[Talk-hr] 11.04.2011. OSM-HR neformalno druženje - Zagreb
On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 04:24:29PM +0200, Matija Nalis wrote: Da probamo jos jednom prije nego fallbackamo na nekoliko nezavisnih malih okupljanja po 2-3 ljudi: kak stojite sa ponedjeljkom 11.4.2011 ? Onda ponedjeljak 11.4.2011 u 18h u Mami, Preradoviceva 18, Zagreb: http://osm.org/go/0IsmnvLQ?m Javite se na listu da li dolazite! Pa koliko nas bude, bude :) P.S. bilo bi dobro da netko dofura laptop -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[Talk-hr] Autobusna stajališta ... rasprava o obilježavanju istih
Molim da se uključite u raspravu Evo što se tiče bus stanica to sam sve iz wiki osm izvadio http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/unified_stoparea http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.3683275282383amp;lon=8.4626242518425amp;zoom=18 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dplatform Pozdrav ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] 11.04.2011. OSM-HR neformalno druženje - Zagreb
Ja dolazim. tj. ako bude kiša onda ne :) 2011/4/6 Tihomir Heidelberg - 9a4gl 9a...@hamradio.hr Ja najvjerojatnije mogu. Tihomir, 9a4gl On 6.4.2011. 9:13, Matija Nalis wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 04:24:29PM +0200, Matija Nalis wrote: Da probamo jos jednom prije nego fallbackamo na nekoliko nezavisnih malih okupljanja po 2-3 ljudi: kak stojite sa ponedjeljkom 11.4.2011 ? Onda ponedjeljak 11.4.2011 u 18h u Mami, Preradoviceva 18, Zagreb: http://osm.org/go/0IsmnvLQ?m Javite se na listu da li dolazite! Pa koliko nas bude, bude :) P.S. bilo bi dobro da netko dofura laptop ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr -- Svega što vrijedi Bog je stvorio malo, kako zlata tako i Hrvata. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] Autobusna stajališta ... rasprava o obilježavanju istih
Bok, a kojim tagovima bi označio zatvoreni way koji označava natkriveni dio autobusne stanice ? da li bi ga označio sa highway=platform ili ne ? Tihomir, 9a4gl On 6.4.2011. 19:24, SilverSpace wrote: Molim da se uključite u raspravu Evo što se tiče bus stanica to sam sve iz wiki osm izvadio http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/unified_stoparea http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.3683275282383amp;lon=8.4626242518425amp;zoom=18 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dplatform Pozdrav ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] 11.04.2011. OSM-HR neformalno druženje - Zagreb
Dolazim. Osim ako kamenje bude padalo. On Apr 6, 2011 7:28 PM, SilverSpace silversp...@ubuntu-hr.org wrote: Ja dolazim. tj. ako bude kiša onda ne :) 2011/4/6 Tihomir Heidelberg - 9a4gl 9a...@hamradio.hr Ja najvjerojatnije mogu. Tihomir, 9a4gl On 6.4.2011. 9:13, Matija Nalis wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 04:24:29PM +0200, Matija Nalis wrote: Da probamo jos jednom prije nego fallbackamo na nekoliko nezavisnih malih okupljanja po 2-3 ljudi: kak stojite sa ponedjeljkom 11.4.2011 ? Onda ponedjeljak 11.4.2011 u 18h u Mami, Preradoviceva 18, Zagreb: http://osm.org/go/0IsmnvLQ?m Javite se na listu da li dolazite! Pa koliko nas bude, bude :) P.S. bilo bi dobro da netko dofura laptop ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr -- Svega što vrijedi Bog je stvorio malo, kako zlata tako i Hrvata. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] 11.04.2011. OSM-HR neformalno druženje - Zagreb
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 09:22:29AM +0200, Sanela Planinčević-Vujičić wrote: Hajd napisite sto sve treba za taj sastanak dogovorit, da ne sastancimo zbog sastancenja! pa brijem da bi mogli odabrati neki slabo kartiran kvart (ili tko zna, nesto medjugradski ako cemo biti avanturisticki raspolozeni?) -- stoga laptop, dogovoriti kada cemo ga napasti, te probati (vodjeni iskustvom iz Trnave od pred skoro godinu i pol) unaprijed podijeliti zadatke tko da sto pripremi, kao i backup-ljude za slucaj da primarni se odluce ozeniti ili sl. na datum dogovoren za mapiranje :) I ak je vec neko bio na tzv neformalnom druzenju nek napise sto se pricalo/dogovorilo! To bi isto bilo interesantno, da Mene zanima npr. : 1. kako obiljeziti kvartove, tj. koje tockom a koje poligonom? Mislim da je nalazenje najbolji nacin za dogovoriti neke onakve visoko-interaktivne stvari kao detalje oko nekog mapping partya (sto bi preko mailing liste trajalo valja pol godine barem dogovaranja i do onda bi svi izgubili entuzijazam); za raspravu o tagiranju nam je obicno dobro sluzila i mailing lista (koja je *znacajno* komotnija od nelakog procesa pokusavanja okupljanja vise ljudi u isto vrijeme na istom mjestu). Ali dobro pitanje koje svakako zasluzuje poseban thread, ako ti se da otvoriti? 54N314 Nego, jel' dolazi onda planeta 54N314 taj ponedjeljak 11.4.2011? :) On 6 Apr 2011 09:14, Matija Nalis mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 04:24:29PM +0200, Matija Nalis wrote: Da probamo jos jednom prije nego fallbackamo na nekoliko nezavisnih malih okupljanja po 2-3 ljudi: kak stojite sa ponedjeljkom 11.4.2011 ? Onda ponedjeljak 11.4.2011 u 18h u Mami, Preradoviceva 18, Zagreb: http://osm.org/go/0IsmnvLQ?m Javite se na listu da li dolazite! Pa koliko nas bude, bude :) P.S. bilo bi dobro da netko dofura laptop -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[talk-ph] maning hill?
Just found a hill with my name: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/332019070 ;) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Besoin de mappeurs rapidement
Voilà j'ai travaillé encore un peu sur Cuesmes et hier sur Baudour. Si cette personne n'est pas encore convaincu de l'utilité de OSM, je crains qu'il ne le sera jamais. Polyglot 2011/4/5 wannes wanne...@gmail.com 2011/4/5 Karel Adams ade...@skynet.be On 04/05/2011 10:55 AM, Julien Fastré wrote: Bonjour, Je viens de recevoir un courriel de quelqu'un qui refuse de considérer l'utilisation d'openstreetmap parce que la carte n'est pas suffisamment couverte, et fiable, dans sa région. Il fait partie de l'associatif et plus particulièrement des randonnées en vélo. Il fait un comparatif avec les cartes OSM et Google Maps http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.47332lon=3.92327zoom=15layers=M http://maps.google.be/maps?q=50.471745,3.923657num=1sll=50.471524,3.923183sspn=0.014204,0.032015hl=frdirflg=wie=UTF8ll=50.471524,3.923183spn=0.020294,0.038581z=15 Effectivement sa région est peu couverte. N'est pas une excellente raison d'y organiser une (un?) mapping party? Nice progress already :-) -- wannes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Besoin de mappeurs rapidement
Nice site to compare google maps and OSM: http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemaplon=3.92401lat=50.47133zoom=16 I have also done some work in the area. :-) Regards, Ben 2011/4/6 Jo winfi...@gmail.com Voilà j'ai travaillé encore un peu sur Cuesmes et hier sur Baudour. Si cette personne n'est pas encore convaincu de l'utilité de OSM, je crains qu'il ne le sera jamais. Polyglot 2011/4/5 wannes wanne...@gmail.com 2011/4/5 Karel Adams ade...@skynet.be On 04/05/2011 10:55 AM, Julien Fastré wrote: Bonjour, Je viens de recevoir un courriel de quelqu'un qui refuse de considérer l'utilisation d'openstreetmap parce que la carte n'est pas suffisamment couverte, et fiable, dans sa région. Il fait partie de l'associatif et plus particulièrement des randonnées en vélo. Il fait un comparatif avec les cartes OSM et Google Maps http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.47332lon=3.92327zoom=15layers=M http://maps.google.be/maps?q=50.471745,3.923657num=1sll=50.471524,3.923183sspn=0.014204,0.032015hl=frdirflg=wie=UTF8ll=50.471524,3.923183spn=0.020294,0.038581z=15 Effectivement sa région est peu couverte. N'est pas une excellente raison d'y organiser une (un?) mapping party? Nice progress already :-) -- wannes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 4th meeting STUK on 06 april 2011
I plan to go anyway. Doesn't really matter whether I sit and work there or at home. I'm a happy camper as long as I have an internet connection... If nobody shows up, I'll probably leave around 21h00. Polyglot 2011/3/29 Ivo De Broeck ivo.debro...@gmail.com If you intend to come to the meeting please put your name on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities#2011-04-06:_4th_Informal_talk_STUK.2C_Leuven If there are not a least 3 names, i suppose the meeting will be cancelled. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 4th meeting STUK on 06 april 2011
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 15:52, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: I plan to go anyway. Doesn't really matter whether I sit and work there or at home. I'm a happy camper as long as I have an internet connection... If nobody shows up, I'll probably leave around 21h00. Polyglot I might be able to swing by for a bit. Will see when I get out of work. Cheers, Jw ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)
On 5 April 2011 22:53, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Richard Weait writes: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Out of curiosity: is it considered acceptable to use Google StreetView to assist in armchair mapping? No. According to Ed Parsons, it is. As a primary source for all of something? No. But as an assist as Martijn suggests? Absolutely. To me Ed Parsons' response doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know. It's still kind of a grey area because you can interpret bulk in so many ways -- it's very similar to the signifant and insignificant extract in the ODbL, it's very difficult to be sure of anything. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ITO Map now Global
Thanks for the tip off Micha. We should have the bug sorted soon. Pieren and Leandro, your suggestion for checking nodes for addresses has been noted. We've got some commercial work to get done at the moment but, it's something we'd like to implement so I imagine it'll happen at some point in the future. Eric ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Attribution of CORINE and Urban Atlas imports
Hi, at a conference today I met someone who works for EEA in Copenhagen and we had a chat about EEA data in OSM. A very friendly chat, I must add, he wasn't actually complaining about anything, but he did mention a few oddities he found when studying how OSM was using CORINE (and Urban Atlas) data. I'm listing them here in the hope that maybe some of them can be rectified, or avoided in future CORINE imports (hello Dermot!) a) Corine Land Cover Generally, you can obtain CORINE data from national bodies or from the EEA directly. The data sets may be minimally different, and may be licensed differently. The French import states as their source: Union européenne - SOeS, CORINE Land Cover, 2006., where SoeS stands for le service de l'Observation et des Statistiques (SOeS) du Commissariat général au développement durable (CGDD). This is a French national organisation. The Romanian import took their data directly from the EEA (as documented on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CLC_RO_Permission), but in their source tags they credit SOeS like the French did which is not correct. It would be great if this could be fixed, or at least rectified on the wiki page. There's also a Spanish, Estonian, and Hungarian CORINE import of which I haven't fully investigated the tags. For Hungary, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog mentions both the national office and the EEA as their source which is porbably not correct either. b) Urban Atlas There's a lot of Urban Atlas-sourced material in OSM was well, most of it in Poland or Slovakia. Some of it is tagged only with source=urban atlas but there's no mention of the EEA. Much like ourselves, the EEA would prefer to be credited properly if their data is used. As I said, it's not that EEA are complaining (and they don't have any set-in-stone attribution rules anyway, only that you have to attribute) but we should certainly aim to do it right! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of CORINE and Urban Atlas imports
