Re: [Talk-hr] Razmjena podataka?
Matija Nalis mnalis-openstreetmapl...@... writes: Nama osobno sigurno ne bi, pitanje je da li bi smetalo zakonu o autorskom pravu i srodnim pravima (NN 167/2003). ... Hvala obojici na odgovorima. Sudeći po svemu navedenome, podaci iz moje baze baš se i ne kvalificiraju za OSM. Čak i da dozvolim korisnicima da uređuju podatke, ne mogu te podatke slati OSM-u jer je moguće da su sami korisnici pokupili informaciju sa nekog od web-siteova. Mislim da je jedina opcija prihvatljiva OSM-u da prosljeđujem isključivo podatke koje je unio pojedinac o lokaciji vlastitog biznisa? Viktor. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe
Just to add, we are also allowed to give the data to anybody outside OSM who wish to use them. But I propose they should get an approval of the group and not just me for that matter. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:17 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just got a word from DigitalGlobe re: clarification on the license agreement. Here is the reply: You have full permission to distribute it as you feel you need to, to as many people as you need to, as long as when applicable, you credit the imagery to DigitalGlobe. Provided we do not sell the imagery, it is completely OK to use the data in OSM. Yay! As a preview here's the coverage of data (attached) quickbird_coverage.png An example imagery showing inundated riverbanks post San Roque dam (October 09, 2009) flooded_banks.png The rest of the images are archive (2006) but still very useful. I have been reviewing Gaza's experience on how they used a similar imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Palestine_Gaza#Commercial_aerial_photography There are several options we can explore in order to share the load on tracing the imagery: 1. Create a secured non-cacheable WMS - pro: anybody with proper credentials can access the data and use it in josm or merkaartor. con - need a server to host and maintain 2. Give the actual images to interested volunteers - pro: easy to distribute just provide a download link or send a dvd con: we cannot guarantee that the imagery won't be sold or anything. Just so you know this cost around 2.8 million pesos from a local reseller. 3. Let's organize a map tracing event - pro: we have another social event to look forward invite LGUs who can use the data. con: logistical preparations As some of you know me personally, I would prefer to give out the data to anyone interested but given the explicit request by DigitalGlobe not to let the data (raw imagery) used for profit, I am somehow hesitant in this case. A good parnership with DigitalGlobe can help is in the future. Any ideas? cheers, maning On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Yep! Good enough for our purpose. I'm 10% finished with the download (poor PC)! Will post details on the data when I'm done. In the meantime we need to discuss how we can share the load in extracting the data (covering 700 sq km @ 0.6 meter resolution) within the bounds of product license. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Is the imagery rectified already? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: That's really the plan. They are aware that we are using it for OSM to support disaster recovery efforts. Offline tracing is OK but re-distributing the imagery. Based on experience, is not OK. On 10/20/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Can't we just formally ask DigitalGlobe that we will be tracing their images for OSM? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, DigitalGlobe provided high-res images for some areas affected by Pepeng in Northern Luzon. I am downloading them now. Might take 1 full day (maybe more) to finish. I would like to share them to the group so that they can help tracing the roads. However, I don't think DigitalGlobe allows for public access of the images. Any suggestion how we can proceed? Maybe a satellite tracing party? @ Mikel, can you share your experience with Gaza? AFAIK, you have access to highres images in the area but a similar non-public release of the images ws part of the agreement? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers,
[OSM-talk] using indic fonts with josm
Hi, I have indic fonts installed in my machine, but when I try to type them in josm, I just get little boxen - how does one install indic (or any font) font support in josm? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
Hello, based on an old (abandoned) proposal and on a discussion in the German board I have created a new proposal for tagging mineshafts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft In addition to this proposal I would like to discuss the tag resource. In my proposal resource is used to describe what is mined for with the mineshaft. These resources are the same that can be used in a power plant, but there they are tagged as power source. It's the same with pumping_rig and pipelines, where this resources are tagged as type. What do you think about standardizing this and replacing all this different tags with one: resource? lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
2009/10/20 Lesi l...@lesi.is-a-geek.net Hello, based on an old (abandoned) proposal and on a discussion in the German board I have created a new proposal for tagging mineshafts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft In addition to this proposal I would like to discuss the tag resource. In my proposal resource is used to describe what is mined for with the mineshaft. These resources are the same that can be used in a power plant, but there they are tagged as power source. It's the same with pumping_rig and pipelines, where this resources are tagged as type. What do you think about standardizing this and replacing all this different tags with one: resource? lesi Not sure thats going to work Power Plants produce Electricity from the resource Mine Shafts produce the resource. A Processing Plant, will produce one resource and take in a different one, I agree standardizing on resource might be a good idea but we might need resource_output and resource_input or somthing Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Peter Childs wrote: I agree standardizing on resource might be a good idea but we might need resource_output and resource_input or somthing Are you an economist? from my worldview which deals with people and biological systems i don't see an importance in designating where on its path the resource lies how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
there are mineshafts and BIG mineshafts and open cut mines and mining in english has its own language to describe the parts of the mine For open cut mines there is another draft. IMO they are something completly different. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining The intention of this proposal is to tag the most important and most visible part of a mine - not the other parts, which are just normal buildings. The area of the mine can be tagged with landuse=industrial. and some mineshafts have winding gear on headframes and lots of other things Having winding gears is the main purpose of a headframe IMO. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and no references to surface_mining. Do you know what people are using currently? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution
Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: The main issue of debate surrounds exactly what forms of attribution are/are not valid. And this is not made easier by the fact that what is valid and what not is not the community's decision but (within the confines of the license text) that of the individual contributor. Assuming for a moment that my contributions to OSM are copyrightable and the CC-BY-SA license is valid, then if I license my data CC-BY-SA I have the right to request anyone using my data, or building or using derived versions thereof, to provide attribution in the form I believe is required, and I can drag them to court if they don't. So even if the attribution you provide looks ok to the majority of the community, it only needs one especially vociferous individual who has contributed to the data you are using to cause you trouble. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and no references to surface_mining. Do you know what people are using currently? In the area I map the mineshafts are currently not mapped at all. Also looking at mineshafts in other parts of the world they are very often not mapped. Sometimes they are tagged with tourism=attraction (especially when they can be visited), sometimes with historic=mine (if they are disused), sometimes there is only a note, that there is a mineshaft. But it seems mostly they are not mapped because people do not know how to tag them. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
and no references to surface_mining There is also landuse=quarry which can be used for surface mines. But actually they are not part of my proposal - it refers only to underground mining. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
2009/10/20 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and no references to surface_mining. Do you know what people are using currently? I checked 2 places I know of for surface mining: one uses landuse=quarry (IMHO errateously) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.60024lon=14.24461zoom=15layers=B000FTF the other one is not in use anymore and does not define any area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.5545lon=14.0141zoom=13layers=B000FTF cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
2009/10/20 Lesi l...@lesi.is-a-geek.net: It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and no references to surface_mining. Do you know what people are using currently? In the area I map the mineshafts are currently not mapped at all. Also looking at mineshafts in other parts of the world they are very often not mapped. Sometimes they are tagged with tourism=attraction (especially when they can be visited), sometimes with historic=mine (if they are disused), sometimes there is only a note, that there is a mineshaft. But it seems mostly they are not mapped because people do not know how to tag them. There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't get anywhere near it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution
- Original Message From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 October, 2009 13:13:31 Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: The main issue of debate surrounds exactly what forms of attribution are/are not valid. And this is not made easier by the fact that what is valid and what not is not the community's decision but (within the confines of the license text) that of the individual contributor. Assuming for a moment that my contributions to OSM are copyrightable and the CC-BY-SA license is valid, then if I license my data CC-BY-SA I have the right to request anyone using my data, or building or using derived versions thereof, to provide attribution in the form I believe is required, and I can drag them to court if they don't. So it seems I have stumbled back on to the license debate. So even if the attribution you provide looks ok to the majority of the community, it only needs one especially vociferous individual who has contributed to the data you are using to cause you trouble. I guess this will only be resolved / improved by ODbL. Until that time, i guess the more attribution the better and following the guidelines on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ will suffice. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
2009/10/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't get anywhere near it. You're missing the point: this is not about whether it is possible to get there or not, but how to map them, which tags to use if you know where they are, which parts might be interesting, etc. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
2009/10/20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2009/10/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't get anywhere near it. You're missing the point: this is not about whether it is possible to get there or not, but how to map them, which tags to use if you know where they are, which parts might be interesting, etc. cheers, Martin I didn't miss anything, just pointing out why they aren't mapped, and it isn't because people haven't figured out what to tag them with. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to add an extra level of indirection, so that you don't end up having disused or closed things being confused with things that are still in operation. Shaun smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't get anywhere near it. I know mineshaft you can get very close to (2-3m). With your argument half of the features of OSM should not be mapped e.g. historic=wreck or streets within the ground of a factory. And once again: mineshafts which have a headframe are very good points of reference. Often names of mineshafts are also used to describe where something is (e.g. somebody could say: You will not know the street, but it's near the Foobar Mineshaft.). Mineshafts and mines are also mapped on many commercial maps. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to add an extra level of indirection, so that you don't end up having disused or closed things being confused with things that are still in operation. Shaun Could you explain this further, I do not understand what you mean. disused=yes is quite popular and used in combination with many other things. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
