Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps
On 30/11/2018 12:07, Philip Barnes wrote: On 30 November 2018 11:49:08 GMT, Dave F wrote: On 30/11/2018 11:09, Philip Barnes wrote: It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay provided by the highway authority. They're surveyed by local authorities (paid for by us), They are only surveyed if there is some reason to amend them. Yes, obviously. Such as a path being newly added or realigned. Local authorities do not have the resources to survey the vast rights of way network. I'm not saying LAs resurvey the whole network on a regular basis, but perform the occasional work to keep it updated. They are, by law, are required to maintain a current definitive statement. They have to allocate resources to do so. My LA got into trouble for not having an inner city one. The vast majority are digitised from the original maps drawn by the parish councils in the 1950s. A survey includes researching documents as well as going out in the fresh air with a theodolite. Cheers DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps
On 30/11/2018 11:49, Dave F wrote: It's OS's lazy/arrogant/corrupt business model which prompted me to start contributing to OSM. I imagine that OS are in a difficult business because their core business is fixed, but they are obliged, by de-nationalisation, to try and create a business model that will fund it. Ordinary businesses would simply drop activities that didn't have a viable business model. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps
On 30 November 2018 11:49:08 GMT, Dave F wrote: > > >On 30/11/2018 11:09, Philip Barnes wrote: >> It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay >provided by the highway authority. > >They're surveyed by local authorities (paid for by us), They are only surveyed if there is some reason to amend them. Local authorities do not have the resources to survey the vast rights of way network. The vast majority are digitised from the original maps drawn by the parish councils in the 1950s. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps
On 30/11/2018 11:09, Philip Barnes wrote: It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay provided by the highway authority. They're surveyed by local authorities (paid for by us), who then compile the data into the definitive statement. This can be issued by them under OGL. They are "obliged" to pass the statement (more usually a visual derivation of it) onto Ordnance Survey. It's OS's lazy/arrogant/corrupt business model which prompted me to start contributing to OSM. Cheers DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps
Hi The changeset comment is absolutely correct, we must not copy from OS maps, any such changes should be reverted. It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay provided by the highway authority. These lines often differ from the on the ground reality which is what we map in OSM. Are you sure the original mapping was incorrect? If you have walked it then you can use that information to update the map but OS PROWs on their own should be taken with a large pinch of salt. Phil (trigpoint) On 30 November 2018 10:29:34 GMT, Philip Withnall wrote: Hi all, An enthusiastic new contributor in the Lakes area has admitted using OS data in one of their changesets — afaik copying from OS walking maps is not allowed, and I don’t think any of the OS OpenData data sets include PRoW designations (I’m happy to be corrected on this). What’s the right thing to do here? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65030319 PhilipTalk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps
On 30/11/2018 10:29, Philip Withnall wrote: An enthusiastic new contributor in the Lakes area has admitted using OS Unfortunately, I think there are an awful lot of enthusiasts around who think it is more important that their pet subject is mapped than that they should understand IPR rules. Quite a lot admits to be being mapped from Google Street View, although I can't pull up an example at the moment. For many people, the end justifies the means. data in one of their changesets — afaik copying from OS walking maps is not allowed, and I don’t think any of the OS OpenData data sets include PRoW designations (I’m happy to be corrected on this). What’s the right thing to do here? Notify them by a changeset comment and allow them a reasonable time to correct the problem, or reply. If that fails to happen, or the reply is defiant, contact the Data Working Group. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps
Hi all, An enthusiastic new contributor in the Lakes area has admitted using OS data in one of their changesets — afaik copying from OS walking maps is not allowed, and I don’t think any of the OS OpenData data sets include PRoW designations (I’m happy to be corrected on this). What’s the right thing to do here? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65030319 Philip ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
