Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks
Hi We have much the same issue with walking tracks and old surveying/mining roads is Tasmania. Parks has played a very dominating roll with Tasmapi it is actually dangerous as you can be standing on a made road/track and as it does not appear on the map you can get confused and lost. Also had a track appeared on a map a walking group could have walked out using it rather than calling in search and rescue to cross a flooded river. I use a simple rule, if it appears on the ground then it should appear in OSM. I do fully agree that access should be no. Just my thoughts based on lot of ground truthing. Ie getting lost. Cheers Brett Russell On 30 Jul 2015, at 12:09 pm, David Clark dbcl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: I lean towards mapping what's physically there, so if the trail exists I think it's ok to map it if you want to. If the trail is blocked by a fence/barrier and signage saying keep out etc, then I think access=no would be appropriate as it's facts based on what's physically there. I also default to If in doubt, leave the map as it is. So if someone has mapped something and I'm not really sure of any changes I'm thinking of making are correct, then I leave it alone. Anyway that's just my thoughts. Hi What (if any) is the correct tagging for unauthorised trails in national and state parks? For example, Ant Track https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-37.92599/145.32051 I have spoken with Parks Vic and they request that bike riders do not create additional trails and only use official trails. They would prefer if such unofficial trails were not mapped or named because it implies official status to park users. I have not yet worked out how to contact the author of Ant Track. Thanks Tony ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] How often is http://download.geofabrik.de/ updated
Hi I am back into to the swing of mapping after a move. As I am using a 3G network data downloads are rather important. So is from the http://download.geofabrik.de/ website generally only download the update files and use osmconvert to merge them in. But I have noticed changes that I have made in OSM for the last five days have not appeared on the Garmin file. Does anyone else use the update files and struck the same thing? Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] loading JOSM
Hi I am using JOSM on a Bodhi Unix which is a light version of ubuntu. The process I used was to install it using the package manager which put up a very old version of JOSM but it worked. Then download version 6319 and moved it over the top of the old version and this appears to have worked extremely well. Yes, I get the warning that the version of Java I am using will soon not be supported (version) but no issues. It was rather a rough process so I did not keep notes on the exact process but by using the package installer it set up the menu items in the operating system interface under Education applications. The copy straight over the top struck me as rather rough but t worked. Cheers Brett Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:54:37 +1000 From: i...@4x4falcon.com To: ag200...@gmail.com CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] loading JOSM Revert to java 6 The message on the start up screen has been there for ages and it's sometime soon. I'm using ubuntu 12.04 as well and have no problems running josm with java 6. Cheers Ross On 27/10/13 11:27, Arthur Geeson wrote: Hi, Firstly a thank you to the replies I got about the missing bench seats that were not appearing on the map. I have been trying to get JOSM working and it implied that I had a version of java that was too old. I then spend several hours to get a new version of java and now when I try to run JOSM it just falls over. I am using Ubuntu 12.04 and get the following problems: arthur@arthur-Aspire-5750G:/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/bin$ java -version java version 1.7.0_25 OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.3.10) (7u25-2.3.10-1ubuntu0.12.04.2) OpenJDK Server VM (build 23.7-b01, mixed mode) arthur@arthur-Aspire-5750G:/$ josm Using /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/bin/java to execute josm. java.awt.HeadlessException at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.checkHeadless(GraphicsEnvironment.java:207) at java.awt.Window.init(Window.java:535) at java.awt.Frame.init(Frame.java:420) at javax.swing.JFrame.init(JFrame.java:218) at org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.MainApplication.main(MainApplication.java:316) I have tried reloading JOSM and the plugins but it seems there maybe something wrong with java? Thanks - Arthur (geesona) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Some help testing a mkgmap file requieed
