Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
If the data had been left tagged as not CT then OSM would have deleted it in 2012. The only difference would be that any edits you made from now to then would also be deleted. Your concerns should be brought to OSM's attention. If they have a way of deleting my edits that doesn't impact your work I'm happy to make the changes in that way. Cheerio John On 6 June 2011 21:08, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: Well, not sure what to say, John. You've deleted stuff that I've worked on without my consent, so there's a problem. If the features you had deleted were still v1 that you had added, I could see an argument in support of what you've done, but many of the features appear to be v1 with more than just your name attached to them, so you're unilaterally deleting features that are no longer purely yours. As one of the people affected by this, I do not give you this consent. --G On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:50 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: No at the time the data was added there wasn't a problem. The problem arose when the new CT retroactively changed the previously inserted data. Cheerio John On 6 June 2011 18:30, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: What should John do? John should accept the fact that the data he has added were added under the terms he agreed to and retroactively changing his mind and deleting everything is not an acceptable option. Your unilateral actions have impacted more than just your data. That is what John should do. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.comwrote: My preference would have been to have my CT put back to none acceptance. This has been requested in OSM Talk but I've been told this was not possible. My next preference would be to have all my edits rolled back, again this request has been ignored more than once. I don't feel at all comfortable with the new CT for all the work I've done. I've used CANVEC as an example, its not so much the .odbl as the open endedness of the CT. I can work with the new CT by restricting my sources to ones that I have complete license control over which basically means carrying the GPS than working from the traces but no imports. I agree selecting and deleting manually is not nice but once its done the the community can repair the damage fairly quickly and it does remove the problem data. as Richard says Question open to the room. What now? What should John do? What should we do? I'm open to suggestions either of the first two would be more than acceptable. Thanks Cheerio John On 6 June 2011 18:10, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: All... I just took a look at the damage that's been done and I have to say that I am extremely unhappy. I spent quite a bit of time a few months back cleaning up many of the streets that are he has removed from the OSM. I would respectfully ask John that he rollback the changesets in question. Once someone else has modified something added by someone else I think you've given up your rights to it. In this case I touched virtually every street in Westboro and Hintonburg and now I find that my work has been removed, too. --Gordon (Keeper of Maps) On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.comwrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:17 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Acting on your advice I accepted the new CT. If I recall discussion you asked what the license was all about and why was there so much chatter about it? And if I recall my reply, it was something along the lines of, you could read it all and make up your mind, or you can accept that I think the new license is a big improvement for OSM. Is that about right? On looking more deeply into the subject I note that I have retrospectively allowed OSM to license anything I have ever added to the map in any way they wish. Currently it is odbl but the CT allows anything, the license seems to be an ever changing document. You appear not to have looked deeply enough. The CTs allow additional license changes ONLY, to another Free and Open license, and ONLY by approval of a 2/3 majority of the current OSM contributors at the time. [well, 2/3 of those who reply to their OSM registered email within three weeks.] So a new license has to be Free and Open and approved by the community. Or perhaps you've just changed your mind. Looking at my data I have a couple of footpaths that were entered from a GPS track and one or two other items these I'm happy to have under the new CT but very little else. I find it is not possible to retract my acceptance. I have made three separate inquiries on how to get all my edits removed but all have been ignored. So I can see no other option than to remove them all manually. Your premise is flawed. It's not your data once you contribute to a collective project like OpenStreetMap, the data belongs to all of us.
