're probably someone from Skyscrapercity or Aussie-Highways google
group who are on the ball.

I admit I tend to leave proposed and construction ways unjoined, which is a
trap if someone else just changes the tags without looking closely at the
ends.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just for info, I've suggested that a relatively new mapper in Northern NSW
> might want to contact other mappers here in a comment on
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35480438 (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/332351666 is clearly unjoined, but
> there may be other issues).
>
> It's a similar area and the same mapper as in the thread
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2015-January/010499.html
> .  Maybe there's been a major road project there, but there do seem to be
> quite a lot of deletions in that changeset - it might need a local to
> double-check that things haven't been deleted by mistake.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
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