Hi I have been working away on making Garmin maps but have struck a rather typical Garmin issue. Anyway if you can have a look it would be much appreciated. https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=D994A45D28184300!429 Here is the link to the Ent_World.img file. The issue is on the search feature. I am using a Rino 650 and Garmin 62s. Now on the Rino it is near impossible to find anything as it assume Hu is all you need and finds a few things but nothing I want. The 62S is annoying as the find using the spell feature, while slow, finds the item, say Huntsman Lake but when I select automotive routing it calculates to 86% then fades out like the batteries have failed. A few sets of batteries later and this issue appears to be with the unit. So what I am trying to identify is my Garmin 62S is on the way out and is the Rino search been knobbled by Garmin. Also as a run Garmin topo maps and Shonky occasionally the map only shows contours. Copy and deleting the img files and then restarting the unit then shutting it down and copying back the img files works. Why? No idea!!! Anyway, please have a look and see how it works. I am in the process of developing the maps for Australia wide and striking a rather large number of issues. The best was the contour lines cut using a very large polygon of many points. The I5 after seven days and seven nights had barely made a dent but my I7 crunched the data in no time. Um? Ok yes it is a faster processor but my Asus eepc with the mighty atom processor did the job in five hours. Turns out the later version of phyghtmap is considerably more efficient than the version that the instruction for Windows referred to and I had put the more recent version on the I7. Anyway experimenting with a full 64 bit version and gradually pieced together something that appears to be working but still waiting for it to work through the download. Oh, and yes using very elaborate polys for the state boarders is not a good idea as was mentioned by a fellow forum member. Almost got there with Victoria using OSMCONVERT to cut the poly but then struck the issue of the sea flooding inland. Talk about global warming. So I will be using a simpler poly for further testing. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] What have they done to Polatch 2?
Hi I occasionally use Polatch 2 nowadays for things that JOSM makes near impossible such as tracing in rivers it is very useful But some unmentionable person has decided to change the rendering of lines so tracks are light brown so near invisible. Yes I am now aware of the new editor that they think is wonderful ID but a friend can not stand it and in my sixty second play I can understand why! Actually with JOSM is it possible to download a PBF file say of all of Australia rather than waste bandwidth downloading sections and finding the error of too much data. Also can I save the Bing imagery to avoid reloading it. And while on the subject can I easily allow JOSM more memory as it gets cranky and flakey on long editing sessions. The reason is I am on a mobile phone internet access and limited data usage. Also can I easily, a very relative term with JOSM, setup presets for something as simple as 4wd_only? JOSM does not recognize a lot of tags and this is painful. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Converting OSM roads to GIS dataset (Queensland, Australia)
Hi I am not sure if this will help but using OSMFILTER you can select all data tagged with highway=* and that will strip out every thing else from the PBF file. I interested I can help you set this up as it is very easy. Cheers Brett To: t...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-au@openstreetmap.org From: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:23:49 +1000 Subject: [talk-au] Converting OSM roads to GIS dataset (Queensland, Australia) Hello all, I'm trying to convert the Queensland, Australia OSM roads into a GIS format (esri shape or mapinfo) using GDAL 1.10 I downloaded a .osm.pbf file for australia from http://download.geofabrik.de/australia-oceania/australia.html I'm only really after the geometry that represents roads. So I don't need the points or polygons. Does anyone have any suggestions about any arguments I can put into my GDAL command to restrict translation to only what I consider relevant? For example, the argument -spat 136 -31 156 should restrict import to a bounding box that approximately represents Qld. I would appreciate advice on; - what geometry layer suits my purposes - how to specify that in a GDAL argument Kind regards, Nick Lawrence Senior Spatial Science Officer | Geospatial, Road Design Competency Engineering Technology Branch | Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 19 | Brisbane City - 313 Adelaide Street | 313 Adelaide Street | Brisbane City Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane City Qld 4001 P: (07) 30667977 | F: (07) 30668998 E: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: www.tmr.qld.gov.au *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] QLandkartGT
Hi John Making good progress with OSM and mkgmap to developed good walking maps with contours and tracks that hang in as you zoom out. Tried to use Basecamp to plan a walk and it was terrible. Got there in the end but never again! QLandkartGT looks interesting but a few questions if ok with you. 1. Can it use the img files on a Garmin device? 2. Can you overlay satellite imagery? 3. Does it use the contour lines to generate a vertical graph or is it like Basecamp it can only do this with tracks from the GPS? 4. How easy is it to plan a route and/or convert it to a track? Having now done a lot of OSM mapping I am looking to actually use the data. As mentioned I now have a good bushwalking img plus a smaller transparent one of tracks and huts that I can overlay over Garmin's maps. My weakness at the moment is home planning software as Basecamp is downright frustrating and slow to use to plan with. Ok for storage and displaying past trips. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Duplicate nodes