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
John is missing the point, perhaps deliberately. He hasn't listened to a thing we've said. He's just justifying and rationalizing his original decision. There's no point in discussing this any further. He doesn't get it and he never will. We're wasting time here. Treat his edits as vandalism and proceed accordingly. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Change_rollback -- Jonathan Crowe The Map Room: A Weblog About Maps http://www.maproomblog.com ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
Treat his edits as vandalism and proceed accordingly. Virtual ban When a contributor is subject to a 'virtual ban' (see notes above) then all their past work may be removed and all new work will be reverted without review until they possibly contact the Data Working Group and request a review of their status. I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. Thanks Cheerio John On 7 June 2011 10:03, Jonathan Crowe jonathan.cr...@gmail.com wrote: John is missing the point, perhaps deliberately. He hasn't listened to a thing we've said. He's just justifying and rationalizing his original decision. There's no point in discussing this any further. He doesn't get it and he never will. We're wasting time here. Treat his edits as vandalism and proceed accordingly. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Change_rollback -- Jonathan Crowe The Map Room: A Weblog About Maps http://www.maproomblog.com ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Earlier, Jonathan Crowe said, but JW messed up the attribution: Treat his edits as vandalism and proceed accordingly. I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. So you are happy to be known as a vandal, in order to ... Why? That seems odd. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
On 11-06-07 06:31 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelanjwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. So you are happy to be known as a vandal, in order to ... Why? That seems odd. He wants his data removed, and he doesn't care how. It's clear he doesn't care about OSM anymore. The internet will be happy to remember him as an untrustworthy person in eternity... Anyways, it's pretty evident he can't be reasoned with, so I hope the DWG will take the right actions soon. Frank ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
OK curiosity is getting the better of me. What's the issue? Why the sudden panic attack to remove data? (I must probably missed that part :) What's wrong with CT/ODbL? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. Earlier you said that you were happy to have your surveyed data included in OSM under CT/ODbL, but you wanted Canvec data you uploaded removed. Now you say, I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. Which is it? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
To recap: The objective of moving to ODBL is to give a stronger legal position for the database. This position can be undermined if any included data has not been directly created by a mapper in the field. In my edits I have included at least one bus stop from GTFS data, I don't have the rights to license it under CC-by-ODBL. At the time it was done my expectation was that this information would become available under CC-by-SA in the short term this has not happened. I have included information from a source that had other information on it. Not a major crime but it is technically a breach of copyright. The two paragraphs above basically undermine any legal case that OSM would have concerning Ottawa data unless the data is removed when brought to your attention which is why I haven't specifically mentioned them before. Note it has now been brought to your attention and the responsibility for the integrity of the database is now yours if you choose not to accept the deletions. There are probably a few other instances in there somewhere. I have requested that my CT status be reverted. I have tried to request that my change sets / data be removed and I have manually deleted the suspect data which I think is all I can reasonably do. If you revert the deleting edits then you undermine the legal case for protecting the OSM database. If my CT status was reverted then the older data would be deleted in time by OSM. I saw a post to that effect recently from Frederick in a reply to some one who mentioned they couldn't accept the new CT. That and Fredrick's comment that people were deleting data that wasn't added under the new CT triggered the decision to remove the data I had added to the project. Basically the sooner its done the less impact it will have. Leave it around and others will edit it so their edits get lost as well. There has been some discussion that I think you are aware of within OSM about imports. Basically the new CT is not import friendly. As a contributor you are responsible for the data you add to the project. This includes ensuring that only data that meets the licensing can be included. I don't think anyone can say what the license in future will be changed to or even if it will be changed. Essentially this means I cannot give an undertaking to CANVEC that OSM license will be compatible and acceptable in the future when I don't know what that license will be. OSM I think is changing to be a map that is done by people on the ground with GPS devices. That's fine, I have surveyed and added a number of footpaths and I'm more than happy to add them to the project. I think if you look at Google you'll see imported bus stops. I don't think OSM will ever be reliable enough for people to use it for bus stops unless they are imported. In North America today I think regretfully Google and Bing have essentially won when we look at what people use. OSM is a very niche product. It happens to be one I personally like very much. The Ottawa map I have hosted in Google documents using Maperitive is still the only one I know of where you can find WLAN locations that are wheelchair accessible and the data is searchable. To protect the OSM database I think you have to remove my edits. I'll add the footpaths etc that have been manually surveyed back in later. Thanks Cheerio John On 7 June 2011 13:24, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. Earlier you said that you were happy to have your surveyed data included in OSM under CT/ODbL, but you wanted Canvec data you uploaded removed. Now you say, I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. Which is it? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
