Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery round Bristol
Just so you know, Bristol has got FIVE different satellite imagery layers available for tracing. You can compare these at http://osmz.ru/imagery/#16/51.4523/-2.5961/mb Though Bing looks the most recent of all, followed by Esri. Ilya 24.09.2017 11:46, Neil Matthews пишет: I think Bing imagery round Bristol has been updated (I can see new Metrobus works) but at it's highest level it has lost the brightness and clarity I used to enjoy. A quick check in Bath / London and quality seems as before. Presume that there's no way of changing any settings/caches to access the previous set of tiles? As it happens the ESRI layer is almost as good as the old Bing layer -- gets a bit more pixellated and doesn't zoom in quite as far as the Bing layer in Josm. Is there any way to get the ESRI layer to zoom better/more/interpolate in a smoother manner (in Josm). Any thoughts appreciated -- I've got several months worth of house/building surveys to add -- and I'd got used to the stunning quality of the previous Bing imagery. Thanks, Neil ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Bing imagery round Bristol
I think Bing imagery round Bristol has been updated (I can see new Metrobus works) but at it's highest level it has lost the brightness and clarity I used to enjoy. A quick check in Bath / London and quality seems as before. Presume that there's no way of changing any settings/caches to access the previous set of tiles? As it happens the ESRI layer is almost as good as the old Bing layer -- gets a bit more pixellated and doesn't zoom in quite as far as the Bing layer in Josm. Is there any way to get the ESRI layer to zoom better/more/interpolate in a smoother manner (in Josm). Any thoughts appreciated -- I've got several months worth of house/building surveys to add -- and I'd got used to the stunning quality of the previous Bing imagery. Thanks, Neil ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
I'm still experiencing this. I've been looking at lots of different locations and can't access imagery above zoom 19 for anywhere I've checked. I've also been checking using different computers, but I'm basically seeing the same thing in all cases. The only change I've noticed is that I can now no longer see the zoom 20 tiles on the Bing website either. They have disappeared from there in the last five days. The following page is useful for quickly checking which zoom levels are available: http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/ It's best to zoom in until no more imagery is available, because for me the overlay tiles at the lower zoom levels are sometimes inaccurate, presumably because they have been cached. Regards, Will On 08/03/2014 15:39, jonathan wrote: Any updates on this, I'm still experiencing it all over Redditch and surrounds? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 04/03/2014 22:26, Andy Robinson wrote: I think we need to be careful when comparing what might be visible via the bing map website and what's available to our editing software platforms via the bing API. We are only meant to derive data from the latter as far as I recall. Clearly both platforms are not the same. As for differences that individual mappers see when using the same software, that needs more investigation as it doesn't seem logical unless it's simply a difference in caching which will presumably resolve itself fairly quickly. Cheers Andy *From:*SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] *Sent:* 04 March 2014 18:36 *To:* Eric Grosso *Cc:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery (taking these in a slightly different order) Eric Grosso wrote: So from my point of view, the problem described initially by Will is still a current one. Indeed - higher up this thread I mentioned a location in Mansfield which used to have z18 imagery and now no longer does for me (in Potlatch 2). In Wolverhampton, there are different problems which are combined, not only a problem with the imagery at a zoom level higher than 19. To take an example, using the Bing maps website (http://www.bing.com/maps/) and searching for Birch street, Is what I see in wolves_bing.com_aerial.png what you're referring to here? I got that by going to Bing.com, searching for Birch Street, Wolverhampton, zooming in in the southern end of Molineux and switching to aerial. Interestingly, I don't see this problem in Potlatch 2 - there I get wolves_p2_background.png (or JOSM FWIW). . If you switch to the aerial imagery without showing the labels, you can access a reasonable good imagery which is the one which is used until the zoom level 19. I'm not sure what you mean here - I don't use Bing's website so I'm not familiar with it and don't obviously see a show the labels option. I'm running Chrome on Windows 7 without Silverlight, if that's relevant. It's certainly interesting that I see different aerial (not Birds Eye) imagery via bing.com than via the OSM editors. The point that I was actually trying to make (rather badly) was that west of there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=18/52.72277/-2.1 imagery that was present in December but absent in January had reappeared as of this Monday, and therefore any missing imagery issues that there are currently may be temporary. Cheers, Andy Attachments: wolves_bing.com_aerial.png: http://imgur.com/MOCd2xs wolves_p2_background.png: http://imgur.com/cdf4ej0 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7144 - Release Date: 03/03/14 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Any updates on this, I'm still experiencing it all over Redditch and surrounds? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 04/03/2014 22:26, Andy Robinson wrote: I think we need to be careful when comparing what might be visible via the bing map website and what's available to our editing software platforms via the bing API. We are only meant to derive data from the latter as far as I recall. Clearly both platforms are not the same. As for differences that individual mappers see when using the same software, that needs more investigation as it doesn't seem logical unless it's simply a difference in caching which will presumably resolve itself fairly quickly. Cheers Andy *From:*SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] *Sent:* 04 March 2014 18:36 *To:* Eric Grosso *Cc:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery (taking these in a slightly different order) Eric Grosso wrote: So from my point of view, the problem described initially by Will is still a current one. Indeed - higher up this thread I mentioned a location in Mansfield which used to have z18 imagery and now no longer does for me (in Potlatch 2). In Wolverhampton, there are different problems which are combined, not only a problem with the imagery at a zoom level higher than 19. To take an example, using the Bing maps website (http://www.bing.com/maps/) and searching for Birch street, Is what I see in wolves_bing.com_aerial.png what you're referring to here? I got that by going to Bing.com, searching for Birch Street, Wolverhampton, zooming in in the southern end of Molineux and switching to aerial. Interestingly, I don't see this problem in Potlatch 2 - there I get wolves_p2_background.png (or JOSM FWIW). . If you switch to the aerial imagery without showing the labels, you can access a reasonable good imagery which is the one which is used until the zoom level 19. I'm not sure what you mean here - I don't use Bing's website so I'm not familiar with it and don't obviously see a show the labels option. I'm running Chrome on Windows 7 without Silverlight, if that's relevant. It's certainly interesting that I see different aerial (not Birds Eye) imagery via bing.com than via the OSM editors. The point that I was actually trying to make (rather badly) was that west of there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=18/52.72277/-2.1 imagery that was present in December but absent in January had reappeared as of this Monday, and therefore any missing imagery issues that there are currently may be temporary. Cheers, Andy Attachments: wolves_bing.com_aerial.png: http://imgur.com/MOCd2xs wolves_p2_background.png: http://imgur.com/cdf4ej0 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7144 - Release Date: 03/03/14 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Try anywhere across Wolverhampton through Willenhall to Walsall - as you zoom through to level 19 you'll briefly see a nice sharp clear image which then reverts spontaneously to a less clear image with a huge shadow which furhter obscures detail. Regards Brian On 3 March 2014 18:42, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, Try here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.92611mlon=-1.21314#map=18/52.92611/-1.21314 At this location, I can see the roof of a supermarket at zoom level 19. I get a 'No tiles at this zoom level' message if I zoom in further. Previously, I would see an area of waste ground before the supermarket was built at zoom 20. And an even older view of the site at zoom level 21. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 18:15, Eric Grosso wrote: Will, Could you please give an example of an area where the others, e.g. SK53, can see the high-resolution imagery in order to see if it works for us. Thanks, Eric On 3 March 2014 16:35, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Brian Prangle wrote: Try anywhere across Wolverhampton through Willenhall to Walsall - as you zoom through to level 19 you'll briefly see a nice sharp clear image which then reverts spontaneously to a less clear image with a huge shadow which furhter obscures detail. Have you got a link for where it's still missing? The imagery west of Wolverhampton has reappeared. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Hi Andy, In Wolverhampton, there are different problems which are combined, not only a problem with the imagery at a zoom level higher than 19. To take an example, using the Bing maps website (http://www.bing.com/maps/) and searching for Birch street, the Bing aerial imagery with labels provides only some images without details at all and for any zoom level. If you switch to the aerial imagery without showing the labels, you can access a reasonable good imagery which is the one which is used until the zoom level 19. But the high resolution imagery isn't displayed. Now, if you try to do the same thing with Newhampton road East, Wolverhampton, the South East of the road has the same problem that the one previously described. But in the North part of this road, you can see the high resolution imagery when labels are activated, but not if the labels aren't showed. So from my point of view, the problem described initially by Will is still a current one. Eric On 4 March 2014 12:05, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Brian Prangle wrote: Try anywhere across Wolverhampton through Willenhall to Walsall - as you zoom through to level 19 you'll briefly see a nice sharp clear image which then reverts spontaneously to a less clear image with a huge shadow which furhter obscures detail. Have you got a link for where it's still missing? The imagery west of Wolverhampton has reappeared. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