Hi Today the OSM sever went down half way through an upload from JOSM. Anyway they soon got it back but strange things happened before my latest changes uploaded. So I thought I would check out the upload in Polatch 2. Polatch 2 in the edit mode showed bright nodes on some lakes. A move of the lakes revealed more than a few had duplicate nodes but no connected ways. After some work I eliminated the duplicate nodes but had to use Polatch to find them as in Polatch they were very bright. Is there a way in JOSM to identify duplicate nodes. Before I put in the 1999 upload limit in JOSM it would fall over with multiple uploads. It would be great to identify such issues and fix them. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Gordon Lake - Multipolygon relations - I just do not understand
Hi Steve Thanks for that information. Gradually getting the hang of them on the simple examples but when I struck Lake Gordon wonder what on earth the incomplete [id 31755640] meant. It looks like an error message but as you commented earlier the lake is rendering as it should. Do notice that in JOSM the lake does not render correctly once I split a way and then refine it probably due to the size of the lake exceeding the downloadable segment. Due to the size of the Lake I am splitting sections out and tracing them in with more nodes and then reconnecting them. The delay in tile render can make this a bit challenging to check but looks like based on your notes that I am doing the right thing. And finally mastering getting maps on my Garmin with contours and rendered like mapnik. Thanks to a fellow list member I now can update the Australia pbf file and also extract contours for any part of the globe that has them. Typviewer means I can create or steal icons. Gradually figuring out the style sheet plus a few Garmin idiosyncrasies that mean things like resolution levels do not work past a certain pre-set Garmin point. Next step will be implementing sac_scale for walking tracks and revisiting the unpaved road issue. Plus seeing if I can liberate the higher 1 second contour line scans that were down as part of the SRTM contours for Australia. Cheers Brett Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:45:05 -0400 From: stev...@email.com Subject: Re: [talk-au] Gordon Lake - Multipolygon relations - I just do not understand To: brussell...@live.com.au; talk-au@openstreetmap.org Brett, Don't overthink the multipolygon. It is just a collection of nodes and ways, which is then (almost) tagged as if it is a way. Lake Gordon looks ok at the moment, so you might have worked it out... For lakes in JOSM, 1) Draw the outer edge of the lake as one way or a series of connnected ways. 2) Draw the edge of the islands as one way per island or a series of connected ways per island. 3) Select all the ways you have drawn for the lake and go to the 'Tools' menu and select 'Create Multi-polygon CTRL+ALT+A'. This will get JOSM to create a multipolygon relation, this is where you have all the lake related tags, not tags specific to the islands, the natural=island goes directly on the island way. 4) To add tags to the multipolygon, select one of the ways then under the normal properties side bar you should see a 'Member Of' area, double click on the multipolygon shown. 5) The tags for a multipolygon relation (lake) are: - type=multipolygon - natural=water - name=Lake Gordon - source=... etc. 6) For each way/node in a multipolygon you need to define its role. JOSM will attempt to do this automatically for you if you had all the ways selected when creating the multipolygon. If not: - All ways that form the outer edge of the lake have the role of 'outer' - All ways that form the islands in the lake have the role of 'inner' Note that when you are in the relation editor window, do not add or delete nodes in the map window behind, as it sometimes confuses it (will it sometimes asks you some questions which confuses me...). So always click OK (or cancel) on that window prior to changing nodes in the main window. Hope that helps, let me know if you need more details. I suggest you read the multipolygon and relation wiki pages. Stephen. - Original Message -From: Brett RussellSent: 07/30/13 10:45 PMTo: OSM Australia mailing listSubject: [talk-au] Gordon Lake - Multipolygon relations - I just do not understand Hi Must admit that multipolygon relationships have me confused. Lake Gordon is a good example. Thought, great I will refine the shoreline by selecting two points and breaking them and then deleting the section and rebuilding it with both ends joined. But I notice weird lines across the lake and incomplete inner and out mentioned in the relationship. Tried deleting them incomplete ones but all I get is confused. Rather than just fix my stuff up can some one walk me through fixing it as I loathed to touch them. Generally it is only the 2000 point limit and islands that forces me to use them. I am using JOSM. Cheers___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Gordon Lake - Multipolygon relations - I just do not understand
