Re: [Talk-us] Stump the rail experts
Charlotte Wolter wrote: Here's one that could provoke all sorts of opinions about tagging. The Springerville Subdivision off the main BNSF line. I'll respond in three parts. I have a copy of an official BNSF subdivision map, and the Springerville Subdivision is on it. It is a BNSF line. Is it a subdivision or a lead? If BNSF calls it the Springerville Subdivision, then it is the Springerville Subdivision. We don't have a tag denoting whether a line is a subdivision or a lead. Is the usage industrial? I'd tag it with usage=branch. usage=industrial is meant for ports, expansive industrial parks, quarries, and the like. A 60-mile line going through mostly non-industrial areas does not qualify as an industrial line for the purpose of the usage= tag. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Rail westerly
stevea wrote: Alexander Jones wrote: * I'm in the process of retracing most of the current and abandoned lines in the San Joaquin Valley south of Stockton. Especially on the BNSF line, don't waste your time. I'm not sure why you think this is waste of time, but I appreciate the heads-up that you are working here! I was trying to say, Let's not duplicate work. It's not a waste, but I wanted to let you know I was going to be remapping that segment anyway. * I generally use 7 tags: railway=rail, operator=, old_railway_operator=, name=, usage=, electrified=, and gauge=. Yes, I'll use owner= if known, and it is name= which displays in ORM as the name of the line. Many lines had name= as the service run upon them (like Caltrain instead of Union Pacific), and I have corrected this where I know it was wrong in OSM. But I haven't corrected all of these, just the ones I know. And now I think I'll have to go back and correct name=Union Pacific as the name of Union Pacific's subdivision for the line that Caltrain is run upon: Caltrain itself should be a relation. And so on. If Wikipedia is to be believed, Caltrain owns the track between San Francisco and Tamien Station, and the UP owns the track south to Gilroy. * I still use old-fashioned (according to OpenRailwayMap) route=railway relations for the tracks. I don't think the relations are rendered, but I'm not completely sure. But I keep the IDs in the org-mode files I use to manage my work, so I could always switch the tag out if needed. I didn't quite follow that (and I agree: it appears route relations are not rendered in ORM). Sorry. I was noting the software I use for managing my rail remap projects. Charlotte wrote: Thanks for the tip about openrailwaymap.org. I have aligned many railroads in Arizona and added many others. But I distrust the naming there, so I just have left that alone. Also, I don't know how to do relations, so, if you finish California, feel free to make relations in Arizona. Relations can be a challenge for some OSM contributors. While it is technically possible to edit relations with either iD or Potlatch 2, I don't recommend it, as the GUI is klunky, confusing and error-prone. JOSM is a much better editor to edit relations in OSM (imo), and while there is a learning curve that takes practice to get the hang of it, it is relatively short and is only a small mountain to conquer. You can do it! Learning JOSM is well worth it if you're going to do any complex mapping. Great to see this enthusiasm and good communication. SteveA California Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Usage of turn:lanes on dual-carriage roads
Saikrishna Arcot wrote: Hi, I've recently started using the turn:lanes tag to specify which lanes go in which directions. However, I'm not sure on how roads that intersect with a dual-carriage road would be tagged. For example, in this[1] area, heading northeast on Highway 161 Service Road and approaching the Las Colinas Boulevard intersection, there is one lane that only turns left onto Las Colinas Boulevard and all the other lanes go straight (the right-turn has been handled before this point). In this case, would the turn:lanes tag be present only before either of the Las Colinas Boulevard ways (as it is now), or would the tag also be applied to the segment[2] between the two Las Colinas Boulevard ways? [1]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/32.90799/-96.95315[1] [2]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/233686453[2] In this case, since it's a left turn, I'd say include the turn:lanes tag through to the second way, since that's where the left turn lane ends. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways
Carl Simonson wrote: Let's not forget about segments that are part of multiple routes. For example, there's a section of I-35 in northern Missouri that is both I-35 and US 110. Or in Ames, IA there's a section of US 30 that's also known as I-35 Business. 110 is actually a state route, used to sign the Chicago-Kansas City Expressway. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Bing imagery update
Mike N wrote: In my part of SC, Bing imagery has updated! Seems to be from this year; within the last month or so. New imagery in Fresno, too. When you're remapping rail yards, it's a lifesaver. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Freeway directions
Tod Fitch wrote: For what it is worth, it is my understanding that within a state the use of a particular number, at least outside of triple digit urban beltways and penetration Interstates, is supposed to be unique. So if I-10 goes through your state, there will be no US10 nor a state highway 10. I haven't paid much attention to this in other states I've visited but it seems to hold true for California. If true throughout the US then it could be used to help validate highway route numbers. That's more of an exception rather than a rule. There's a Texas State Highway 10 near Fort Worth, despite us also having an Interstate 10. -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping
James Mast wrote: After hands down. That's how I do intersections like that with one minor difference. If the road on the right (as in the example) doesn't have a divider, I merge the ways before leaving the intersection so I would have 3 traffic light nodes instead of 4. -James That's how I map them. -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP
Dave Hansen wrote: I know the current turn restriction relations aren't suited for it. But, instead of tagging left turn restriction from X to Y shouldn't we be tagging the pavement has an arrow that says left turn only? See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Welcome, OSM-St Louis!
