Re: [OSM-talk-ie] A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/08/15 00:13, Dave Corley wrote: - In terms of representation, when it comes to looking for data from govt. bodies, again I would keep it simple. For formal (in person, snail mail) representations, if the body is based in NI, it falls to OSM Ireland, if the body is based elsewhere it falls to OSM UK. I don't know about this. I'd suggest allowing either group to be able to make formal representations. Who knows, maybe some governmental body might be more receptive to something from one group or the other? Both groups can and should discuss together before making any formal requests. We both want the same thing, and it would suck if we tied ourselves down to one method that will bite us later. Why not keep our options open? Rory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVyLb7AAoJEOrWdmeZivv27IMH+gKyx0pdP2GY/g13bqcn5dgQ eNUbmVt8/ggVhfn0Wy1VuMIUkM0RyRGdJlhEdMoGw5PtRnFsLeM44hDFfTJ/u1DO B8d19bbgzEvjkMtBmhqeaEn4KScOwCXyWhv2u0OS/AVApYr1EXotN0vSLqOvsDPw NRWTFTln3k1u//Po9v9T2S/ucwOTVmo0UaL8GO3Mwfe5K3pcFdBiTsseFNOzzcRV 0gGFCF+G5Ftmtoa0hq9d/yIpbbHiayKpJKk1iaA3TDK3QPhlGi6g2VKvZqUVLJjN 2sWWa9d/zhw041m+0tGdSDhPuYEuK4y5i4DN5Df+iwGizh/+kHP3IufELgqcKYI= =xcpq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group
Good point, something I hadn't considered On 10 Aug 2015 15:37, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/08/15 00:13, Dave Corley wrote: - In terms of representation, when it comes to looking for data from govt. bodies, again I would keep it simple. For formal (in person, snail mail) representations, if the body is based in NI, it falls to OSM Ireland, if the body is based elsewhere it falls to OSM UK. I don't know about this. I'd suggest allowing either group to be able to make formal representations. Who knows, maybe some governmental body might be more receptive to something from one group or the other? Both groups can and should discuss together before making any formal requests. We both want the same thing, and it would suck if we tied ourselves down to one method that will bite us later. Why not keep our options open? Rory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVyLb7AAoJEOrWdmeZivv27IMH+gKyx0pdP2GY/g13bqcn5dgQ eNUbmVt8/ggVhfn0Wy1VuMIUkM0RyRGdJlhEdMoGw5PtRnFsLeM44hDFfTJ/u1DO B8d19bbgzEvjkMtBmhqeaEn4KScOwCXyWhv2u0OS/AVApYr1EXotN0vSLqOvsDPw NRWTFTln3k1u//Po9v9T2S/ucwOTVmo0UaL8GO3Mwfe5K3pcFdBiTsseFNOzzcRV 0gGFCF+G5Ftmtoa0hq9d/yIpbbHiayKpJKk1iaA3TDK3QPhlGi6g2VKvZqUVLJjN 2sWWa9d/zhw041m+0tGdSDhPuYEuK4y5i4DN5Df+iwGizh/+kHP3IufELgqcKYI= =xcpq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group
Thanks for the comments Rory and Dave. It all seems very sensible and logical. Naturally if we were to engage with any organisation that is largely or primarily based in NI then it makes perfect sense to speak with you first. We could then allocate the work out between us as required. From the point of view of the organisation it makes sense that they deal with a common person for all communication. Your suggestion seems like a good starting point - the one area that might trip it up is a NI based entity that has close ties to UK Central Gov but we can figure those out on a case by case basis. Having two groups that cover NI has the benefit that we can send joint letters co-signed by both groups. This may help add some weight to our requests. Anyway food for thought. I'll have to see what the others in the UK/GB group think. Rob On 4 August 2015 at 23:13, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob, I've been thinking about this recently as I'm putting together a proposed Constitution for OpenStreetMap Ireland at the moment and will be sending it out for feedback shortly. One piece of feedback was that the issue of coverage should be called out in a mission statement or some other formal document. If we are doing this, and you are in the process of setting up OSM UK, then I think we should be smart in how we do it so that its simple in practice, workable and fair for all parties. You also have several regional groups so I'm assuming this will come up anyway in relation to Mappa Mercia, OSM Scotland etc. What I'm thinking is something along the lines of the following: - In terms of membership, leave it to the individual themselves to decide which to join, OSM Ireland or OSM UK. - In terms of logistics, data, resources, everything we have at the moment covers both North South equally so it makes sense to stay as is. If OSM UK chose to supply additional resources we can always link to those and vice versa without restriction. - In terms of representation, when it comes to looking for data from govt. bodies, again I would keep it simple. For