Hi Frederik, I updated the source tag in the Wiki for CLC import in Romania http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue. I am not sure if this is enough or will EEA require a complete change in the database? Thanks, Ciprian On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, at a conference today I met someone who works for EEA in Copenhagen and we had a chat about EEA data in OSM. A very friendly chat, I must add, he wasn't actually complaining about anything, but he did mention a few oddities he found when studying how OSM was using CORINE (and Urban Atlas) data. I'm listing them here in the hope that maybe some of them can be rectified, or avoided in future CORINE imports (hello Dermot!) a) Corine Land Cover Generally, you can obtain CORINE data from national bodies or from the EEA directly. The data sets may be minimally different, and may be licensed differently. The French import states as their source: Union européenne - SOeS, CORINE Land Cover, 2006., where SoeS stands for le service de l'Observation et des Statistiques (SOeS) du Commissariat général au développement durable (CGDD). This is a French national organisation. The Romanian import took their data directly from the EEA (as documented on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CLC_RO_Permission), but in their source tags they credit SOeS like the French did which is not correct. It would be great if this could be fixed, or at least rectified on the wiki page. There's also a Spanish, Estonian, and Hungarian CORINE import of which I haven't fully investigated the tags. For Hungary, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog mentions both the national office and the EEA as their source which is porbably not correct either. b) Urban Atlas There's a lot of Urban Atlas-sourced material in OSM was well, most of it in Poland or Slovakia. Some of it is tagged only with source=urban atlas but there's no mention of the EEA. Much like ourselves, the EEA would prefer to be credited properly if their data is used. As I said, it's not that EEA are complaining (and they don't have any set-in-stone attribution rules anyway, only that you have to attribute) but we should certainly aim to do it right! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Een berichtje van de devlijst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license change implementation plan [1]. This involves blocking edits with HTTP Forbidden messages until the individual contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms by logging in manually via browser at http://www.openstreetmap.org. The text of the message will explain the reason. This will happen Real Soon Now, I hope within the next few days. We will give at least 48 hours notice on the main Talk and other mailing lists of the exact date/time. Please would you check that your editor software has some mechanism for your users. For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. - Once a contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms, they may continue editting normally. Even if they decline, they may continue editting normally until and if Phase 4 kicks in. Oftewel... misschien wordt het tijd voor de mensen die hier geen zin in hebben wat infrastructuur te gaan starten. En de mensen die er wel zin in hebben, om een keuze te maken. (Soort donor codicil, dus als je dat ook niet hebt ingevuld: gelijk doen.) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAk2cjXgACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn30tQCgiHYv8wwo4oToQaRC/Ky27oEb R7MAniCGoSgJBsYnYo06NEXdMTgHuzTX =iRjF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
-- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: 6 April 2011 19:08 Subject: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ... To: d...@openstreetmap.org ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license change implementation plan [1]. This involves blocking edits with HTTP Forbidden messages until the individual contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms by logging in manually via browser at http://www.openstreetmap.org. The text of the message will explain the reason. This will happen Real Soon Now, I hope within the next few days. We will give at least 48 hours notice on the main Talk and other mailing lists of the exact date/time. Please would you check that your editor software has some mechanism for your users. For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. - Once a contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms, they may continue editting normally. Even if they decline, they may continue editting normally until and if Phase 4 kicks in. Mike Michael Collinson License Working Group [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan#PHASE_3_-_Existing_Contributor_Mandatory_Re-licensing_.28Phase_2_.2B_5_or_10_weeks.29 ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:31:53 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com didn't write: (Michael Collinson did) For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. those who see a big hole in the numbers total contributors at May 2010 ~250,000 Those who have signed up ~9,000 Those who have not signed up ~77,000 the gap I guess refers to accounts which have been completely idle and will be prevented from editing (source, LWG minutes 5th April 2011) I still have trouble understanding how 9,000 of 86,000 is a large majority. Those who signed up after May 2010 got no option, so they can't be construed as supporting either side. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On 6 April 2011 10:51, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:31:53 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com didn't write: (Michael Collinson did) For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. those who see a big hole in the numbers total contributors at May 2010 ~250,000 Those who have signed up ~9,000 Those who have not signed up ~77,000 the gap I guess refers to accounts which have been completely idle and will be prevented from editing (source, LWG minutes 5th April 2011) Yes, those that have been completely idle. They signed up prior to May 2010 and have not made any edits. They are not prevented from editing, but they will be presented with the new CTs when they login to edit. I still have trouble understanding how 9,000 of 86,000 is a large majority. Those who signed up after May 2010 got no option, so they can't be construed as supporting either side. There are around 12,000 accounts which have prior to May 2010 contributed 95%+ of all the data. Regards Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On 06/04/11 19:31, John Smith wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: 6 April 2011 19:08 Subject: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ... To: d...@openstreetmap.org ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license change implementation plan [1]. This involves blocking edits with HTTP Forbidden messages until the individual contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms by logging in manually via browser at http://www.openstreetmap.org. The text of the message will explain the reason. This will happen Real Soon Now, I hope within the next few days. We will give at least 48 hours notice on the main Talk and other mailing lists of the exact date/time. Please would you check that your editor software has some mechanism for your users. For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. - Once a contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms, they may continue editting normally. Even if they decline, they may continue editting normally until and if Phase 4 kicks in. Mike Michael Collinson License Working Group [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan#PHASE_3_-_Existing_Contributor_Mandatory_Re-licensing_.28Phase_2_.2B_5_or_10_weeks.29 Thank you John for forwarding this. Would you please pass back to Michael my respectful disdain for this notification which provides no reassurance nor guidance whatsoever. (I am straining to be polite; in case this is not obvious!) So some change may be made - maybe even soon - to force a decision the result of which may be ignored - by people who may not be using the system any more. Which may not have any effect? I will say no more than express my bewilderment why this announcement(Meta-b Control-k)waste of time and effort was even considered for posting as I doubt I will be able to refrain from insult. I emphasise this last statement is not directed at John. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors
I was very keen and learning ...had done a few edits not many but I was planning on getting right into it. I don't agree with the new licensing and have just been sitting on the side reading. I have some firm views against the new licensing and also about the methods that have been used in the implementation, but I don't feel I have been a member of the community for long enough to be vocal in expressing my opinion. I doubt very much that I will edit or map in OSM again. Perhaps in one of the derivatives. I feel like I am the customer who walked into the shop and didn't get any service. Not because the staff were busy, but because they were standing round talking amongst themselves about how quiet it has been... and so because I did not get any service I didn't complain, I just walked out of the shop. Regards, Paul. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? I have read what I could about the new Contributor Terms and I get the drift about the CC-BY-SA and ODbL. Just not sure about the OSMF bit. Regards, Michael Hampson 0416 685 785 On 6/04/2011 7:31 PM, John Smith wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinsonm...@ayeltd.biz Date: 6 April 2011 19:08 Subject: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ... To: d...@openstreetmap.org ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license change implementation plan [1]. This involves blocking edits with HTTP Forbidden messages until the individual contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms by logging in manually via browser at http://www.openstreetmap.org. The text of the message will explain the reason. This will happen Real Soon Now, I hope within the next few days. We will give at least 48 hours notice on the main Talk and other mailing lists of the exact date/time. Please would you check that your editor software has some mechanism for your users. For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. - Once a contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms, they may continue editting normally. Even if they decline, they may continue editting normally until and if Phase 4 kicks in. Mike Michael Collinson License Working Group [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan#PHASE_3_-_Existing_Contributor_Mandatory_Re-licensing_.28Phase_2_.2B_5_or_10_weeks.29 ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On 06/04/2011, at 7:31 PM, John Smith wrote: ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license change implementation plan [1]. This involves blocking edits with HTTP Forbidden messages until the individual contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms by logging in manually via browser at http://www.openstreetmap.org. The text of the message will explain the reason. This will happen Real Soon Now, I hope within the next few days. We will give at least 48 hours notice on the main Talk and other mailing lists of the exact date/time. Time to go read the CTs again... You agree to only add Contents for which You are the copyright holder (to the extent the Contents include any copyrightable elements). ... If You are not the copyright holder of the Contents, You represent and warrant that You have explicit permission from the rights holder to submit the Contents and grant the licence below. Right, so I still can't agree because I have uploaded data from third parties (e.g. CC-BY govt data), which I'm not the copyright holder for. Does anyone know if someone ever sort out a way of moving some changesets into new account(s), for different sources? -- James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:50 AM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: Time to go read the CTs again... Hi James, That's one of the sections of v1 that has been clarified in v1.2.4. Have a look. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
There are around 12,000 accounts which have prior to May 2010 contributed 95%+ of all the data. So how many of these 12,000 accounts have agreed to the new CT's? Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
There are around 12,000 accounts which have prior to May 2010 contributed 95%+ of all the data. Regards Grant Also how many of these are actual people not import accounts eg ABS2006? Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:52 AM, 4x4falcon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: There are around 12,000 accounts which have prior to May 2010 contributed 95%+ of all the data. Regards Grant Also how many of these are actual people not import accounts eg ABS2006? I don't know, I haven't tried to distinguish between bot and non-bot accounts. Some are import-accounts. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors
Paul, I know how you feel. I came home from a trip to remote Australia with lots of material to upload and was met with the “traffic” generated by this issue. I don’t understand what’s it’s all about. The Wicki, like it is in most things, is confused and inconclusive. No one has contacted me directly and I just don’t think it is worth the effort. I get the impression that this show is run by Europeans so I am not surprised. Kevin From: All Blokes [mailto:speed_13...@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2011 9:48 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors I was very keen and learning ...had done a few edits not many but I was planning on getting right into it. I don't agree with the new licensing and have just been sitting on the side reading. I have some firm views against the new licensing and also about the methods that have been used in the implementation, but I don't feel I have been a member of the community for long enough to be vocal in expressing my opinion. I doubt very much that I will edit or map in OSM again. Perhaps in one of the derivatives. I feel like I am the customer who walked into the shop and didn't get any service. Not because the staff were busy, but because they were standing round talking amongst themselves about how quiet it has been... and so because I did not get any service I didn't complain, I just walked out of the shop. Regards, Paul. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence
This came through over night. Is it a standard mailer going out to all? Original Message Subject:[OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:09:39 +0100 From: wicking m-177534-5c8...@messages.openstreetmap.org To: mhamp...@fastmail.com.au Hi MCH, wicking has sent you a message through OpenStreetMap with the subject OpenStreetMap is changing the licence: == Hello MCH. As I’ve seen on http://odbl.de you’ve contributed quite a lot of data so I wanted to ask, if you already know, that OpenStreetMap is asking existing contributors to re-license their contributions under a new licence, which is more suitable for our data. (OSM wants to change the current Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 2.0 (CC-BY-SA 2.0) to Open Database License (OdbL) 1.0.) Maybe you’ve reasons why you did not accept it already. Perhaps you could tell me. You can read more about the licence change here: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License You can accept the new licence here (if you’re logged in): http://openstreetmap.org/user/terms I hope to hear from you. Erik from Berlin, Germany == You can also read the message at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/read/177534 and you can reply at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/reply/177534 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 22:09 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? Well, it depends what you read. According to the wiki, stage 4 is when OSM asks the community what will should happen for those who havent accepted the licence. One has to wonder if any of the comments from the past year or two will be taken into account when those in power decide to ask us mere mushrooms what we think. For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. For clarity: (according to odbl.de) In Australia: - This will remove 57% of users - This will remove 67% of nodes, 66% of ways and 86% of relations In UK: - This will remove 65% of users - This will remove 40% of nodes, 40% of ways and 10% of relations In Europe: - This will remove 61% of users - This will remove 20% of nodes, 20% of ways and 15% of relations It is fairly clear that the Australian issue has very little value to those in Europe in control of the project at the moment. The fact that the number of users lost is in the same ballpark while the amount of data lost is significantly higher in our part of the world, seems to show the regions and the users whos interests they are looking out for. - Once a contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms, they may continue editting normally. Even if they decline, they may continue editting normally until and if Phase 4 kicks in. Maybe I missed the announcement, but is there now an option to record that you decline the licence? David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 09:17 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: This came through over night. Is it a standard mailer going out to all? I received the same, so presumably yes. One has to wonder how many innocent users who dont want to be banished from the project, simply click 'agree' or follow the link, having no understanding of what theyre actually agreeing to, or whether they even have the rights to relicence their changes. To be done properly, there should have been a note added to that email to only agree to the terms if you know your edits are 100% clean, otherwise the liability falls back to you personally and not to the project if its found you have contributed infringing data. However, a note like this would only serve to educate the users and wouldnt be an encouragement to blindly accept, which some in control think is what should happen. David Original Message Subject: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:09:39 +0100 From: wicking m-177534-5c8...@messages.openstreetmap.org To: mhamp...@fastmail.com.au Hi MCH, wicking has sent you a message through OpenStreetMap with the subject OpenStreetMap is changing the licence: == Hello MCH. As I’ve seen on http://odbl.de you’ve contributed quite a lot of data so I wanted to ask, if you already know, that OpenStreetMap is asking existing contributors to re-license their contributions under a new licence, which is more suitable for our data. (OSM wants to change the current Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 2.0 (CC-BY-SA 2.0) to Open Database License (OdbL) 1.0.) Maybe you’ve reasons why you did not accept it already. Perhaps you could tell me. You can read more about the licence change here: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License You can accept the new licence here (if you’re logged in): http://openstreetmap.org/user/terms I hope to hear from you. Erik from Berlin, Germany == You can also read the message at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/read/177534 and you can reply at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/reply/177534 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:37 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 22:09 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? Well, it depends what you read. According to the wiki, stage 4 is when OSM asks the community what will should happen for those who havent accepted the licence. One has to wonder if any of the comments from the past year or two will be taken into account when those in power decide to ask us mere mushrooms what we think. For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. For clarity: (according to odbl.de) In Australia: - This will remove 57% of users - This will remove 67% of nodes, 66% of ways and 86% of relations In UK: - This will remove 65% of users - This will remove 40% of nodes, 40% of ways and 10% of relations In Europe: - This will remove 61% of users - This will remove 20% of nodes, 20% of ways and 15% of relations It is fairly clear that the Australian issue has very little value to those in Europe in control of the project at the moment. The fact that the number of users lost is in the same ballpark while the amount of data lost is significantly higher in our part of the world, seems to show the regions and the users whos interests they are looking out for. - Once a contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms, they may continue editting normally. Even if they decline, they may continue editting normally until and if Phase 4 kicks in. Maybe I missed the announcement, but is there now an option to record that you decline the licence? http://openstreetmap.org/user/terms Supposedly it sends you to this flippant page if you decline the CT: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined If you have reached this page because you declined the OpenStreetMap contributor terms, that's too bad. We're sorry that you have decided to not accept the OpenStreetMap Contributor Terms. That means that you can not contribute data to OpenStreetMap. It would have been good for the dust to settle on CT acceptance by data owners before moving to Phase 3: Are they compliant with the spirit and letter of CC-BY 2.5/3.0 Attribution AU? (then the Australian Government data issue is solved?) If not why not; are data owners giving up something that they previously had and intended when they licensed their data? Is it just about the level of attribution? That would be a lot easier to get clarified than trying to get a whole new suite of licences approved. What happened to NearMap? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On 7 April 2011 09:37, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: In UK: - This will remove 65% of users - This will remove 40% of nodes, 40% of ways and 10% of relations In Europe: - This will remove 61% of users - This will remove 20% of nodes, 20% of ways and 15% of relations I wonder the difference between the UK and the rest of Europe has something to do with the Ordinance Survey data requiring attribution etc... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On 7 April 2011 10:06, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to NearMap? Nearmap have refused to allow data derived from their imagery to be used without guarantee of attribution and share-a-like in a future license, or having a guarantee that such data would be removed if relicensing occurs. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:14 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 10:06, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to NearMap? Nearmap have refused to allow data derived from their imagery to be used without guarantee of attribution and share-a-like in a future license, or having a guarantee that such data would be removed if relicensing occurs. Surely that's a simple procedural matter then (CT 1.2.4 already has the we reserve the right to delete your content for whatever reason), especially when changes through the NearMap editor can be tagged appropriately automatically. That would be the same situation we're in now; every major licence change has to be a fork of the old project and data owners can stop contributing in the future... that doesn't affect the past so end users can be assured the data is appropriately licensed. If LWG can negotiate special conditions (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/d/d8/Bing_license.pdf) with Bing, surely they can work something out with NearMap. I wouldn't want to get into a situation where you have to negotiate with every service/data provider (that's the point of open data licencing!) but a company that covers more area than some european countries to the community for free deserves a fair go. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On 7 April 2011 10:31, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: Surely that's a simple procedural matter then (CT 1.2.4 already has It always has been, but as others have pointed out, control of the process has gone on largely without proper consultation and feedback to better shape what mappers want. the we reserve the right to delete your content for whatever reason), especially when changes through the NearMap editor can be Unfortunately the language used as part of that clause isn't strong enough, they may decide it's too difficult and they can't be bothered to remove it. If LWG can negotiate special conditions (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/d/d8/Bing_license.pdf) with Bing, surely they can work something out with NearMap. It seems to me that they don't want to do anything that would limit them from moving to PD in future. I wouldn't want to get into a situation where you have to negotiate with every service/data provider (that's the point of open data licencing!) but a company that covers more area than some european countries to the community for free deserves a fair go. That isn't the problem since most projects have always used fixed license conditions, eg linux kernel will always be GPL based, in fact it's only commercial companies that require you to hand over all rights like the CTs demand. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence
On 7 April 2011 09:42, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 09:17 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: This came through over night. Is it a standard mailer going out to all? I received the same, so presumably yes. More importantly is it a official OSMF or semi-official LWG email, or just some pro-ODbL people spamming everyone? If it's the latter, then I don't think people should be doing that. Imagine the ruckus caused is some of the anti-ODbL people started spamming those that had accepted saying they should change their choice to Decline. -- James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors
On 6 April 2011 21:47, All Blokes speed_13...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I was very keen and learning ...had done a few edits not many but I was planning on getting right into it. I don't agree with the new licensing and have just been sitting on the side reading. Just out of interest, I'd like to hear your opinion from the perspective of a new user, unjaded by the ugliness that has sometimes characterised this conversation on both sides. I feel like I am the customer who walked into the shop and didn't get any service. The licence discussion has been a huge distraction to the project, which is unfortunate. Hopefully we'll be out the other side soon, with each OSMer choosing their path onwards, or perhaps choosing to move on. However, I'm sure if you want to talk about mapping, or need any help there are many OSMers who would be more than happy to lend an hand. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence
More importantly is it a official OSMF or semi-official LWG email, or just some pro-ODbL people spamming everyone? Pretty sure it's the last one. I received it a few weeks back, even through i'd put a note on my OSM user page saying i didn't want it. I'm sure i've seen something on the OSM wiki about it, and there is the following on the top right of the odbl.de page: If you want to ask a user about the ODbL: 1. First check if the user hasn’t accepted already by clicking on the „H“ next to the username on this page (because this stats are only updated once a week) and if nobody else has bothered the user before (see the list in the wikihttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL ) 1. check the OSM user page (click on the username on this page) and the wiki page of the user (click on the “W” next to the username on this page) 1. do a web search on discussions of the user about the ODbL (click on the “S” next to the username on this page) Please write a friendly mail, asking if the user already knows about the licence change, where he could read more about the topic and how he could accept the licence. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