2009/10/20 Lesi l...@lesi.is-a-geek.net: I know mineshaft you can get very close to (2-3m). With your argument half of the features of OSM should not be mapped e.g. historic=wreck or streets within the ground of a factory. And once again: mineshafts which have a headframe are very good points of reference. Often names of mineshafts are also used to describe where something is (e.g. somebody could say: You will not know the street, but it's near the Foobar Mineshaft.). Mineshafts and mines are also mapped on many commercial maps. If most of the world only has low res sat imagery, and shaft heads usually are only a few pixels wide on low res, so how do you mark them if you can't get close to them? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:44, Lesi wrote: On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to add an extra level of indirection, so that you don't end up having disused or closed things being confused with things that are still in operation. Shaun Could you explain this further, I do not understand what you mean. disused=yes is quite popular and used in combination with many other things. I'll take an example of an amenity=cafe since it's one that I know slightly better. If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Instead you should use something like old_amenity=cafe, or amenity=closed;closed=cafe, that way there won't be any confusion. As another example for when a road is under construction, you can use highway=constriction;construction=primary, thus routing engines won't route along that road. If you added a construction=yes or similar tag, it would require so much more complex logic in the processing of the osm data that it wouldn't be practical to do it this way. Shaun smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors
Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host? This is for tracing features on a donated high-res images (0.6 meters) for post-disaster efforts (Typhoon Kestana and Parma) in some areas in the Philippines -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? * Create a mapnik style that has one layer (the geotiff) and one rastersymbolizer * Run generate_tiles.py to make google-projection tiles * Put them on a webserver. They are already in the right folder structure so any webserver will do * You're good to go! You can supply extra parameters in the Potlatch url if you want to direct people to the imagery without having to paste in anything into the custom url box. For a working example, see http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=52.191248lon=-1.701483zoom=18tileurl=http://andy.sandbox.cloudmade.com/tiles/stratford/!/!/!.png I'd avoid WMS for this stuff. If you can't get it working I can process it and host the tiles for you. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions
On 10/16/09, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Erik Johansson wrote: Open Database License (ODbL) “Attribution and Share-Alike for Data/Databases” Yep. Exactly. CC-BY-SA, famously, allows you to combine different types of creative content as a collective work. Wikipedia regularly combines GFDL text with CC-BY-SA photos, and no-one bats an eyelid: it's a collective work. I now have a practical case. Routes for public transports are usually printed on a map, this map is usually licensed and it might be difficult to get permissions to distribute the map on the net (see picture). So how do I get to use OSM data for free? you always get to use OSM data for free - that's the point! i guess what you mean is how do i get to use OSM data in conjunction with other licensed data without releasing the other licensed data? under the linking system described previously in this thread (hereafter The Fairhurst Doctrine), i think that the following would be required: I can store my data as 1. already georeffed shape files if neither the geometry, not any attributes, have come from OSM, then there's no need to release them. even if the shapefile is rendered together with OSM data, it doesn't create a derivative database at any point - it's essentially the same as rendering a pushpin mashup - so it's a collective work. 2. shapefiles of the routes that are created from OSM data anything that comes from OSM would need to be released, e.g: geometry or attributes. other attributes not coming from OSM may not, under the Fairhurst Doctrine, unless they are modifications of attributes already existing in OSM. in my view, the shapefile geometry would need to be released, along with a dbx file containing all the attributes which originated with or derived from OSM, but not ones from any non-OSM dataset. however, it's possible that the whole dbx file may be considered a whole derivative database, as dbx files aren't capable of the sort of relational linkage that was discussed before. 3. route relations in OSM format, but no from OSM (just referencing IDs in OSM) i think this doesn't require any release of those relations, as they're basically just lists of OSM way IDs. under the Fairhurst Doctrine, such lists aren't qualitatively substantial and therefore aren't derivative databases. 4. description used by bus drivers to get around there's nothing in the description derived from OSM, so my view is that this doesn't need to be released. it's a list of directions, after all. Then a separate database with Share-Alike Openstreetmap data. this would need to be made available, of course. cheers, matt ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
I worried that the use of language might prove to be confusing and the the buildings associated with a mine should have a separate tag. 1. Mineshaft may exist but we are going to be mapping the location mine entrances, not the tunnel leading away from the mine entrance. In the future someone may want to map the 'way' that the mineshaft follows especially if its a horizontal tunnel going into a hillside 2. What we want to locate, or map, are mine entrances. Mine entrances to are mostly small and most go horizontally into hillsides. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Mine_entrance.jpg I assume most are too small to map as an area in OSM. They would have to be mapped as a node. 3. There are plans to supply info on structures associated with mines as part of the tag, notably the Pit Head. I think this could be confusing and people would map the outline of the Pit Head structure and tag it as a 'mineshaft'. The Pit Head should be mapped separately as a building and this should be made clear. 4. The term Headframe is used to describe a Pit Head, which is confusing. More problems with language use. Pit Head appears to be the correct term for the building or structure. Jason 2009/10/20 Lesi l...@lesi.is-a-geek.net Hello, based on an old (abandoned) proposal and on a discussion in the German board I have created a new proposal for tagging mineshafts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft In addition to this proposal I would like to discuss the tag resource. In my proposal resource is used to describe what is mined for with the mineshaft. These resources are the same that can be used in a power plant, but there they are tagged as power source. It's the same with pumping_rig and pipelines, where this resources are tagged as type. What do you think about standardizing this and replacing all this different tags with one: resource? lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors
On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? * Create a mapnik style that has one layer (the geotiff) and one rastersymbolizer * Run generate_tiles.py to make google-projection tiles * Put them on a webserver. They are already in the right folder structure so any webserver will do * You're good to go! You can supply extra parameters in the Potlatch url if you want to direct people to the imagery without having to paste in anything into the custom url box. For a working example, see http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=52.191248lon=-1.701483zoom=18tileurl=http://andy.sandbox.cloudmade.com/tiles/stratford/!/!/!.png I'd avoid WMS for this stuff. If you can't get it working I can process it and host the tiles for you. Cheers, Andy Nice Andy. If I can help let me know as well. In Mapnik trunk I've been working on adding support for GDAL overviews, so using gdaladdo on that large Geotiff and then reading it with the 'gdal' datasource could be really useful if the geotiff is 1GB. Also, reprojecting the geotiff into EPSG:900913 will be required, before rendering with Mapnik. Cheers, Dane ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Dane Springmeyer bl...@hailmail.net wrote: Nice Andy. If I can help let me know as well. In Mapnik trunk I've been working on adding support for GDAL overviews, so using gdaladdo on that large Geotiff and then reading it with the 'gdal' datasource could be really useful if the geotiff is 1GB. Also, reprojecting the geotiff into EPSG:900913 will be required, before rendering with Mapnik. Gah, forgot to mention that! gdalwarp is the tool for this. I spent a day finding this out the hard way the first time I worked with mapnik and rasters. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
1. Mineshaft may exist but we are going to be mapping the location mine entrances, not the tunnel leading away from the mineentrance. In the future someone may want to map the 'way' that the mineshaft follows especially if its a horizontal tunnel going into a hillside 2. What we want to locate, or map, are mine entrances. Mine entrances to are mostly small and most go horizontally into hillsides. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Mine_entrance.jpg I assume most are too small to map as an area in OSM. They would have to be mapped as a node. I think you are mixing up audits and mineshafts. Mineshafts always go verticaly or almost-verticaly into the ground. You are talking about adits, that is something completly different and should be dealed with in another proposal. See Wikipedia for definitions of these terms. 3. There are plans to supply info on structures associated with mines as part of the tag, notably the Pit Head. I think this could be confusing and people would map the outline of the Pit Head structure and tag it as a 'mineshaft'. The Pit Head should be mapped separately as a building and this should be made clear. I am not sure what you mean here. The pit head is always above the mineshaft, so it makes no sense to map the mineshaft and the pithead seperatly. 4. The term Headframe is used to describe a Pit Head, which is confusing. More problems with language use. Pit Head appears to be the correct term for the building or structure. Headframe is the more correct term. A headframe is the structural frame above an underground mine shaft (see Wikipedia). Usually winding shafts have such a headframe, air shafts do not. A pit head could also be a building with an enclosed headframe. But the intention of this tag is to express if the headframe is visible, because it is a prominent point of reference. Look at the examples in the wiki. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)
I think you are mixing up audits and mineshafts. Mineshafts always go verticaly or almost-verticaly into the ground. You are talking about adits, that is something completly different and should be dealed with in another proposal. See Wikipedia for definitions of these terms. Of course I meant adit and not audit. Some people would call it a gallery. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)