Hi Must admit that multipolygon relationships have me confused. Lake Gordon is a good example. Thought, great I will refine the shoreline by selecting two points and breaking them and then deleting the section and rebuilding it with both ends joined. But I notice weird lines across the lake and incomplete inner and out mentioned in the relationship. Tried deleting them incomplete ones but all I get is confused. Rather than just fix my stuff up can some one walk me through fixing it as I loathed to touch them. Generally it is only the 2000 point limit and islands that forces me to use them. I am using JOSM. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Missing Silver Lake
Hi I sometimes managed to stuff up multipolygon relationships and have no idea what is wrong so no idea how to fix them. The most recent one is Silver Lake. It does not come up in the search in mapnik, nor does the name display in mapnik nor JOSM. It is the lake north of Lake Antimony in Tasmania on the Pine River. Can someone have a look at it and advise me how to fix it. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au
Top job. Looks like the walls are tumbling down and access been gradually granted to government data. Cheers Brett Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:40:02 +1000 From: ben.kel...@gmail.com To: a...@softgrow.com CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au Well done. Thanks for following it up. - Ben Kelley On 25 Jul 2013 16:19, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: I've now obtained permission and recorded it at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data This is really very helpful as it allows: * at least a first pass for filling in nonames roads * geo-referencing Bing photos against property boundaries at least near the CBD * accurate Local Government and Suburb boundaries as opposed to ABS approximations * more bike lanes, playgrounds, fire stations, ambulance stations etc. to be included I followed a similar path to what was used for data.gov.au, and would comment that the day to write seeking permission/clarification is today as it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it. Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for mapping. Alex Original Message Subject: Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:35:55 +0930 From: Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org I'm just writing an email now to seek a similar agreement for sa.data.gov.au as for data.gov.au Alex On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote: The only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe that attribution “reasonable to the medium” is more than the ODbL guarantees which allows “notices in a location … where users would be likely to look for it” such as a wiki page linked from /copyright or in the case of produced works, a “notice … reasonably calculated to make [anyone] aware that Content was obtained from the Database” (The “Database” in that quote would be what was provided under CC BY). Some cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention on any page where the map was viewed was reasonable, which is clearly unreasonable when there can be dozens of sources on one page, or even hundreds. From: Ian Sergeant [mailto:inas66+...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM To: Daniel O'Connor Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au Hi Daniel, The first step should be to find out if they are willing to have their data relicenced under our licence? CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is likely only seeking attribution (which we do provide) but my understanding is that it is still insufficient for us to use without further permission from the data owner. Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the past in gaining such permission. Ian. On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote: The SA govt has joined many of the other state/local governments in publishing open data. The current implementation is powered by CKAN, and though I haven't seen it yet, appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in some fashion. Anyway, the majority of the data sets are CC-A licensed, and in either CSV or Shapefile format: Some initial things that might be worth importing/using as a reference/looking into: http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads
[talk-au] Garmin maps with style and typ files combined
