[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap 11th birthday
Sunday, 09 August is the official OpenStreetMap birthday this year. And the project is turning 11. What an exciting age! Organize and host a celebration for mappers in your area and post the details on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_11th_Anniversary_Birthday_party In Toronto, we're having our monthly Mappy Hour on Monday, 10 August. Join us for all sorts of wonderful mappy conversation. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/224421177/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Toronto OpenStreetMap events May 2015
Hello all, Mappy Hour (Tonight!) Monday 11 May 2015 http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/52392/ - Meet and discuss OpenStreetMap topics over refreshments. Newcomers welcome. Questions welcome. OpenStreetMap presentation by Stewart Russell Tuesday 12 May 2015 http://gtalug.org/meeting/2015-05/ - Formal presentation including Question and Answer. #maptime Thursday 28 May 2015 http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/221436512/ - Collaborative projects, peer coaching and discussion. Newcomers welcome. Bring your computer to work on your projects. See you there! ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Imported data by 'Feldo'
Martijn is referring to import errors near the Québec / Labrador border. On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:54 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I'm looking at some potentially misguided import attempt. Some duplicate ways like these ones look suspicious to me: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/330950347/history#map=17/51.46519/-57.24176 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/330950410/history Is this a known problem? Is Feldo on this list? I can message him/her but as this looks like it happened a couple months ago I thought I'd ask on the list first. Martijn van Exel skype: mvexel ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto OpenStreetMap events May 2015
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Colin McGregor colin.mc...@gmail.com wrote: Some words of warning regarding GTALug. Hi Colin, This is the second time that you have mentioned your unpleasant experience with GTALug on this list, in the context of the OpenStreetMap presentation that they have scheduled. I am sincerely sorry that you had an experience that was so unpleasant. I expect that I will attend Stewart's presentation tomorrow. This may seem like I am ignoring Colin's advice to stay away. I will also keep Colin's description of his experience in mind. I think that both Stewart and Colin are nice folks, so I do my best to be supportive of both of them. Also, Stewart has promised a kazoo solo. :-) Beyond that, discussion of GTALug is probably off-topic, unless there are specific examples from which we might take lessons for our on-line and in-person communities. Best Regards and Happy Mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Mappy Hour Toronto tonight
Mappy Hour events are for discussion of all things OpenStreetMap. Join us for refreshments and conversation. Beginners always welcome. Feel free to pass this along to your friends in the area who haven't quite gotten into OpenStreetMap yet. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/221234272/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Last few days: State of the Map 2016: Call for Venues
Dear All, The Call for Venues to host State of the Map 2016 is open for a few more days. Do you wish that your town / region could host State of the Map? It isn't too late. Get a team of locals together and assemble a bid. Have a look at the example bids, and the bids submitted so far. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues If you have any questions about preparing a bid and/or hosting State of the Map, contact the State of the Map Working Group t...@stateofthemap.org Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Business incubator
Hi Yves! On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Yves Moisan ymoi...@videotron.ca wrote: Folks, Our old police station was turned into a business incubator : [ ... ] 2) I added the addr:* info to the point symbol, not the building outline (canvec import). I'm thinking the addr.* info really belongs to the building, as that's the only thing with a street address (with maybe I agree. Address information generally applied to the building. The current building-polygon, with a contained building-point is an unusual construction. I would expect only one database item for the building. Either the point OR the polygon, but not both. Case in point : there are close to ten businesses in there now, one being a DIY shop that I would really like to map. So should I name the building outline with the name of the incubator (the container) and remove the point symbol altogether, then add point symbols only for the constituent businesses that are hosted in the incubator? That sounds great. i use the same concept in mapping small shopping areas, where one building contains a row of retail stores. Address on the containing building polygon, then several shop=something / name=SomeThing points as appropriate. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Business incubator
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Yves Moisan ymoi...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Richard ! Thanx for your answer. OK to tag addr.* to the building outline and remove them from the building symbol. Still, I'd like to see an obvious point mark for the incubator on the map. For now, I resort to a building point feature but it would be neat if there were some generic commercial or business symbol. Otherwise, the map will show point features for individual constituent businesses in the incubator, but not the incubator itself, which bugs me. You say you do the same for shopping marts. Do you have an example I could look at ? I would expect to see Shopping Center XYZ alongside the consitituent shops on the map. So if there's a way to avoid having a point symbol to highlight the container name on the map, I'm all for it. Searching for Jamieson Estate Plaza, We find : http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/31725282#map=19/43.42331/-80.28583 So, even though the name of the container-building isn't rendered in this specific renderer we find the right data, without surprising duplicates. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Jeux d'eau
2015-03-22 18:09 GMT-04:00 Bruno Remy bremy.qc...@gmail.com: Bonjour à tous, D'après vous, quel serait le tag idéal pour les fontaines-jeux d'eau installées dans les parcs municipaux pour enfants? Exemple: http://soucyaquatik.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/neuville-81-600x380.jpg leisure=water_park me parait dédié à des grosse installations de type parc à thème, donc inapproprié. It's commonly called a splash pad, but tag usage seems scattered. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=splash_pad#values http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splash_pad ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba Snowmobile trails
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] Additionally, thoughts on how to reach out to IndyGord would be appreciated. Same as for any other mapper, when you have thoughts to share about their mapping. These are in the order I type them, not of significance. :-) - site-mail. You can send a message to other users from your editing API account on OpenStreetMap.org. 1) log in to OpenStreetMap.org with your editing API account details. 2) visit the profile of the user in question. In this case I had to try a few because the case and spacing matters. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Indygord 3) press send message and let them know what is on your mind. Offer constructive criticism or compliments. - user contact info. They might have an email address or web site address, in their user profile page. Same as above to visit the profile page. - changeset discussions. 1) Starting with the database object that has your attention, find the changeset that caused the issue. Perhaps, https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29000428 2) Add your thoughts to the discussion box. Discussions are public. Be nice and presume that the mapper wanted to do the right thing. - reach out to them via this list, the main talk list, or the various IRC channels. - chat with them at local mapper events. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016
The Call for Venues for State of the Map 2016 is now open. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues Build a team for your city and bid to host the OpenStreetMap conference. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways
Don't use prefixes or adulterate the ref with extra characters. Use the network tag for that information. http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=network%3Dca_on_county ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Speaker wanted: Toronto
There is a Toronto GNU/Linux group seeking a speaker on OpenStreetMap for their event in either April or May. Let me know if you are interested. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Bid: State of the Map - Toronto 2015
Dear All, The Toronto bid for State of the Map 2015 was not accepted, so we won't be hosting State of the Map 2015 in Toronto. I want to thank the hard-working members of the Toronto bid team; you enabled us to assemble a wonderful bid on a preposterously short deadline. Well done, and thank you for committing your time and experience and for believing in our goal of hosting the best OpenStreetMap conference ever. Thank you also to the many vendors who were able to meet our request for quotes on the aforementioned preposterously short deadlines. They delivered on time. Thanks further for being so patient and understanding when the Toronto bid team had to ask for extension after extension to the proposal period when faced with missed deadlines and non-decisions from the SotM-WG. There will be an official announcement from the State of the Map Working Group some time soon with other details. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Help Importing York Region Data to OpenStreetMap
You should not proceed with this import. The plan description on the wiki has several show-stopper problems. From a quick scan of the wiki: - multiple users on one account. Don't do that. :-) Each of your employees who try to edit OpenStreetMap must have their own accounts. Pro Tip: Have them use their real names, and not something like York Region GIS Team #1 We OpenStreetMap contributors are real live humans, not faceless administrative drones, even if we play the role of faceless administrative drone at work. - parcels. Parcel data is contentious and problematic in OpenStreetMap. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel - there are likely other problems. This plan needs careful, expert review. Have any of your employees contributed to OpenStreetMap outside of this project? If not, they may be in for a tough learning curve. Importing data is not for a newcomer. You should have years of real OpenStreetMap experience before attempting an import. If the OpenStreetMap community takes an interest in the York Region data they will convert, conflate, adapt, correct it, and then contribute it to OpenStreetMap. So you don't have to go crazy with your limited regional budget. The volunteers / experts will do it. Do you have Open Data for building outlines? Building outline data is widely accepted in OpenStreetMap as being useful and worthwhile. Building outlines make a better home for address point data than a disembodied point, or a parcel centroid / parcel outline. Do you have newer and or higher resolution aerial imagery? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Adding Buildings + Leisure + Corrections To Ottawa Map Over Holiday Season
