Peter Miller wrote:
On 7 Aug 2009, at 08:02, Shaun McDonald wrote:
On 7 Aug 2009, at 00:06, Mark Williams wrote:
Peter Miller wrote:
This is the A13 and it in the ncn13 relation which I think is wrong
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23406798
Any thoughts? Anyone fancy following it up?
Actually no, the NCN13 route _IS_ down the A13! Bizarre but true..
It skips off for the flyover at Gallows Corner in Romford maybe one or
two other side jaunts, but basically you're on the A13 from quite well
into London (East Ham or so) until Basildon, there are occasional red
stickers to prove it a marked cycle lane on the A13, complete with
3-lane dual carriageways national speed limits.
You get crossing places marked at the slip roads, not usually with NCN
stickers just white paint.
I have seen the occasional cyclist mad enough to use it too!
I'm not absolutely certain of the routing onto the A13 at the Basildon
end, as it just might go down Southend Road Corringham into Stanford, at
least one way, but I think it doesn't. It does cross over the A13 to
Southend road on a bridge, One Tree Hill, but then could back-track to
8-Bells roundabout, or do the Southend Road route, the signs peter out
just where they might be useful.
I wondered about this before I tagged it but I double-checked it,
because it seemed so daft, and the signs, as they say, were there.
I have cycled sections of the NCN13 from about Dagenham Dock into
London. There is a cycle path on the side of the road (often
segregated by a small bump kerb and the path is on both sides of the
2-4 lanes in each direction) and so in that way it is quite safe. Not
cycled further west though. Where I have the data I have been trying
to get the parallel cycle path added to OSM as whoever added the ncn
13 to begin with just added it to the trunk road's main carriage way
and even I really wouldn't want to cycle along the A13 for any great
distance! Also the way that you join from side roads can be a little
different in many places.
The information on Sustrans mapping and OSM mapping is wildly different
for NCN13. I am of course not proposing that we use Sustrans mapping
information as a source, but as a 3rd party check it seems to through up
some significant questions about trunk road sections.
It's worth a check, I only found a few signs miles of cycle lane. In
particular I think it was Gallows Corner with a sign where the flyover
has a no-cycling sign there was a notice - they've just done a lot of
work on that though.
It is however the case that most* of the A13 in Essex has a cycle lane
clearly marked yes, you'd be nuts, and yes, the council did it they
don't cycle.
More recently the Thurrock council have added a cycle path along the old
A13 in Grays which would make a lot more sense to use, I did wonder
about tagging it that way but there is no NCN signage it felt very
unilateral so I didn't.
Mark
* All the bit's I've looked at..
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