Hi All Thanks to the to notch support from a local OSM Australia forum member and support from a generic OSM form and two excellent type files from French mappers I finally developed a very good starting point for a Garmin Bushwalking map, and here is the link to a drop box, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g7nxh1xwjrlxg5v/O9sBszLB0n with the resulting img. Now while far from perfect the img does have a few useful features. The typ file allows customisation of line types, polygons and icons. I have stolen a few icons from a French developer (via La France) that match the mapnik ones. Also created my own one for scree and minor mountains. I started with the default mkgmap default style sheet. Big thing to note is as mkgmaps is developed for Unix programmers all the directory links are / rather than \ so the include additional style sheets does not work until the slash is reversed for Window users. I then used the typ file from a French programmer that did a wonderful job mirroring the standard mapnik icons. Then for additional icons I found another French typ file from someone that is very artistic on designing icons and borrowed his waterfall icon, and will be liberating a few more. Plus as mentioned added my own style for scree. Also I modified the generic mapnik type to remove icons that are standard Garmin ones, as Garmin did a better job of rendering the icon. Thanks to the kind support of a fellow OSM Australia mailing list member I have added in the contours for 20 metres. Also I changed the resolution levels for paths to hang into 12 km and increased the number of levels by two. My contribution to the default style and mapnik typ file is three mountain types, 1000 metres, 1000-1399 metres, and 1400 metres. This means screen clutter is not such an issue. Also upped the standard resolution for contours and minor roads. Made the line type for paths more visible. So we now have alpine hut icon as well. The img should be routeable and with a street index. Anyway, the above is only for Tasmania as an experiment. Next step is playing with the road rendering as per my earlier email suggests. So have a look and any comments appreciated. More than happy to share my style and type files plus write up instruction for Window users incoming to terms with mkgmap. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] mkgmap and matching mapnik styles and typ files
Hi Thanks greatly to a fellow forum member I am making progress with mkgmap running on Windows 7. But I have struck a problem. mapnik uses an array of icons such as my favourite been the alpine_hut one. To get this to work you need to feed the outcome of a style sheet into a type file to produce an img file else you are limited to the standard Garmin ones. This means that the style file and typ file need to match else you get weird icons cropping up through the mismatch. Now it is easy enough to get hold of the mapnik typ file but the matching style sheet has proven elusive, remarkably so given the normal ease of finding things on OSM. Now before someone yet again refers me to that dreaded openmtb site I am looking to create Garmin maps that are optimised for Australian conditions not some European idea of mapping. Goodness knows we know how little they understand our 4Wd issues and even less on our bushwalking ones! By Australian conditions I mean ones that have zoom levels that hold huts, tracks and mountain in at 12km level. Sure in Europe such zoom level detail would result in so much screen clutter as to be useless but we are living in a vast country. I have by playing with the default style and using the mapnik style sheet to generate a better working map by altering the resolution levels. The results are getting there but rather than hand match the default mkgmap style to the mapnik style sheet that I have I am hoping that the matching style sheet exists and more importantly available rather than some covert commercialization attempt. If it is commercial property then fine, I will develop my own style and typ sheets, just will take a longer time than starting with a combination that will produce mapnik styles that we are familiar with in our editing. Also I have been looking at the mkgmap process and realizing that you can render a lot of things better. A good example is the much debated 4wd issue. Lets say we use default tags such as surface=unpaved and if you like 4wd_only=yes to keep in good with the European mappers but then use a new tag unpaved= 2wd-car, 2wd-high_clearance, 4wd-light, 4wd-heavy just as an example. Then with the conditional command in the mkgmap style generate a hex code that is matched to a line type in the typ file. Now the Norwegians are doing something similar with hiking trails. If I am correct in my understanding of the mkgmap style and typ relationship the above should work. It means that the standard maps will work as normal but specialised 4WD ones can exist. It is similar to rivers. For most people river, stream and intermittent=yes/no are fine. But for a kayaker a water grade of 1 to 6 is used. Most people would not want the river appearing in multiple colours for each grade but for a kayaker such information is important. As more and more people are realising there is no one map style to suit all purposes so let the Europeans be guardians of the generic styles but allow various interest groups to add sub types. Trouble is the OSM_inspector will flag such subtypes as invalid but that is only a matter of what is allowed or not. Heck, Polatch 2 ignored natural=peak while Polatch 1 supported this tag. Anyway, first a reference to a match mapnik style and typ combinations would be great. And secondly a discussion on using an unpaved=?,?,? type approach. I will need to do some testing to see if my ideas will work as if they do not then it is just wishful thinking on my part. I am will be picking on Urks Road as that starts 2wd_car, then 2wd high clearance, onto 4wd-light and finally needing a serious 4wd. I prefer descriptive labels as grade 1 to 10 will need to be explained. Sure, it is subjective but so is any grading system as even debates rage within government road managers on type A, B, and C roads. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making Garmin IMG for Bushwalking - Insanity starts