If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Instead you should use something like old_amenity=cafe, or amenity=closed;closed=cafe, that way there won't be any confusion. I agree with you, but at the moment disused=yes is widely used and not deprecated. So there is no reason to use a different system with mineshafts. I would recommend to start a proposal to deprecate disused=yes and replace it with =closed;closed=. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: The area of the mine can be tagged with landuse=industrial. Too broad a definition industrial covers too much mining is quite different a landuse heavy industry doesn't build up piles of waste (mullock heaps) and then have to rehabilitate the area in the same way as mining ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: Having winding gears is the main purpose of a headframe IMO. but when the mine shaft is disused the winding gear is removed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Someoneelse wrote: no references to surface_mining. Do you know what people are using currently? I've used quarry for an open cut mine, but it isn't appropriate for the size of feature involved. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. But a disused mineshaft is still a mineshaft, it's just an abandoned one. As another example for when a road is under construction, you can use highway=constriction;construction=primary, thus routing engines won't route along that road That logic makes sense for a highway that is under construction. But I'm not sure it makes sense for an abandoned mineshaft. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: Of course I meant adit and not audit. Some people would call it a gallery. In Australia I've heard level gallery stopes and probably some other words i've forgotten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Jason Cunningham wrote: 4. The term Headframe is used to describe a Pit Head, which is confusing. More problems with language use. Pit Head appears to be the correct term for the building or structure. I don't claim to be an expert on mining language but pit head is the area / buildings surrounding the shaft, and headframe sits exactly over the shaft. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
but when the mine shaft is disused the winding gear is removed I can not confirm this. All disused mineshafts I know still have their winding gear, only the cables are removed. But even if the winding gear is removed you can tag with headframe=yes. Of courde, if the whole headframe is removed the mineshaft should be tagged with disused=yes;headframe=no. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes. lesi I wasn't thinking of disused, i was thinking of still there, with or without a mineshaft Perhaps, my English is too bad, but I do not really understand what you mean. With unmined deposit you mean the resource, but what has the resource to do with the existence of a mineshaft. Underground resources can not be mapped. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
Underground resources can not be mapped. why not? isn't that what a geology map does? I was commenting on the resource proposal really Now I get your point. The resource-tag describes for which resource the mineshaft was built. If the mineshaft is disused, it is irrelevant if the deposits are mined or unmined. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors
maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com writes: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host? This is for tracing features on a donated high-res images (0.6 meters) for post-disaster efforts (Typhoon Kestana and Parma) in some areas in the Philippines Hi, I believe you are using QGis, have you considered to have a try with it? It can for sure handle GeoTIFFs, but I am not sure how well the OSM plugin works for sending edits but at least it is opening osm files just fine and it can reproject it on-the-fly to suit the projection of the imagery. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
2009/10/20 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: The area of the mine can be tagged with landuse=industrial. Too broad a definition industrial covers too much mining is quite different a landuse heavy industry doesn't build up piles of waste (mullock heaps) and then have to rehabilitate the area in the same way as mining +1 landuse=surface_mining? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors
Ah that easy?! Look so simple versus a WMS configuration. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? * Create a mapnik style that has one layer (the geotiff) and one rastersymbolizer * Run generate_tiles.py to make google-projection tiles * Put them on a webserver. They are already in the right folder structure so any webserver will do * You're good to go! You can supply extra parameters in the Potlatch url if you want to direct people to the imagery without having to paste in anything into the custom url box. For a working example, see http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=52.191248lon=-1.701483zoom=18tileurl=http://andy.sandbox.cloudmade.com/tiles/stratford/!/!/!.png I'd avoid WMS for this stuff. If you can't get it working I can process it and host the tiles for you. Thanks for the offer. I'll contact you when we have all the images. Cheers, Andy -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com writes: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host? This is for tracing features on a donated high-res images (0.6 meters) for post-disaster efforts (Typhoon Kestana and Parma) in some areas in the Philippines Hi, I believe you are using QGis, have you considered to have a try with it? It can for sure handle GeoTIFFs, but I am not sure how well the OSM plugin works for sending edits but at least it is opening osm files just fine and it can reproject it on-the-fly to suit the projection of the imagery. Yes, I also use QGIS for editing some OSM data. But I want to share the geotiffs to the rest of the OSM-PH contributors. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)
Someoneelse wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and no references to surface_mining. Do you know what people are using currently? landuse=quarry ? 364 uses in tagwatch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
Shaun McDonald wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a widely used tag. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
Lesi wrote: I was already planning to start a proposal for heaps. At the moment I use natural=peak. Not sure what to use at the moment, but they're definitely not natural. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a widely used tag. What does shop=cafe, disused=yes mean? When a cafe is abandoned, it's no longer a cafe, it's now an abandoned building. I think the renderer is right in this example, and the tagger is, most likely, wrong (maybe there is an example of a cafe which is still a cafe, it's just a disused cafe, but this seems rare, and not something that should be widely used). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a widely used tag. What does shop=cafe, disused=yes mean? When a cafe is abandoned, it's no longer a cafe, it's now an abandoned building. I think the renderer is right in this example, and the tagger is, most likely, wrong (maybe there is an example of a cafe which is still a cafe, it's just a disused cafe, but this seems rare, and not something that should be widely used). Disused canal, fine. Disused railway, sure. Disused building, no problem. Disused quarry, yes. But disused cafe? A cafe is a building, or part of a building, which is *used* as a cafe. The use is part of the definition. a generally informal place with sit-down facilities selling beverages and light meals and/or snacks. By that definition, if they aren't selling anything, they're not a cafe. So what is a disused cafe? When they're selling but no one is buying? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
Dave F.: Shaun McDonald wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a widely used tag. Because tags like disused=yes conflict with a general principle in OSM: We don't have a fixed set of tags and mappers can invent and use their own tags, so it should be possible for software to ignore tags it doesn't know without causing problems. If I don't support distinguishing between different variants of amenity=parking, I just ignore parking=* tags entirely, and while the result is less useful, it's still correct. If I don't support disused features, I can just ignore disused=yes tags ... no wait, I can't. Of course, in order to make mapping convenient, it's sometimes necessary to break that concept (with access tags, for example), and probably we won't be able to get rid of disused/abandoned/construction/planned/proposed/etc anymore. Unfortunately, people didn't seem to like my status=disused/... proposal very much. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Because tags like disused=yes conflict with a general principle in OSM: We don't have a fixed set of tags and mappers can invent and use their own tags, so it should be possible for software to ignore tags it doesn't know without causing problems. If I don't support distinguishing between different variants of amenity=parking, I just ignore parking=* tags entirely, and while the result is less useful, it's still correct. If I don't support disused features, I can just ignore disused=yes tags ... no wait, I can't. Okay, but what if the tag is man_made=mineshaft? Is it safe to ignore the disused=yes tag then? I don't see why not. It's not like man_made=mineshaft means you can grab a pickaxe and go head for it. A mineshaft defaults to *not* being accessible to the public. Whereas a parking lot defaults to being *accessible* to the public (in fact, that's even in the definition, though the definition is somewhat ruined with the weasel-word Generally). Bottom line, is man_made=mineshaft a tag to represent the physical presence of a mineshaft, or is it a tag to represent the use of a mineshaft in mining? If the former, disused=yes is fine. If the latter, it isn't. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
Anthony schrieb: Disused canal, fine. Disused railway, sure. Disused building, no problem. Disused quarry, yes. But disused cafe? A cafe is a building, or part of a building, which is *used* as a cafe. The use is part of the definition. Well, yes and no. People might remember that there once was a cafe. They might call the building the cafe even if its no longer a cafe in use. So this is what the mapper *may* wanted to express. While I don't think the combination is well done, it but could well have its reasons. However, This obviously doesn't work pretty well in the 4th dimension, if you want to tag: this once was a cafe, before that a pub, before a bakery and before that a police_station. Another even simpler problem, if a node is tagged: shop=bakery amenity=police_station disused=yes disused refers to shop or amenity now? Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea
Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for talk-us to grow to a sizable level and then begin spinning off as required, like we did with the other lists. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Vanuatu
Hi all, I received some GPS traces from someone in Vanuatu. He had had them for some time, but didn't have the opportunity to slice them up and upload them. I took the data and used gpsbabel to split the entire GPS log into daily chunks which coincided with manageable trip segments. I checked the tracks in JOSM to make sure they were not duplicates of existing information, then uploaded them. My intention was to assist in mapping Vanuatu by tracing the GPS tracks and uploading new ways as highway=road for others with local knowledge to fix. Unfortunately I have had very little time to do this, but more to the point, I felt a little uncomfortable when I added some roads, since I am not local, and I don't know the terrain at all. The point of this message is to announce that I *have* uploaded the GPS traces, and to ask/encourage people who are familir with Vanuatu to look at them and use them to map more roads. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)
2009/10/21 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com Anthony schrieb: Disused canal, fine. Disused railway, sure. Disused building, no problem. Disused quarry, yes. But disused cafe? A cafe is a building, or part of a building, which is *used* as a cafe. The use is part of the definition. Well, yes and no. People might remember that there once was a cafe. They might call the building the cafe even if its no longer a cafe in use. So this is what the mapper *may* wanted to express. While I don't think the combination is well done, it but could well have its reasons. However, This obviously doesn't work pretty well in the 4th dimension, if you want to tag: this once was a cafe, before that a pub, before a bakery and before that a police_station. Another even simpler problem, if a node is tagged: shop=bakery amenity=police_station disused=yes disused refers to shop or amenity now? Yes But, If a Pub is tagged amenity=pub disused=yes The thing looks like a put (ie large pub like lables) hence works relatively well as a land mark, it just happens to be closed and does not sell Beer anymore. Its still useful if its a landmark. same as a disused mine shaft is. Once it gets knocked down, or reused, or as something else then the tags need changing. Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea
me too also bay area On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:00 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for talk-us to grow to a sizable level and then begin spinning off as required, like we did with the other lists. Yours c. Steve I'm in favor of deletion. Bay Area resident, - Dan ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ca] SOTM 2010 Bid for Ottawa?
