Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

[Jez Nicholson]

I spent a couple of hours on data.gov.uk  this morning. I was optimistic,
having been to the #openDEFRA launch event in London this week where they
announced 11000 open datasets. I had trouble finding anything of use :(
although, user error is always  possible

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 10:43 Christian Ledermann, 
wrote:

> the best data I found is at http://cap-payments.defra.gov.uk/download.aspx
> but it only contains the postcode prefix :-(
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 19:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> >
> > This resource from DEFRA shows 102,836 "holdings" in 2013. The Excel
> > spreadsheet lists them by local authority. I haven't checked to see if
> it's
> > OGL. If it is, is anybody up for modifying Robert Whittaker's postcode
> > progress tool  to show progress by LA (obviously it will just be a colour
> > code of % progress as we don't have addresses with postcodes)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On 30 June 2016 at 19:34, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 30/06/2016 18:13, Brian Prangle wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ... some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage, some have
> >>> transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or become
> just
> >>> residential ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Indeed, farms sounds like a good idea to me.  Quite a few to the east of
> >> me seem to have been added as nodes with "place=farm; name=whatever's
> on the
> >> OS OpenData" (and sometimes name is just obviously desciptive, like
> "Poultry
> >> Farm").  It'd be great to have landuse mapped instead of just a single
> node,
> >> even if it does take a note and a subsequent survey visit to resolve
> what's
> >> become just residential and what hasn't.
> >>
> >> Is any of the farm subsidy data open (in order to figure out which are
> >> genuinely still farms)?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

[Christian Ledermann]

the best data I found is at http://cap-payments.defra.gov.uk/download.aspx
but it only contains the postcode prefix :-(

On 30 June 2016 at 19:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
> This resource from DEFRA shows 102,836 "holdings" in 2013. The Excel
> spreadsheet lists them by local authority. I haven't checked to see if it's
> OGL. If it is, is anybody up for modifying Robert Whittaker's postcode
> progress tool  to show progress by LA (obviously it will just be a colour
> code of % progress as we don't have addresses with postcodes)
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 19:34, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>>
>> On 30/06/2016 18:13, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>>
>>> ... some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage, some have
>>> transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or become just
>>> residential ...
>>
>>
>> Indeed, farms sounds like a good idea to me.  Quite a few to the east of
>> me seem to have been added as nodes with "place=farm; name=whatever's on the
>> OS OpenData" (and sometimes name is just obviously desciptive, like "Poultry
>> Farm").  It'd be great to have landuse mapped instead of just a single node,
>> even if it does take a note and a subsequent survey visit to resolve what's
>> become just residential and what hasn't.
>>
>> Is any of the farm subsidy data open (in order to figure out which are
>> genuinely still farms)?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
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If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

[Brian Prangle]

This resource from DEFRA
shows
102,836 "holdings" in 2013. The Excel spreadsheet lists them by local
authority. I haven't checked to see if it's OGL. If it is, is anybody up
for modifying Robert Whittaker's postcode progress tool  to show progress
by LA (obviously it will just be a colour code of % progress as we don't
have addresses with postcodes)

Regards

Brian

On 30 June 2016 at 19:34, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 30/06/2016 18:13, Brian Prangle wrote:
>
>> ... some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage, some have
>> transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or become just
>> residential ...
>>
>
> Indeed, farms sounds like a good idea to me.  Quite a few to the east of
> me seem to have been added as nodes with "place=farm; name=whatever's on
> the OS OpenData" (and sometimes name is just obviously desciptive, like
> "Poultry Farm").  It'd be great to have landuse mapped instead of just a
> single node, even if it does take a note and a subsequent survey visit to
> resolve what's become just residential and what hasn't.
>
> Is any of the farm subsidy data open (in order to figure out which are
> genuinely still farms)?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

[Andy Townsend]

On 30/06/2016 18:13, Brian Prangle wrote:
... some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage, some have 
transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or become 
just residential ...


Indeed, farms sounds like a good idea to me.  Quite a few to the east of 
me seem to have been added as nodes with "place=farm; name=whatever's on 
the OS OpenData" (and sometimes name is just obviously desciptive, like 
"Poultry Farm").  It'd be great to have landuse mapped instead of just a 
single node, even if it does take a note and a subsequent survey visit 
to resolve what's become just residential and what hasn't.


Is any of the farm subsidy data open (in order to figure out which are 
genuinely still farms)?


Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

[Brian Prangle]

Ed

Roughly what I do, but I separate the farmhouse by surrounding it with a
landuse=residental way. I also usually tag buildings either agricultural or
residential accordingly. Many can be listed buildings too so heritage
tagging applies. I try to connect farmyards to the road network with  a
track or service road

Regards

Brian

On 30 June 2016 at 18:20, Ed Loach <edlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Are we going to need to discuss tagging?
>
>
>
> I tend to put landuse=farmyard on the way around the farmyard and
> name=
>
>
>
> I then put the address details on the farmhouse building, and just trace
> the other buildings and add a building tag (perhaps building=barn or
> building=stable if I know for certain, but often just building=yes).
>
>
>
> Random example here: http://osm.org/go/0EHzKANQU-
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 30 June 2016 18:13
> *To:* Talk GB
> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> A new quarter starts tomorrow so we need a new topic.  How about farms?
> Or more precisely landuse=farmyard. These are major landmarks in rural
> areas, often with sizeable buildings and usually named in OS StreetView.
> The only data I've found  so far is that there are approx. 100,000
> recipients of EU farm subsidies and taginfo with approx 14,000 farms mapped
> in OSM - so a long way to go.  There are obvious problems with just
> armchair mapping - some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage,
> some have transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or
> become just residential - so lots of encouragement for long walks or cycle
> rides in the country during our glorious English summer
>
> Those of us in mappamercia want to try and concentrate our efforts in one
> place as this makes a more obvious difference to the map - so we'll be
> concentrating on the county of Herefordshire, which is generally sparsely
> mapped. You're all welcome to assist, or to suggest a similar place in your
> own region.
>
> Rob Nickerson will be setting up a taginfo script to show us a running
> daily total.
>
>
>
> Happy mapping!
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

[Ed Loach]

Are we going to need to discuss tagging?

 

I tend to put landuse=farmyard on the way around the farmyard and name=

 

I then put the address details on the farmhouse building, and just trace the 
other buildings and add a building tag (perhaps building=barn or 
building=stable if I know for certain, but often just building=yes).

 

Random example here: http://osm.org/go/0EHzKANQU-

 

Ed

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 June 2016 18:13
To: Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

 

Hi everyone

A new quarter starts tomorrow so we need a new topic.  How about farms?  Or 
more precisely landuse=farmyard. These are major landmarks in rural areas, 
often with sizeable buildings and usually named in OS StreetView. The only data 
I've found  so far is that there are approx. 100,000  recipients of EU farm 
subsidies and taginfo with approx 14,000 farms mapped in OSM - so a long way to 
go.  There are obvious problems with just armchair mapping - some farms seem to 
be little more than caravan storage, some have transformed into equestrian 
centres, small industrial parks or become just residential - so lots of 
encouragement for long walks or cycle rides in the country during our glorious 
English summer

Those of us in mappamercia want to try and concentrate our efforts in one place 
as this makes a more obvious difference to the map - so we'll be concentrating 
on the county of Herefordshire, which is generally sparsely mapped. You're all 
welcome to assist, or to suggest a similar place in your own region.

Rob Nickerson will be setting up a taginfo script to show us a running daily 
total.

 

Happy mapping!

 

Regards

Brian

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[Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

A new quarter starts tomorrow so we need a new topic.  How about farms?  Or
more precisely landuse=farmyard. These are major landmarks in rural areas,
often with sizeable buildings and usually named in OS StreetView. The only
data I've found  so far is that there are approx. 100,000  recipients of EU
farm subsidies and taginfo with approx 14,000 farms mapped in OSM - so a
long way to go.  There are obvious problems with just armchair mapping -
some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage, some have
transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or become just
residential - so lots of encouragement for long walks or cycle rides in the
country during our glorious English summer

Those of us in mappamercia want to try and concentrate our efforts in one
place as this makes a more obvious difference to the map - so we'll be
concentrating on the county of Herefordshire, which is generally sparsely
mapped. You're all welcome to assist, or to suggest a similar place in your
own region.

Rob Nickerson will be setting up a taginfo script to show us a running
daily total.

Happy mapping!

Regards

Brian
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[Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

[Brian Prangle]

It's time to move on from delivery-related things ( from looking at Robert
Whitaker's graphs http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/history/ it
looks like we made a difference onpostboxes but we'll need Robert to do
some more rigorous analysis).  Personallly I'd like to think we can keep up
some momentum on postboxes as they are a good incentive to revisit all
kinds of places.

This upcoming quarter being summer and the time for holidays we thought it
would be a good idea to concentrate on all things tourism and
tourism-related. So it's visitor attractions such as themeparks, stately
homes, museums and the like; beaches; hotels, guesthouses,hostels,
campsites; tourist information offices, interpration boards, tourist
pedestrian guideposts; and anything else you can think of that should
occupy our attention until the end of September.

Happy surveying and mapping

Regards

Brian
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