Supposedly it sends you to this flippant page if you decline the CT: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined I think the lolcat picture on that page tells us exactly what they think of those of us that won't / can 't / don't want to accept their terms. Certainly helps give the impression of a professional organisation... (not) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On 7 April 2011 00:37, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 22:09 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? Well, it depends what you read. According to the wiki, stage 4 is when OSM asks the community what will should happen for those who havent accepted the licence. One has to wonder if any of the comments from the past year or two will be taken into account when those in power decide to ask us mere mushrooms what we think. For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. For clarity: (according to odbl.de) In Australia: - This will remove 57% of users - This will remove 67% of nodes, 66% of ways and 86% of relations In UK: - This will remove 65% of users - This will remove 40% of nodes, 40% of ways and 10% of relations In Europe: - This will remove 61% of users - This will remove 20% of nodes, 20% of ways and 15% of relations For pete's sake! Stop making up blatantly untrue stuff. Those are likely the precentages if we moved *today* without even formally contacting/emailing anyone. It is fairly clear that the Australian issue has very little value to those in Europe in control of the project at the moment. The fact that the number of users lost is in the same ballpark while the amount of data lost is significantly higher in our part of the world, seems to show the regions and the users whos interests they are looking out for. Please stop making grossly untrue statements. - Once a contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms, they may continue editting normally. Even if they decline, they may continue editting normally until and if Phase 4 kicks in. Maybe I missed the announcement, but is there now an option to record that you decline the licence? Read the original mail that Mike posted to the DEV mailinglist... it is about planning the changes to the editor software before main announcements. Regards Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 03:19 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: For clarity: (according to odbl.de) In Australia: For pete's sake! Stop making up blatantly untrue stuff. Those are likely the precentages if we moved *today* without even formally contacting/emailing anyone. I never made anything up. The closest I came to 'making up' was being creative with the summary of 3 relevant regions and rounding the numbers up. The figures I quoted came from the URL I gave, and anyone is welcome to research this themselves. The webpage suggests that these are the accurate percentages (with upto 1 week delay). It is fairly clear that the Australian issue has very little value to those in Europe in control of the project at the moment. The fact that the number of users lost is in the same ballpark while the amount of data lost is significantly higher in our part of the world, seems to show the regions and the users whos interests they are looking out for. Please stop making grossly untrue statements. What is untrue? Again, I only summarised what the statistics show. The fact that these statistics go against the ODbL propoganda, doesnt make them grossly untrue, it just makes them at odds with what some may believe. If you have figures for Australia which disprove the numbers on odbl.de then feel free to use them and cite your source, if you cant disprove the numbers and simply feel that theyre grossly untrue, then maybe you need to comprehend the statistics better. If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested why isnt OSMF seeking to make a rapid agreement with NearMap as was done with Bing? David - Once a contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms, they may continue editting normally. Even if they decline, they may continue editting normally until and if Phase 4 kicks in. Maybe I missed the announcement, but is there now an option to record that you decline the licence? Read the original mail that Mike posted to the DEV mailinglist... it is about planning the changes to the editor software before main announcements. As far as I could tell, this email to the dev list is for what happens if people have chosen to decline the licence. The last Id heard, it was not possible to decline the licence, only to accept it. The issue of accepting/declining the licence is what Im talking about here, not the issue of what to do in the future if someone has declined (if such a mechanism is put in place). David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Nearmap
On 7 April 2011 12:57, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested why isnt OSMF seeking to make a rapid agreement with NearMap as was done with Bing? This really needs to be done. Is wonder if this is just due to a shortage of time that the LWG hasn't included this as yet? It would be nice to think that seeing this issue primary affects Australians, that we could take the lead in doing this. However, I don't know how many on the OSM-AU list are ready to help in this kind of endevour? There are a range of approaches we could look at from both the Nearmap and the LWG perspectives. On the Nearmap side, there is clearly in my opinion a business benefit to Nearmap of having the OSM data closely aligned to the Nearmap images. It gives them an accurate, free and up-to-date streetmap layer, and for the foreseeable future attribution within the OSM data. And lets face it, the value in Nearmap's business proposition is accuracy and currency. If OSM went off the rails (and scrapped ODbL) in a way Nearmap didn't like, withdrawing OSM support from that moment onwards would see the data quickly lose currency. On the OSM side, I recognise several of the top contributors list as being nearmap mappers, and I'd hazard a guess that we are looking at possibly over 20% of the Australian data possibly impacted by this, so working this through has large benefits to OSM. At the most extreme end it could make the difference whether a viable OSM community continues in Australia under the OSM banner. There is a strong case if all else fails to allow at least the current nearmap data to be imported under a very ephemeral set of contributor terms just for this purpose, allowing the nearmap derived data to survive as long as the the attribution model persists. After all Nearmap are only objecting to a possibility of a future licence change, not the ODbL itself - and that may be many years distant. Jeopardising OSM in Australia at this juncture doesn't seem worth it when by the time we come to consider the next licence change the world of aerial image will likely have evolved dramatically. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] Übernahme von Daten aus Wikipedia
Am 05.04.2011 21:29, schrieb Ulf Möller: Die Übernahme von vielen Einzelkoordinaten aber schon, und da gilt dann unter Umständen ein Datenbankrecht. was sind viele aber selbst wenn du sehr viel z.b. aus Google herausholst, also beliebig auf die Karte klickst, dann die daten nimmst- die werden ja erst erzeugt - fallen die unter das Datenbankrecht? Grüße aus der Eifel Steffen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OLM 6
Hi, Kannst du irgendwo die Routine veröffentlichen, mit der du die Öffnungszeiten berechnest? Würde es gerne in meiner Kostenlosmentaliät klauen und selber einsetzen :D. MfG Andreas -- Diese Nachricht wurde maschinell erstellt und ist daher ohne Unterschrift gültig. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OLM 6
Am 06.04.11 10:43, schrieb Andreas Neumann: Hi, Kannst du irgendwo die Routine veröffentlichen, mit der du die Öffnungszeiten berechnest? Würde es gerne in meiner Kostenlosmentaliät klauen und selber einsetzen :D. Hi, ist zwar nicht die OLM, aber vermutlich was du willst: http://www.netzwolf.info/kartografie/osm/time_domain/ Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sanitätsbedarf - Wiki angelegt
Hi ! habe mal eine Wiki-Seite angelegt. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dmedical_supply (Englisch und Deutsch) Vielleicht hat einer noch Lust diese etwas zu ergänzen - insbesondere die Englische. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sanitätsbedarf - Wiki angelegt
Am 06.04.2011 11:26, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Hi ! habe mal eine Wiki-Seite angelegt. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dmedical_supply (Englisch und Deutsch) da fehlt ja zumindest noch um was es geht !! find nirgends auf der Seite shop und medical_supply Ciao fly ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sanitätsbedarf - Wiki angelegt
Am 06.04.2011 14:47, schrieb fly: Am 06.04.2011 11:26, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Hi ! habe mal eine Wiki-Seite angelegt. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dmedical_supply (Englisch und Deutsch) da fehlt ja zumindest noch um was es geht !! find nirgends auf der Seite shop und medical_supply Ciao fly hi ! verstehe ich nicht ganz - habe mich am supermarket orientiert beim Seitenaufbau. einen kleinen fehler noch beseitigt. gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sanitätsbedarf - Wiki angelegt
Hallo Jan. Was ist denn medical supply? Wo ist die Abgrenzung zur Apotheke? Wo ist die Abgrenzung zum Sanitätshaus - oder ist das das gleiche? Was schließt medical_supply zwingend ein, was typischerweise, was gehört nicht dazu? Ist das jetzt Verbandszeug, Spritzen, Bandagen etc., oder sind das Medikamente? oder beides? und so weiter. Da ist die Seite bisher sehr knapp. Gruß Peter Am 06.04.2011 16:54, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 06.04.2011 14:47, schrieb fly: Am 06.04.2011 11:26, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Hi ! habe mal eine Wiki-Seite angelegt. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dmedical_supply (Englisch und Deutsch) da fehlt ja zumindest noch um was es geht !! find nirgends auf der Seite shop und medical_supply Ciao fly hi ! verstehe ich nicht ganz - habe mich am supermarket orientiert beim Seitenaufbau. einen kleinen fehler noch beseitigt. gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kernkraftwerke? Europa
jan99 wrote: hi ! da das zeug sich nicht an grenzen hällt wäre eine Auswertung über Europa vielleicht ganz interessant. gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de Wenn die XAPI läuft, ist das kein Problem, ich versuch es mal. fx99 -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Kernkraftwerke-tp6232075p6246616.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Frankfurter Stadtwald
Hallo, ich habe eben mal den Frankfurter Stadtwald repariert, nachdem jemand den im Kreis angeordnet hatte. Es betraf den östlichen Teil am Goetheturm, das Wandstück südlich davon. Kann mal bitte jemand den Teil noch mit kontrollieren, es kann sein, daß eventuell noch ein paar Wege, die an die Nodes des Waldes angekoppelt waren zu korrigieren sind. (Der User hatte auf mein Anschreiben nicht reagiert) -- Viele Grüße Carsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OLM 6
am Mittwoch, 6. April 2011 um 10:43 schrieb Andreas Neumann: Kannst du irgendwo die Routine veröffentlichen, mit der du die Öffnungszeiten berechnest? Würde es gerne in meiner Kostenlosmentaliät klauen und selber einsetzen :D. Der ganze Quellcode ist unter [1] runterzuladen. Würde mich wundern, wenn die Funktion NICHT dabei ist. Christian [1] http://olm.openstreetmap.de/info/index.html ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sanitätsbedarf - Wiki angelegt
hi! hast ja recht. Wollte u.a. das Tag aber mal zumindest leicht zuornden. Werde mich mal im Sani-Laden nach einer genauen Definition in DE erkundigen. gruß Jan :-9 Am 06.04.2011 17:18, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Hallo Jan. Was ist denn medical supply? Wo ist die Abgrenzung zur Apotheke? Wo ist die Abgrenzung zum Sanitätshaus - oder ist das das gleiche? Was schließt medical_supply zwingend ein, was typischerweise, was gehört nicht dazu? Ist das jetzt Verbandszeug, Spritzen, Bandagen etc., oder sind das Medikamente? oder beides? und so weiter. Da ist die Seite bisher sehr knapp. Gruß Peter Am 06.04.2011 16:54, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 06.04.2011 14:47, schrieb fly: Am 06.04.2011 11:26, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Hi ! habe mal eine Wiki-Seite angelegt. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:shop%3Dmedical_supply (Englisch und Deutsch) da fehlt ja zumindest noch um was es geht !! find nirgends auf der Seite shop und medical_supply Ciao fly hi ! verstehe ich nicht ganz - habe mich am supermarket orientiert beim Seitenaufbau. einen kleinen fehler noch beseitigt. gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] POI-Detailinfo auf android nutzen ?