Thanks Yves, yup, i DEFINATLY support the idea of Barcelona for the 2010 SOTM, (i saw on the talk-au list that maybe 2011 would be great for Austrailia, and maybe 2012 for Canada. (we should be all imported by then) :) and yes, if you can help on the sotm planning side, i think is Henk who is a contact for that, im sure sotm planners would welcome the collaboration (4 day all fun event). See below for details. (for the main talk@ list) Sam On 10/20/09, Yves Moisan yves.moi...@boreal-is.com wrote: Hi, Just wondering if anyone on the talk-ca list wants to make a bid for the 2010 SOTM? (although i like the idea of Barcelona, also) :-) A comment from someone at the FOSS4G conference here in Sydney who usually can attend *one* FOSS conference per year and desperately wants to attend SotM : let's please make a joint FOSS4G/SotM event next year so that the two very closely related communities that attend those yearly events get a chance to meet or to attend two great conferences at the same time. Ideas for organizing a joint event : * share a post- or pre- conference day for para-conference activities (e.g. workshops/code sprints for FOSS4G, mapping parties/[code][data]sprints for SotM); maybe that day would be a wednesday to accommodate 2-day conferences before and after * potentially overlap the two conferences (e.g. to accommodate one of the conference needing 3 days) but overlap should be kept at a minimum so that people could participate in both and maybe even get a rebate for registering at the two events I don't know if this is at all feasible, but I definitely think SotM and FOSS4G communities need to meet. FOSS4G 2010 will likely bring in excess of 500 or 600 people and maybe that number can be increased by the interest generated by a joint SotM meeting. And the other way around of course. I think the question will be addressed here at one of the administrative meetings (I think the OSGeo one tonight). My 2 cents, Yves Moisan -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bungalowpark
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:07:48 +0200, YRS jav...@hccnet.nl wrote: Heeft iemand al ervaring met bungalow- cq vakantieparken? Ik dacht aan tourism=chalet om te beginnen met een node, maar wat doe ik met de wegen? Meestal is eer een soort rondweg (mag ik die tertiary taggen? Nog access tags?) en een aantal bestemmings wegen. Wie heeft er ideeën? Een voorbeeldje uit de AND data: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4515lon=5.9633zoom=14layers=B000FTF Ik zie dat daar ook geen name tags op zitten. Volgens mij is een tourism=bungalowpark wel geschikt (of is dat geen internationele term?). Is het een idee om dat als nieuwe tag voor te stellen? tourism=chalet zou ik op individuele huisjes zetten. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bungalowpark
tourism=chalet word in Nederland al op meerdere plekken gebruikt voor een bungalowpark (heb ik zelf ook al gedaan voor landal suyderooghhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.38731lon=6.21564zoom=16layers=B000FTF ). Volgens de definitie ( Tag:tourism%3Dchalethttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dchalet) zowel voor enkele als een verzameling huisjes. Lijkt mij precies de lading te dekken. In engeland zie je vaak de term cottages in de naam aan de andere kant vermoed ik dat het Lodges zijn, is denk ik vergelijkmaar met ons bungalowpark. Theun, 2009/10/20 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:07:48 +0200, YRS jav...@hccnet.nl wrote: Heeft iemand al ervaring met bungalow- cq vakantieparken? Ik dacht aan tourism=chalet om te beginnen met een node, maar wat doe ik met de wegen? Meestal is eer een soort rondweg (mag ik die tertiary taggen? Nog access tags?) en een aantal bestemmings wegen. Wie heeft er ideeën? Een voorbeeldje uit de AND data: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4515lon=5.9633zoom=14layers=B000FTF Ik zie dat daar ook geen name tags op zitten. Volgens mij is een tourism=bungalowpark wel geschikt (of is dat geen internationele term?). Is het een idee om dat als nieuwe tag voor te stellen? tourism=chalet zou ik op individuele huisjes zetten. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bungalowpark
Zijn die wegen niet meestal ook eigen weg (i.p.v. openbare weg) met restrictie dat je alleen daar mag komen als je daar ook een huisje hebt (meestal ook afgezet met slagbomen). Enkele parken kunnen zelfs restrictie hebben dat je alleen van de wegen gebruik mag maken op de dagen dat mensen komen/gaan of na bepaalde tijden. Tertiary gebruiken lijkt me een beetje teveel van het goede, unclassified lijkt mij beter. mijn 2 eurocent. Myckel Op Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:07:48 +0200 YRS jav...@hccnet.nl schreef: Hallo, Heeft iemand al ervaring met bungalow- cq vakantieparken? Ik dacht aan tourism=chalet om te beginnen met een node, maar wat doe ik met de wegen? Meestal is eer een soort rondweg (mag ik die tertiary taggen? Nog access tags?) en een aantal bestemmings wegen. Wie heeft er ideeën? Vast dank voor de reactie. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bungalowpark
Myckel Habets wrote: Zijn die wegen niet meestal ook eigen weg (i.p.v. openbare weg) met Verwar 'openbaar' niet met 'publiek'. Ook een privaatweg/eigen weg kan wel degelijk een openbaar karakter hebben, en heeft dat (verkeers)wettelijk gezien veel en veel vaker dan we denken (in NL). -- Lennard ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Cijfertjes?
Hallo allemaal! Zouden de talk-nl managers Martijn van Exel en/of Henk Hoff aan kunnen geven hoeveel ingeschrevenen talk-nl heeft? Ter vergelijking; bij OSGeo is dat openbaar: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/VisibilityStats#Mailing_list_subscribers Ik wil namelijk weten hoeveel potentiële impact het heeft als we een nieuwsbericht over talk-nl uitzetten. Met vriendelijke groet, Milo van der Linden ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles aanbieden
Howdy! Ik zat te denken dat er misschien wel (nederlandse) bedrijven/instanties zijn die wel iets met OSM data willen doen maar geen zin hebben om allerlei rare software te moeten configureren om aan die data te komen. Nu zat ik te denken om van (potentieel) interessante data shapefiles ter beschikking te stellen. Denk hierbij aan: * Alle nederlandse gemeente * Alle woonplaatsen * Alle hoofdwegen (motorway, trunk, primary) in NL * Fietsknooppunten netwerk * Wandelnetwerk En er is ongetwijfeld nog veel meer te verzinnen! Dit kan prima in een cronjobje wat (per shape) eenmalig opgezet moet worden en dan kan het gewoon wekelijks updaten. Dit alles kan natuurlijk in een portal worden gegooid maar dat is voor latere zorg lijkt me. In eerste instantie is het zaak het online te krijgen :) Wat denken jullie, is het nuttig dit te doen? En hebben jullie meerdere leuke shapefiles in gedachten? --Roeland signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Cijfertjes?