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Adam Martin s.adam.mar...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] I don't believe that the postal data in Geocoder is particularly accurate. You can help, by improving geocoder.ca with the address information that you know. That improvement will help OpenStreetMap via nominatim. :-) The founder of geocoder.ca (yes, the one being sued by canada post) was a speaker at State of the Map - Buenos Aires, just a few weeks ago. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Region of York Data Imports
Hi Stephanie, Thank you for your interest in the OpenStreetMap project. Glad to hear that York Region is publishing Open Data. Since York Region has published the data, and since you've told us about it, you've probably done everything that you need to do, now, as far as making the data available for OpenStreetMap contributors to consider it for inclusion in the OpenStreetMap database. The OpenStreetMap community has stringent guidelines around the inclusion of external data sources. Interested members of the community are now able to start that process of evaluating the license, and the data that you have brought to our attention. If those community members have any further questions, should they reach out to you here on the list, or by direct email? Also, there are twice-monthly events in Toronto that OpenStreetMap contributors, and map and data enthusiasts find interesting. Please join us at MappyHourTO, or #maptimeTO, some time. The schedule is kept online, here. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ Best regards and happy mapping, Richard Please note that OpenStreetMap is a registered trade mark and is properly spelled OpenStreetMap - many capitals, and no spaces, because we are trying to map the many capitols of the World, and leave no gaps. :-) It's a common mistake to add spaces or drop the capitals. Don't feel bad about it. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Municipal data source attribution
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Steve Singer st...@ssinger.info wrote: What is the current procedure for meeting the attribution requirement of a municipal data-source released under the 'Open Government Licence ? I've taken the cautious approach, in past, and asked for explicit permission from the publishers. There are a couple of reasons for this. - most publishers are new to Open Data - OGL is new and only just barely worse than the garbage that preceded it. - The attribution mechanism used in OpenStreetMap (entry on imports wiki pages) might surprise some publishers - the CT requirement to clear future rights for future license changes makes explicit informed permission really valuable. best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] State of the Map 2014 2015
Hi All, I hope that you have your flight booked for State of the Map next weekend in Buenos Aires. It should be great fun. Start thinking now about how you are going to get to State of the Map next year. We don't know where State of the Map 2015 will be, yet. That should be announced in BA on 9 Nov. at the closing ceremonies. For now, have a look at the venue bids to see list list of potential sites for SotM 2015. Any of those look interesting to you? How about Toronto? I hope that you will support the Toronto bid by tweeting and writing about your support during this next week. OpenStreetMap events are great fun. Join the fun. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2015/Call_for_venues ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM country interviews
Ed would like a Canadian mapper for a State of Canada interview. Contact him directly, or ask me to introduce if you like. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ed Freyfogle e...@lokku.com Date: Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 6:40 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM country interviews To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, many years ago at SotMs there used to be a track of talks in which the speaker would present the state of OSM in their country or region - the community, the unique challenges, etc. I always really enjoyed those talks because they were a chance to learn about the diversity of the world while also reminding us that we're all the same in our desire to create a great and open map. Like the vast majority of OSMers I won't be able to attend SotM this year (though I will be at WhereCamp Berlin please say hello if you're there), but I'm fortunate to have a job that lets me work on OSM. I'm one of the people behind the OpenCage geocoder: http://geocoder.opencagedata.com We thought we'd revive the country report tradition by interviewing people from the different communities on our blog. We've done a few now, listed below. Hope you enjoy them, and if you'd like to tell the world about OSM in our part of the world we'd love to hear from you enjoy, Ed The interviews so far: Indonesia: http://blog.opencagedata.com/post/100941606733/country-profile-state-of-openstreetmap-in-indonesia Basque Country: http://blog.opencagedata.com/post/100820580653/country-profile-state-of-openstreetmap-in-the-basque Bangladesh: http://blog.opencagedata.com/post/99749986348/country-profile-state-of-openstreetmap-in-bangladesh Ireland: http://blog.opencagedata.com/post/99554636383/country-profile-state-of-openstreetmap-in-ireland Chile: http://blog.opencagedata.com/post/98916200238/country-profile-state-of-openstreetmap-in-chile Scotland: http://blog.opencagedata.com/post/98216589988/open-geo-interview-series-state-of-osm-in-scotland We also do interviews in general with anyone doing interesting things in open geo data generally or OSM specifically. See http://blog.opencagedata.com Final note - would especially love to interview anyone who's done on the ground mapping in Antarctica or similarly remote place. ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OSM scheduled maintenance this weekend.
There will be a brief maintenance window Sunday morning, London (England) time, during which all database and editing API reliant services will be unavailable. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/October_2014_server_maintenance We'll probably sleep through it. :-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: SotM Buenos Aires Program published!
-- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:56 PM Subject: SotM Buenos Aires Program published! To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org t...@openstreetmap.org Hello all, Have a look at the State of the Map Program for Buenos Aires, Argentina. And then get your tickets and book your flights! http://www.stateofthemap.org/program ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Your chance to host State of the Map 2015
-- Forwarded message --
From: Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:46 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Your chance to host State of the Map 2015
To: OpenStreetMap t...@openstreetmap.org
Hi list members,
State of the Map conferences are a great way to bring the community
together, reach out to new members and promote innovation. I am
delighted to see that the OpenStreetMap Foundation have committed to
continuing State of the Map in 2015.
The OSMF annual SOTM complements local SOTMs {EU, US, Scotland, etc}
and to me one of the big benefits is that the Foundation remains
committed to taking SOTM to new places. Now it's your chance to host
:-)
The call for locations for SOTM 2015 is now open:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2015/Call_for_venues
So why are you still reading this, get bidding :-)
Regards,
Rob
SotM 2013 (Birmingham) local team
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[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap community diversity
Hi all, There have been recent discussions on several OpenStreetMap lists[1] about community diversity, in one form or another. I recommend that you take a scan through those discussions. As a gross over-simplification, The OpenStreetMap community is mainly male. Women and other demographic groups are not well represented. Increased diversity will be beneficial to OpenStreetMap. Let us each take concrete steps to make OpenStreetMap more diverse. The Toronto event organizing team, Steve, Stewart and I, have taken one step towards improved diversity, by adding an anti-harassment statement[2] that applies to OpenStreetMap events that we organize. The statement is included in upcoming event announcements as well as the information page linked below. For Toronto OpenStreetMap Enthusiasts, that means that this applies to OpenStreetMap Mappy Hour and other events, as well as #maptimeTO #maptime events. Our goal has always been to attend[3] fun events where we can learn, and share, about OpenStreetMap with other interested parties. Everybody with an interest in OpenStreetMap should be able to attend and participate to the best of their ability and without discrimination. My questions to you, the wider Canadian audience, are as follows: 1) Will you help to draft a similar statement en français for this list? 2) How you addressing diversity / inclusion in your local groups? 3) What shall we implement now? 4) What will we work towards in the near future? And as always, if you haven't attended an OpenStreetMap event to meet with other mappers, you should do that! We're fun! And talking about our shared interest in OpenStreetMap is fun and informative. Best regards, Richard [1] see talk@, osmf-talk@ and diversity-talk@ for background. [2] http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/pages/Anti-harassment_statement [3] even if we have to organize them ourselves :-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Toronto event reminder
Hi all, As is our custom, monthly Mappy Hour events continue in Toronto. Join us tonight, or one night any month, to meet for conversation and camaraderie around OpenStreetMap. Newcomers, and visitors to Toronto are welcome! We started hosting monthly #maptime events recently, for discussion and self-study around web maps. As with Mappy Hour, newcomers are welcome. We keep our schedules here, http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto so you can have a look at any time. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SOTM in Buenos Aires: Call for Papers
Oops. Don't know how this got missed. CfP Buenos Aires closes soon. Get your talk proposals in. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM in Buenos Aires: Call for Papers To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, I just noticed that this mailing list hasn't had an announcement for that so even if I'm not involved with the conference (*) here's a reminder that you have another 10 days, until September 14th, to submit presentations for this year's international State of the Map conference in Buenos Aires. Details are here: http://stateofthemap.org/CfP Spread the word! Bye Frederik (*) other than being a participant, that is! -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Coastline or not coastline