(taking these in a slightly different order) Eric Grosso wrote: So from my point of view, the problem described initially by Will is still a current one. Indeed - higher up this thread I mentioned a location in Mansfield which used to have z18 imagery and now no longer does for me (in Potlatch 2). In Wolverhampton, there are different problems which are combined, not only a problem with the imagery at a zoom level higher than 19. To take an example, using the Bing maps website (http://www.bing.com/maps/) and searching for Birch street, Is what I see in wolves_bing.com_aerial.png what you're referring to here? I got that by going to Bing.com, searching for Birch Street, Wolverhampton, zooming in in the southern end of Molineux and switching to aerial. Interestingly, I don't see this problem in Potlatch 2 - there I get wolves_p2_background.png (or JOSM FWIW). . If you switch to the aerial imagery without showing the labels, you can access a reasonable good imagery which is the one which is used until the zoom level 19. I'm not sure what you mean here - I don't use Bing's website so I'm not familiar with it and don't obviously see a show the labels option. I'm running Chrome on Windows 7 without Silverlight, if that's relevant. It's certainly interesting that I see different aerial (not Birds Eye) imagery via bing.com than via the OSM editors. The point that I was actually trying to make (rather badly) was that west of there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=18/52.72277/-2.1 imagery that was present in December but absent in January had reappeared as of this Monday, and therefore any missing imagery issues that there are currently may be temporary. Cheers, Andy Attachments: wolves_bing.com_aerial.png: http://imgur.com/MOCd2xs wolves_p2_background.png: http://imgur.com/cdf4ej0 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
I think we need to be careful when comparing what might be visible via the bing map website and what's available to our editing software platforms via the bing API. We are only meant to derive data from the latter as far as I recall. Clearly both platforms are not the same. As for differences that individual mappers see when using the same software, that needs more investigation as it doesn't seem logical unless it's simply a difference in caching which will presumably resolve itself fairly quickly. Cheers Andy From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: 04 March 2014 18:36 To: Eric Grosso Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery (taking these in a slightly different order) Eric Grosso wrote: So from my point of view, the problem described initially by Will is still a current one. Indeed - higher up this thread I mentioned a location in Mansfield which used to have z18 imagery and now no longer does for me (in Potlatch 2). In Wolverhampton, there are different problems which are combined, not only a problem with the imagery at a zoom level higher than 19. To take an example, using the Bing maps website (http://www.bing.com/maps/) and searching for Birch street, Is what I see in wolves_bing.com_aerial.png what you're referring to here? I got that by going to Bing.com, searching for Birch Street, Wolverhampton, zooming in in the southern end of Molineux and switching to aerial. Interestingly, I don't see this problem in Potlatch 2 - there I get wolves_p2_background.png (or JOSM FWIW). . If you switch to the aerial imagery without showing the labels, you can access a reasonable good imagery which is the one which is used until the zoom level 19. I'm not sure what you mean here - I don't use Bing's website so I'm not familiar with it and don't obviously see a show the labels option. I'm running Chrome on Windows 7 without Silverlight, if that's relevant. It's certainly interesting that I see different aerial (not Birds Eye) imagery via bing.com than via the OSM editors. The point that I was actually trying to make (rather badly) was that west of there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=18/52.72277/-2.1 imagery that was present in December but absent in January had reappeared as of this Monday, and therefore any missing imagery issues that there are currently may be temporary. Cheers, Andy Attachments: wolves_bing.com_aerial.png: http://imgur.com/MOCd2xs wolves_p2_background.png: http://imgur.com/cdf4ej0 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7144 - Release Date: 03/03/14 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: jonathan [mailto:jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me] Sent: 02 March 2014 22:48 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery Yes, I was seeing that Steve. I assumed it was due to local caching by JOSM, you see your old version briefly before the newer tile is dragged down into the cache. I'm guessing but seems likely? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 02/03/2014 15:39, Steve Brook wrote: I am getting a strange effect in JOSM where, as I move around I get a flash of the old higher quality image which then degrades to the newer poor quality image. Is the old stuff available but being superseded or overwritten by the new inferior images - any explanations. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3705/7142 - Release Date: 03/02/14 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery - West Midlands