Momenteel zijn er 218 abonnees op de NL-mailinglist (deze dus) Gr, Henk Op 20 oktober 2009 16:54 heeft Milo van der Linden m...@opengeo.nl het volgende geschreven: Hallo allemaal! Zouden de talk-nl managers Martijn van Exel en/of Henk Hoff aan kunnen geven hoeveel ingeschrevenen talk-nl heeft? Ter vergelijking; bij OSGeo is dat openbaar: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/VisibilityStats#Mailing_list_subscribers Ik wil namelijk weten hoeveel potentiële impact het heeft als we een nieuwsbericht over talk-nl uitzetten. Met vriendelijke groet, Milo van der Linden ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles aanbieden
zeker handig, ik neem aan dat het vast wel gebruikt gaat worden. provinciegrenzen (al dan niet met provinciehoofdsteden) zou ook leuk zijn. er was op de osm gebruikers dag iemand die dit zeker kan gebruiken maar ik moet even nadenken hoe hij ook al weer heette, kom ik op terug :) groet, floris Roeland Douma wrote: Howdy! Ik zat te denken dat er misschien wel (nederlandse) bedrijven/instanties zijn die wel iets met OSM data willen doen maar geen zin hebben om allerlei rare software te moeten configureren om aan die data te komen. Nu zat ik te denken om van (potentieel) interessante data shapefiles ter beschikking te stellen. Denk hierbij aan: * Alle nederlandse gemeente * Alle woonplaatsen * Alle hoofdwegen (motorway, trunk, primary) in NL * Fietsknooppunten netwerk * Wandelnetwerk En er is ongetwijfeld nog veel meer te verzinnen! Dit kan prima in een cronjobje wat (per shape) eenmalig opgezet moet worden en dan kan het gewoon wekelijks updaten. Dit alles kan natuurlijk in een portal worden gegooid maar dat is voor latere zorg lijkt me. In eerste instantie is het zaak het online te krijgen :) Wat denken jullie, is het nuttig dit te doen? En hebben jullie meerdere leuke shapefiles in gedachten? --Roeland ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Cijfertjes?
Goed zo! Dank je wel Henk voor de snelle response! Met vriendelijke groet, Milo van der Linden Henk Hoff schreef: Momenteel zijn er 218 abonnees op de NL-mailinglist (deze dus) Gr, Henk Op 20 oktober 2009 16:54 heeft Milo van der Linden m...@opengeo.nl het volgende geschreven: Hallo allemaal! Zouden de talk-nl managers Martijn van Exel en/of Henk Hoff aan kunnen geven hoeveel ingeschrevenen talk-nl heeft? Ter vergelijking; bij OSGeo is dat openbaar: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/VisibilityStats#Mailing_list_subscribers Ik wil namelijk weten hoeveel potentiële impact het heeft als we een nieuwsbericht over talk-nl uitzetten. Met vriendelijke groet, Milo van der Linden ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles aanbieden
2009/10/20 Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Howdy! Ik zat te denken dat er misschien wel (nederlandse) bedrijven/instanties zijn die wel iets met OSM data willen doen maar geen zin hebben om allerlei rare software te moeten configureren om aan die data te komen. [knip] Ik heb laatst een presentatie gehad van Arcadis over Geoportals (volgens de slides zijn dat GISs voor het opslaan, bewerken (upgraden) en gebruiken van geodata) en zij gebruiken de OSM-data. Dat wil zeggen, ze hebben de data beschikbaar als één van de verschillende bronnen. Als sidenote vertelde deze persoon, werkzaam bij Informatiemanagement, onderdeel van Verkeer en Vervoer, dat ze bij uitzondering een kopie van de algemene database gebruiken omdat de server van OSM te traag is. Normaal gebruiken ze geo-services van de gegevenshouders. In hun geval is een snelle WMS en/of WFS misschien handiger, maar ik heb niet gevraagd wat ze precies met OSM doen. Maar laat je vooral niet tegenhouden door mijn sidenote, meer bedrijven en instanties is natuurlijk beter. --Roeland Groeten van Ben ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- de Campusomroep: op en achter UTV en Uradio! www.campusomroep.nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
I have tired to find some official definitions to clarify this. Here is the Australian Standard definition of a road from AS 1348—2002 Road and traffic engineering—Glossary of terms: road: Route trafficable by motor vehicles; in law, the public right-of-way between boundaries of adjoining property In other words, a road is pubic land between two properties, whatever it is surfaced with so a fire trail completely within a State Forest would not not be a road. Track is not defined in AS 1348. In fact, when track is mentioned, it is in relation to railway tracks (the steel things) or the track of a vehicle (width between the wheels). Just to confuse matters, this is what the NSW Department of Environment, Climate Change and Water says about tracks in National Parks: So what's the difference between a *trail *and a *track*? Trails are generally only one lane wide and aren't covered with gravel or any other form of road surface. You can walk or cycle on them. If a trail is open to vehicles, it will often be suitable for 4WDs only. Walking *tracks *are for walkers only. Some are only wide enough for single-file walking; others allow three people to walk comfortably side-by-side. Higher-standard tracks, usually in areas visited by many people, may be surfaced with gravel, tarmac or boardwalks. Here is a pragmatic solution based on AS 1348 and OSM custom: highway=road if it is open to the public and located between property boundaries, regardless of surface. If it is within a property (including National Parks and State Forests): - unsealed: highway=track - sealed: highway=service Cheers. 2009/10/20 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Mark Pulley wrote: This might sound like a silly question, but I was wondering if there is any guidance on when a road becomes a track. I've been driving on dirt roads since I first learnt to drive, so I might tag a way highway=unclassified surface=unsealed, where someone who has always lived in a capital city might see the same road and tag it highway=track tracktype=grade2. I'm particularly thinking of roads through forests (in particular of a road near Mt Canobolas, Orange NSW), some are in good enough condition to definitely call a proper road but others aren't as well maintained, narrower, more eroded. I haven't got any sample pictures (was busy driving!) a couple of weeks ago some rural mappers were in favour of your scheme. can i drive my car on it easily - road am i crawling along avoiding obstacles and wishing i had brought my mountain bike - track i don't grade tracks (personal belief only, if someone else wishes to spend time doing grading that's fine, but the condition of the surface varies according to when the council last graded, rain etc) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
2009/10/20 Liz ed...@billiau.net: i don't grade tracks (personal belief only, if someone else wishes to spend time doing grading that's fine, but the condition of the surface varies according to when the council last graded, rain etc) Actually I'd say tracks don't get graded, unclassified roads do. IMHO the only maintainence a tracks get is when a tree falls across the track and needs to be cut up by RFS or NPWS. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
2009/10/20 swanilli swani...@gmail.com: Here is a pragmatic solution based on AS 1348 and OSM custom: highway=road if it is open to the public and located between property boundaries, regardless of surface. Some roads go through private properties, but they aren't tracks, you usually cross cattle grids when entering/exiting the private property, even though the road is publicly accessible. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] State of the Map 2010
I've been toying with the idea of putting a bid in for SoTM 2010, would anyone else be interested in helping put together the bid? There is a wiki page up on bids for next year + links to past bids etc. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Bid ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
True, but it is probably just a technicality, in that it is the same property owner on both sides of the road, with a strip of public land (the road) down the middle. You just can't tell because there are no fences. (Actually, this is where Google maps can be useful in Australia because they do show propperty boundaries, though not always reliably.) On old maps this situation used to be marked by a sort of elongated S crossing the road to signify that the property continued. The cattle grids mark either the boundary of paddocks in the same property or the boundaries between different properties. The same thing applies to railway lines that go through people's properties. The railways call them rail corridors and these days treat them very much as private land. 2009/10/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2009/10/20 swanilli swani...@gmail.com: Here is a pragmatic solution based on AS 1348 and OSM custom: highway=road if it is open to the public and located between property boundaries, regardless of surface. Some roads go through private properties, but they aren't tracks, you usually cross cattle grids when entering/exiting the private property, even though the road is publicly accessible. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] State of the Map 2010
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: I've been toying with the idea of putting a bid in for SoTM 2010, would anyone else be interested in helping put together the bid? There is a wiki page up on bids for next year + links to past bids etc. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Bid ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au I reckon 2011 is a better bet ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
2009/10/20 swanilli swani...@gmail.com: True, but it is probably just a technicality, in that it is the same property owner on both sides of the road, with a strip of public land (the road) down the middle. You just can't tell because there are no fences. (Actually, this is where Google maps can be useful in Australia because they do show propperty boundaries, though not always reliably.) I just looked at a bit of road that goes through private property here and that seems to be the case, there is a void between properties either side of the road. The same thing applies to railway lines that go through people's properties. The railways call them rail corridors and these days treat them very much as private land. Railyway corridores appear as owned land on the Qld property boundary data... Which makes it easy to distingush the roads from railways :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] State of the Map 2010