Regarding the remote mappers who are blindly editing local mapper tagging conventions on the St. Lawrence River. In addition to notifying DWG, be sure to also inform the remote mappers. I recognize those two IDs and think they are both a long way from Canada, and thus unlikely to be monitoring talk-ca@. Let the remote mappers know that local mappers are maintaining those river areas, and their repeated changes are unexpected, add no merit, and may be considered an edit war. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Foundation Corporate Members
Since February 2014 your company can support OpenStreetMap Foundation with a corporate membership. The first corporate members were announced today. https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/07/20/welcome-corporate-members/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap 10th Birthday Party: Toronto
The tenth anniversary of OpenStreetMap is coming up in just a few weeks. Several cities are holding local events to celebrate the local surveyors who make OpenStreetMap data the best, the most complete, the most current geographic data everywhere. The Toronto community has just updated their event. Please, consider yourself part of the Toronto community and join us here if you are able to do so! We'd love to see you in person.[1] If you can't make it to Toronto, and there isn't any event already planned near you, this might be the right time for you to organize an event. Do it. Kick-start your local community. There could be a dozen quiet local mappers waiting for somebody else to organize the event. That's you. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_10th_Anniversary_Birthday_party Best Regards and Happy Mapping, Richard [1] The monthly Toronto Mappy Hour was this week and we had the good fortune of a visit from a long time mapper who happened to be visiting the area. That was great. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Street Centerlines in County of Grey, Ontario, Canada
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Shah,Soham soham.s...@grey.ca wrote: Hello, The GIS department at the County of Grey, Ontario was interested in updating the street centerline data with our Grey County Road Data, which we believe is more precise, both in terms of centerline placement and road labelling. I was thinking of using the JOSM Editor utility to bulk import the data. I read on the ‘Import process guidelines’ wiki that street centerlines can be very difficult to import. So, I am looking for some guidance and opinions of the OSM community to know if this is a viable import project. Hi Soham, Great to have you on this list and interested in OpenStreetMap. Fortunately there is a large and active OpenStreetMap community in Ontario. Come and join us at one of our events[1], and you'll be able to get a detailed introduction to both OpenStreetMap and our community. The short, and seemingly discouraging, answer is, Don't bulk update anything in the OpenStreetMap database. While seemingly discouraging, that message is important, and is the product of many years of active improvement of OpenStreetMap data. You can get a more detailed response at an event. We really don't want to discourage you if you thought that just uploading it to OpenStreetMap would be a quick and easy way to open your data and to improve a great open data. Those goals are admirable and are to be encouraged. As Daniel said earlier, an even easier way to get those same benefits is to publish your data with an open license. Once you do that, OpenStreetMap _and any other open data consumer_ can then benefit from your publication of open data. When you publish open data, publish that data under the Open Data Commons Public Domain Dedication and License[2]. It is the only right answer. Again, long answer and fascinating discussion available at our events. And thanks again for your interest in OpenStreetMap. use Best regards, Richard [1] http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ [2] http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/pddl/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down
see attached notice of scheduled maintenance. Thank you, sysadmins, for your endless efforts on our behalf. -- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down To: annou...@openstreetmap.org, Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Dev List d...@openstreetmap.org On Saturday 5th of July 2014 between 09:00 and 19:00 (GMT / UTC) we are moving our servers hosted by University College London to another data center. The following services WILL be affected: * Search (nominatim.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. [1] * Slower map updates / Reduced tile rendering capacity. (Yevaud outage) * OSM Foundation websites and blog.openstreetmap.org will be unavailable. * Taginfo (taginfo.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. * Development Server (errol) will be unavailable. * Some imagery services will be unavailable. (GPX Render, OS Streetview, OOC, AGRI, CD:NGI aerial) Other OpenStreetMap provided services should not be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * www.openstreetmap.org web site WILL allow edits as per normal (iD or Potlatch). * API will allow map editing (using iD, JOSM, Merkaartor etc.) * Forum * trac (bug-tracker) * help.openstreetmap.org * tile serving (View The Map Export) * Wiki * mailing lists * subversion and git (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: We are moving all the servers listed here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers#UCL_-_In_Use to a new UCL data center. The current building is being closed soon for refurbishment. The new data center has better server racks, power feeds, cooling and faster networking. [1] Searches through the website will still work - we will redirect them to another nominatim instance temporarily. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Canadian OSM POI quality
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I was curious how complete OpenStreetMap shop data was, so decided to do an analysis for some Canadian chains. The results were mixed. [Cool analysis clipped, go read it. :-) ] Thanks for this, Paul. It will be interesting to see change over time, should you choose to run this again each quarter or year. Some inconsistencies are well earned. Tim Hortons, and some other chains have changed their names since we started mapping them.[1] [2] If you map from survey, you might still find old signage with the earlier version of the name. That doesn't mean that we should slavishly replicate Ye Olde Spellings, but might be of interest to some. [1] http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/the-secret-to-gaining-success-in-quebec/article1124389/ [2] http://www.copyediting.com/legend-qu-becs-war-apostrophes ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Maptime/OSM meetup for those in the Windsor Ontario area
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Mita Williams mita.willi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I hope you don't mind using talk-ca to find OSMappers in the Windsor, Ontario region to let them know that we'll be talking about OpenStreetMap at a Maptime meetup at Hackforge: http://www.meetup.com/Windsor-Hackforge/events/180790802/ I've only been involved with contributing to OSM for about a year so if there are more seasoned OSMers around, I would love for them to be a part of our event. You can contact myself for information if you would like to know more Awesome. You'll have fun. Meeting other mappers is great. We're setting up maptime in Toronto as well as the existing Mappy Hour. Our organizational meeting is at Mappy Hour, tomorrow (today) Monday. Join us. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/160708772/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [Talk-de] OSM Poland POI contest
Contest aimed at on-the-ground-survey-mappers. This contest is being run by OpenStreetMap contributors in Poland. Mappy Mapping. -- Forwarded message -- From: nomycna Gazeta.pl nomy...@gazeta.pl Date: Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:45 AM Subject: [Talk-de] OSM Poland POI contest To: talk...@openstreetmap.org, talk...@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org I am happy to announce that OpenStreetMap Poland (Polish organization promoting OSM) is organizing contest about enriching OSM data with POI information. Each OpenStreetMap user over age of 13 can take part in it. To win the contest, one has to be a person who adds the most of items with one of keys: amenity, leisure, tourism, sport and historic during the month of May. Added points' data has to be based on local knowledge (no mapping form behind a desk). The prizes are Garmin GPS navigators (first place: Garmin eTrex 30, second: Garmin eTrex 20, third: Garmin eTrex 10). More information about the contest (currently only in Polish) can be found at http://osmapa.pl/konkurs/, detailed rules (also in Polish) are located at https://docs.google.com/document/d/17kVTGb-Yjei8GIzIsaHxLdTpBEbwU3GYZo7U2EBpJ6Q/edit?usp=sharing. Please pass the information about the contest. If you have any questions you can ask question at talk...@openstreetmap.org . Good luck! -- Nomycna ___ Talk-de mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Adding a trail to OSM that is also a road
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Brian Lang bril...@gmail.com wrote: I have added part of the Trans Canada Trail between Chilliwack, BC and Chilliwack Lake to OSM. I've designated it as Bridleway with foot=yes and bicycle=yes. I've also marked it as network=ncn and added incline=x% where appropriate. This trail has been added from my own GPS tracks. Good job. :-) Local mapping and checking multiple sources is a good way to do it. I have now come to a stretch of trail that is also a road. How should I add the trail to OSM for the section that is the Liumchen Forest Service Road where that road is also the Trans Canada Trail? The road is not always open to vehicles, but it is at present. Responding with only general impressions as I have no local knowledge. Where a trail shares another bit of infrastructure, like a road, I'd probably tag the road sections first, in a way that would be expected for the road. Then I'd split the way(s) where the trail joins and leaves the road(s). I would not change the tagging of the road ways. I would add the road ways between the trail entry and exit to the trail route relation. I find that process to be a simple way to tag the aspects of the way (surface=asphalt, lanes=2, oneway=yes, etc.) and the aspects of the route name=Trans Canada Trail, horse=yes, bicycle=yes, etc. Does that help? Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector has world-wide address view
Address inspector tool now spans the globe! See Frederik's announcement -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector has world-wide address view To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, the OSMI addresses view is now available world-wide (it just had Europe before). The code that runs the analyses behind it is based on the new Osmium library and is available on Github. The new view is available now on OSMI (http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi). This blog entry has more details: http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=309 I wish to thank Geotab Inc. who are sponsoring the server that runs the analyses, as well as Lukas Toggenburger, who re-implemented the checks in C++ so that everything is fast enough for world-wide processing (we had been using an SQL based process before). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SOTM-FR in Paris on April 4 to 6th...