Interestingly, Bing imagery that was present in December but missing in January has now reappeared: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=18/52.72279/-2.12197 so perhaps some kind of scheduled renewal process? Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/ 53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Has anyone tried contacting Microsoft? Chris On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Eric Grosso eric.grosso...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/ 53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Life is not the amount of times you breathe, is the moments that take your breath away. To all things comes an end. And to all things comes a beginning. Cred in inspirat, nu in expirat. in vise, nu in somn. In trait, nu in existat. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery (http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Will, Could you please give an example of an area where the others, e.g. SK53, can see the high-resolution imagery in order to see if it works for us. Thanks, Eric On 3 March 2014 16:35, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Eric, Try here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.92611mlon=-1.21314#map=18/52.92611/-1.21314 At this location, I can see the roof of a supermarket at zoom level 19. I get a 'No tiles at this zoom level' message if I zoom in further. Previously, I would see an area of waste ground before the supermarket was built at zoom 20. And an even older view of the site at zoom level 21. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 18:15, Eric Grosso wrote: Will, Could you please give an example of an area where the others, e.g. SK53, can see the high-resolution imagery in order to see if it works for us. Thanks, Eric On 3 March 2014 16:35, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com mailto:wp4...@gmail.com wrote: What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery (http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Will, Thanks. Same here. Eric On 3 March 2014 18:42, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, Try here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.92611mlon=-1.21314#map=18/52.92611/-1.21314 At this location, I can see the roof of a supermarket at zoom level 19. I get a 'No tiles at this zoom level' message if I zoom in further. Previously, I would see an area of waste ground before the supermarket was built at zoom 20. And an even older view of the site at zoom level 21. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 18:15, Eric Grosso wrote: Will, Could you please give an example of an area where the others, e.g. SK53, can see the high-resolution imagery in order to see if it works for us. Thanks, Eric On 3 March 2014 16:35, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Any comment from Microsoft on this? Chris On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:56 PM, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: My impression is that the 2008 imagery (zoom 20 and 21 is still available in JOSM). It certainly would be a disappointment because the 2008 imagery was taken in good sunlight and is mostly directly overhead. Jerry On 1 March 2014 18:41, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: Since about last Tuesday, the highest resolution Bing aerial imagery is no longer available in the Nottingham and Derby area. Previously the imagery went up to zoom level 22, but this has now been reduced to level 19. I was wondering whether this is also the case in other parts of the country? I was hoping it was only a temporary problem, but I now guess it's probably not. If it has gone for good, I will certainly miss it for tracing buildings. For what it's worth, I notice that the zoom level 20 imagery is still displayed when viewing it on the Bing website, but I appreciate we aren't allowed to use it directly from there. Regards, Will ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Life is not the amount of times you breathe, is the moments that take your breath away. To all things comes an end. And to all things comes a beginning. Cred in inspirat, nu in expirat. in vise, nu in somn. In trait, nu in existat. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
I noticed this also in a few areas, it seems the high resolution has been removed. It's still present around Chester though, so it isn't everywhere Regards Tony On 2 March 2014 12:21, Filip Chirita Rares Cristian chirita.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Any comment from Microsoft on this? Chris On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:56 PM, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: My impression is that the 2008 imagery (zoom 20 and 21 is still available in JOSM). It certainly would be a disappointment because the 2008 imagery was taken in good sunlight and is mostly directly overhead. Jerry On 1 March 2014 18:41, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: Since about last Tuesday, the highest resolution Bing aerial imagery is no longer available in the Nottingham and Derby area. Previously the imagery went up to zoom level 22, but this has now been reduced to level 19. I was wondering whether this is also the case in other parts of the country? I was hoping it was only a temporary problem, but I now guess it's probably not. If it has gone for good, I will certainly miss it for tracing buildings. For what it's worth, I notice that the zoom level 20 imagery is still displayed when viewing it on the Bing website, but I appreciate we aren't allowed to use it directly from there. Regards, Will ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Life is not the amount of times you breathe, is the moments that take your breath away. To all things comes an end. And to all things comes a beginning. Cred in inspirat, nu in expirat. in vise, nu in somn. In trait, nu in existat. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