2009/10/20 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I reckon 2011 is a better bet I tend to agree we still have a few more ducks to get in order etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
Quoting swanilli swani...@gmail.com: Here is a pragmatic solution based on AS 1348 and OSM custom: highway=road if it is open to the public and located between property boundaries, regardless of surface. Here are some ways that are between property boundaries, but definitely not roads (yes, I drove my 2-wheel drive Daihatsu Pyzar on these!): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.29107lon=149.11792zoom=17 (Orange NSW) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-30.53151lon=151.6575zoom=17 (Armidale NSW) If it is within a property (including National Parks and State Forests): - unsealed: highway=track - sealed: highway=service See John Smith's post about public roads through private property. In addition, many national parks have public access roads that are unsealed, but maintained. I think Liz's suggestion (avoiding obstacles = track, etc) makes sense, so I'll go with this, bearing in mind temporary obstacles like potholes that may be graded later. Mark P. --- They offered to transport me back to any point in history that I would care to go, and so I had them send me back to last Thursday night, so I could pay my phone bill on time. (Weird Al Yankovic, Everything You Know Is Wrong) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
2009/10/20 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au: I think Liz's suggestion (avoiding obstacles = track, etc) makes sense, so I'll go with this, bearing in mind temporary obstacles like potholes that may be graded later. You get potholes on sealed roads, so that isn't saying much :) Corrigates on the other hand are unique to gravel roads... I'd say if it looks maintained it's most likely a road, if it looks unmaintained it's more likely a track. Think those off road racing cars, could they do 100km/hr on a unmaintained track through a forest? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
swanilli swani...@gmail.com wrote: I have tired to find some official definitions to clarify this. Here is the Australian Standard definition of a road from AS 1348?2002 Road and traffic engineering?Glossary of terms: road: Route trafficable by motor vehicles; in law, the public right-of-way between boundaries of adjoining property Wikipedia says: A road is an identifiable route, way or path between places. That definition isn't any more useful or relevant than the one you found. Here is a pragmatic solution based on AS 1348 and OSM custom: highway=road if it is open to the public and located between property boundaries, regardless of surface. highway=road means A road of unknown classification. This is intended as a temporary tag to mark a road until it has been properly surveyed. If it is within a property (including National Parks and State Forests): - unsealed: highway=track - sealed: highway=service How is the proximity of a property boundary relevant to the tagging of the type of road? Tagging should be defined by things such as surface, width, lane markings, what's at the end of the road, etc. As a map user, it doesn't matter to me if the road is between adjoining properties, a public right of way through the middle of private property, or a road through a State Forest or National Park. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
2009/10/20 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au: highway=road means A road of unknown classification. This is intended as a temporary tag to mark a road until it has been properly surveyed. I think he meant highway=unclassified How is the proximity of a property boundary relevant to the tagging of Not proximity of a boundary, is it within a boundary or not. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
2009/10/20 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I'd say tracks don't get graded, unclassified roads do. IMHO the only maintainence a tracks get is when a tree falls across the track and needs to be cut up by RFS or NPWS. Many fire trails in National Parks and State Forests are graded periodically especially after heavy rain, have erosion prevention berms maintained, etc. They're definitely highway=track, usually at least 4wd_only=recommended and often 4wd_only=yes. Well it comes back to my suggestion before about offroad rally cars being able to do 100km/hr... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I think he meant highway=unclassified Probably, but that's not going to be right all the time either. Not proximity of a boundary, is it within a boundary or not. I still don't think that matters for tagging the road, only for tagging land use. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program
Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: does anyone know if gosmore or navit or other program can be persuaded to work on one of these machines? I don't know that much about WinCE, but I think software isn't portable between platforms even on the same chip architecture (eg, ARM). You'd need an SDK or appropriately configured cross-compiler, and those can probably only be (easily) supplied by the device manufacturer. You could just try this: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Compiling_Navit_for_WinCE/WinMobile I don't know how you'd execute the program once you had it compiled. If you can identify the hardware well enough you may be able to run Linux on it, and after that you can compile anything that runs on Linux. Pull the cover off and look for some markings on the main board and plug them in to Google. Next, try the markings on the biggest chips on the board. If you're lucky someone will have already done it and there will be instructions. You're probably not going to be able to get any of these things working though. Most of the time messing with these dinky embedded systems takes a good deal of knowledge and often an oscilliscope and/or soldering iron. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: Most people aren't taught to drive or grow up on dirt roads, I only have a 2wd car and I'll drive it on roads some/most people wouldn't, so that's a bit too subjective... and we have enough trouble with furriners trying to drive commodores on unsuitable roads without encouraging them by mapping roads as highway=something when for them it should be track. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
I am often mildly amused, though sometimes dismayed, by the way threads on this list head off at strange tangents. This is another and the kind of reaction one gets makes me wonder whether it is worth the effort to contribute. Just to make things clear: I noted in my original contribution that the Australian Standard definition of a road from AS 1348—2002 Road and traffic engineering—Glossary of terms is road: Route trafficable by motor vehicles; in law, the public right-of-way between boundaries of adjoining property. Surely there can be no arguing over this. I thought that in this list we were dealing with what is appropriate for Australia. This is the official, Australian Standard and you will note, in law, definition of a road in Australia. It is the definition that people like engineers and the government departments that build and maintain roads use. What is in contention is how to tag what OSM calls highways that do not fit this definition. Clearly they cannot, without causing ambiguity and confusion, be tagged as highway=road in Australia. Can we please have some rational discussion on that, directed towards guiding those of us who do tag things that are not within the Australian Standard definition for roads. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: Most people aren't taught to drive or grow up on dirt roads, I only have a 2wd car and I'll drive it on roads some/most people wouldn't, so that's a bit too subjective... and we have enough trouble with furriners trying to drive commodores on unsuitable roads without encouraging them by mapping roads as highway=something when for them it should be track. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
I am not sure how this clarifies or confuses the tagging of roads in OSM compared with the Australian Standard definition. Both seem to be saying the same thing in different words. However, to move things along it would be worth looking into http://www.ozroads.com.au, an unofficial website that summarises the classification of roads in the states and territories (e.g. http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/RTA/classifications.htm). It would be nice to have the official classifications aligned to OSM classifications (e.g. primary , secondary etc). 2009/10/21 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com Some others in government seem to already have a mistaken idea about what constitutes a road. Take the Australian Road Rules: 12 What is a road (1) A road is an area that is open to or used by the public and is developed for, or has as one of its main uses, the driving or riding of motor vehicles. Note Motor vehicle is defined in the dictionary. (2) However, unless the contrary intention appears, a reference in the Australian Road Rules (except in this Division) to a road does not include a reference to: (a) an area so far as the area is declared, under another law of this jurisdiction, not to be a road for the Australian Road Rules; or (b) any shoulder of the road. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
2009/10/21 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: Most people aren't taught to drive or grow up on dirt roads, I only have a 2wd car and I'll drive it on roads some/most people wouldn't, so that's a bit too subjective... and we have enough trouble with furriners trying to drive commodores on unsuitable roads without encouraging them by mapping roads as highway=something when for them it should be track. This is where the 4wd_only tag comes in, there are major tracks that aren't suitable for cars but have some significants, my point was just because one person may be too timid to drive on dirt roads, doesn't mean another wouldn't which isn't very useful because you are making a subjective decision based on what you would do. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?