The OpenStreetMap local chapter in France is hosting a conference in Paris 04 - 06 April 2014. Register now. Presentations are in French. OpenStreetMap France Vendredi 4 avril 2014 à 09:30 - Dimanche 6 avril 2014 à 18:00 (heure avancée d'Europe centrale Heure : France) Paris, France -- Forwarded message -- From: Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr Date: Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM-FR in Paris on April 4 to 6th... To: OpenStreetMap t...@openstreetmap.org Only 2 weeks to register to SOTM-FR... meet the froggy mappers in Paris from 4th to 6th April http://openstreetmap.fr/SOTMFR2014 2014-02-25 0:18 GMT+01:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Short update... already more than 200 registrations received for SOTM-FR which will take place in Paris from April 4th to 6th. Do not wait too much if you want to attend... 2014-01-22 0:20 GMT+01:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Registration opened today: http://www.eventbrite.fr/e/billets-state-of-the-map-france-2014-10263581649 More details (in french): http://openstreetmap.fr/SOTMFR2014 -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Conférence State Of The Map France du 4 au 6 avril à Paris ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] imaginary mapping (401 and Hurontario)
Hello all, There was a new mapper who changed the traffic pattern of highway 401 near Hurontario recently. With help from Steve's gps trace I've repaired it to the best of my ability. There was also an update to be made because of the legitimately new traffic pattern in the area after the recent construction. The new mapper was contacted and gently pointed toward some more conventional mapping practices but has not yet replied. If you are here, say hi! :-) To review for new mailing list readers, the OpenStreetMap data base is for current existing geographic data. You can play with OSM data to build hypothetical or historic workls, but don't do that in the real data base. You can use either the developers data base, or a private data base that you host yourself for those activities. Ask, if you wish to do these things and need more instruction. If you are interested in mapping historical objects (which have no current geographic presence) there is a mailing list for that! The challenges to that type of mapping are many, so get involved in the discussion and benefit from the experienced voice on that list. So, the 401 construction should be reflected in good order at the moment. Check and improve my work please, if you are local and have new GPS traces. Watch out for aerial imagery in that area! The construction is newer than the aerial imagery! Best regards and Happy Mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SOTM-EU 2014 visitor registration now open
If you have been considering attending an OpenStreetMap conference, and you can't get to State of the Map in Argentina this November, consider SotM-EU in Germany, in June. Previous SotM-EU were wonderful. Well worth the trip. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:47 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM-EU 2014 visitor registration now open To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, you can now register for the SOTM-EU 2014 in June in Karsruhe, at http://www.sotm-eu.org/. Early Bird tickets are EUR 55. Also, a number of rooms have been reserved in nearby hotels and can be booked from now on; a list of hotels is also up on the web site. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Tenth Birthday of OpenStreetMap
Really? Ten?!?! OpenStreetMap is growing so quickly; it seems like just last year OSM was learning to walk. :-) Tradition has been to host local events for mappers to attend, meet and celebrate. Toronto has hosted several of these, and you should join us if you are nearby. (I expect we'll do it again but details are tentative at the moment) Now is a great time to start planning your local event. It would be great to have an OpenStreetMap event is each provincial / territorial capital for the OpenStreetMap tenth birthday. Can you help to make this happen? Hey, let's not leave out other cities. Organize an event! ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: workflow for elevation data
oops. Should have gone to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] workflow for elevation data To: Charles Basenga Kiyanda perso...@charleskiyanda.com On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Charles Basenga Kiyanda perso...@charleskiyanda.com wrote: [ ... ] Specific question: We don't store elevation data in osm in a standard fashion and I was hoping I could show the volunteer organization a tentative alternate workflow that would be as little work for them as possible and also give them an incentive to keep the osm trail data accurate. I think that the main issue here is how do they want to see / use the elevation data? There are several existing styles / tiles that use contours and or hill shading. There may also be contours and hill shading that are available as overly layers for you to add to your own styles. (If their aren't, that may be an idea for a value add service. ;-) ) There was a service, run by long time OpenStreetMap user lambertus, that displayed an elevation profile graph of a selected way. That specific source is gone or moved now, but this wiki page shows some of the similar details from a related summer of code project. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Route_altitude_profiles_SRTM It also appears that the routing engine YOURS can interpret elevation data to apply variable costing when evaluating or planning routes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/YOURS And there are certainly more things that we can do with elevation that are interesting, depending on the audience. Is that enough to get you started? But, yeah. The elevation data doesn't go into the OSM data base. Others have used SRTM to inform their OSM objects of elevation matters and then done interesting this with it. I gave an Intro to OpenStreetMap talk to some trail folks recently. It would be great to see them contributing to and benefiting from OpenStreetMap. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] workflow for elevation data
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Charles Basenga Kiyanda perso...@charleskiyanda.com wrote: [elevation stuff is cool] Tee hee. Here is a trip down memory lane. I wrote an email to the main talk list in 2008 about some elevation stuff that was new at the time. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-September/029301.html ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Nouvelle licence de données ouvertes au Québec
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Eh good news for OSM-Quebec community then. Let's wait for the official confirmation of the exact license adopted. I disagree. Any license drafted or adopted by a Canadian government, other than a no-restrictions, equivalent-to-Public-Domain-license, like ODC-PDDL, will require a waiver or clarification from the municipality (or province / territory, or feds) that attribution as provided by OpenStreetMap (wiki page, probably listed on a sub-page) meets their interpretation of attribution. So, adoption of CC-anything-but-0 is bad for local OSM communities. It would likely work out okay in the end for those local OpenStreetMap communities. To my knowledge, every municipality approached for such a waiver has granted it. To OpenStreetMap Foundation at least. For the Open Data community at large, and for the municipality / governement itself, adoption of any restricting license is a disaster. For one thing, not every potential open project will be on the radar of a municipality in the same way that OpenStreetMap is. Too bad for that potential Open Data Project. Perhaps they'll get the waiver they need, perhaps they won't. Again, any government open data publication in Canada must be licensed ODC-PDDL, or else it is a not-open-enough-closed-data-failure. Another sign of bizarre, Open-blindness. I've had government open data representatives say to me, the equivalent of, So what if the license says something complicated. It's open, just do what you want. We won't go after anybody who breaks the license. We just need to be able to shut down anybody who embarrasses us. Ahem. No. 0) If you plan to grant wavers and exemptions anyway, why not just use an unrestricted license? Oh, did you want to only grant exemptions for projects / persons of whom you approve? That doesn't sound very open. 1) If you don't plan to enforce your license terms, why select (or worse, why draft) a license with restrictions? Select ODC-PDDL instead. 2) If you want developers to work with your data, do you want developers who care enough to read, understand and follow your terms, or not? Because your license with restrictions just cut out a portion of those developers. You can still keep the developers that don't read licenses, or don't care about the terms. Congratulations. 3) What, you want to shut down a use of the data that embarrasses you? No. It doesn't work that way. If Open Data can be shown to expose that your mayor is a pathologically lying, bullying, drug addict with possible links to organized crime, you don't get to shut down the analysis just because your boss finds it embarrassing. (It's just a hypothetical example) 4) If you really do plan to grant a waiver or exemption to every project / user who asks for it, shouldn't you have selected an unrestricted Open Data License that didn't place the burden of that extra waiver step upon you (and each potential user) ? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [OSM-legal-talk] Nouvelle licence de données ouvertes au Québec
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Mike Linksvayer m...@gondwanaland.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: [ ... ] Again, any government open data publication in Canada must be licensed ODC-PDDL, or else it is a not-open-enough-closed-data-failure. I agree that all PSI ought be public domain, with ODC-PDDL or CC0 or some other public domain instrument, since the sane default isn't the default. But calling attribution-only terms a closed-data-failure (BTW, what does that make ODbL? Is OSM the only entity in the world that can use non public domain terms and not be a closed data fail?) seems over the top. Government Open Data, and OpenStreetMap Open Data are different kettles of fish. And so different goal posts apply to each. Government Open Data is more-correctly Citizen Open Data. For that same government to attempt to then restrict the use of that data by the citizens who own it, and pay for it (and, in fact who own the government :-) ) well, that's the part that is over the top. :-) OpenStreetMap data is created by the OpenStreetMap contributors. Where those same contributors decide to place themselves, as a group, along the Open Spectrum has nothing to do with government, er, *strikeover* citizen data. It might also be a a long-standing and heated discussion amongst those same contributors. :-) Thanks, Mike. Cheers. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Nouvelle licence de données ouvertes au Québec
It is a continuing source of frustration to me that Canadian municipalities believe that they may attach any conditions to the data of the citizens. They may not. They must not. Municipalities, provinces / territories and the federal government serve at the pleasure of the citizens. The citizens permit the various governments to collect certain data required to effectively do the jobs that the citizens demand of the governments. The citizens do not permit the governments to restrict the use of this data in any way. The governments MUST publish that part of the collected data that is suitable for publication*. For any level of government to NOT YET be publishing the data of their citizens is for that government to demonstrate itself as incompetent. The government IS NOT mandated by the citizens to include ANY restrictions on the data of the citizens. (that data which is suitable for publication) The data of the citizens MUST be published as public domain data. Since Canadian data law makes no allowance for publication as public domain data, such data must be published under ODC-PDDL. For a municipality to insist on any restriction to the use of the citizens published data is a demonstration of incompetence and ignorance. For a municipality to insist on attribution is a demonstration of monstrous ego. ODC-PDDL is the correct license for Open Data published by Canadian governments. Attribution licenses, regardless of license publisher / maintainer are not. * Data suitable for publication excludes the data that citizens insist that the government hold securely. Medical and other sensitive data is not suitable for publication as Open Data. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap enhances user privacy
http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/02/11/osm-enhances-user-privacy/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Introduction: Matt Dance
Hi Matt, And welcome. There is a mailing list for historical mapping, the main OSM database is only for objects as they currently exist. Lost of interesting discussion on the historical list, and many interesting challenges to make it all work correctly. :-) I'm interested in aboriginal mapping and rendered maps in aboriginal languages as few years back. It would be super to have more data from and by first nations. There is a continuing multi lingual map project that might interest you. So welcome, happy mapping and thanks for introducing yourself! Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SOTM-FR in Paris on April 4 to 6th...
-- Forwarded message -- From: Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr Date: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 6:20 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM-FR in Paris on April 4 to 6th... To: OpenStreetMap t...@openstreetmap.org Registration opened today: http://www.eventbrite.fr/e/billets-state-of-the-map-france-2014-10263581649 More details (in french): http://openstreetmap.fr/SOTMFR2014 -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Winnipeg Mappy Hour -Interested?
Awesome! Three makes a great start. Others will be welcome as well, of course. Lianne, you'll be contributing just by being there. If you decide to ask questions, that's a big help too! Sam, I'm looking forward to putting a face to the name as well. How is the evening of Monday, February 10th? That looks like the only free time I'll have during my visit. Even if my free time doesn't line up with both of you, let's get something going on a regular basis in Winnipeg. :-) Who else is in? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Winnipeg Mappy Hour -Interested?