hi ! es gibt ja so schöne apps wie osmand - aber bisher ist mir noch nichts über den Weg gelaufen wo man auch auf weitere Detailinfos zu POI (Öffnungszeiten etc.) zugreifen kann. Habe ich da etwas übersehen - POI-Files wie beim Garmin, kann man soetwas hier auch verwenden ? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Indicazioni vocali alle rotonde (Era: Garmin Nuvi 245 e OSM)
In data venerdì 18 marzo 2011 19:58:23, hai scritto: Il 18/03/2011 16:06, Niccolo Rigacci ha scritto: Ma in questo caso mi verrebbe da dire che è un errore dei navigatori perchè quello è uno dei modi previsti per mappare le rotonde...[1] Ciao Giuliano [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout Ok, probabilmente è un errore dei navigatori. Ma dato che le rotonde vengono interpretate correttamente solo se sono mappate come nel primo degli esempi, forse dovremmo mapparle in quel modo, in certe situazioni di traffico intenso non posso sempre guardare il display per capire se l'indicazione vocale corrisponde con quella a video. Lo stesso problema/dilemma si verifica con certi incroci canalizzati, in più di uno di questi il Garmin ignorava del tutto l'incrocio, come se si trattasse della stessa strada (nonostante di tipologia e nome differente), mentre eliminando le canalizzazioni il Garmin si comporta correttamente. Questo mi mette in dubbio: è meglio semplificare gli incroci, avendo come conseguenza indicazioni dei navigatori corrette, o mantenerne la complessità (disegnando tutte le canalizzazioni, sensi di marcia) ma sapendo che saranno mal gestite dai navigatori? -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Garmin-Nuvi-245-e-OSM-tp6181090p6245134.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Indicazioni vocali alle rotonde (Era: Garmin Nuvi 245 e OSM)
Il 06 aprile 2011 10:26, Jeawrong jeawithl...@tin.it ha scritto: Questo mi mette in dubbio: è meglio semplificare gli incroci, avendo come conseguenza indicazioni dei navigatori corrette, o mantenerne la complessità (disegnando tutte le canalizzazioni, sensi di marcia) ma sapendo che saranno mal gestite dai navigatori? ovviamente mantenere la complessità e l'errore nei navigatori! -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Indicazioni vocali alle rotonde (Era: Garmin Nuvi 245 e OSM)
On 2011-04-06 at 01:26:34 -0700, Jeawrong wrote: Questo mi mette in dubbio: è meglio semplificare gli incroci, avendo come conseguenza indicazioni dei navigatori corrette, o mantenerne la complessità (disegnando tutte le canalizzazioni, sensi di marcia) ma sapendo che saranno mal gestite dai navigatori? la terza: mantenere la complessita` e migliorare non tanto i navigatori quanto gli script che preparano i dati per i medesimi, facendo semplificare a loro i dati -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Indicazioni vocali alle rotonde (Era: Garmin Nuvi 245 e OSM)
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 11:57:32AM +0200, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote: On 2011-04-06 at 01:26:34 -0700, Jeawrong wrote: Questo mi mette in dubbio: è meglio semplificare gli incroci, avendo come conseguenza indicazioni dei navigatori corrette, o mantenerne la complessità (disegnando tutte le canalizzazioni, sensi di marcia) ma sapendo che saranno mal gestite dai navigatori? la terza: mantenere la complessita` e migliorare non tanto i navigatori quanto gli script che preparano i dati per i medesimi, facendo semplificare a loro i dati Questa ipotesi la ritengo valida solo per i navigatori limitati nella potenza di calcolo oppure per quelli non liberi, dove non è immaginabile mettere mano al codice sorgente. La soluzione migliore è avere il grafo stradale più accurato possibile ed costruire navigatori abbastanza intelligenti da fare la cosa giusta. -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Indicazioni vocali alle rotonde (Era: Garmin Nuvi 245 e OSM)
On 2011-04-06 at 12:03:21 +0200, Niccolo Rigacci wrote: la terza: mantenere la complessita` e migliorare non tanto i navigatori quanto gli script che preparano i dati per i medesimi, facendo semplificare a loro i dati Questa ipotesi la ritengo valida solo per i navigatori limitati nella potenza di calcolo oppure per quelli non liberi, dove non è immaginabile mettere mano al codice sorgente. se dei calcoli si possono gia` fare in fase di preparazione dati secondo me e` meglio farli, piuttosto che ripeterli ogni volta che si deve calcolare un percorso. In fondo, se i navigatori riescono a funzionare su hardware piu` limitato si ha solo da guadagnarci. -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Indicazioni vocali alle rotonde (Era: Garmin Nuvi 245 e OSM)
2011/4/6 Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org: La soluzione migliore è avere il grafo stradale più accurato possibile ed costruire navigatori abbastanza intelligenti da fare la cosa giusta. Non è solo una questione di intelligenza del navigatore, ma anche di precisione del rilevamento GPS. Avere un grafo stradale iper-dettagliato, più dettagliato dei circa 5m di risoluzione del GPS, rischia di essere un boomerang perché il navigatore potrebbe non capire su quale way ti trovi. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Indicazioni vocali alle rotonde (Era: Garmin Nuvi 245 e OSM)
2011/3/19 Jeawrong jeawithl...@tin.it: Ecco, questo tipo di narrazione vocale me lo dava con le mappe Garmin, con quelle OSM sono del tutto scomparse le frasi tipo prendere la prima a destra, usa genericamente un girare a destra... :O Forse dipende dalle regole di mkgmap. I navigatori Garmin parlano di prima a destra solo se la rotonda è mappata come rotonda (0x0c) e non come un altro tipo di strada Garmin. (vedi qui per approfondimenti: FAQ mkgmap n. 4 http://www.cferrero.net/maps/maps_FAQ.html) Magari le regole di mkgmap che stai usando tu usano altri tipi Garmin per le rotonde e quindi confondono il routing. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Articolo OSM su PC Professionale
Ciao a tutti, nel mese di aprile di PC Professionale [1] è stato pubblicato un articolo nella rubrica Linux sul tema delle mappe Open Source nel quale si parla in modo esplicito del progetto OSM e indicando il link del blog italiano [2] come punto di partenza per scoprire il progetto. A marzo hanno anche messo un breve post sul loro sito in merito a Maperitive e OSM [3] nel quale c'è un link diretto a openstreetmap.org Ho appena aggiornato la pagina del portale per aggiungere la news [4]. Credo che sia una grande opportunità da sfruttare per far conoscere il progetto e ampliare la schiera di mappatori italiani. Direi di aggiungere un post sul blog in merito all'articolo e indicando il link al portale come punto di partenza per chi si avvicina a OSM. Siete d'accordo? Io non ho mai messo mano al blog. Qualcuno si offre volontario? Se ci sono idee per migliorare e ampliare il wiki penso che sia proprio il momento giusto di metterle in pratica :-) Ciao a tutti Giuliano [1] http://www.pcprofessionale.it/ [3] http://www.pcprofessionale.it/2011/03/08/crea-le-tue-mappe-da-solo-con-maperitive/ [2] http://blog.openstreetmap.it/ [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Italy ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-lt] Vilniaus rajono specialusis vandentvarkos planas
Sveiki, Vilniaus rajono savivaldybe visai toki nesmulku plana isdejusi yra 350 mb archyvas:) Jame yra daug vertingos info. Pavyzdziui, kaimu ir miesteliu administracines ribos;) http://www.vilniaus-r.lt/viesinimui.rar ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-dk] Hastighedsgrænser og oplysningstavler
Hej, 2011/4/6 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.dk Det er en god ide at benytte source:maxspeed taggen, som vi i forvejen benytter til at fortælle hvorfra hastighedsbegrænsningen stammer. Jeg synes dog, vi skal prefikse med DK: for at angive at taggen er sat ifølge danske færdselsregler, så jeg vil foreslå f.eks.: source:maxspeed=DK:zone eller source:maxspeed=DK:recommended Hvordan vil en vej så tagges? givet det er en landevej som der må køres 80 km/t på, men er anbefalet kun at køre 60km/t ? som jeg forstår det, vil vi i tilfælde af ovenstående så kun have de anbefalede værdier repræsenteret? - Pelle ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Hastighedsgrænser og oplysningstavler
On 06/04/2011, at 12.30, Pelle Rosenbeck Gøeg wrote: 2011/4/6 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.dk Det er en god ide at benytte source:maxspeed taggen, som vi i forvejen benytter til at fortælle hvorfra hastighedsbegrænsningen stammer. Jeg synes dog, vi skal prefikse med DK: for at angive at taggen er sat ifølge danske færdselsregler, så jeg vil foreslå f.eks.: source:maxspeed=DK:zone eller source:maxspeed=DK:recommended Hvordan vil en vej så tagges? givet det er en landevej som der må køres 80 km/t på, men er anbefalet kun at køre 60km/t ? som jeg forstår det, vil vi i tilfælde af ovenstående så kun have de anbefalede værdier repræsenteret? Jeg mener vejen tagges: maxspeed=30 source:maxspeed=DK:zone hvis det er en 30 km/t hastighedszone. Det er muligt, at man lovligt må køre 50 km/t det pågældende hvis den ligger i byzone, eller 80 km/t hvis den ligger i landzone, men det er efter min mening vores opgave at beskrive hvad skiltningen siger de pågældende sted, ikke slavisk at gengive færdselslovens maximumsgrænser. Vi tagger hastighedsrænser for at videregive information, ikke for blot systematisk at fortælle, at færdselsloven opererer med generelle hastighedsgrænser. Det er tillige umuligt at forudsige hvad politiet vil sige, hvis man kommer fræsende med 50 km/t på en stillevej i en 30 km/t zone? Man skal jo køre efter forholdene, og det er ikke sikkert at 50 km/t er det; det kan vi ikke afgøre. Men vi kan afgøre hvad skiltet fortæller. -- Morten ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Geodata og ortofotos lige et spørgsmål
Hej Undertegnet og Peter har haft en del overvejelser overfor importen i Kolding. Peter har f.eks. gemt alle de 'gamle' bygninger i en fil (som er delt i en tidligere mail) for at man lettere kan finde overlappende bygninger (via JOSM). Desuden mente vi at der ikke var flere bygninger der overlappede end det var rimeligt overkommeligt at få rettet op på. Der var flere overlappende bygninger end vi havde forudset, da import området var størrer end Kolding kommunes område. Undertegnet er i dialog med kommunen i denne problematik, da de har givet og data der ligger udenfor kommunen. Håber at det ikke skulle give et problem. /Jens Den 5. apr. 2011 20.55 skrev Carsten Nielsen list_re...@toensberg.dk: Har man ikke gjort sig nogen overvejelser i den retning inden man foretog importen ? Carsten Den 05-04-2011 17:12, Jens Winbladh skrev: Tænker det samme som Jonas - har lige snakket med Lars_ch om dette. Han har tegnet en kæmpe mængde bygninger i Vejen og omegn, hvor en del skal slettes pga. Kolding importen /Jens Den 5. apr. 2011 12.06 skrev Jonas Häggqvist ras...@rasher.dk: On 04-04-2011 14:50, Esbern Snare wrote: Hvordan håndterer I allerede manuelt indtegnede bygninger ? Spørgsmålet stiller jeg fordi jeg har overvejet at ligge nogle bygninger ind, men gider ikke dobbeltarbejde, der er jo nok andet der kan opmåles og tegnes, men de er jo også et spørgsmål om vi i nærmeste fremtid får flere data sådan som der går politik i sagerne. I store træk vil jeg mene at de bedste data vinder. Hvis du tegner bygninger ind, og vi får doneret bygningsdata fra den kommune, så vil det give mening at de mindst præcise bygninger blive slettet. Om vi får mere data doneret kan ingen forudse. Det kan ske om en måned, eller om 10 år - eller aldrig. Hvorvidt det er besværet værd må være en individuel betragtning. Personlig har jeg indtegnet en del bygninger i Horsens, da jeg synes det er en sjov ting at have på, og jeg kan godt leve med det hvis de engang skulle blive slettet fordi vi får bedre bygningsdata doneret. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk -- *Jens Winbladh* Brynet 51, 6000 Kolding Mobil: 26150926 Email:j...@somewhere.dk ___ Talk-dk mailing listTalk-dk@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk Ingen virus fundet i denne indkommende meddelelse. Kontrolleret af AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3552 - Udgivelsesdato: 04/05/11 14:05:00 ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk -- *Jens Winbladh* Brynet 51, 6000 Kolding Mobil: 26150926 Email:j...@somewhere.dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Hastighedsgrænser og oplysningstavler