My impression is that the imagery at zoom level 20 has gone for most, if not all, the country. This might not be noticeable everywhere: many areas will have only ever had images up to level 19. Also, some of the level 19 imagery is well lit, sharp and not particularly different from what Nottingham previously had at zoom level 20. A couple of specific areas: Chester - I've just had a look here. I believe it is zoom level 19, but it's well lit, sharp, and generally good for tracing. Nottingham - The imagery for most of Nottingham is now a bit blurry and badly lit. It's borderline whether it's usable for tracing buildings (some areas are better lit than others). An exception is the very north part of the city, which has imagery from a different source. This is much better quality (but still only zoom level 19). Regards, Will On 02/03/2014 11:35, tony wroblewski wrote: I noticed this also in a few areas, it seems the high resolution has been removed. It's still present around Chester though, so it isn't everywhere Regards Tony ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
I am getting a strange effect in JOSM where, as I move around I get a flash of the old higher quality image which then degrades to the newer poor quality image. Is the old stuff available but being superseded or overwritten by the new inferior images - any explanations. The newer imagery is going to make my job of finishing tracing the rest of the houses in my village almost impossible. I would much prefer old imagery of better quality than more recent imagery of poor quality. Does anyone have a cache of the old stuff? Steve -Original Message- From: Will Phillips [mailto:wp4...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 March 2014 14:49 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery My impression is that the imagery at zoom level 20 has gone for most, if not all, the country. This might not be noticeable everywhere: many areas will have only ever had images up to level 19. Also, some of the level 19 imagery is well lit, sharp and not particularly different from what Nottingham previously had at zoom level 20. A couple of specific areas: Chester - I've just had a look here. I believe it is zoom level 19, but it's well lit, sharp, and generally good for tracing. Nottingham - The imagery for most of Nottingham is now a bit blurry and badly lit. It's borderline whether it's usable for tracing buildings (some areas are better lit than others). An exception is the very north part of the city, which has imagery from a different source. This is much better quality (but still only zoom level 19). Regards, Will On 02/03/2014 11:35, tony wroblewski wrote: I noticed this also in a few areas, it seems the high resolution has been removed. It's still present around Chester though, so it isn't everywhere Regards Tony ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Yes, I was seeing that Steve. I assumed it was due to local caching by JOSM, you see your old version briefly before the newer tile is dragged down into the cache. I'm guessing but seems likely? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 02/03/2014 15:39, Steve Brook wrote: I am getting a strange effect in JOSM where, as I move around I get a flash of the old higher quality image which then degrades to the newer poor quality image. Is the old stuff available but being superseded or overwritten by the new inferior images - any explanations. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Since about last Tuesday, the highest resolution Bing aerial imagery is no longer available in the Nottingham and Derby area. Previously the imagery went up to zoom level 22, but this has now been reduced to level 19. I was wondering whether this is also the case in other parts of the country? I was hoping it was only a temporary problem, but I now guess it's probably not. If it has gone for good, I will certainly miss it for tracing buildings. For what it's worth, I notice that the zoom level 20 imagery is still displayed when viewing it on the Bing website, but I appreciate we aren't allowed to use it directly from there. Regards, Will ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
My impression is that the 2008 imagery (zoom 20 and 21 is still available in JOSM). It certainly would be a disappointment because the 2008 imagery was taken in good sunlight and is mostly directly overhead. Jerry On 1 March 2014 18:41, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: Since about last Tuesday, the highest resolution Bing aerial imagery is no longer available in the Nottingham and Derby area. Previously the imagery went up to zoom level 22, but this has now been reduced to level 19. I was wondering whether this is also the case in other parts of the country? I was hoping it was only a temporary problem, but I now guess it's probably not. If it has gone for good, I will certainly miss it for tracing buildings. For what it's worth, I notice that the zoom level 20 imagery is still displayed when viewing it on the Bing website, but I appreciate we aren't allowed to use it directly from there. Regards, Will ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Bing imagery update? using photo's from late 2011?