formal (in person, snail mail) representations, if the body is based in NI, it falls to OSM Ireland, if the body is based elsewhere it falls to OSM UK. For informal (email, phone) its open to either entity, but it would be a good idea to for us to contact you in advance (and vice versa) to see if you have already been down the same road before. Those would cover 99.9% of things that might crop up. For the 0.1%, add a statement that anything else can be sorted as they arise, between rep's for each entity and in the event of no agreement, escalate to the OSMF for a final decision (though I can't ever see that being required). Let me know what you think and if you have had this come up in relation to the other smaller groups within the UK so far. Dave On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rob, Thanks for your email. Yes, we're looking into setting up OSMIE, but I'm not sure how far along that is at this stage. On 02/08/15 13:55, Rob Nickerson wrote: Personally I see no problem in going UK and those in NI can then join either group (or better still, both). This would work the same as if a OSM-Scotland group was formalised - those members can then be part of both the OSM-Scotland and OSM-UK/GB group. That's just my view. What is important to me is that I hear your views on this. That's basically the decision we came to here on talk-ie. You can see some of the discussion here ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-November/000772.html ). It makes a lot of sense for some of the things we're doing that might require talking to outside bodies, such as requesting old maps for mapping townlands. Likewise, I think we're of the view that you can have overlapping areas and people can join which ones they want. Whatever we end up doing I think it would be great if we could work together on this. We both are going to need to set up a constitution and then once established we can share work and even do joint events. Definitely! Best of luck! Rory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVv6mVAAoJEOrWdmeZivv2IGUH/R49Kq4oHXtzpndl+HE1RFxP PY/g5Qs6udSfBG+e6RP3rqOurD7uhAM0QmI9gP0ST1lcO/HCLzcATnHaS0bWdiXU OTqpPSHZSdVEdDA7cXyo51NIUakWHXehvsPBndQTLu1Z4gCNpVuGbgTGgcRtC6Eo 3/9EkOJ/GKjorA1Q051hZ+cQkt1jIp7vxHQhzPo1zXWOEwmjhAhDZnVYfypTIghG Z5l98him7GdGHPiXK1rbgAMxF1x7xeBpRQ+UrMi3y3SDpoa44Mpufa06C8mgXKGm MwrDrpy9hDKJMIIxtYlg3MSmn1I9c1XTk7eGVvyrqNGEYm2J8jmDcXa5W3WJhks= =iSBI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group
Hi Rob, I've been thinking about this recently as I'm putting together a proposed Constitution for OpenStreetMap Ireland at the moment and will be sending it out for feedback shortly. One piece of feedback was that the issue of coverage should be called out in a mission statement or some other formal document. If we are doing this, and you are in the process of setting up OSM UK, then I think we should be smart in how we do it so that its simple in practice, workable and fair for all parties. You also have several regional groups so I'm assuming this will come up anyway in relation to Mappa Mercia, OSM Scotland etc. What I'm thinking is something along the lines of the following: - In terms of membership, leave it to the individual themselves to decide which to join, OSM Ireland or OSM UK. - In terms of logistics, data, resources, everything we have at the moment covers both North South equally so it makes sense to stay as is. If OSM UK chose to supply additional resources we can always link to those and vice versa without restriction. - In terms of representation, when it comes to looking for data from govt. bodies, again I would keep it simple. For formal (in person, snail mail) representations, if the body is based in NI, it falls to OSM Ireland, if the body is based elsewhere it falls to OSM UK. For informal (email, phone) its open to either entity, but it would be a good idea to for us to contact you in advance (and vice versa) to see if you have already been down the same road before. Those would cover 99.9% of things that might crop up. For the 0.1%, add a statement that anything else can be sorted as they arise, between rep's for each entity and in the event of no agreement, escalate to the OSMF for a final decision (though I can't ever see that being required). Let me know what you think and if you have had this come up in relation to the other smaller groups within the UK so far. Dave On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rob, Thanks for your email. Yes, we're looking into setting up OSMIE, but I'm not sure how far along that is at this stage. On 02/08/15 13:55, Rob Nickerson wrote: Personally I see no problem in going UK and those in NI can then join either group (or better