In my edits I have included at least one bus stop from GTFS data, I don't have the rights to license it under CC-by-ODBL. At the time it was done my expectation was that this information would become available under CC-by-SA in the short term this has not happened. I have included information from a source that had other information on it. Not a major crime but it is technically a breach of copyright. If you had just deleted a small handful of bus stops and other nodes with a comment deleting 4 bus stops, and 2 roads since the data was based on a source that turned out to not be OSM license compatible we wouldn't be have accepted that as a reasonable edit and thought little of it. Instead you deleted massive amounts of data, much of it that has no apparent licensing conflict with OSM. The two paragraphs above basically undermine any legal case that OSM would have concerning Ottawa data unless the data is removed when brought to your attention which is why I haven't specifically mentioned them before. Note it has now been brought to your attention and the responsibility for the integrity of the database is now yours if you choose not to accept the deletions. There are probably a few other instances in there somewhere. You haven't yet told us which bus stops or change sets have copied data. It is almost like me saying 'someone somewhere in the world has copied streetnames from google maps. I'll just go and delete all the roads from OSM to be safe'. Much of the data you deleted is clearly from Canvec and presents no licensing issues yet you deleted it. I have requested that my CT status be reverted. I have tried to request that my change sets / data be removed and I have manually deleted the suspect data which I think is all I can reasonably do. If you revert the deleting edits then you undermine the legal case for protecting the OSM database. Life would be nice you could agree to termsconditions and then withdraw your agreement retroactively. Just think, I could get a credit card agree to the two pages of TC's and buy lots of cool stuff. Then I could say to the credit card company 'I revoke the agreement, I'm not going to pay your all this stuff I bought because I can't afford your interest rates'. There has been some discussion that I think you are aware of within OSM about imports. Basically the new CT is not import friendly. As a contributor you are responsible for the data you add to the project. This includes ensuring that only data that meets the licensing can be included. I don't think anyone can say what the license in future will be changed to or even if it will be changed. Essentially this means I cannot give an undertaking to CANVEC that OSM license will be compatible and acceptable in the future when I don't know what that license will be. Both NRCan and the license working group have said that the CANVEC license is compatible with the OSM contributor terms. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] wetlands in canvec
Hello, Is it allowed to have wetland outside of land? A good example, is in tile 040J03.3 where there is an island called Bois Blanc Island in canvec (I've also seen it referred to as Boblo Island). Most of the island is a single inner way but there is wetland connected to the island outside of this way. This impacts coastlines too. If wetlands should not be outside a coastline way, then import is going to be much more difficult in some cases as a number of ways will need to be cut up to make a new coastline. For example, the island mentioned above is in an area that is rendered using coastlines (river between two great lakes). So, is it ok to have wetland outside a coastline? Does the canvec to osm conversion need to be changed? -- James (Jay) Treacy tre...@debian.org ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] wetlands in canvec
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:48 PM, James A. Treacy tre...@debian.org wrote: Hello, Is it allowed to have wetland outside of land? I don't know. I think it depends on how your definitions match for the extent of the wetland vs. the extent of the other water body. Certainly tidal water can be represented differently via high tide, low tide, mean markers, etc. If the data is coming from different sources or versions I think we should be surprised if the edges line up. Even surveying a wetland along a river would be tricky. I don't know how I would decide where one stops and the other starts, or if they overlap. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] wetlands in canvec
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 03:29:43PM -0400, Bégin, Daniel wrote: Bonjour James, A wetland outside of land is allowed in Canvec and in Osm... See http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.63532lon=-73.4594zoom=15layers=M The wetland spreads each side of the coastline feature Thanks. That is exactly what I needed to know. Daniel -Original Message- From: James A. Treacy [mailto:tre...@debian.org] Sent: June 7, 2011 14:48 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] wetlands in canvec Hello, Is it allowed to have wetland outside of land? A good example, is in tile 040J03.3 where there is an island called Bois Blanc Island in canvec (I've also seen it referred to as Boblo Island). Most of the island is a single inner way but there is wetland connected to the island outside of this way. This impacts coastlines too. If wetlands should not be outside a coastline way, then import is going to be much more difficult in some cases as a number of ways will need to be cut up to make a new coastline. For example, the island mentioned above is in an area that is rendered using coastlines (river between two great lakes). So, is it ok to have wetland outside a coastline? Does the canvec to osm conversion need to be changed? -- James (Jay) Treacy tre...@debian.org ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- James (Jay) Treacy tre...@debian.org ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P