Hello Winnipeg area mappers. I'll be in your area soon. Who wants to meet for some fun discussion of OpenStreetMap? Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Why the world needs OpenStreetMap | Technology | theguardian.com
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Diane Mercier diane.merc...@gmail.com wrote: Pour votre information Why the world needs OpenStreetMap | Technology | theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/14/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap Yes. This article is a great introduction to OpenStreetMap, and Open Data as a general case, for our friends and colleagues who don't get it. It was written about a week ago by long-time OpenStreetMap contributor, Serge Wroclawski. Serge is an advocate of Free Culture and a developer of Open Source Software. Serge's site, and the original article are http://blog.emacsen.net/ Thank you, Serge! ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Maritime Boundary
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Adam Martin s.adam.mar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Is this supposed to be the actual maritime boundary? I don't think it is - the parts of the line appears to be for the Provincial boundary. If it is the Provincial boundary, shouldn't it follow the coastal boundary? If I am mistaken, let me know. I don't think that you are mistaken, but I don't think you have all of the facts either. The 12NM line does look to be one that was created automatically. It certainly wasn't surveyed by a local mapper. :-) Same for the inland maritime boundary. I looked at that one in more detail. Here's what I see going on. The boundary way is this one http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/30114485 It is also part of two relations. One relation is a civil boundary, the other is an administrative (provincial) Boundary ways can not be understood fully, or edited wisely, without understanding relations. I wouldn't edit any complex form, such as a boundary relation, with an editor other than JOSM. And not with any editor, on a mobile device. Today, the way appears badly drawn, and incomplete in tagging. I'll take a few guesses at why. The history of that way shows 28 revisions. The first one was the creation of the way, as an import from geobase in 2009. It was tagged as an administrative boundary (not a maritime boundary). Likely, this was the best data available to us at the time. With the currently available imagery, we can see that the imported boundary does not align with imagery, nor does it reflect some of the details in the current imagery. Revisions 2 through 25 have been redacted, due to edits by users who did not agree to the license change. The boundary may have had some improvements and corrections through those edits. Improved or otherwise, those edits are gone. Revision 26 shows that the redaction bot cleaned out the data that we were no longer entitled to keep. That left the way without tags. R27 in 2012 appears not to have directly affected the way. It may have edited an intersecting way? It was a large changeset. R28 in 2013 added the maritime tag you report. The maritime tag alone, is an unusual form. I don't think that it would be considered complete, unless combined with the tags of the parent relations. When compared with the 'bot-drawn 12nm maritime boundary, this way appears to be incorrect. It just doesn't seem to be far enough offshore to be a maritime boundary. When compared to http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/115038287 (from 2011, and a canvec import) the '485 way appears low resolution and poorly aligned. So there are are multiple imported boundaries here. Each were the probably best available at the time. Neither are perfect, and now the appear to somewhat duplicate each other, given the parent relations of '485. Hope that helps a bit. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OSM New-York - Import de contours de batiments et adresses
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Richard I dont think that we should advocate against import. Then we differ. I've been advocating for better imports with every import I've seen since 2006. While the tools have improved, the results for the most part, just haven't. Let's try in 2014 to be more positive with that and suggest ways to do it better. You might continue to believe that imports are just fine, I do not. Imports are harmfull to OpenStreetMap and to the OpenStreetMap community in all except extremely limited circumstances. Invariably, when I add that except in extremely limited circumstances, the listener will presume that they are in fact the exception. Invariably, they aren't the exception. They are well intentioned. They are in love with data. They want a better OpenStreetMap. And then they make an import of some sort and cause harm to the data base and community that they then never clean up because it is too much work. The linked thread regarding the NYC building import discusses ways to do it better. The after action report on any decent effort at an import has discussed ways to do better in the future. Technically, essentially every import has been better than the one before. To date, overwhelmingly, better is still just not good enough. My recommendation is never to import. Import should be a very dirty word in OpenStreetMap. By comparison, I think we should focus on doing the best mapping that we can with our surveys, and with external resources that we have permission to use. Use external resources* by comparing each item with all of the other existing resources, including imagery, existing OpenStreetMap data, your survey, local knowledge, and curate the external source before placing it into OpenStreetMap. But never import.** Yes. It's way slower. Yes, it takes more time, and a more-experienced mapper. But it is what you owe to the project, the community and to your reputation as a mapper. To be clear, I love that external resources are becoming available to OpenStreetMap in greater numbers. I have every bit as much data love for a new data set as the next mapper. Dumping huge amounts of un-curated data into the OpenStreetMap data base at one time is not the way to use that data, or OpenStreetMap to best effect. * Only the ones for which we have explicit permission to use. ** except in those extremely limited circumstances which don't apply here. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Floating Island Error
Oops, replied to Adam only. Here's one for the list. I've checked a few, including the two that he linked, and found no trouble. No hidden nodes-in-the-same-places. everything rubberbands as expected when connected. JOSM validator reports no connectivity issues. I've sent a note to the keepright maintainers to ask about this. And I marked the ones that I checked as ignore - false positive. The area could use a real survey. the import from canvec v5 had no road names, so there is great deal of improvement to be had there. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OSM New-York - Import de contours de batiments et adresses
I would point to the NYC building import as another example of how imports can go badly, and be damaging for OpenStreetMap. To be beneficial, any import must be handled with extreme care. NYC has not done that. You'll have to read a very long thread to understand what is going on, from those who are involved. (on the us imports list) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports-us/2013-December/000447.html My summary is that the NYC building import is as flawed as most every other attempt to Get a bunch of data in OSM in a hurry. Just a few users are responsible for the bulk of the edits. Those few users are creating data at a rate that far exceeds their ability to curate the data on the way in; and so the data is poor in terms of quality. And the rate far exceeds the ability of the real mapping community to repair the imported data in a timely manner; and so the local mappers are overwhelmed and frustrated by the damage done by some small number of importers. The New York City building import is an example of an import gone wrong. I hope that the parties involved will continue to work on fixing their efforts, rather than just blasting bits into the data base. Improving address coverage in OpenStreetMap is a great benefit to the project, especially to those who wish to consume OpenStreetMap data. You can make an impact and improve OpenStreetMap data in your neighbourhood by surveying address data as you improve other data. No imports required. Just map it. :-) Building outlines are very pretty, but are not as broadly useful as addresses; we navigate to an address, not to a building rectangular in form, 32m on one side and 36m on the adjacent... That said, once you draw a building outline, that is a great place to hang the address tags. Mappy New Year. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Mappy New Year
Hi All, I hope that you are off to a great start on your mapping activities for 2014. OpenStreetMap is certainly off to a great start. User emacsen wrote a compelling article today that drove a significant number of new mappers to OpenStreetMap. That's some great advocacy, right there. The article is really aimed at folks who are not yet mappers, so not really the same audience of these lists, as we're already mappers. but you might enjoy the article anyway. Have a look. http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/01/04/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap/ In 2014 we will see the 10 anniversary / birthday of OpenStreetMap. What are you going to do to celebrate? We (the local mappers in Toronto) will host another OpenStreetMap Mapiversary party, details to be determined, how about your local group? On that subject, is this the year that you'll start a local mapping group in your town? I've never understood why it is that the German community has groups of mappers that meet each month, in just about every city, town and village of size, while in North America those groups are very rare. It could be that the difference is you. You can start a successful, self-sustaining local group that meets each month to discuss OpenStreetMap. So you should do that. It's great fun. Part of our fun in Toronto in 2013 included, the 9th birthday party, including a map cake. Twelve regularly scheduled Mappy Hour events, two formal presentation events, three special guest events to celebrate august mappers visiting from other places. (and a little bit of a flood, but we soldiered on anyway.) What about this thread? Tell me, what your plans are for 2014? and have a Mappy New Year, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Montreal new editor needs help
www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19598209 oops. You need the link for context. :-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Montreal new editor needs help
Somebody near REPENTIGNY want to help this person out? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Problem with overpasses in NB??
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote: Here is an example - http://osm.org/go/cgZ854R_8-- The problem is that there is an intersection node between McKinnon Road and Route 8 but there is an overpass bridge at this location. That does look like an error, I've fixed that one. The history on the involved objects is short, and suggests that it is an import. Do you want to contact the mapper and ask about the matter? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-dev] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance / Downtime
just in case you aren't following announce, dev or talk. -- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:34 AM Subject: [OSM-dev] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance / Downtime To: annou...@openstreetmap.org, Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Dev List d...@openstreetmap.org On Wednesday 27th of November 2013 between 17:30 and 22:00 (GMT / UTC) the primary database server will be unavailable due to maintenance. I apologise for the short notice. The following services WILL be affected: * www.openstreetmap.org web site WILL NOT allow edits (iD or Potlatch). [1] * API will NOT allow map editing (using iD, JOSM, Merkaartor etc.), but will remain available as read-only. [2] Other OpenStreetMap provided services should not be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * Forum * trac (bug-tracker) * help.openstreetmap.org * tile serving (View The Map Export) * Wiki * Nominatim (search) * mailing lists * subversion and git (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: Database servers ramoth katla hardware maintenance. Upgrade of web frontends spike-01, spike-02 spike-03 with HP DL360 G6 (Xeon 56xx) hardware. 1: Maps will still be viewable on the openstreetmap.org homepage and on other people's websites. 2: The sysadmin team will try as far as possible to keep the API available in read-only mode, but the API may be briefly unavailable. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Ottawa event today?