Hej. Jeg mindes at en kørelærer på et tidspunkt omtalte forskellen på de blå/firkantede og de rød-hvide hastighedsbegrænsning: - Forbudstavlerne fortæller logisk nok at det er forbudt at kører hurtigere end det skiltede. - De blå tavler fortæller hvordan forholdene er på stedet - og da man må ikke køre hurtigere end hvad forholdene tillader, betyder det bare at det er en anden paragraf man bliver sigtet for overtrædelse af... Jeg gætter på at man i praksis nok kun bliver sigtet når det _er_ gået galt i det sidste tilfælde, men det er bare min formodning. VH Jakob Riis Josephsen ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
[Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
Hola, soy usuario de Ubuntu 10.10 (bastante torpe por cierto) He estado un tiempo sin usar el josm, y ahora que vuelvo me indica el programa que debo actualizarlo. Sigo en enlace y me dirijo a: Descargue el *JOSM http://josm.openstreetmap.de/josm-tested.jar* probado versión 3966 me descargo el archivo *josm-tested.jar* y al descomprimir el archivo me muestra varios directorios: com, data, images, META-INF, oauth, org, styles y 6 archivos entre ellos un README que tampoco me aclara mucho de que debo hacer con ellos. Seguro que es evidente pero en la wiki explica la instalación desde el repositorio, pero no la gestión de las actualizaciones. Si está explicado en algún sitio o alguien me ayuda se lo agradeceré. Gracias Francesc ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
Hola Francesc, No hay que descomprimirlo, si tienes java instalado solo tienes que ejecutar java -jar /home/nombredeusuario/carpetadondeloguardes/josm-tested.jar Al 06/04/11 15:53, En/na bicifamiliar ha escrit: Hola, soy usuario de Ubuntu 10.10 (bastante torpe por cierto) He estado un tiempo sin usar el josm, y ahora que vuelvo me indica el programa que debo actualizarlo. Sigo en enlace y me dirijo a: Descargue el *JOSM http://josm.openstreetmap.de/josm-tested.jar* probado versión 3966 me descargo el archivo *josm-tested.jar* y al descomprimir el archivo me muestra varios directorios: com, data, images, META-INF, oauth, org, styles y 6 archivos entre ellos un README que tampoco me aclara mucho de que debo hacer con ellos. Seguro que es evidente pero en la wiki explica la instalación desde el repositorio, pero no la gestión de las actualizaciones. Si está explicado en algún sitio o alguien me ayuda se lo agradeceré. Gracias Francesc ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
No lo descomprimas, es 1 aplicacion java, solo debes ejecutarla con java -jar josm-tested.jar El 06/04/11, bicifamiliar i...@bicifamiliar.org escribió: Hola, soy usuario de Ubuntu 10.10 (bastante torpe por cierto) He estado un tiempo sin usar el josm, y ahora que vuelvo me indica el programa que debo actualizarlo. Sigo en enlace y me dirijo a: Descargue el *JOSM http://josm.openstreetmap.de/josm-tested.jar* probado versión 3966 me descargo el archivo *josm-tested.jar* y al descomprimir el archivo me muestra varios directorios: com, data, images, META-INF, oauth, org, styles y 6 archivos entre ellos un README que tampoco me aclara mucho de que debo hacer con ellos. Seguro que es evidente pero en la wiki explica la instalación desde el repositorio, pero no la gestión de las actualizaciones. Si está explicado en algún sitio o alguien me ayuda se lo agradeceré. Gracias Francesc ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
Muchas gracias. Ya lo he conseguido cargar :D Pero hay alguna manera de acceder al programa sin la línea de comando? Yo tengo un acceso directo en la barra superior pero me lleva a la versión antigua, como podría vincular el acceso directo con la versión última de josm? Por cierto la capa Yahoo Sat y Cadastre (Catastro) me da un error y antes me eran de mucha utilidad, hay algún problema? hay que actualizarlos de alguna manera? EL Catastro al cargarlo me indica: Existe un desajuste entre la proyección 'epsg' de la URL y la projección actual 'epsg:4326' esto puede dar lugar a unas coordenadas erróneas. Gracias de nuevo, Francesc Al 06/04/11 15:59, En/na José Manuel Díaz Soriano ha escrit: No lo descomprimas, es 1 aplicacion java, solo debes ejecutarla con java -jar josm-tested.jar El 06/04/11, bicifamiliari...@bicifamiliar.org escribió: Hola, soy usuario de Ubuntu 10.10 (bastante torpe por cierto) He estado un tiempo sin usar el josm, y ahora que vuelvo me indica el programa que debo actualizarlo. Sigo en enlace y me dirijo a: Descargue el *JOSMhttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/josm-tested.jar* probado versión 3966 me descargo el archivo *josm-tested.jar* y al descomprimir el archivo me muestra varios directorios: com, data, images, META-INF, oauth, org, styles y 6 archivos entre ellos un README que tampoco me aclara mucho de que debo hacer con ellos. Seguro que es evidente pero en la wiki explica la instalación desde el repositorio, pero no la gestión de las actualizaciones. Si está explicado en algún sitio o alguien me ayuda se lo agradeceré. Gracias Francesc ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
Yo lo tengo en la barra superior con un icono, es bastante cómodo. Para que te funcione solo tienes que añadir una aplicación al panel, y escribes el comando anterior con la ruta completa. El 6 de abril de 2011 16:30, Juanjo Pablos jua...@apertus.es escribió: El 06/04/11 16:27, bicifamiliar escribió: Muchas gracias. Ya lo he conseguido cargar :D Pero hay alguna manera de acceder al programa sin la línea de comando? Yo lo uso con debian , pero en ubuntu sera igual, prueba a dar al boton derecho: Ejecutar con java -- La mayoría de las personas tienen miedo a la muerte porque no han hecho nada de su vida. -- Peter Ustinov. (1921-) Actor estadounidense. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
El día 6 de abril de 2011 16:44, José Manuel Díaz Soriano cbu...@gmail.com escribió: Yo lo tengo en la barra superior con un icono, es bastante cómodo. Iván mandó a la lista hace tiempo un script para simplificar el proceso de ejecución y actualización: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2009-September/003639.html Sería guardar esos comandos en un archivo de texto, ponerlo como ejecutable y crear un acceso directo en en menú de aplicaciones o en el escritorio. -- Jynus ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
Abre nautilus con permisos de superusuario y ve a /usr/share/josm que por sonsola seria: sudo nautilus /usr/share/josm una vez que estes ahi, sustituye el .jar que vas a ver ahi por el que te acabas de descargar, pero CON EL MISMO NOMBRE. cierras nautilus, y ya te tiene que ir todo, inclusive cuando accedas a josm desde el menu de GNOME. Saludos. On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:57:50 +0200, jynus jyn...@gmail.com wrote: El día 6 de abril de 2011 16:44, José Manuel Díaz Soriano cbu...@gmail.com escribió: Yo lo tengo en la barra superior con un icono, es bastante cómodo. Iván mandó a la lista hace tiempo un script para simplificar el proceso de ejecución y actualización: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2009-September/003639.html Sería guardar esos comandos en un archivo de texto, ponerlo como ejecutable y crear un acceso directo en en menú de aplicaciones o en el escritorio. -- Jynus ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
El miércoles día 06 de abril de 2011, a las 15:59:50 +0200, José Manuel Díaz Soriano escribió: No lo descomprimas, es 1 aplicacion java, solo debes ejecutarla con java -jar josm-tested.jar Aprovecho el mensaje para añadir algo que a mi me ha sucedido, en Linux, pero que le sucederá a cualquiera que use JOSM y cargue áreas extensas, y es el agotamiento de la memoria en uso por parte de JOSM. Al menos en mi caso, el java me estaba lanzando el JOSM con un valor implícito de -Xmx256M, o al menos, eso me pareció deducir cuando llegado a un determinado punto de volumen y complejidad de datos, JOSM comenzó a darme errores de asignación de memoria. Fue suficiente poner el parámetro adicional -Xmx2048M a la línea de comandos para lanzar el .jar, para que el problema no se volviera a reproducir. Evidentemente meterle 2 GB al JOSM es una sobrada, pero de RAM no ando corto y así me aseguro de que no me vuelve a fallar. Y la idea que pretendía transmitir creo que está clara :-) Un saludo. -- José Luis Domingo López Linux Registered User #189436 Linux Kubuntu 10.04 LTS (Linux 2.6.32-29-386) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
Solo usalo desde consola escribiendo : usuario$java -jar josm-tested.jar salu2 Humano Enviado desde mi iPad El 06/04/2011, a las 08:53, bicifamiliar i...@bicifamiliar.org escribió: Hola, soy usuario de Ubuntu 10.10 (bastante torpe por cierto) He estado un tiempo sin usar el josm, y ahora que vuelvo me indica el programa que debo actualizarlo. Sigo en enlace y me dirijo a: Descargue el JOSM probado versión 3966 me descargo el archivo josm-tested.jar y al descomprimir el archivo me muestra varios directorios: com, data, images, META-INF, oauth, org, styles y 6 archivos entre ellos un README que tampoco me aclara mucho de que debo hacer con ellos. Seguro que es evidente pero en la wiki explica la instalación desde el repositorio, pero no la gestión de las actualizaciones. Si está explicado en algún sitio o alguien me ayuda se lo agradeceré. Gracias Francesc ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cómo actualizar JOSM
Veo mucho más fácil que todo esto emplear la versión online, el fichero .jnlp, que al abrirlo descarga y usa automáticamente la versión más nueva. Si tienes una conexión mínimamente decente, no deberías tardar nada en abrirlo: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm.jnlp ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Catastro.
Hoy twitter ha sido un torbellino, y veo que aquí el tema no ha llegado todavía. Así que aquí dejo esto: http://www.catastro.meh.es/ayuda/legislacion/ovc/resoluciondgc20110323_tfs.pdf -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es i...@geonerd.org ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro.
Entonces ya se podra utilizar las fuentes del catastro en esa reunión¿? -- *** ~ Un saludo cordial de Manuel ~ *** Mi sitio si te interesa mas información visita El blog relacionado con linux # http://www.picholeiro.info . Mi servidor # http://servidor.picholeiro.info . ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] ¿Puede Google usar los datos de OSM?
Pues eso, yo en mi pueblo he mapeado muchas zonas inexistentes en google maps, y ahora me da por entrar y las tienen mapeadas... os dejos unos enlaces: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=esgeocode=q=utrera+sevillaaq=sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=34.313287,79.013672ie=UTF8hq=hnear=Utrera,+Sevilla,+Andaluc%C3%ADa,+Espa%C3%B1all=37.193963,-5.767093spn=0.008427,0.01929t=hz=16 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.1938598155975lon=-5.76730728149414zoom=16 Además, os aseguro que no estaba porque es una zona que es nueva, solo están las calles porque las obras se quedaron paradas. Un saludo. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro.
Como soy nuevo, alguien me dice de que va el tema del catastro. El 7 de abril de 2011 00:40, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.esescribió: On Jueves 07 Abril 2011 00:24:32 Manuel escribió: Entonces ya se podra utilizar las fuentes del catastro en esa reunión¿? Lo más conveniente va a ser esperar un par de días, a ver qué datos hay, y cómo se pueden procesar. Legalmente hay luz verde para usar los datos descargables de Catastro en OSM, siempre y cuando se ponga un source=Catastro y un source:date=*. (Ojo: entiendo que el WMS de Catastro queda fuera). Pero técnicamente hay muchos escollos que superar. Hasta que no tengamos una estrategia y unos scripts decentes yo recomendaría no meterle mucha mano. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es i...@geonerd.org http://ivan.sanchezortega.es MSN:i...@void.sanchezortega.es Jabber:ivansanc...@jabber.org ; ivansanc...@kdetalk.net IRC: ivansanchez @ OFTC freenode ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro.