Kathleen Danielson wrote: OpenStreetMap St Louis Thursday, January 31. 2013 7:00pm-9:00pm St Louis Bread Company 3120 Green Mt Crossing Dr Shiloh, IL 62269 (618) 206-2400 How ironic! I used to live just a few miles south of there! Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Addresses with no house number
Paul Johnson wrote: Would it be appropriate to include addr:housename? On Jan 24, 2013 1:52 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Just skip the addr:housenumber tag? On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I've run into a situation trying to map a public school. Address as the post office knows it: Midway Public Schools 3rd Street Council Hill, OK 74428 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us I found the district's website[1], and even it has PO Box 127 as its mailing address. The Multiple addresses proposal[2] includes addr:pob=* for PO boxes, so that might work. Alexander [1] http://midway.k12.ok.us/ [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations (attn: Richard Welty, etc.)
Using your example, the network tag should say US:US:Business Alexander Michal Migurski wrote: On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: On Oct 21, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: I feel like this scrubbing process has revealed so much about the intricacies of different road networks that I'm going to take a slightly different approach, and focus my work on just the ref and modifier tags. I can standardize the US:US and US:I networks along with US:CA where I live, but I should hold off on attempting to overfit other states' network tags. Here's the newest: http://mike.teczno.com/img/OSM-Extracted-Routes-changes-2.csv.zip There are 5,828 changes now. I have left the network tags alone, generally. Most changes are focused on the ref and modifier tags. I'm looking for advice feedback. I applied these changes to OSM last night, in a series of five changesets: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13611326 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13612265 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13612825 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13612736 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13613023 Offlist, I've been talking to NE2 about the edits, and he pointed out this morning that they negatively affect shield rendering on Aperiodic: http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=15lat=38.7166lon=-77.79472layers=B Whereas formerly relations with network=US:US and the modifier in the ref failed somewhat gracefully if a bit pigheadedly (by not displaying shields at all), they now show up incorrectly as mainline routes. - NE2 NE2 asked me to revert the changes, because he's unhappy with me moving the route variant information from the ref tags to the modifier tags, e.g. turning ref=80 Business into ref=80 modifier=Business. According to the supported tagging guidelines on Aperiodic, my interpretation should be correct: The value of the ref tag on the relation must contain just the route number, without any network information. http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/supported.html I'm looking for guidance on this changeset, with the intent of making route relation information in the US internally consistent. I can simply revert it, but I wasn't happy with the state of relation tags before and I'll continue to look for ways to make them consistent nationally. I can apply a new changeset that moves or duplicates the variant information in the modifier tags to the ref tags, but this feels incorrect. I can apply an alternative changeset that moves or duplicates the variant information to the *network* tags (another recommendation from the Aperiodic tagging guideline), but previous conversations about this change led me to believe that messing with the network tags too much would be a Bad Idea. For those of you with an interest in the route relations, what do you think is the correct next move here? NE2, I've been talking to you offlist but I hope you jump in here. -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations
Paul Johnson wrote: FM and RM are the same network...seems odd for them to show up twice here... I could've sworn that the general consensus from a previous argument was one network per shield type. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Remap-a-tron level 2 complete! Suggestions for level 3?