Looks like somebody is getting some new mappers started today in Ottawa. A bunch of new accounts showed up on #osm-ca . I've sent welcome notes to some of them. Nice to see some activity in Ottawa. :-) Who is running the class? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Hosting an HOT mapping meetup this Saturday in Ottawa
Ah. This was stuck in the filter. Sorry 'bout that. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Toronto OSM talk tonight.
Toronto Mappy Hour includes a presentation on How to map your neighborhood, tonight. We'll have all of the usual conversation, QA, and fun, plus the benefit of the presentation by Steve Singer. Steve is a longtime OpenStreetMap contributor, and software developer. He has presented at State of the Map, the international OpenStreetMap conference as well as many others. His carefully organized presentations and approachable style make his presentations a pleasure for viewers of all experience levels. Not to be missed. Join us at C'est What, 67 Front Street East, Toronto, tonight. Presentation starts at 6:30pm. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ Can't make it tonight? We have Mappy Hour every month to meet and mingle with other mappers. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Montréal spammer?
Is this a real business with a sign? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2458192649 go ahead and delete if it is just a spammer. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] National Railway Network - Réseau ferroviaire national
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Matthew Buchanan matthew.ian.bucha...@gmail.com wrote: GeoBase now has railway data for most provinces. BC, Alberta, and Quebec will be released this fall. http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/nrwn/index.html http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/fr/data/nrwn/index.html I uploaded a small portion near Regina as a test. (the spurs only) http://osm.org/go/WjfQlb2zh-?m= There are a lot of extra attributes, only some of which will be useful. I plan to write a python script to translate some of the codes into an OSM standard, unless someone has a better idea of how to do it. Hi Matthew, It's great to have new datasets available for our inspection. I'm not clear from your email if you uploaded the small portion in the manner of an import, or if you used all of the resources available including the new data set to essentially map the data. Just in case, I'll put this link here, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import and remind everybody that no dataset, no matter how well curated or well intended, can be imported into OpenStreetMap without very careful planning and consultation in advance. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Birthday Party, preview
Here is a little preview of the Toronto OpenStreetMap Birthday Party, today. http://weait.com/FestivalOfFondant The Toronto portion of the Birthday celebration includes a walking, mapping tour of the city, and a party, with delightful conversation and out-of-province and international guests. Many other cities are hosting OpenStreetMap birthday events too. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Liste pour annonce des activités d'OpenStreetMap Montréal
2013/7/1 Guillaume Pratte guilla...@guillaumepratte.net: Bonjour, J'ai créé une liste de discussion pour annoncer les activités du groupe OpenStreetMap Montréal. I hope that you will also announce Montreal events on this list. I see talk-ca as the list for all local groups in Canada. For some events, I would also expect you to post on talk-us, as you might get guests from VT, ME, NH, etc. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Pocket GPSs in cars...
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Colin McGregor colin.mc...@gmail.com wrote: when in a car, how best to mount a pocket GPS (a Garmin eTrex 20) on the dash that will keep the GPS from sliding around? The solution can not require any permanent change to the car, should not leave any sort of a mark when removed and ideally should be just as small / smaller than the GPS itself. Ideas (where names of specific makes/models would be appreciated)? I have a little beanbag thing on the dash and the hand held is cradled in it. Mine is home made, so no SKU for it. :-) A quick search for dashboard beanbag found a bunch of similar things, though mine is much less elaborate. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Une proposition: formation du groupe OpenStreetMap Montréal
2013/6/20 Guillaume Pratte guilla...@guillaumepratte.net Bonjour Fabian, Mes plus sincères félicitations pour ta nomination à titre de président du FACIL! Au sujet d'OSMTL, je me dois ici d'être direct : le groupe sera *souverain * dans ses communications et n'aura pas à répondre ni à cette liste ni à quelconque entité externe. I think that position of sovereignty is appropriate. The Toronto OpenStreetMap Enthusiasts Meetup is similar. We speak for ourselves only. We consider ourselves to be a resource for those wishing to learn more about OpenStreetMap. We don't even have formal members, votes, budget or rules. What we have in leadership is a small group with the permissions to schedule events and delete spam, and the obligation to pay the meetup.com fees. :-) It seems to be working well-enough that we continue with it. Among those who attend, we have a variety of levels of engagement in OpenStreetMap. And a variety of engagement in OSMF. Some are regular mappers. Some are newcomers. Curious outsiders attend with questions. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Montréal birthday party
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.orgwrote: On 2013-06-13 21:20, Guillaume Pratte wrote: I am indeed on this list. I am also the author of osmtl.org (and its mirror site openstreetmap-montreal.org). I have created this web sites in order to easily communicate the OpenStreetMap activities I have organized up to now. It is a simple WordPress site, and I hope to put content on the site to the benefit of activities organized in Montreal. Thanks for clarifying this. Too bad this was done w/o consulting this list. On the contrary. Thank you, Guillaume, for seeing something that needed to be done, and then doing it. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Actual OpenStreetMap Birthday Party Thread
:-) So, previous (Toronto) OSM Birthday parties / anniversaries have been social affairs, with food and drink and unstructured conversation. Usually (exclusively, to date ?) at a private residence. Any thoughts about continuing on those points, or changes refinements that you'd like to enable? Also. If you have attended one or more of these events, what would you want to tell somebody who hasn't attended, so they can decide to attend or not? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap birthday party
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.comwrote: There are OpenStreetMap fans in Montreal. And of course, they are welcome to join us in Toronto. And to host an event to add another to the world wide list of parties. What dates are we talking about? Saturday, 10 August 2013. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_9th_Anniversary_Birthday_party If that date is a no go for some reason, hold it on another, nearby date. It is the gathering and the relationships with other mappers that is most important and the greatest benefit of these events. The temporal correctness can be flexible. :-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap birthday party (Immanuel Giulea)
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Diane Mercier diane.merc...@gmail.comwrote: Bonjour Immanuel et les autres à Montréal, Il y a le 26 juin, une rencontre organisée conjointement et simultanément à Montréal (OKFN Meetup Montréal; http://www.meetup.com/OpenKnowledgeFoundation/Montreal-CA/877112/) et à Québec (Meetup GéoQuébec; http://www.meetup.com/quebec-geo/) sur le projet de recherche GéoThink qui utilise OSM. Diane, you are involved in both OKFN and geoThink? What is geoThink doing to help repair the awful state of Canadian (government) Open Data? The proliferation of licenses, as seen on the geoThink site [1] and the mutual incompatibility of those licenses as seen at clipol [2] is poisonous to Open Data in Canada. Canadian governments must publish open data under ODC-PDDL. How will geoThink move towards this goal to repair (government) Open Data in Canada? Open Data in Canada is dying, because governments are killing it. How is geoThink moving to fix this? Je peux aussi vous proposer, à titre d'ambassadrice (coordonnatrice) du OKFN, groupe local au Canada, de soutenir cet anniversaire à Montréal pour le volet curation. Qu'en dites-vous? Note : Je sais Meetup n'est pas une application libre, mais pour l'instant je n'ai pas trouvé d'alternative. Vos suggestions? You might try GroupSpaces? The Fredericton OpenStreetMap group has used GroupSpaces in past. Perhaps the organizers will offer their thoughts. http://groupspaces.com/FredOSM [1] http://geothink.ca/opendata/current-trends/#licenses [2] http://clipol.org/tools/compatibility ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Highways in Yukon missing
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: I vaguely remember tracing a large chunk of the Robert Campbell Highway (Yukon Highway 4) sometime after the license redaction removed it. I just noticed now that it's gone missing a second time (the stretch between Watson Lake and Ross River). I also noticed that a large chunk of the Klondike Highway (Yukon Highway 2) went missing too between Whitehorse and Carmacks, along with land use data nearby. I could see certain parts of the data cached in the renderer at certain zoom levels, but the data's gone. Does anyone know what's going on in Yukon? Surely this can't be vandalism. Have you looked at the history? Which changesets removed the data (again)? Or, if you aren't familiar with those tools, can you point to the changesets in which you created those objects? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: [Okfn-ca] Fwd: GeoThink : données ouvertes...
2013/5/29 Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org tl;dr: 2.4 million CDN$ over 5 years for Geo/Open Data - more at http://geothink.ca/ I'm not impressed. The first two things that I noticed about the site were, - guess whether the map they use is open or not? :/ - Some posts are password protected. http://geothink.ca/geothink-workshop-presentation/ All of that is really strange because some good people appear to be connected to this site. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Atelier à Montréal / Workshop in Montreal
2013/5/2 Guillaume Pratte guilla...@guillaumepratte.net (English below) Bonjour, Je vous écris pour vous inviter à un atelier d'introduction à OpenStreetMap qui aura lieu le 22 mai 2013 à Montréal, à 19h00, au café le Milieu situé au 1251 rue Robin. [ ... ] I will organize an introduction workshop to OpenStreetMap on May, 22nd, 2013. It will be held at 19:00 at Café Le Milieu located at 1251 rue Robin in Montreal. Looks like the workshop is a success. I see five new mappers in Montréal in the last hour. Congratulations, Guillaume. :-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Toronto Presentation(s): How to use OpenStreetMap data
Hi all, I'll be giving my How to use OpenStreetMap Data presentation tonight Wednesday, 15 May 2013, at the Toronto Django meetup. http://www.djangotoronto.com/ This will be a slightly modified reprise of the presentation I gave Monday at Toronto Mappy Hour. By the way, thanks to everybody who participated Monday. Mappy Hour was awesome. We had a great crowd, fantastic discussion and delicious refreshments. :-) See you there! Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] POI import to OSM from POI-Factory.com
Hi Dustin, and welcome. You can find some background on mass edits / imports at the following links. As you suspected, and Andrew points out, licensing is a critical matter. Do you remember where you saw the article on importing with josm? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits/Code_of_Conduct ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New OpenStreetMap web editing option now available, call for funding
iD devs have requested bug reports to go to their issue tracker. https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues?state=open ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Presentation: How to use OpenStreetMap data.