El jueves día 07 de abril de 2011, a las 00:24:32 +0200, Manuel escribió: Entonces ya se podra utilizar las fuentes del catastro en esa reunión¿? Lo que he sacado como conclusión de una lectura a ojo de águila, rápida, y a estas horas de la noche del documento, es lo siguiente: + Autorización para descargas masivas, respetando un ritmo que no afecte a los servidores del Catastro, de toda la información catastral disponible + Autorización implícita para cualquier uso distinto de la redistribución literal de lo descargado (obligan a redistribuir trabajos derivados, pero no dejan redistribuir copias literales) + La concesión del permiso para los datos descargados será de 10 años de validez + El único requisito es la cumplimentación de unos formularios (online) y la identificación del interesado mediante certificado digital Toda la parte normativa y el 75% del contenido me lo he saltado mediante la técnica ninja de la lectura aleatoria, así que quizás todo o parte de lo que comento no sea del todo correcto, aunque si Iván publica lo que publica en estos correos, creo que muy desencaminado no voy. Gran noticia, y mi sincero reconomiento a todos aquellos que , con su lucha profesional, silenciosa y constante, logran estos avances, que tened por seguro no suceden por casualidad. Loor y gloria a ellos. Un saludo. -- José Luis Domingo López Linux Registered User #189436 Linux Kubuntu 10.04 LTS (Linux 2.6.32-29-386) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] ¿Puede Google usar los datos de OSM?
On Jueves 07 Abril 2011 00:40:08 José Manuel Díaz Soriano escribió: Pues eso, yo en mi pueblo he mapeado muchas zonas inexistentes en google maps, y ahora me da por entrar y las tienen mapeadas... No, no. Las geometrías son distintas, y los nombres de calle o no están en OSM, o son distintos. http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemaplon=-5.77338lat=37.19245zoom=16 -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es i...@geonerd.org Aviso: Este e-mail es confidencial y no debería ser usado por nadie que no sea el destinatario original. No se permite la reproducción mediante fotocopia, walkie-talkie, emisora de radioaficionado, satélite, televisión por cable, proyector, señales de humo, código morse, braille, lenguaje de signos, taquigrafía o cualquier otro medio. Bajo ningún concepto debe traducirse al francés este e-mail. Este e-mail no puede ser ridiculizado, parodiado, juzgado en una competición, o leído en voz alta con un acento gracioso llevando un bigote falso y/o cualquier tipo de sombrero, incluyendo pero no limitándose a pañuelos. No inciten ni provoquen a este e-mail. Si está medicándose, puede experimentar nauseas, desorientación, histeria, vómitos, pérdida temporal de la memoria a corto plazo y malestar general al leer este e-mail. Consulte a su médico o farmacéutico antes de leer este e-mail. Todas las modelos descritas en este e-mail son mayores de 18 años. Este e-mail se reserva el derecho de admisión. Si ha recibido este e-mail por error es probablemente porque estaba borracho cuando escribí la dirección del destinatario. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Madrid por bici - calles tranquilas y las pasarelas
Quisiera saber si hay un/unos voluntarios en Madrid interesados en colaborar con nosotros para mejorar OSM para que las bicis tengan mejor conecciones en el mapa. Nos anudaría a nosotros (http://es.ridethecity.com/madrid) y todos los ciclistas de la Ciudad. Que necesitamos hacer? 1) Agregar etiquetas de bicycle=designated a la lista de calles tranquilas abajo (#1), (gracias a nuestros amigos de Espormadrid), y 2) Agregar las pasarelas (#2 abajo, pero en lugar de Google Maps, usaríamos el de Yahoo). De Espormadrid.es: 1. Nosotros hemos elaborado un plano de calles tranquilas en el que además de las rutas del ayuntamiento se incluyen calles fáciles, con poco tráfico y pendiente moderada, señalando tramos con pendientes fuertes: http://www.enbicipormadrid.es/p/calles-tranquilas.html Estaría muy bien que incorporarais esta información a vuestro proyecto. 2. Falta en vuestro mapa muchas pasarelas para peatones y bicis que cruzan por autopistas, sobre todo en el río y en la autopista M30 que rodea la ciudad. En este enlace hay una foto aérea de 2010 de Madrid, más actual que Google Maps, donde se pueden ver todas las pasarelas. http://www.madrid.org/nomecalles/Inicio.icm ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro.
El 07/04/11 00:50, José Luis Domingo López escribió: El jueves día 07 de abril de 2011, a las 00:24:32 +0200, Manuel escribió: Entonces ya se podra utilizar las fuentes del catastro en esa reunión¿? Lo que he sacado como conclusión de una lectura a ojo de águila, rápida, y a estas horas de la noche del documento, es lo siguiente: + Autorización para descargas masivas, respetando un ritmo que no afecte a los servidores del Catastro, de toda la información catastral disponible + Autorización implícita para cualquier uso distinto de la redistribución literal de lo descargado (obligan a redistribuir trabajos derivados, pero no dejan redistribuir copias literales) + La concesión del permiso para los datos descargados será de 10 años de validez + El único requisito es la cumplimentación de unos formularios (online) y la identificación del interesado mediante certificado digital He estado en la presentación y lo que se notaba que les preocupaba era que alguien pudiera hacerse pasar por el origen de la información. Es decir, no solo quieren que se les cite como fuente sino que quieren evitar que se republiquen sin procesar los datos que ellos emanan. Ese, entiendo, es el trasfondo del límite de los 10 años. Ivan lo ha dicho en twitter y estoy de acuerdo: pretenden que no tardes 10 años en construir el producto derivado. Igualmente, sus bases de datos están en constante actualización, por lo que si mantienes 10 años ese dato , es que tienes un problema. Toda la parte normativa y el 75% del contenido me lo he saltado mediante la técnica ninja de la lectura aleatoria, así que quizás todo o parte de lo que comento no sea del todo correcto, aunque si Iván publica lo que publica en estos correos, creo que muy desencaminado no voy. Gran noticia, y mi sincero reconomiento a todos aquellos que , con su lucha profesional, silenciosa y constante, logran estos avances, que tened por seguro no suceden por casualidad. Loor y gloria a ellos. Me ha llamado la atención en la argumentación que era algo así (interpreto) que para lo que voy a ganar montando una infraestructura y policía alrededor de la gestión de los derechos, voy a ganar más cediendo los datos a las empresas. Desde mi punto de vista es un hito histórico. No es habitual escuchar esas cosas en este país. Saludos Pablo Gómez ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-at] Grazer OSM Stammtisch
Hallo, wo wird der Stammtisch stattfinden? Auf welchen Namen ist der Tisch reserviert bzw. wie findet man ihn - ich denke eine GPS Ortung ist im Lokal nur schwer möglich ;-) Grüße, michi! ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-ca] New Background layers for Surrey
I've developed a couple of new layers that I use as background layers when working in Surrey, BC. First off though, do NOT import these files. Instead, merge objects from them or trace from them if you want to use them. The first is cadLotsSHP, the Surrey castradal data. Castradal data (property lot data) is not suitable for importing into OSM, but there are uses. Included in it is school and park data as well as some railway landuse data. It is also sometimes useful for establishing the bounds of residential areas. An example of this is http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-122.868 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-122.868minlat=49.126maxlon=-122.862 maxlat=49.134box=yes minlat=49.126maxlon=-122.862maxlat=49.134box=yes where I used the outer lots to establish the landuse for the block. The second is parkNaturalAreasSHP, which is a map of natural areas in parks. I describe this conversion in detail at http://www.paulnorman.ca/blog/2011/04/a-simpler-shapefile-conversion/ but basically everything is natural=wood wood=coniferous/deciduous/mixed, natural=scrub or landuse=meadow. The third is trnRoadCentrelinesSHP which is the Surrey road network data which I posted to talk-ca@ earlier. I've been using it for fixing abbreviated road names (e.g. 22 av instead of 22B Avenue) as well as adding in maxspeed=* lanes=* information for major roads. My typical workflow with these files is I have them up in the background and instead of tracing, I merge the relevant object to the OSM layer. The end result is the same, but I find it faster. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utiliser OSM sur une commune rurale comme mini-SIG
Le mardi 5 avril 2011 18:34:42 Brice, vous avez écrit : Ce qu'il faudrait maintenant, pour ceux que cela intéresserait : - calculer le linéaire routier communal avec tri sur les tags qui vont bien (cf. la page wiki) - calculer la surface goudronnée totale Pour ça, il suffit d'écrire les requête SQL qui vont bien. Si tu n'es pas à l'aise, le mieux est que tu explicites toi ce qu'il faut mesurer (les tags à utiliser pour sélectionner les sections en fait) et on devrait pouvoir te faire ça. Idéalement (plus tard ? jamais, car trop long ?) : - une interface qui permettrait de sélectionner des linéaires pour calculer les surfaces goudronnées de telle ou telle route, tel tronçon, ... Ouaip, ça serait sympa. Ça me semble jouable avec une appli web et openlayers, mais il y a du boulot :-) -- Nicolas Dumoulin http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NicolasDumoulin ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Besoin de mappeurs rapidement
Le mardi 5 avril 2011 14:04:09 hamster, vous avez écrit : y'a pas quelqu'un qui a pense a faire une capture d'ecran avant, histoire de voir la difference ? Pour ceux que ça intéresse, le rendu avant : http://osm.dumoulin63.net/rendus/mons20110405.png et le rendu après : http://osm.dumoulin63.net/rendus/mons20110406.png On ne tagge pas pour le rendu, mais on voit bien le boulot en quelques heures ;-) bien joué -- Nicolas Dumoulin http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NicolasDumoulin ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] RE : Re: Besoin de mappeurs rapidement
Bonjour tous, Malheureusement je n'tais pas disponinle hier au moment de cette sance de "blitz-mapping". Sinon a m'aurait bien amuser de participer cette exprience. Du coup pour me rattraper de ma frustration, j'ai fait un billet sur mon site pour parler de cette belle exprience : http://libreavous.teledetection.fr/geomatique/9-openstreetmap/23-openstreetmap-cartographie-express-en-une-heure Merci Nicolas Dumoulin pour les images avant / aprs. Je me suis permis de les dcouper sur la zone o il y avait eu le plus de modifications. Nicolas Moyroud ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] RE : Re: Besoin de mappeurs rapidement