2009/10/21 Ian Wills swani...@gmail.com: I am often mildly amused, though sometimes dismayed, by the way threads on this list head off at strange tangents. This is another and the kind of reaction one gets makes me wonder whether it is worth the effort to contribute. No one was disagreeing with you, however we don't have property boundary data for most of Australia yet so that isn't something we can readily use, especially with public roads that traverse someone's property. Surely there can be no arguing over this. I thought that in this list we Except we lack data to make these decisions based on the law. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de SC
Creio que a população da cidade faça diferença sim. Antes Natal era ofuscada por uma cidade vizinha (Parnamirim). Depois de eu colocar as populações dessas duas cidades, Natal aparece bem antes no Mapnik. Ainda há várias capitais e cidades populosas com esse problema (Recife, Rio de Janeiro, São Luiz, João Pessoa, etc.). 2009/10/19 André Marcelo Alvarenga andrealvare...@gmx.net Em Seg 19 Out 2009, Junior, Claudomiro escreveu: Faltou essa parte, que é manual :-) Prezado Claudomiro e demais colegas da lista. Há algum tempo eu venho acompanhando as mensagens da lista para conseguir juntar informações suficientes para me arriscar a contribuir para o projeto. Já li vários artigos do Wiki e, sempre que possível, leio outros artigos sobre o assunto. O único problema é que ainda não adquiri o meu GPS :-( , mas pretendo comprá-lo até dezembro. Acho que talvez seja o momento para começar a contribuir, mesmo sem o GPS. Moro em Blumenau e, por este motivo, estou interessado em trabalhar no mapa de SC. Verifiquei o mapa e constatei que algumas cidades ficaram com o nome duplicado, acho que não em decorrência da importação, mas porque já haviam sido criadas anteriormente. Deve-se manter as decorrentes da importação do IBGE e excluir a anterior? Ex: Penha. Outra constatação que fiz foi que, dependendo do zoom aplicado, algumas cidades duplicam o nome (Blumenau, por exemplo), mas quando uso o JOSM ou o Potlatch um deles não aparece (o Blumenau maior eu havia criado anteriormente, porque não havia nenhum nome antes da importação dos dados do IBGE). http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.9022lon=-49.0854zoom=14layers=B000FTF Outras cidades, como por exemplo Itajaí, não houve importação com as informações do IBGE (ao menos aparentemente não). O que define a tag place? O número de habitantes? Ela também é responsável pelo tamanho do nome da cidade que fica visível, certo? Desculpem-me pela quantidade de questionamentos de novato, mas para começar eu preciso de mais informações para não fazer coisas erradas. Após isso eu posso fazer as correções manuais necessárias no mapa de SC. Um abraço. -- André Marcelo Alvarenga Linux User: 299064 Jabber: amalvare...@jabber.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de SC
Correção: algumas dessas cidades (como o Rio) têm a informação de população. Os renderizadores que tão com algum problema, nesse caso. 2009/10/20 Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com Creio que a população da cidade faça diferença sim. Antes Natal era ofuscada por uma cidade vizinha (Parnamirim). Depois de eu colocar as populações dessas duas cidades, Natal aparece bem antes no Mapnik. Ainda há várias capitais e cidades populosas com esse problema (Recife, Rio de Janeiro, São Luiz, João Pessoa, etc.). 2009/10/19 André Marcelo Alvarenga andrealvare...@gmx.net Em Seg 19 Out 2009, Junior, Claudomiro escreveu: Faltou essa parte, que é manual :-) Prezado Claudomiro e demais colegas da lista. Há algum tempo eu venho acompanhando as mensagens da lista para conseguir juntar informações suficientes para me arriscar a contribuir para o projeto. Já li vários artigos do Wiki e, sempre que possível, leio outros artigos sobre o assunto. O único problema é que ainda não adquiri o meu GPS :-( , mas pretendo comprá-lo até dezembro. Acho que talvez seja o momento para começar a contribuir, mesmo sem o GPS. Moro em Blumenau e, por este motivo, estou interessado em trabalhar no mapa de SC. Verifiquei o mapa e constatei que algumas cidades ficaram com o nome duplicado, acho que não em decorrência da importação, mas porque já haviam sido criadas anteriormente. Deve-se manter as decorrentes da importação do IBGE e excluir a anterior? Ex: Penha. Outra constatação que fiz foi que, dependendo do zoom aplicado, algumas cidades duplicam o nome (Blumenau, por exemplo), mas quando uso o JOSM ou o Potlatch um deles não aparece (o Blumenau maior eu havia criado anteriormente, porque não havia nenhum nome antes da importação dos dados do IBGE). http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.9022lon=-49.0854zoom=14layers=B000FTF Outras cidades, como por exemplo Itajaí, não houve importação com as informações do IBGE (ao menos aparentemente não). O que define a tag place? O número de habitantes? Ela também é responsável pelo tamanho do nome da cidade que fica visível, certo? Desculpem-me pela quantidade de questionamentos de novato, mas para começar eu preciso de mais informações para não fazer coisas erradas. Após isso eu posso fazer as correções manuais necessárias no mapa de SC. Um abraço. -- André Marcelo Alvarenga Linux User: 299064 Jabber: amalvare...@jabber.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios d e SC
Olá, Pra minimizar o problema de dados duplicados, nem todas as cidades (nodes, pontos) foram importados dos dados do IBGE. Se já havia uma outra cidade próxima (menos de 5km aprox) o ponto do IBGE não era importado. Talvez valessa a pena dar uma verificada manual nesses dados não importados pra ver como complementar os dados existentes. []s JR _ From: talk-br-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-br-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Rodrigo de Avila Sent: terça-feira, 20 de outubro de 2009 09:01 To: OSM talk-br Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de SC André Marcelo Alvarenga escreveu: Verifiquei o mapa e constatei que algumas cidades ficaram com o nome duplicado, acho que não em decorrência da importação, mas porque já haviam sido criadas anteriormente. Deve-se manter as decorrentes da importação do IBGE e excluir a anterior? Ex: Penha. O 'Penha da Esquerda' é um ponto colocado por um usuário, enquanto o 'Penha da Direita' veio de dados do IBGE. Deve-se manter o do IBGE (até porque, como dá pra ver em http://osm.org/go/M_N8K66?relation=296549 o da esquerda está fora do polígono do município. Outra constatação que fiz foi que, dependendo do zoom aplicado, algumas cidades duplicam o nome (Blumenau, por exemplo), mas quando uso o JOSM ou o Potlatch um deles não aparece (o Blumenau maior eu havia criado anteriormente, porque não havia nenhum nome antes da importação dos dados do IBGE). http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.9022lon=-49.0854zoom=14layers=B000FTF Deu pra ver neste exemplo que o 'Blumenau Maior' é um ponto que foi colocado pelo usuário 'alvarenga' (você?), e o 'Blumenau Menor' é desenhado pelo Mapnik em um ponto quase central ao poĺigono do município (você pode enxergar o polígono todo em http://osm.org/go/M_NH1Z8-?relation=296522 ) Agora, o que percebi é que este município não tem um ponto com tag 'source=IBGE', com dados de população e tal... onde ele foi parar? Outras cidades, como por exemplo Itajaí, não houve importação com as informações do IBGE (ao menos aparentemente não). O que define a tag place? O número de habitantes? Ela também é responsável pelo tamanho do nome da cidade que fica visível, certo? Assim como Blumenau, Itajaí não tem o 'Ponto do IBGE'. Neste caso, apenas quem fez o import dos dados vai poder ver o histórico, pra saber o que aconteceu com ele. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.eti.br • www.avila.eti.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de S C
Em Ter 20 Out 2009, Rodrigo de Avila escreveu: Deu pra ver neste exemplo que o 'Blumenau Maior' é um ponto que foi colocado pelo usuário 'alvarenga' (você?), e o 'Blumenau Menor' é desenhado pelo Mapnik em um ponto quase central ao pol'igono do município (você pode enxergar o polígono todo em http://osm.org/go/M_NH1Z8-?relation=296522 ) Agora, o que percebi é que este município não tem um ponto com tag 'source=IBGE', com dados de população e tal... onde ele foi parar? Eu inclui o 'Blumenau Maior'., mas quando tento editar o mapa, não consigo 'enxergar' o 'Blumenau Menor', para excluir ou editar. Você sabe como? Tenho mais uma pergunta: Como faço uma pesquisa para destacar os limites do município, como no link que você me indicou? Obrigado. -- André Marcelo Alvarenga Linux User: 299064 Jabber: amalvare...@jabber.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de S C