I've just noticed an update to Bing imagery in the UK. Area I was looking at was Torbay, Devon. [link http://binged.it/yq8NYY]. The updates images are not available at full zoom for some reason, so by zooming all the way in you can see the previous images. Finding it hard to give a date to the images, but I think for Torbay they were taken in late summer 2011. I've spotted land changes in images for South London that indicate a recent imagery update there. Has this happened across the UK? Apologies is this info has already come up in the list. Jason ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery update? using photo's from late 2011?
On 9 March 2012 14:22, Mike Valiant mike_vali...@hotmail.com wrote: On their website, if you select Bird's Eye view then the view stays the same to maximum resolution. If however you select Aerial view it uses images taken at a different time and then flips to the Bird's Eye view at the highest resolution. Not in London. Bizarrely, if you look at the Olympic Park in Bird's Eye view it is pre-demolition of the old industrial estates! http://binged.it/zs8itS The same appears to be the case across other parts of the capital. Regards, Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery update? using photo's from late 2011?
http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/ is the best method of checking imagery date Cheers Andy From: Jason Cunningham [mailto:jamicu...@googlemail.com] Sent: 09 March 2012 13:26 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery update? using photo's from late 2011? I've just noticed an update to Bing imagery in the UK. Area I was looking at was Torbay, Devon. [link http://binged.it/yq8NYY ]. The updates images are not available at full zoom for some reason, so by zooming all the way in you can see the previous images. Finding it hard to give a date to the images, but I think for Torbay they were taken in late summer 2011. I've spotted land changes in images for South London that indicate a recent imagery update there. Has this happened across the UK? Apologies is this info has already come up in the list. Jason ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing Imagery update
Zoom 21 contains the photos Bing have of inside your house. Not publicly available for obvious reasons. /joke The documentation is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing_imagery_analyzer_for_OSM On 25 December 2011 13:55, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: You wrote (offlist reply): I thought I had replied here already... You can tell the date of a tile by using this tool http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/ (zoom in to see the dates of high zoom levels). If I zoom in locally to z20 it says 1 more. Does that mean z21 is available if it would let me zoom closer? At z20 it is also rather vague saying Aug/2004 - Oct/2009 Shortened link of the area I zoomed in on: http://is.gd/qMufk2 Merry Christmas, Ed -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing Imagery update
I thought I had replied here already... You can tell the date of a tile by using this tool http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/ (zoom in to see the dates of high zoom levels). I listed it as the second Christmas present to mappers. http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2011/12/christmas-presents-for-mappers On 19 December 2011 19:25, Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.comwrote: Not sure how widespread the update is, but certainly the Bing Imagery covering the Isle of Wight has recently been updated to imagery taken within the last few months. There is new imagery (within ~6 months) in the North Yorkshire area. Specifically I've seen new imagery just south of Middlesbrough and in the Whitby area. The resolution isn't all that great, which seems a little strange. Craig On 19 December 2011 13:53, Stephen Gower socks-openstreetmap@earth.li wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 06:05:43PM +, Robert Norris wrote: Not sure how widespread the update is, but certainly the Bing Imagery covering the Isle of Wight has recently been updated to imagery taken within the last few months. Goes off to check nearby Portsmouth Yay finally the Spinnaker Tower is there! To view this at http://www.bing.com/maps you need to select aerial photography with the show labels option unticked. It seems to stretch from Poole Harbour in the west to Langstone Harbour in the east, and from the Isle of Wight north as far as Romsey and Chandler's Ford, but not up to Winchester. s ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing Imagery update
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 06:05:43PM +, Robert Norris wrote: Not sure how widespread the update is, but certainly the Bing Imagery covering the Isle of Wight has recently been updated to imagery taken within the last few months. Goes off to check nearby Portsmouth Yay finally the Spinnaker Tower is there! To view this at http://www.bing.com/maps you need to select aerial photography with the show labels option unticked. It seems to stretch from Poole Harbour in the west to Langstone Harbour in the east, and from the Isle of Wight north as far as Romsey and Chandler's Ford, but not up to Winchester. s ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing Imagery update