still, both). This would work the same as if a OSM-Scotland group was formalised - those members can then be part of both the OSM-Scotland and OSM-UK/GB group. That's just my view. What is important to me is that I hear your views on this. That's basically the decision we came to here on talk-ie. You can see some of the discussion here ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-November/000772.html ). It makes a lot of sense for some of the things we're doing that might require talking to outside bodies, such as requesting old maps for mapping townlands. Likewise, I think we're of the view that you can have overlapping areas and people can join which ones they want. Whatever we end up doing I think it would be great if we could work together on this. We both are going to need to set up a constitution and then once established we can share work and even do joint events. Definitely! Best of luck! Rory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVv6mVAAoJEOrWdmeZivv2IGUH/R49Kq4oHXtzpndl+HE1RFxP PY/g5Qs6udSfBG+e6RP3rqOurD7uhAM0QmI9gP0ST1lcO/HCLzcATnHaS0bWdiXU OTqpPSHZSdVEdDA7cXyo51NIUakWHXehvsPBndQTLu1Z4gCNpVuGbgTGgcRtC6Eo 3/9EkOJ/GKjorA1Q051hZ+cQkt1jIp7vxHQhzPo1zXWOEwmjhAhDZnVYfypTIghG Z5l98him7GdGHPiXK1rbgAMxF1x7xeBpRQ+UrMi3y3SDpoa44Mpufa06C8mgXKGm MwrDrpy9hDKJMIIxtYlg3MSmn1I9c1XTk7eGVvyrqNGEYm2J8jmDcXa5W3WJhks= =iSBI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rob, Thanks for your email. Yes, we're looking into setting up OSMIE, but I'm not sure how far along that is at this stage. On 02/08/15 13:55, Rob Nickerson wrote: Personally I see no problem in going UK and those in NI can then join either group (or better still, both). This would work the same as if a OSM-Scotland group was formalised - those members can then be part of both the OSM-Scotland and OSM-UK/GB group. That's just my view. What is important to me is that I hear your views on this. That's basically the decision we came to here on talk-ie. You can see some of the discussion here ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-November/000772.html ). It makes a lot of sense for some of the things we're doing that might require talking to outside bodies, such as requesting old maps for mapping townlands. Likewise, I think we're of the view that you can have overlapping areas and people can join which ones they want. Whatever we end up doing I think it would be great if we could work together on this. We both are going to need to set up a constitution and then once established we can share work and even do joint events. Definitely! Best of luck! Rory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVv6mVAAoJEOrWdmeZivv2IGUH/R49Kq4oHXtzpndl+HE1RFxP PY/g5Qs6udSfBG+e6RP3rqOurD7uhAM0QmI9gP0ST1lcO/HCLzcATnHaS0bWdiXU OTqpPSHZSdVEdDA7cXyo51NIUakWHXehvsPBndQTLu1Z4gCNpVuGbgTGgcRtC6Eo 3/9EkOJ/GKjorA1Q051hZ+cQkt1jIp7vxHQhzPo1zXWOEwmjhAhDZnVYfypTIghG Z5l98him7GdGHPiXK1rbgAMxF1x7xeBpRQ+UrMi3y3SDpoa44Mpufa06C8mgXKGm MwrDrpy9hDKJMIIxtYlg3MSmn1I9c1XTk7eGVvyrqNGEYm2J8jmDcXa5W3WJhks= =iSBI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group
Hi all, A few weeks ago I set up a survey to find out how people would want a potential UK/GB OpenStreetMap group to look like. Vincent kindly forwarded it to this list. The survey was focussed on what it should do and how it should structure decision making and financials. It did not ask whether the group should be GB or UK. The results of that survey are now available at https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-August/017637.html Given that you are currently looking to set up a more formal Ireland group, I felt it about time I subscribe to this list so that I can write directly to you :-) One of the areas we need to work out is whether we will be a UK or a GB group. I am told that the only reason that the mailing list is called talk-gb is that gb is the correct iso-3166 code (similarly in the early days of the internet some were pushing for .co.gb to align with this code). Quite frankly however I don't believe the naming of one mailing list should dictate our decision. Personally I see no problem in going UK and those in NI can then join either group (or better still, both). This would work the same as if a OSM-Scotland group was formalised - those members can then be part of both the OSM-Scotland and OSM-UK/GB group. That's just my view. What is important to me is that I hear your views on this. Whatever we end up doing I think it would be great if we could work together on this. We both are going to need to set up a constitution and then once established we can share work and even do joint events. Let me know your thoughts. Best wishes, Rob ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