Hello, I believe I am looking for a subtile of 040P but the directory ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is empty. This brings up a related point: Is there a web page that makes it easy to find the tile you want? A mashup would be ideal. I took a quick look at the openstreetmap OpenLayers api and it has at least some of the capability needed. In fact, given a list of the centers of the tiles, we could use the example, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openlayers_POI_layer_example with trivial modifications to display an icon on each one. Clicking on an icon would display the URL for the corresponding osm file. Here is what textfile.txt would look like: lat lon title description iconiconSizeiconOffset 48.9459301 9.6075669 040J03.3.osmTo get the .osm file for this tile go tobrftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/J/040J03.zip Ol_icon_blue_example.png24,24 0,-24 [the coordinates in the above are not correct] There are some issue, though, which I can go into if people like this idea. -- James (Jay) Treacy tre...@debian.org ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P
I personally use http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/browse.do?produit=cdeddecoupage=50kmap=canada Also ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is populated fine for me. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P
Bonjour James, When I clik on the link you provide I can see all expected 040PXX files (the directory is not empty). May be you are trying to access them through http? Have a look at http://geogratis.gc.ca/geogratis/en/faq.html#q4 We don't have the ressources to provide the community with something else for the moment. Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: James A. Treacy [mailto:tre...@debian.org] Sent: June 7, 2011 16:06 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P Hello, I believe I am looking for a subtile of 040P but the directory ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is empty. This brings up a related point: Is there a web page that makes it easy to find the tile you want? A mashup would be ideal. I took a quick look at the openstreetmap OpenLayers api and it has at least some of the capability needed. In fact, given a list of the centers of the tiles, we could use the example, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openlayers_POI_layer_example with trivial modifications to display an icon on each one. Clicking on an icon would display the URL for the corresponding osm file. Here is what textfile.txt would look like: lat lon title description iconiconSizeiconOffset 48.9459301 9.6075669 040J03.3.osmTo get the .osm file for this tile go tobrftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/J/040J03.zip Ol_icon_blue_example.png24,24 0,-24 [the coordinates in the above are not correct] There are some issue, though, which I can go into if people like this idea. -- James (Jay) Treacy tre...@debian.org ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 04:25:09PM -0400, Nakor Osm wrote: I personally use http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/browse.do?produit=cdeddecoupage=50kmap=canada Also ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is populated fine for me. Wow. It hasn't worked for a week for me and it just worked fine. -- James (Jay) Treacy tre...@debian.org ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
Hate to jump in where it's not wanted but... Just wondering if there is some kind of middle ground solution here. John clearly does not feel comfortable with having his imports in the database and so has removed them. Not something we would like to see happen too often, but it has happened. Is it possible to restore his original imports and the subsequent edits by others, but do so using another account name so that John's is not associated with the data? I would think that this should meet John's desire to have his name removed from the data, and from our perspective, could constitute a new import. In this case, I would think that John could take some comfort in knowing that he did what he felt he needed to do... namely remove the data that he did not feel comfortable with anymore... for whatever reason. We could then restore the data without having to do through the painstaking process of reimporting from a CanVec source and re-edit. It would simply be an import under another account. Changing the licensing mid-stream is bound to cause some issues many of which will be totally unforeseen. There has to some kind of reasonable solution here. Thanks, Sam -Original Message- From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com To: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan? Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:12:24 -0400 To recap: The objective of moving to ODBL is to give a stronger legal position for the database. This position can be undermined if any included data has not been directly created by a mapper in the field. In my edits I have included at least one bus stop from GTFS data, I don't have the rights to license it under CC-by-ODBL. At the time it was done my expectation was that this information would become available under CC-by-SA in the short term this has not happened. I have included information from a source that had other information on it. Not a major crime but it is technically a breach of copyright. The two paragraphs above basically undermine any legal case that OSM would have concerning Ottawa data unless the data is removed when brought to your attention which is why I haven't specifically mentioned them before. Note it has now been brought to your attention and the responsibility for the integrity of the database is now yours if you choose not to accept the deletions. There are probably a few other instances in there somewhere. I have requested that my CT status be reverted. I have tried to request that my change sets / data be removed and I have manually deleted the suspect data which I think is all I can reasonably do. If you revert the deleting edits then you undermine the legal case for protecting the OSM database. If my CT status was