Not sure how widespread the update is, but certainly the Bing Imagery covering the Isle of Wight has recently been updated to imagery taken within the last few months. There is new imagery (within ~6 months) in the North Yorkshire area. Specifically I've seen new imagery just south of Middlesbrough and in the Whitby area. The resolution isn't all that great, which seems a little strange. Craig On 19 December 2011 13:53, Stephen Gower socks-openstreetmap@earth.li wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 06:05:43PM +, Robert Norris wrote: Not sure how widespread the update is, but certainly the Bing Imagery covering the Isle of Wight has recently been updated to imagery taken within the last few months. Goes off to check nearby Portsmouth Yay finally the Spinnaker Tower is there! To view this at http://www.bing.com/maps you need to select aerial photography with the show labels option unticked. It seems to stretch from Poole Harbour in the west to Langstone Harbour in the east, and from the Isle of Wight north as far as Romsey and Chandler's Ford, but not up to Winchester. s ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Bing imagery alignment in Potlatch 2
In this area Bing is a few metres out of alignment with features traced from historic maps and town plans. Yahoo imagery lower res seemed to fit better. A way to drag base layer like in JOSM. Or can it be corrected at source? phone: +441316502973 talk-gb-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-GB mailing list submissions totalk-gb@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' totalk-gb-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-gb-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-GB digest... Today's Topics: 1. Release of address data. (Andy Berry) 2. Re: OS OpenData and ODbL OK (Richard Fairhurst) 3. Re: Release of address data. (Ed Loach) 4. Re: Maxspeed conundrum (Peter Miller) 5. Re: OS OpenData and ODbL OK (Robert Whittaker (OSM))_ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:55:48 +0100 From: Andy Berry andynbe...@gmail.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Release of address data. Message-ID: canvu1c_pxy0jcg7qqego2m64b9va9orqkhhjgitg_h7zdib...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Release of address data may be on the cards. See www.nlpg.org.UK/Ezine.html. This may help with the release of the Nsg. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/attachments/20110729/f3f5f68c/attachment-0001.html;_ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:09:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK Message-ID: 1311941389705-6633300.p...@n2.nabble.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve Coast wrote: Hi Robert Was this resolved with (I believe) Henk's email? Robert and Steve - has there been any progress on this yet? Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OS-OpenData-and-ODbL-OK-tp6545997p6633300.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com._ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:37:25 +0100 From: Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk To: 'Andy Berry' andynbe...@gmail.com, talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Release of address data. Message-ID: 05fc01cc4dec$4705e110$d511a330$@loach.me.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 http://www.nlpg.org.uk/nlpg/eZine.htm (works in latest Firefox and IE but not in Opera, at least here). Ed From: Andy Berry [mailto:andynbe...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 July 2011 12:56 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Release of address data. Release of address data may be on the cards. See www.nlpg.org.UK/Ezine.html. This may help with the release of the Nsg. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/attachments/20110729/7e6c74ec/attachment-0001.html;_ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:11:46 +0100 From: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com To: Kev js1982 o...@kevswindells.eu Cc: Talk GB talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed conundrum Message-ID: CAMdtf+j0ddh4b89DZN-RpM6mNV=vkxjfybwb2xpwurwp9wi...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I suggest that any 'temporary' speed limit change that will last more than 6 months could reasonably be tagged in maxspeed. Shorter periods should probably use a maxspeed:temporary or some other suitable overriding tag? Fyi, I have used 'proposed:maxspeed' to hold the intended new value where signals are being introduced. 'construction:maxspeed' would I guess be appropriate where work has started. I have also used construction:lanes for sections of the M25 where the number of lanes is changing from 3 to 4. Also construction:oneway=no for a section of the A11 which will become a 2-way road when the A11 dualling is complete. Here are some examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4546874 (proposed:maxspeed) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26295971 (construction:lanes) If we go with the above speed limit tagging then it might be worth updating the ITO speed limit view to show temporary and planned changes to speed limits. Regards, Peter On 29 July 2011 10:27, Kev js1982 o...@kevswindells.eu wrote: on the a46 dualling I have been putting the reduced limits in, but here the road is on a new alignment so its for the rest of the life of the road (until is becomes part of ncn route 48 anyway!) . Shame there's no way AFAIK of tagging fixme:2013-05-01=roadworks due to finish, resurvey alignment/maxspeed and then have openstreet bugs
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery alignment in Potlatch 2
Jo Walsh wrote: A way to drag base layer like in JOSM. Hold Space and drag. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Bing-imagery-alignment-in-Potlatch-2-tp6638302p6638356.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