En complément à ces deux images, j'ai utilisé un petit slider jQuery pour visualiser l'avant / après : http://88.191.39.115/fabien/geotribu/blog/slidingmap/mini-party/ http://88.191.39.115/fabien/geotribu/blog/slidingmap/mini-party/Fabien 2011/4/6 Nicolas Moyroud nmoyr...@free.fr Bonjour à tous, Malheureusement je n'étais pas disponinle hier au moment de cette séance de blitz-mapping. Sinon ça m'aurait bien amuser de participer à cette expérience. Du coup pour me rattraper de ma frustration, j'ai fait un billet sur mon site pour parler de cette belle expérience : http://libreavous.teledetection.fr/geomatique/9-openstreetmap/23-openstreetmap-cartographie-express-en-une-heure Merci à Nicolas Dumoulin pour les images avant / après. Je me suis permis de les découper sur la zone où il y avait eu le plus de modifications. Nicolas Moyroud ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Besoin de mappeurs ce 5/4/2011 - la suite
Bonjour, (For the belgian list, it is not possible to translate my messages now... I am sorry) Petit retour en arrière... Hier après-midi, un responsable d'une association cycliste envoyait un mail à plusieurs autres associations cyclistes pour encourager OSM, avec, en copie, des responsables de la région wallonne, entité administrative belge qui dispose de nombreuses cartes - qu'elle pourrait libérer. Le responsable d'une autre association répondait : Moi je ne suis pas intéressé: je n'aime pas OSM parce que c'est mal couvert, c'est lent, et personne ne l'utilise, contrairement à google maps. Je ne rentre pas dans la démarche. Vous avez vu la suite par mon mail et la réaction de nous tous... D'autres responsables d'assoc' et des mappeurs ont heureusement répondu plus favorablement et défendu le projet avec moi. Hier soir, j'ai pu lui envoyer le mail ci-dessous. La démonstration d'hier a été bluffante. Les messages suivants du responsable de l'assoc' allaient plutôt dans le sens d'une collaboration. Un petit pas en avant, peut-être ? Julien FASTRE Bonjour, Je suis également contributeur à Openstreetmap. Je vais dans le sens de Benoît et je reprends intégralement ses arguments sur l'ouverture des données. Je remarque aussi des lenteurs dans l'affichage des cartes, mais je dois dire que je vois également des améliorations. J'ai envie d'ajouter quelques arguments à ceux de Benoît, auxquels je me sens sensible. Si ne voyait pas correctement sa rue cet après-midi (le réfractaire avait un bug d'affichage, ça n'est pas un bug dans Openstreetmap: je vais vous expliquer pourquoi tout de suite. Je suis également développeur, et j'ai aussi commencé à développer en utilisant google maps. C'est facile, un grand nombre de possibilités peuvent être rapidement implémentée, etc. Mais je me rends compte qu'il s'agit d'un piège. A tout moment Google peut changer ses conditions générales d'utilisation, et tous les développeurs - et utilisateurs - seront piégés par lui. Il peut pister ce qu'en font les utilisateurs (un code est stocké sur chaque ordinateur, et sur chaque site). Bref, il ne faut pas oublier que l'on paie ailleurs ce que l'on obtient gratuitement quelque part. Chez OSM, toutes ces considérations sont réglées. Il n'y a aucun souci de droits (tant qu'il n'en est pas fait d'utilisation commerciale). Les licences ne seront pas changées intempestivement. Ensuite, je pense qu'aujourd'hui il y a énormément d'outils, d'une grande qualité, qui sont disponibles. Il est aussi facile d'utiliser OSM que Google maps. En tant que développeur, le projet est pérenne. Et pour ceux qui sont vraiment accros à Google, le moteur qui permet d'afficher les cartes d'OSM dans une page web accepte aussi les cartes google (et, d'ailleurs, toutes les cartes qu'on lui indique) Ensuite, OSM est un projet par et pour des citoyens. Il est géré de manière démocratique. La manière de cartographier et les descripteurs à utiliser, par exemple, est régulièrement discutée et votée. Les logiciels qui permettent de cartographier sont de plus en plus faciles d'utilisation. Si bien qu'aujourd'hui, au fur et à mesure que la carte soit remplie, nous pouvons dire que tout un chacun peut s'approprier des données géographiques. Des millions d'utilisations sont possibles, pour l'individu comme pour l'associatif ou le service public. Comme démonstration, j'ai créé une carte de chaleur de la couverture des arceaux à vélo de la ville de Liège (la carte est grandement améliorable: ceci n'est qu'un exemple! Il ne fonctionne pas dans Internet Explorer) : http://demo.meta-morphoses.be/parking-velo-liege/map.php Je suis extrêmement sensible à cette idée de pouvoir s'approprier son territoire en le décrivant. Décrire son environnement, c'est aussi une manière de l'habiter. Rendre des éléments visibles - ou invisibles - par des cartes, c'est avoir une influence sur celui-ci. La fiabilité des cartes va également en s'améliorant. Wikipédia, au moment de sa naissance, n'était qu'un petit projet. Aujourd'hui, il est devenu une référence presque incontournable, et des études ont montré que l'encyclopédie libre se trompait autant que les autres! Enfin, la communauté d'OSM est très active: il y a un bon nombre de gros contributeurs, et un nombre encore plus important de petits contributeurs, qui chaque jour détectent les bugs, font avancer la carte, etc. Le bug qui est apparu cet après-midi est du à la réactivité de cette communauté. J'ai en effet découverte le message de Mr dès qu'il a été posté. J'étais au travail et je ne pouvais réagir, j'ai néanmoins également vu que la région indiquée était très peu couverte. J'ai alors proposé, via une mailing-list, que les mappeurs qui avaient un peu de temps se concentrent sur cette région. Une vingtaine d'entre eux ont relevé le défi. Ils ont cartographié, à partir de photos aérienne, la région que j'avais indiquée:
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] RE : Re: Besoin de mappeurs rapidement
Le mercredi 6 avril 2011 11:30:01 Fabien, vous avez écrit : En complément à ces deux images, j'ai utilisé un petit slider jQuery pour visualiser l'avant / après : http://88.191.39.115/fabien/geotribu/blog/slidingmap/mini-party/ Hé, c'est super sympa ça :-) -- Nicolas Dumoulin http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NicolasDumoulin ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Suivi d'un parcours en vélo
Bonjour à tous, 2 nancéens sont partis hier en vélo tandem pour un voyage qui va les mener jusqu'en Turquie. Dommage que je n'ai pas cherché à les contacter plus tôt car bien que Yohan soit cartographe à l'ONF, ils ont choisi Google pour le suivi de leur parcours. Pour info, maintenant que je m'intéresse de plus en plus à l'exploitation que l'on peut faire d'OSM, quel est donc l'outil libre qui permet de faire la même chose que ça: http://sans-toit-ni-loi.over-blog.com/ext/http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=frmsa=0ll=47.635784,5.229492spn=17.424341,39.506836t=kz=5msid=206417334501988248297.00049c81ed4bdcfeaabac Openlayers? Merci. Romain -- Message transféré -- De : nore...@over-blog.com nore...@over-blog.com Date : 6 avril 2011 12:17 Objet : OverBlog : Confirmation de l'envoi d'un message À : romain.me...@gmail.com http://www.over-blog.com 06/04/2011 12:17:01 OverBlog : Confirmation de l'envoi d'un message Vous venez d'envoyer le message suivant par le lien contact du blog http://sans-toit-ni-loi.over-blog.com/ : Bonjour, En tant qu'adhérent à l'association Dynamo, j'ai eu écho de votre projet de voyage en tandem. Par ailleurs, à titre personnel, je suis contributeur au projet Openstreetmap de cartographie libre et participative. J'ai appris que Yohan est cartographe à l'ONF. As-tu (je me permets le tu) connaissance de ce projet? Sur le blog, il y a un lien vers GPSies sur lequel on peut choisir un fond OSM vélo ou Openstreetmap. Aussi sur les liens On va où? et Où on en est c'est un fond Google qui est affiché. Dommage j'ai envie de dire car avec OSM vous pourriez à votre tour être contributeur et ainsi partager librement avec tout le monde votre parcours. Certes, dans les campagnes, OSM ne rivalise pas encore avec Google mais le retard se comble très rapidement avec l'augmentation du nombre de contributeurs et en parallèle la libéralisation des données par certaines collectivités et en particulier, Rennes où vous vous rendez pour un mariage. Il est peut être désormais trop tard pour réfléchir à l'utilisation de cet outil dans la préparation de votre voyage? Dans tous les cas, j'aurais bien aimé pouvoir échanger avec vous sur ce sujet... Pourquoi pas à votre retour? Romain Attention ! En aucun cas, ce mail ne vous garantit la lecture du message envoyé Bon blogging et merci d'avoir visité over-blog.comhttp://www.over-blog.com/ -- L'équipe de over-blog.com -- © 2011 over-blog.com. Tous droits réservés ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] (sans objet)
Bonjour à tous le monde, Je suis étudiant , dernière année et je fait mon stage de fin d'études à une université française. Donc mon sujet et d'optimiser la consomation d'un vehicule électrique en faisant l'attention sur le traffic et l'inclinaison de la route.Alors à l'aide de tout ça de minimiser les pertes dues à une route très longue. Ca qui m'intéresse est si vous pouvez m'aider trouvez des examples ou tutoriel comment on peut remplacer google navigation avec open street maps? Je vous rémercie par avance! Cordialement Andrey ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suivi d'un parcours en vélo
2011/4/6 Romain MEHUT romain.me...@gmail.com Pour info, maintenant que je m'intéresse de plus en plus à l'exploitation que l'on peut faire d'OSM, quel est donc l'outil libre qui permet de faire la même chose que ça: http://sans-toit-ni-loi.over-blog.com/ext/http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=frmsa=0ll=47.635784,5.229492spn=17.424341,39.506836t=kz=5msid=206417334501988248297.00049c81ed4bdcfeaabac Openlayers? Oui, mais il y a peut etre plus rapide : utiliser simplement http://syj.renevier.net/ F. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suivi d'un parcours en vélo
On 06/04/2011 14:17, François Van Der Biest wrote: Oui, mais il y a peut etre plus rapide : utiliser simplement http://syj.renevier.net/ F. Au passage, il n'est vraiment pas possible d'accrocher les routes ? J'avais lu que comme elles peuvent changer ce n'était pas à priori possible de mettre ça en place. (lu ici, enfin de mémoire volatil) Car pouvoir accrocher les routes pour faire son itinéraire, c'est déjà beaucoup plus simple, même si avec le temps, les routes ce trouvent décaler, une petite mise à jour manuel de l'itinéraire ne devrait pas être bien compliquer. Non ? Nicolas ;) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suivi d'un parcours en vélo
2011/4/6 Nicolas Frery nicolas-l...@zoubi.info: On 06/04/2011 14:17, François Van Der Biest wrote: Oui, mais il y a peut etre plus rapide : utiliser simplement http://syj.renevier.net/ F. Au passage, il n'est vraiment pas possible d'accrocher les routes ? C'est suffisamment complexe pour avoir dû occuper qqs ingénieurs de chez Google pendant qqs mois, je pense. F. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Besoin de mappeurs ce 5/4/2011 - la suite
Juste un petit mot pour relever cette petite erreur factuelle dans ce long message: Chez OSM, toutes ces considérations sont réglées. Il n'y a aucun souci de droits (tant qu'il n'en est pas fait d'utilisation commerciale). Que ce soit cc-by-sa ou Odbl, l'utilisation commerciale ne pose aucun souci non plus. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