Alan Millar wrote: Another suggestion: motorways and trunks without lanes=number tags - Alan I'd help out with that. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Consensus on SR for state route versus state abbreviation?
Charlotte Wolter wrote: Hello all, Was there ever consensus on whether to use SR (or some variation on that) for state highways versus an abbreviation of the state name (CA or NY). I remember that there was discussion, but I don't remember if there was consensus. Thanks. I personally prefer using the state abbreviation (CA or TX), and when I fix the refs on highways using both, I set them all to the state abbreviation. Ideally, we'd all use route relations for this. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Announcing Remap-a-tron
Charlotte Wolter wrote: I did, too, but it was a road very close to the United States, just a mile or two over the border (the Colorado River) from Arizona. Yeah. Mine was in Ciudad Juarez, across from El Paso. However, the Remap-a-Tron tool is so good, who cares? Why wasn't something like this planned along with the original redaction? +1 Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Announcing Remap-a-tron
Martijn van Exel wrote: Although this tool currently only covers the US, it would be relatively straightforward (given proper server resources) to deploy it for other regions or even worldwide, which is why I include talk@ as well. Umm. I just got a road in Mexico! ;) Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US Portland - Call for participation
Martijn van Exel wrote: Thanks for clarifying that, Bill. Yes, it is Portland, Ore. After a year in the US, I know where most of the 50 states are, but I am still learning about the various Portlands, Springfields, Manchesters etc. Please bear with me as I assimilate. For me, it's Springfield, Illinois, as I am an Arizonan by birth, Illinoisan at heart, and Texan by residence. But most importantly an Illinoisan. And Manchester is the home of my favorite football club, the Red Devils. ;) And at least you have an excuse for not knowing where the states are. My brother, who has lived in the US for his entire life, doesn't even know where Nebraska is. I don't know how he passed 7th grade. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
David ``Smith'' wrote: I've been having a bit of fun remapping unclean areas based on cleanmap and remapping after the bot. It's a bit like the initial TIGER cleanup, but this time I feel extra pride at achieving even higher quality than in that effort years ago. (More experience, better tools, more familiarity with tools, better imagery, etc) I'll admit Columbus isn't as hard-hit as Los Angeles, but having the right attutude might help cleaning up SoCal seem less painful. And if you could use another armchair mapper in the effort, I'll try to bring my optimism with me. Count me in too! Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Some observations and motivation
I know that this probably isn't the best forum for what I'm about to write, but I feel this should be heard by a wide audience. And yes, this is on- topic. - What is OpenStreetMap? Well, the way I see it, OSM is a community. A community of volunteers, drawn together by the common goal of making this the best map in the world. Sometimes, we disagree on things. Whether it's tagging or policy, we work through this on a daily basis. You see, I come from a free software world. Not unlike this project. I believe that if you see something wrong, you fix it yourself. You don't complain about issues. You come up with solutions. I don't claim to be the best mapper. Or the best at anything I do. But I give my best to OSM. I think very highly of this project, and I dedicate much of my own time to improve it. With that said, there are problems that this project is currently facing. I would definitely recommend OpenStreetMap to anyone with an interest in mapping, and a sense of community. Sadly, though, I just feel that I can't recommend OSM, especially in its current state, to say, my non- technical mother. However, instead of assigning blame, I see this as a call to action. OSM isn't striving to be the best. It is the best. Not because it's the most complete, or the most usable, not even because it's free. No. OpenStreetMap is the best map in the world because it is built on the ideals of community. Community involvement drives this project. We would have nothing without this community. It's the best because it's ours. So, let's stop bickering, and make it even better. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
Charlotte Wolter wrote: Do you have any idea how big LA is? You can't just delete huge sections of the San Fernando Valley and start over. Start over from what? With no street names? That's just not feasible. --C What I meant is, well... I use the awesome TIGER 2011 overlay in JOSM. I know the Valley is different from Visalia (in the other Valley), but it's easier for me to draw new ways than realign old ones. If the way is reasonably correct, I'd just realign it. My strategy is intended for ways that are horribly misaligned. Like in Visalia. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-transit] License agreements