Dear All, The monthly meeting of Toronto area OpenStreetMap Enthusiasts (Mappy Hour) is always a laugh-riot of Open Data Goodness, Geo Expertise and baseless but entertaining rumours. Come and join the fun. In addition to the usual ad-hoc discussion and extensive question and answer period, this month we've added a formal presentation! How to use OpenStreetMap Data The presentation will cover the very basics of how to use OpenStreetMap data from - What is it? - What can I do with it? - How do I go about that effectively? - What are the cool kids doing with this data? The presentation is brief and aimed at all audiences, technical and non-technical, with an interest in learning more about OpenStreetMap data. The goal is to cover some of the common questions, dispel some of the common misunderstandings, and provide a solid base for your follow up questions and discussion afterwards. Who: You! Why: You love data and maps. When: Monday, 13 May 2013. 6:30 pm Where: C'est What, 67 Front Street East, near Church Map: http://osm.org/go/ZX6BrdRDH--?m Please RSVP by email off-list, or RSVP via the meetup page http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/113271092/ Apologies to those of you who are not near enough to Toronto to attend. Please consider passing this invitation along to your friends and colleagues that might not be on this list, and who might be interested in attending. Mappy Hour is always receptive to OpenStreetMap newcomers. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Call for Presentations - SotM 2013 (annual conference)
- Forwarded message -- From: Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:36 PM Subject: [OSM-dev] Call for Presentations - SotM 2013 (annual conference) Hi All, - please forward this on to your local communities - It's that time of year again when we look to you, the mind-bogglingly creative OpenStreetMap community, to tell us what you've been up to. That's right - it time to submit your presentation ideas for the annual State of the Map conference. If you have something interesting to present about your work with OpenStreetMap and would like to tell the world, we would love to hear about it. Simply fill out the Call for Presentations form explaining the topic of your presentation. To keep things easy, at this stage we just need a few words, not a full presentation. :-) http://www.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/ (Call for Presentations closes on Monday 10 June 2013.) === A bit more information === The State of the Map 2013 Conference to be held in Birmingham, United Kingdom, from 6 to 8 September is calling for presentations. The theme of this year’s conference is “Change” so we are particularly interested in presentations addressing this theme. Our programme will cover a wide range of topics that will interest everyone from the new OpenStreetMapper to the professional contemplating using our data. We are seeking presentations from businesses, the public sector, charities, and individuals. If you have something to say, for example, about switching to OSM, barriers to its use, apps for mobile mapping, changing community organisation or behaviour, historical mapping, or just anything that you want to present, then make sure you register your proposal with a a few words to describe the topic. Tutorial sessions are especially welcome! Just to add a little more to the Call for Presentations: This year I personally want to try and get as many people involved as possible. We are therefore hoping to have a Poster Exhibition for people who may not be able to attend in person (we can print them locally). If this sounds interesting to you, please use the same form and specify Poster as the Session Format. Posters can be mainly pictorial, or include text. You can bring it yourself or send an electronic copy for local printing (Sponsorship to cover printing costs would be much appreciated). http://www.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/ (Call for Presentations closes on Monday 10 June 2013.) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!
Flesh it out. Try to fill in all four points, rather than just the idea. What zoom and center point? How does that work on different devices / resolution / orientation? How will this be implemented? What effect will this have on a returning visitor? What else? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Routing tool for openstreetmap.ca?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Samuel Longiaru longi...@shaw.ca wrote: Another big thanks here to those involved in setting this up! I do have a suggestion for the site. Perhaps it is already implemented elsewhere, in which case maybe all I need is to be reminded of its location so I can update my bookmarks. I think it would be great to have access to a routing engine using as current a Canadian data extract as possible... like daily or even more recent. http://map.project-osrm.org/ For Canadian data and the rest of the world. Updates the data twice a day, as I understand it. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Routing tool for openstreetmap.ca?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM, si...@mungewell.org wrote: http://map.project-osrm.org/ For Canadian data and the rest of the world. Updates the data twice a day, as I understand it. So is there a way to 'teach' that better routes? Blairmore to Calgary was routed through Fort McLeod (257km)... when the faster/shorted route is via Highway 22 and 533 across to Nanton (217km). It might say something about my driving, but that would take a little over 2hrs rather than suggested 3hr4. Yes, I average more that 70km/hr... I'm not familiar with either route, or with your driving style. :-) Routers using OSM data will make assumptions where speed limit data in not available so you might be running into issues where the assumptions don't match your driving experience on the ground. In past, I've found that there are connectivity problems in the OSM data, when routers make suggestions taht I wouldn't expect. In fact, that was one of the things we were using the test instance of OSRM for; finding discontinuities, bad one-ways, and other tagging / mapping errors. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!
Dear all, Darryl delivered on his promise, and openstreetmap.ca registration has been transferred to OSMF / me. Thank you, again, Darryl for taking care of the domain for the past years, and for offering it to the community, rather than letting it lapse. For now, if you visit openstreetmap.ca, it will look very familiar. Very much like osm.org, in fact. :-) I'm happy with that. It's unsurprising, and easy to maintain. And in the recent; past we haven't done anything else with it, so I think that that this is an improvement. But what else would we like to do? To move forward on any big changes to openstreetmap.ca, I would hope to see a number of things in equal measure: - interesting idea(s) - broad consensus - active participation - resources I don't foresee any deadline for new ideas or implementation, so this can really be a matter for careful consideration over time. We've done pretty well so far, without any grand unification web site. And thanks again, Darryl. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] Warning: blocklist Halifax Open Data
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Glen Barnes barnaclebar...@mac.comwrote: Hi Richard, Have you approached them to discuss the licenses? Got a lovely form letter back after a week or so. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Warning: blocklist Halifax Open Data
Hi Open Data fans. The Municipality of Halifax has announced an Open Data Pilot. Sadly, they wrote their own license and it is incompatible with the OpenStreetMap data license, possibly with any other license of any type any where, and common sense. In their first term they declare their license to be revocable. So. Beware. Don't go near the Halifax data if you are an OSM contributor. If you are developing an outside project, I wouldn't touch it either. They claim to be able to squash your project by pulling the data if they don't like it. And if you are involved in the Halifax Open Data Pilot, well, I'm sure you have the best intentions. So far it hasn't worked out very well for you. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca
I understand the interest in OSMF holding the openstreetmap.ca domain. To balance that, there is a requirement that .ca domains be held by some body with a legitimate interest or residence in Canada. (Or something like that). If OSMF (being a UK not for profit) does not meet that requirement, we're left with holding on to it for ourselves in some way. I'm all for whatever we decide. Especially if we can lighten the load for Daryl, and allow more contribution from the community. Thank you Daryl, for thinking to get the domain when it was available, and for holding it safely for so long. I know that you and I talked about doing something with it a while back, and neither of us did. I don't think you've done anything anti-community with respect to the domain. And I think that starting this conversation amply demonstrates that you are one of the good guys. So, thanks again! Among the options, for the domain I suppose, are: - investigate getting OSMF to hold it - continue to have a trusted community member hold the domain - allow a trusted company to hold it - form a company to hold it on our behalf - something else(?) I'll ask about OSMF holding it. And I'd be willing to hold it on behalf of OSMF and or the Canadian community And I'd like to see, as a separate step, a group of us put our heads and volunteer hours together to actually do something with it. :-) Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca
I'd love to be involved as well. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Licence donnees.gouv.qc.ca
2013/3/14 Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr [ ... ] This license is said to be derived from the United Kingdom license which is said to be compatible with the ODbL (and thus OSM ). I would appreciate your comments on this. All right. You asked. :-) The governments, municipal, provincial and federal, who choose to create or modify an Open Data license are hurting Open Data. The first stab wound was the misguided Vancouver Open Data license and we have not yet stopped the bleeding. Modifying an Open Data license is similar to declaring that in my municipality, we will use a modification of a standard electrical appliance plug and socket. The plug from a Waterloo Region toaster may be incompatible with an socket in Quebec City in obvious or subtle ways. Household appliances might move periodically when an owner moves, or when an appliance is sent as a gift. Open Data, by definition, is intended to be combined and compared and moved about, further and more often than a simple appliance. We've been clever enough to standardize our appliance plugs across the continent. It is important to standardize our Open Data licenses around the world. Governments. Use the Open Data licenses drafted and curated by the Open Data Commons at the Open Knowledge Foundation. You (governments) do not have the mandate from your citizens to spend their money to learn the things that you need to know about international data law that are required to draft a rational Open Data license. To do so in each municipality and province is a phenomenal waste of resources. And you don't have the mandate to consume resources to maintain that license once you draft it. International data law is new and evolving. You can't keep up. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Montréal v. Toronto :-)
Which Montréal-based OpenStreetMap contributors and developers will be coming to Toronto for the Hack Weekend (and to mock the Maple Leafs) ? It's only a quick trip along the autoroute. Please pass the Hack Weekend details along to your local groups of potentially-interested developers. Hey. Ottawa too. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toronto_Hack_Weekend_March_2013 http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Where are you? Re: OpenStreetMap Developer Weekend
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Hey all, The second annual Canadian OpenStreetMap Developers Weekend is coming up quickly. Right. Next weekend. The Second Annual Canadian OpenStreetMap Hack Weekend is on 08 through 10 March, 2013. Several established OpenStreetMap developers are already booked to attend from other countries, and from around the Toronto area. Why aren't you? :-) If you are a developer, but not yet an OpenStreetMap developer, this is a great event for you to attend. If you are an OpenStreetMap developer, or would like to become one, this is a great event for you to attend. So sign up on the wiki or on the meetup pages. Let us know that you are coming and what you plan to work on. Coming from out of town and want a billet, in stead of a hotel? Let us know ASAP. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toronto_Hack_Weekend_March_2013 If you are in the wider OpenStreetMap community, and not a developer, this is still a great chance for you to attend the social events and meet more mappers. if you've never met with other mappers you don't know how much fun you are missing. Meeting other mappers is great fun. Come and join us. See you soon, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Developer Weekend
Hey all, The second annual Canadian OpenStreetMap Developers Weekend is coming up quickly. If you've ever wanted to develop some code around the OpenStreetMap ecosystem, brush up on your geo-data-handling or just learn more about the OpenStreetMap software stack, this is the event to attend. Five events in seven days. Don't miss it. RSVP for the various events either via the OpenStreetMap wiki, the meetup.com events, or by replying on this list or privately. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toronto_Hack_Weekend_March_2013 Are you visiting from out of town? Let us know, as soon as possible, so we can see about getting you a billet. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Toronto Mappy Hour - tonight!