reverted then the older data would be deleted in time by OSM. I saw a post to that effect recently from Frederick in a reply to some one who mentioned they couldn't accept the new CT. That and Fredrick's comment that people were deleting data that wasn't added under the new CT triggered the decision to remove the data I had added to the project. Basically the sooner its done the less impact it will have. Leave it around and others will edit it so their edits get lost as well. There has been some discussion that I think you are aware of within OSM about imports. Basically the new CT is not import friendly. As a contributor you are responsible for the data you add to the project. This includes ensuring that only data that meets the licensing can be included. I don't think anyone can say what the license in future will be changed to or even if it will be changed. Essentially this means I cannot give an undertaking to CANVEC that OSM license will be compatible and acceptable in the future when I don't know what that license will be. OSM I think is changing to be a map that is done by people on the ground with GPS devices. That's fine, I have surveyed and added a number of footpaths and I'm more than happy to add them to the project. I think if you look at Google you'll see imported bus stops. I don't think OSM will ever be reliable enough for people to use it for bus stops unless they are imported. In North America today I think regretfully Google and Bing have essentially won when we look at what people use. OSM is a very niche product. It happens to be one I personally like very much. The Ottawa map I have hosted in Google documents using Maperitive is still the only one I know of where you can find WLAN locations that are wheelchair accessible and the data is searchable. To protect the OSM database I think you have to remove my edits. I'll add the footpaths etc that have been manually surveyed back in later. Thanks Cheerio John On 7 June 2011 13:24, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I would be extremely happy to see all my
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
The reverting has already begun. I have looked at some of the features deleted and some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. -Original Message- From: Samuel Longiaru longi...@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:34:44 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. But why would that surprise you? The objective was to remove dubious data from the database not to delete anything else. Cheerio John On 7 June 2011 17:37, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: The reverting has already begun. I have looked at some of the features deleted and some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. -Original Message- From: Samuel Longiaru longi...@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:34:44 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
I am surprised that you removed a feature that was 100% not connected with you in any way. -Original Message- From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:32:11 To: gor...@pinetree.org Cc: Samuel Longiarulongi...@shaw.ca; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan? some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. But why would that surprise you? The objective was to remove dubious data from the database not to delete anything else. Cheerio John On 7 June 2011 17:37, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: The reverting has already begun. I have looked at some of the features deleted and some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. -Original Message- From: Samuel Longiaru longi...@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:34:44 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
A bug in JOSM? It's a fair chunk of code that has been added to over the years so practically no one person really fully understands the code any more. Bit like the old IBM operating systems on average they used to add a bug practically every time they updated to take a bug out. The selection used was user:Johnwhelan within an area. I have noticed that the author field doesn't appear to be 100% accurate always and the editing process isn't absolutely solid. By the time one has created on none ECC memory and sent a file across an internet connection its a sort of works most of the time thing rather than bullet proof. I have ECC memory on the machine I use for editing so a memory glitch shouldn't have happened. Cheerio John On 7 June 2011 18:33, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: I am surprised that you removed a feature that was 100% not connected with you in any way. -- *From: * john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:32:11 -0400 *To: *gor...@pinetree.org *Cc: *Samuel Longiarulongi...@shaw.ca; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan? some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. But why would that surprise you? The objective was to remove dubious data from the database not to delete anything else. Cheerio John On 7 June 2011 17:37, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: The reverting has already begun. I have looked at some of the features deleted and some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. -Original Message- From: Samuel Longiaru longi...@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:34:44 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P
From: James A. Treacy [mailto:tre...@debian.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P Hello, I believe I am looking for a subtile of 040P but the directory ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is empty. This brings up a related point: Is there a web page that makes it easy to find the tile you want? A mashup would be ideal. I personally use a poster sized NTS map of BC to identify tiles and a sheet of plastic over top of it to write notes as I import, but it'd be nice having a map with at least basic features (rivers, lakes) with a NTS overlay. I also have a poster sized map of the city with a grid on it for when I have to systematically do something to the entire city area by area. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
