Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Talk-fr mailing list bounce policy
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, Tom Hughes wrote: > This is a matter for the talk-fr admin - they need to change the > list settings (the from_is_list setting) to munge the from addresses > of senders with a hard DMARC policy or the resulting bounces caused > by the list forwarding to gmail and other sites that enforce DMARC > policies will cause those recipients to be unsubscribed. Who is "the talk-fr admin"? How can I contact him? The page below says the talk-fr list is managed by talk-fr-owner at openstreetmap.org so I sent an email to that address but I did not hear back and I'm still regularly getting kicked out (last time was last thursday). https://lists.openstreetmap.org/admin/talk-fr The "Admins" column is empty for the "talk-fr" line on the page below: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists And the page below provides no way to contact administrator of specific lists: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/admin The only address it provides is mail...@openstreetmap.org but as far as I can tell that's not who I should contact. So how can I get this to move forward? -- Francois Gouget http://fgouget.free.fr/ E-Voting: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Talk-fr mailing list bounce policy
Any news on this? My subscription got deactivated again yesterday evening: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 23:57:15 On Sat, 21 Dec 2019, Francois Gouget wrote: > > Regularly users on the talk-fr mailing list get kicked off. It's my > third time this month! Whenever it happens it looks like multiple users > across multiple ISPs get kicked off at the same time. > > The notification message mentions "excessive bounces" without specifying > how many bounces occurred or providing any information that would help > diagnose the reason for the bounces. Most users rely on their ISP email > servers and thus cannot look at the server logs either. > > Here's the relevant extract of this message (without the link and > password): > > > Votre abonnement à la liste Talk-fr a été désactivé suite à due to > excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 21-Dec-2019. Vous ne recevrez plus de messages en provenance de cette > liste tant que vous n'aurez pas ré-activé votre abonnement. Vous > recevrez encore 3 rappels comme celui-ci avant que votre abonnement ne > soit supprimé. > > Pour ré-activer votre abonnement, vous pouvez répondre simplement à ce > message (en laissant la ligne Subject: --Objet-- du message intact) ou > vous rendre à la page de confirmation à l'adresse : > > --- > > > Debian also has to deal with bounces on their mailing lists and there > are two things that they do which improve the situation greatly: > > 1. The notification email contains a link to the last bounce >including all the email headers (see attachment). >- This helps get a sense of why the bounce occurred. >- Most of the time it's a spam false positive. Note that most users > cannot prevent their ISPs from doing at least some level of spam > filtering. >- Users can however report false positives to their ISPs, but only if > they can provide the full email headers of the message that > bounced. The link in the notification message provides that > information and thus there is at least a chance that ISPs can > improve. >- The link remains valid for about a week. This way the Debian > servers don't end with a glut of bounced emails. > > 2. A user gets kicked out only if more than 80% of the emails got >bounced over a period of 7 days. Notification emails get sent at a >much lower threshold (I presume weekly in the presence of bounces). >This still lets Debian purge old accounts from their mailing lists >without randomly kicking users out. > > > So it would be great if OSM could implement a similar policy on Talk-fr > (and the other mailing lists at your discretion). > > > -- Francois Gouget http://fgouget.free.fr/ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away - and barefoot.___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Talk-fr mailing list bounce policy
Regularly users on the talk-fr mailing list get kicked off. It's my third time this month! Whenever it happens it looks like multiple users across multiple ISPs get kicked off at the same time. The notification message mentions "excessive bounces" without specifying how many bounces occurred or providing any information that would help diagnose the reason for the bounces. Most users rely on their ISP email servers and thus cannot look at the server logs either. Here's the relevant extract of this message (without the link and password): Votre abonnement à la liste Talk-fr a été désactivé suite à due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 21-Dec-2019. Vous ne recevrez plus de messages en provenance de cette liste tant que vous n'aurez pas ré-activé votre abonnement. Vous recevrez encore 3 rappels comme celui-ci avant que votre abonnement ne soit supprimé. Pour ré-activer votre abonnement, vous pouvez répondre simplement à ce message (en laissant la ligne Subject: --Objet-- du message intact) ou vous rendre à la page de confirmation à l'adresse : --- Debian also has to deal with bounces on their mailing lists and there are two things that they do which improve the situation greatly: 1. The notification email contains a link to the last bounce including all the email headers (see attachment). - This helps get a sense of why the bounce occurred. - Most of the time it's a spam false positive. Note that most users cannot prevent their ISPs from doing at least some level of spam filtering. - Users can however report false positives to their ISPs, but only if they can provide the full email headers of the message that bounced. The link in the notification message provides that information and thus there is at least a chance that ISPs can improve. - The link remains valid for about a week. This way the Debian servers don't end with a glut of bounced emails. 2. A user gets kicked out only if more than 80% of the emails got bounced over a period of 7 days. Notification emails get sent at a much lower threshold (I presume weekly in the presence of bounces). This still lets Debian purge old accounts from their mailing lists without randomly kicking users out. So it would be great if OSM could implement a similar policy on Talk-fr (and the other mailing lists at your discretion). -- Francois Gouget http://fgouget.free.fr/ Hiroshima '45 - Czernobyl '86 - Windows '95Dear subscriber, We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress fgou...@free.fr. In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-devel 4 bounces out of 100 mails in 7 days (4%, kick-score is 80%) (https://lists.debian.org/bounces/MmmPJ+ZGdBf5lA6SgIyEGA) (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce and will be valid for seven days.) If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly remove your subscription. Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are rejected by your mail provider. If you are your own mail provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org from Content filtering. However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your bounce rate remains low. For more information see https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this message was sent in error. Sincerely, The Listmaster Team -- http://lists.debian.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