What do you think of the license agreements for the GTFS data from Metrolink (Southern California; [1]) and VIA (San Antonio; [2])? [1] http://www.metrolinktrains.com/help/page/title/developer_resources [2] http://www.viainfo.net/Opportunities/DevLicense.aspx Alexander ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-us] Work to be done
The city boundaries near San Antonio probably have to be reimported. It's a nightmare to work with, and I don't have the requisite multipolygon experience to do such a major task. Also, the I-10 relation in Texas is way too big (over 2000 members). I likely could take care of this myself, but I'd like to know where I should split it. Thanks -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering
stevea wrote: Most specific shields in California look good and familiar, as you make correct distinctions between Interstates and state routes. However, county routes (designated by a regional letter and a number, such as S 21) are not rendered with proper shields at all. This is a critical component for many areas. You probably should know that I've been adding the S21 tags to Old Highway 101. I could add a route relation for it if needed. And oddly, in the San Diego area, CA 209 and CA 75 (Point Loma and Coronado, respectively) don't render with your newer shields, but the old style Mapnik shields. Even in read only mode I am unable coax JOSM to read only so I can't see what these (S 21, CA 209 and CA 75) tags are. It may be that they are tagged in a wrong or odd way, it may be that you aren't catching a certain case of things, I'm not sure. Rosecrans is technically no longer a state highway, as CA 209 was decommissioned in 2003. I could take another look at 75 when the database is editable again. PS Shouldn't Palomar Airport Road be S12? -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Update on remapping
James Mast wrote: Well, the database has just gone read-only at about 4:08 AM EDT. I was lucky enough to finish the cleanup of the entire Pittsburgh, PA area minus some businesses that people added that I couldn't verify since I hadn't been in those parts of the city before or recently. So, they will get axed by the OdbL bot when they run it. Thankfully, it's not that many. I was even able to get in a last minute edit to save some of US-19 in West Virginia in a section that moonwashed tainted by deleting and retracing it. So, I did the same thing he did, haha, and was able to get it uploaded with less than 4 minutes before they went into read-only mode. And I'm right now working on a little more cleanup of US-19 in WV that I'll attempt to upload right after the database goes live once again (if I'm awake when it happens and the ID's haven't changed). So, who else here was at least somewhat successful in their objective in data cleanup (I still think this whole thing was kinda stupid, as I'd rather been fixing/adding new stuff instead of redoing stuff that others added)? -- James I got done most of my local area (NW San Antonio), but US-90 west of town will be trashed according to OSM Inspector. Luckily, SA wasn't as bad as our neighbors up I-35. (read: Austin) Still, I might have to remap some bus routes I've done. :( Most of the damage was from college students who obviously are no longer active. -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-transit] What happened to Transiki?
I was looking over some old conversations, and I found something called Transiki. What ever happened to it? It seems like such a great idea. There's really almost no record of it ever existing now. -Alexander ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Colors
Hillsman, Edward wrote: Alexander wrote: Another thing: does adding the color tag to a route relation actually do anything right now? I think that it definitely should. -Alexander OSMTransport, at http://3liz.fr/public/osmtransport/, displays the route colors. So if a system has a Red Line or Blue Route that is commonly referred to as such, the color tag enables this to be shown. For the routes I have mapped in Tampa, FL, I have included the colors that the local transit agency recorded in its GTFS file, which we have permission to use in OSM. However, I think the agency uses the colors only for mapping on its own website. People here refer to routes by number or destination, not color. I have not mapped all of the agency's routes, and probably won't until I get all of the dual-carriageway roads split (because remapping the route relations is cumbersome and error-prone). I am not aware that anyone else is using the color tag but would like to know if anyone else is. Also, note that OSMTransport does not update frequently. Edward L. Hillsman, Ph.D. Senior Research Associate Center for Urban Transportation Research University of South Florida 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100 Tampa, FL 33620-5375 813-974-2977 (tel) 813-974-5168 (fax) hills...@cutr.usf.edu http://www.cutr.usf.edu Very infrequently. I started work on VIA in San Antonio over two months ago, and it's still not on there. -Alexander ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-us] Problem user