Join Toronto's OpenStreetMap Enthusiasts tonight for an incremental opportunistic Mappy Hour. Normally we have one Mappy Hour per month, but we have a special guest mapper visiting from overseas. Come and join in on all the usual Mappy Hour fun; OpenStreetMap QA, OpenData discussion, Geo-enthusiasm and tech talk, and enjoy an incremental charming accent! Do RSVP! http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/103962822/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Gouvernement ouvert , Gatineau
I agree that advocacy with all levels of government is important. They seem in general to be interested, and to listen politely, but often to not understand that creating a new license is poison to open data. So it is important to keep talking with them, more and more of them, until they comprehend. Data law is relatively new, in terms of law. Data law is applied unevenly by countries. The very nature of data demands mixing with other data sets. This means that explicit and careful drafting of a license is required so that it will work everywhere without accidentally discriminating against a potential user. I disagree that ODbL is the right license for municipalities or other governments. ODbL is absolutely the right license for OSMF and the OSM community. OSMF must serve the OSM community of mappers, and the share alike provision is important to a substantial portion of the mapping community. ODbL deliberately discriminates against those who would take ODbL data, improve it, and not share the improvements. That is an important and deliberate feature of the ODbL license Governments must serve all of their citizens, even those who would not choose to share. The ODbL share alike provision is not suitable for government publishers who mush serve both their sharing and non-sharing constituents. I recommend that governments publish their open data under ODC PDDL. PDDL allows use, not just in OSM, but in any open data project. PDDL allows use, not just in open data projects, but in closed commercial projects that chose not to share at all. PDDL allows use in all jurisdictions with established data law, but also in jurisdictions where data law is not recognized and copyright law is used to fill the gaps. Governments must serve a broader audience than the OSMF must serve. OpenDataCommons recognize that one Open Data license is not sufficient, and have drafted a suite of licenses. Their licenses are drafted to be compatible, so that PDDL data can be included in ODbL data sets. Advocating that governments publish open data under PDDL _should_ be easier than advocating for ODbL because publishing under PDDL is good for OSM, but also good for any other potential use of the data. So, those advocates should be seen as not simply advocating something for the benefit of their own pet project, OSM, but for the benefit of all potential open data users. To advocate that governments support only one specific open data project, even a project as wonderful as OpenStreetMap, could be seen as mere self-interest, rather than enlightened advocacy. Best regards, Richard [1] ODC - OpenDataCommons.org - the same publisher of the ODbL license. [2] PDDL - Public Domain Dedication and License ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Sidewalks
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:08 PM, nicholas ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.com wrote: My personal preference is to enable the JOSM sidewalk style and then use the sidewalk:right sidewalk:left, sidewalk:both, or sidewalk:none tags on the actual street. The footpaths are just about useless (as in the example above) as they are not related to the street in anyway. So the routing engine couldn't say turn left onto Maple Street. It could only say turn left. If the tags are on the actual street and not separately mapped, it is much easier for a routing engine. I think Bernie has raised an interesting question with a complicated group of replies. I don't think that we will find One Universally True Answer. As a mapper, I don't always add ordinary sidewalks where I see them. Initially, I thought, I have roads and other things to map, I'll worry about sidewalks later. It was the early days of OSM. Available aerial imagery was much more limited and much lower resolution. When higher resolution aerial imagery became available to us, I had a bit of a freak out. Oh my!!! Look at all the PIXELS!!! I can map sidewalks, and, and, and, and, everything!!! And so I did. I added sidewalks in some of the places that already had roads and schools and parks and rivers, etc. Now, I'm not as consistent, I guess. I'll add interesting walkways that aren't simply parallel to a street. I think adding a pedestrian path between neighbourhoods, and adjacent, non-adjoining streets is worthwhile. As a pedestrian, I use those paths to cut the walking distance to the store, or school. But I generally don't add the ordinary sidewalks. Except when I do add them. The points raised by Gordon and Harald, above, are important. There are routing services for pedestrians and cyclists and they can use separately-drawn sidewalks in ways that they can not extract data from road centerline parameters. I make an effort to properly connect new objects that I map with existing sidewalks, even if I'm not planning to map more sidewalks immediately. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto OSM Hack Weekend
Fellow Canadian OSM developers (and aspiring developers). Add yourselves to the wiki and let us know that you are planning to attend the Hack Weekend. Hack Weekends have a wonderful history in OSM, having lead to most of the major milestones in OSMs growth and development. including internationalization, two on-line editors, API 0.5, API 0.6, Relations, minutely updates, and on and on. Granted, most of those developments were at Hack Weekends in London, England, but we can join the fun as well. Sign up now. We'll see you in Toronto. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Come one, come all, to the Second Canadian OpenStreetMap Developer Weekend, eh? As last year, Ryerson University is providing a dry roof overhead, lots of space and rock solid wifi for the programming portion of the event. There will also be a public event, possibly an expert panel, Friday afternoon at Ryerson. Details to follow. Also as last year, there will be a ton of socializing and meeting and greeting with the local OSM community, Friday night and Saturday night. Last year, attendees travelled to Toronto from England, The Netherlands, USA and even the Toronto suburbs. Join the fun! See you in Toronto. Sign up now on the wiki so we can plan for your arrival and the requisite Red Carpet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toronto_Hack_Weekend_March_2013 And there are sponsorship opportunities! Want to sponsor a core developer who could otherwise not participate? Want to buy the coders dinner and a few drinks? Let me know. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Toronto OSM Hack Weekend
Come one, come all, to the Second Canadian OpenStreetMap Developer Weekend, eh? As last year, Ryerson University is providing a dry roof overhead, lots of space and rock solid wifi for the programming portion of the event. There will also be a public event, possibly an expert panel, Friday afternoon at Ryerson. Details to follow. Also as last year, there will be a ton of socializing and meeting and greeting with the local OSM community, Friday night and Saturday night. Last year, attendees travelled to Toronto from England, The Netherlands, USA and even the Toronto suburbs. Join the fun! See you in Toronto. Sign up now on the wiki so we can plan for your arrival and the requisite Red Carpet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toronto_Hack_Weekend_March_2013 And there are sponsorship opportunities! Want to sponsor a core developer who could otherwise not participate? Want to buy the coders dinner and a few drinks? Let me know. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Mappy New Year.
Mappy New Year, mappers. I'd love to see more Canadian cities start to host monthly OpenStreetMap events in 2013. They're a great way to meet other mappers, to learn and share the experiences of other mappers, to learn about the other things interesting people do besides mapping. And they're fun. It's easy to start and run a local OSM event. The hardest part is to actually decide to do it. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto-area events in early January
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I'm going to be in Toronto in the new year and was wondering if any OSM or GIS events, meetings or mappy hours would be taking place. I'll be arriving on the 2nd and leaving on the 7th for Penetang but might be free after that. I'll mainly be spending time with the relatives, but the dates for that are flexible. I'll of course be bringing my GPS + mapping equipment Well, I'm glad you asked. :-) http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ We've put on a special event because you'll be in town. You'll be the guest of honour. :-) The regular Mappy Hour will still be held as scheduled on the 14th. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