Em Ter 20 Out 2009, Junior, Claudomiro escreveu: Olá, Pra minimizar o problema de dados duplicados, nem todas as cidades (nodes, pontos) foram importados dos dados do IBGE. Se já havia uma outra cidade próxima (menos de 5km aprox) o ponto do IBGE não era importado. Talvez valessa a pena dar uma verificada manual nesses dados não importados pra ver como complementar os dados existentes. []s JR Claudomiro. Várias cidades ficaram com nome duplicado. Eu posso fazer a exclusão daquelas que não tem a fonte do IBGE. Porém, algumas cidades tem pontos que com nome, mas não consigo visualizá-las nos editores. Ex: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.9022lon=-49.0854zoom=14layers=B000FTF (o Blumenau menor) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-28.4794lon=-49.0215zoom=14layers=B000FTF (o Tubarão menor dos nomes) Você sabe como excluí-las? Posso também incrementar as cidades com as informações do IBGE, mas preciso que você me encaminhe os arquivos com as informações. Além disso, pergunto: Devemos completar as informações das cidades com todas as tags abaixo, conforme descrito em: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in is_in:continent=South America is_in:country=Brasil is_in:Santa Catarina;SC;Brasil is_in:country_code=BR is_in:state=Santa Catarina is_in:state_code=SC Além, é claro, de outras informações. Como pretendo revisar todas as cidades de SC, já quero deixar as informações completas. Obrigado. -- André Marcelo Alvarenga Linux User: 299064 Jabber: amalvare...@jabber.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Apresentação e dúvidas
Bem vindo Giovani! Ótimo ver que a palestra rendeu frutos =) O N78 tá saindo a um custo-benefício bacana. Quanto ao GPS do DealExtreme, eu tenho um desses http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.21684 e funciona bem tanto com o N95 quanto com o N800 - nunca testei com o notebook. A documentação ainda está a grande maioria em inglês. A gente tava traduzindo algumas páginas no wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ mas os esforços diminuiram um pouco desde que criaram a possibilidade de se traduzir as ferramentas em si. O Potlatch (editor em Flash) está quase todo traduzido, bem como a sua ajuda, e o JOSM também já tá em mais da metade das strings traduzidas. Se você puder ajudar, cai dentro! Qualquer coisa, estamos aí. []s 2009/10/21 Giovani Ferreira jova2.li...@gmail.com Olá a todos; Primeiramente gostaria de me apresentar. Meu nome é Giovani Ferreira conhecido também como jova, sou da cidade de Poço Fundo – sul de Minas. Assisti a palestra do Arlindo – nighto, muito boa por sinal, no EMSL'09 no ultimo sábado e me interessei em colaborar com o projeto. Já fiz o cadastro no OSM.org e estou à disposição, quero tentar começar pela minha cidade. Eis minhas dúvidas: -Como minha cidade é do interior , não posso utilizar as imagens do yahoo para mapear, e ainda não tenho um GPS(2° questionamento) portanto o que posso fazer sem GPS na região de minha cidade. -Estou muito interessado em comprar um GPS tanto para e tenho duas opções em vista: a primeira é comprar um celular com GPS, ví esta opção no submarino http://tinyurl.com/nc65rm pois assim eu já trocaria também meu celular que estou precisando; outra opção é comprar um adptador GPS USB para meu notebook e inclusive navegando pelo blog do nighto encontrei um post sobre importação de Hong Kong com frete free, daí encontrei a seguinte opção de GPS USB em http://tinyurl.com/yfdo4vx . Quanto ao GPS qual opção seria melhor? Ou teria uma outra opção? - E por ultimo, onde encontro a documentação, preferencialmente em português, voltada principalmente para iniciantes. Obrigado pela atenção []'s -- Giovani Ferreira - Jova2 - E-mail: jova2.li...@gmail.com jo...@axtelecom.com.br GNU/Linux User: 337388 GPG ID: 9669DFFF Blog: http://jova2.wordpress.com - ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da Uniriotec Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] Render-Problem Inseln/Mapnik
StilgarBF (o...@projekt2k.de)schrieb: Hallo, ist denn bekannt ob es ein Problem mit den Planet-Files gibt, die der Mapnik-Renderer verwendet? Ich habe am 2. einige Inseln im südlichen Myanmar angelegt, die werden aber immer noch nicht gerendert. Ebenso viele Verfeinerungen an der bestehenden Küstenlinie. Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, kann das bis zu drei Wochen dauern. Im irc im Channel #osm hatte ich das einmal erfragt, aber leider nicht im Wiki verewigt. Vielleicht machst du das ja..? :) Gruß malenki ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Render-Problem Inseln/Mapnik
malenki schrieb: StilgarBF (o...@projekt2k.de)schrieb: Hallo, ist denn bekannt ob es ein Problem mit den Planet-Files gibt, die der Mapnik-Renderer verwendet? Ich habe am 2. einige Inseln im südlichen Myanmar angelegt, die werden aber immer noch nicht gerendert. Ebenso viele Verfeinerungen an der bestehenden Küstenlinie. Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, kann das bis zu drei Wochen dauern. Im irc im Channel #osm hatte ich das einmal erfragt, aber leider nicht im Wiki verewigt. Vielleicht machst du das ja..? :) sobald ich weiß wie lange es dauert will ich das gern erledigen. Noch hat sich nichts getan. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Pfoten weg von unseren Daten
Moin Ulf, P.S: Jetzt wo ich das hingeschrieben habe fällt mir auf, daß ich wohl ziemlich genau den Wikipedia Mechanismus: Dieser Account ist keine Sockenpuppe nochmal neu erfunden habe :-) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pers%C3%B6nliche_Bekanntschaften Rainer -- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Gratulation!
Am 19. Oktober 2009 22:33 schrieb qbert biker qbe...@gmx.de: Autobahn und Bundesstrasse funktionieren damit ganz gut, aber beim Rest muss man sich eben damit abfinden, dass es Konflikte geben kann und die ganz einfache Regel zu keinen guten Ergebnis führt. Klar kann ich alle Strassen in eine Klasse packen für die der Kreis die Erhaltungspflicht hat, aber ob ich gerne drauf fahren will, bekomme ich so nicht raus. Bei meiner routingfähigen Garminkarte gibt es mittlerweile oberhalb von residential nur noch motorway trunk, primary und secondary tertiary, jeweils unter Einbeziehung von maxspeed. Im Geschwindigkeitsbereich bis 50 km/h sind primary, secondary und tertiary zudem gleichwertig - das ergibt für mich ein sehr viel besseres routing im Köln/Bonner Raum als vorher - zumal gerade jemand in Bonn angefangen hat, secondary und tertiary wieder rein nach administrativer Zugehörigkeit umzumappen, also alte, schlechte Dorfstraße: secondary. neue, schnelle Umgehung: tertiary. Verbindungsstraße zwischen zwei Bonner Stadtteilen: unclassified(!), vermutlich weil es weder Landes- noch Kreisstraße ist. Naja, demnächst kommt noch die Berücksichtigung von Ampelanlagen dazu und vielleicht eine Aufwertung von nicht-autobahnähnlichen Straßen mit Verbindungscharakter(primary, secondary, tertiary), wenn oneway=yes gesetzt ist(das könnte aber auch nach hinten losgehen). Was ich sagen will ist: die Leute machen anscheinend eh was sie wollen und fürs routing ist es fast ausreichend, primary, secondary und tertiary fast gleich zu behandeln und nach maxspeed zu bewerten. Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM Mentoren hier?
Hi! Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 19. Oktober 2009 21:48 schrieb Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Spätestens bei bz2 hast du dann auf chat/mail/forum dumme Kommentare in der Art dusseliger Windowsbenutzer, da kann ja nicht mal bz2. 1. http://www.google.de/#q=bz2 2. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bzip2 3. http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/bzip2.htm mit einer Googleanfrage (3 Buchstaben) und 2 clicks hat man das eigentlich erschlagen... Ich habe den Eindruck, Du nimmst grundsätzlich Deinen Wissensstand als Maßstab und kannst Dich einfach nicht in die Situation eines Anfängers versetzen, für den diese Antwort völlig unbrauchbar ist. Jemand ohne großen technischen Hintergrund und täglichen Internetaufenthalt kann mit Deiner Antwort überhaupt nichts anfangen. Es geht darum es ganz normalen Leuten einfach zu machen. Im Sinne von *EINFACH* und *VERSTÄNDLICH*. Für normalsterbliche Anwender. Leute die in ihrem Leben niemals die Kommandozeile von ihrem Windows benutzt haben. bye Nop ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Garmin Installer (war: OSM Mentoren hier?)
Hi! Ulf Lamping schrieb: Nop schrieb: So könnte ich mir einen Installer vorstellen: Ok, wenn's um fertige Karten geht, paßt natürlich ein Installer besser. Aber so ein Ding wie Du es beschreibst, sollte man z.B. mit NSIS und sendmap in ein paar Tagen fertig haben, mit Ausnahme des Backups, an die Daten auf dem Gerät kommt man so leicht nicht ran. Dann müßte man nur noch den passenden Kartensatz aktuell halten. Müßte nur jemand in die Hand nehmen. bye Nop PS: Nein, ich bin mit der Entwicklung für meine Karte und den OSM Composer vollauf beschäftigt. :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] All in One heute kein update?
Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: es scheint heute kein update der All in One gegeben zu haben - ist das richtig? 4GB RAM reichen der virtuellen Maschine nicht mehr aus. Wir ziehen das ganze gerade auf einen der neuen FOSSGIS Server um. Gruss Sven -- Das Internet wird vor allem von Leuten genutzt, die sich Pornografie ansehen, während sie Bier trinken, es ist daher für Wahlen nicht geeignet (Jaroslaw Kaczynski) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