What do we do about user balrog-kun? He apparently declined the new terms, but he is using an alternate account that has accepted the new terms. He is a prolific editor in the areas I work in (San Antonio and California). Would we end up deleting everything he has touched? (And in effect, from my limited experience, a relatively large portion of the country.) -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Problem user
Toby Murray wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 3/24/2012 9:06 AM, Alexander Jones wrote: What do we do about user balrog-kun? He apparently declined the new terms, but he is using an alternate account that has accepted the new terms. He is a prolific editor in the areas I work in (San Antonio and California). Would we end up deleting everything he has touched? (And in effect, from my limited experience, a relatively large portion of the country.) I believe this has been, or will be resolved: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-January/007233.html This should already be taken into account in the license change algorithm. I worked with him on IRC to come up with a query of all of his changesets outside of Poland and put them all on the changeset exclude list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quick_History_Service/Changeset_Lists#balrog- kun_bot.2Fbbox_edits He will still show up in various history views (JOSM history, the deep history viewer on mapki.com, etc) as having declined the license but the objects he has touched should not be showing as license dirty in the JOSM license check plugin or the Potlatch license view. Toby Got it. Thanks. -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-transit] OpenStreetMap
Barbeau, Sean wrote: Alexander, In my opinion, getting written permission from the Transit Manager at the transit agency should be adequate. They are essentially agreeing to the OSM license by giving you permission to upload, and you are their proxy for the upload. Got it. Unfortunately GO-Sync was developed prior the Public Transport proposal (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport), so it is not fully supported. Since GTFS only defines bus stop position (and not position of amenities or location where bus actually stops), bus stop position is what GO-Sync syncs, and all attributes are considered tags for the bus stop node. So, the stop schema is not currently supported. GO-Sync does support the route schema, but Khoa reminded me that the XAPI server is still having issues with relations, which are required to sync a route, so the route syncing capabilities aren't currently functional. I already did the routes, but what I need are the stops... We did a paper and presentation at the ITS World Congress last year on the tool, and these are the best resources for details on how the tool works: Khoa Tran, Ed Hillsman, Sean J. Barbeau, and Miguel Labrador. GO! Sync - A Framework to Synchronize Crowd-Sourced Mapping Contributions From Online Communities and Transit Agency Bus Stop Inventories, Proceedings of the 2011 ITS World Congress, Orlando, FL, October 18, 2011. Paper - http://goo.gl/9dxxS Presentation - http://goo.gl/n5V9z We'd definitely welcome any collaboration if someone wants to try and update the tool to consider items in the Public Transport approved proposal. I did some Java programming a while back. I've been doing more in Python recently, but maybe I could take a look at the code and see what I could do. -Alexander ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] OpenStreetMap
Two things. First, I received permission from the Transit Manager at Yuba- Sutter Transit, but would it be proper for me to wait for an exact license? Secondly, does GO-Sync support the Public Transport approved proposal? I've already done most of the routes there, using that schema, and I'd prefer not to have to redo them. -Alexander Barbeau, Sean wrote: Alexander, I'm not sure of the exact project you're working on, but if it involves importing GTFS datasets into OSM you might want to check out an open-source tool GO-Sync that we created last year: http://code.google.com/p/gtfs-osm-sync/ In addition to a bulk import of GTFS into OSM, this tool also has the ability to try and sync bus stop changes in OSM with a GTFS dataset, in an attempt to grab crowd-sourced improvements to the bus stop inventory back for the agency. This tool is currently mainly for bus stops, though, and not the relations for routes on OSM streets. We've stayed away from trying to automatically sync route relations on roads since this is complex and requires significant manual inspection to ensure the data is coded correctly. Relations for bus stops and their memberships in routes, though, is handled in GO-Sync. Our project that focused on the creation of this tool has ended, but we certainly hope the community will continue to benefit from it, and build on top of it if possible. I agree that the individual transit agencies need to provide permissions for the OSM upload, if they are the ones that own the GTFS data. Before we did any imports with GO-Sync, we obtained permission from the agency. Sean Sean Barbeau Center for Urban Transportation Research University of South Florida -Original Message- From: talk-transit-requ...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-transit-requ...@openstreetmap.org] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:01 AM To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Subject: Talk-transit Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4 Send Talk-transit mailing list submissions to talk-transit@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-transit-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-transit-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-transit digest... Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: Re: OpenStreetMap (Alexander Jones) 2. Re: Fwd: Re: OpenStreetMap (Peter J Stoner) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:48:02 -0500 From: Alexander Jones happy5...@gmail.com To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-transit] Fwd: Re: OpenStreetMap Message-ID: 2416208.ycxyv2o...@happy5214.no-ip.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I got this email in response to one that I had sent. It has to do with GTFS data that we could possibly use in OSM. As you can see, the company responsible for creating the data is supportive of the idea, but noted that it is up to the individual transit providers to license the data. Tell me what you think. And I know that OSM isn't a Wikipedia for mapping, but the differences probably aren't significant to people not involved directly with both. -Alexander -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 10:29:45 From: Aaron Antrim aa...@trilliumtransit.com To: Alexander Jones happy5...@gmail.com CC: Keith Martin keith_mar...@sbcglobal.net Hi Alexander, Thank you for your email. Trillium does not have rights to license Yuba- Sutter Transit GTFS data. Those rights are for the Yuba-Sutter Transit to assign. The agency has chosen to make their data public, however without a license: http://www.gtfs-data-exchange.com/agency/yuba-sutter-transit/ I'd encourage the data to be integrated with OSM. Trillium works for many other public transit agencies, most of which have public GTFS data. I'd be happy to encourage those agencies to integrated their data in OSM. Let me know how I can help make this happen. Competition, options, and open data are good for everyone. Cheers, Aaron -- Aaron Antrim Trillium Solutions, Inc. www.trilliumtransit.com Portland, Oregon 503.567.8422 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Alexander Jones happy5...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, my name is Alexander Jones, and I am a member of the volunteer-mapping project, OpenStreetMap. Think of as like a Wikipedia for mapping. I have been in contact with Yuba-Sutter Transit, about the possibility of using its/your bus stop data for the OSM project. The Transit Manager there told me to contact you about this. My question is: under what license would you be willing to license your data under? Allowable terms would be similar to Wikipedia
[Talk-us] More TIGER importing
Hey, is there some sort of tutorial for a beginner (me) to import TIGER 2011 data for a really small town (Wheatland, CA)? I'm going to be doing a bus route there, but half the streets on it aren't even in OSM. Any help appreciated. -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] More TIGER importing
Josh Doe wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: [snip] Just converting the TIGER shapefiles into OSM format is a challenge - I've uploaded a copy of Yuba county from 2011 - http://www.greenvilleopenmap.info/Yuba_CA.zip Alexander, I'd recommend you use this data for testing the process only, but not uploading, as it has not been processed thoroughly yet. I personally believe, and I think consensus is growing, that none of the tiger:* tags should be imported (I delete all of them after working on a way). Ref tags should be populated with the route number, such as SR 20, and oneway tags seem to be missing from dual carriageways. Also, the segments need to be glommed, that is joining multiple ways with the same tags into one way, to make future editing easier. In other words, please be careful, it is not a simple process. The only thing I would add is that you should only do a very small section, such as a new subdivision, then come back to this list and let us know the changeset ID/link so we can take a look at it. -Josh Yikes, I already uploaded it! :X The changeset is here[1]. Please revert if necessary. I'll be asleep the rest of the day, and I'll be back at around 7 PM Central. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10978229 -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Parabens - Voce foi sortedo(a) com 10.000 pontos fidelidade - Clique aqui e resgate.
James Mast wrote: Can somebody PLEASE kill this spam that's been showing up the last few days? I'd appreciate it. -- James So much for this list being moderated. ;) I took that to mean that all posts had to be reviewed before they became visible. -Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mapnik slower than usual?
Nathan Edgars II wrote: Is it just me, or are there more timeout magnifying glasses than usual? Is this due to the Osmarender server going down? Good, so it isn't just me. PS I had some trouble sending this article. My news reader said that the group was read-only. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Parabens - Voce foi sortedo(a) com 10.000 pontos fidelidade - Clique aqui e resgate.
How on earth did this get past the moderators? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