Hi Some kind fellow list mapper has split the pbf of Australia with Tasmania so I can play with mkgmap. Also they have been doing the same so are making progress. For me I have spent a lot of time battling Window issues so way behind their work, which they have made impressive progress but gradually coming up to speed, myself. Sort of do a bit of mapping, look at the mkgmap issues, read up, tinker, run the img making process, download, check out the result on the Garmin and repeat. The idea is to publish a img on a bushwalking site and get feedback. This I figure, or hope, will encourage more OSM mappers as the big issue I have found is unless people can use the OSM data they lose interest. Also the high number of Garmin GPSs within bushwalking means that they have already the basic tool. OSM Australia website would be a great place to put up maps but its updates appear to be erratic at times and from what I gather it already is getting many hits so might be overloaded and contour img files are much bigger than standard OSM only data files. Plus with all our work the data files are just getting bigger. On the iPhone front I have been chatting to MapswithMe about bushwalking maps for their App. They of the current crop of OSM based Apps have by far the best rendering and use vector files so overcome the huge download of tiles issue that many other map Apps use. Mud Map 2 is the only other App that I have found that uses vector maps but their rendering is not as good (no polygons rendered) but they are making progress. Given the size of contour lines and the fact they do not change then both Apps will likely need to split OSM data for frequent downloads to capture updates and for contour data use large or sectional downloads. Bit like using Contour Australia 5M as a base layer on Garmins. Though the result of combining contours with the OSM data looks better, at least on my Garmin. Big issue I find is on the websites you see very nice screen shots on Garmins but I have not even gone close to achieving this, but the fellow list member has found type files and I will be checking out his work today. Like anything in OSM is a long and challenging journey but if we can get it right then the rewards will be worth it. Cheers Brett Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:39:37 +0100 From: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Making Garmin IMG for Bushwalking - Insanity starts Brett Russell wrote: Ok the first step is getting the OSM data. I am aware that http://download.geofabrik.de/ provides .pbf files but for Australia it is 145MB. Bit much of a download for a mobile phone given that I am looking to update Tassie every week So does anyone know where I will find a site to download a pdf format file for Tassie and more importantly how to do this. I suspect that the sub-regions that got added at http://download.geofabrik.de/ got added because someone asked for them, so you could always try that! Failing that someone who's not on a mobile phone connection would need to download the .pbf for Australia and then split it with Osmosis (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis). Given the shape of the state boundaries I'd have thought that simple lat/long based splitting would work, with only Vic/NSW/ACT being at all complicated. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Who to create a OSM Wikipedia information page
Hi All Thanks to the enormous efforts and patience of a mailing list member, I am gradually battling through the process of creating img files for Garmin on a Windows machine. The process ironically is easier on a Unix cmd style interface as many things work without battling Window style differences, but for better and more likely worse Windows is my operating system as that is what matches my work environment. Also many people use it. Given that I can find no clear guides to creating Garmin img files using Windows machines I would like to document the process and put up a Wikipedia entry on the process. I am not sure how to do this and would like a few pointers such as login and editors to use, and even confirmation that it is possible. I would like to do it now as nothing like writing instructions before you become familiar and start assuming and abstracting away things plus steps that once made your life difficult. Anyway, as usual, any help and pointers would be appreciated. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Disconnected ways, almost connected nodes and crossing ways - user goldfishxyz
Hi All you can do us try to contact the user and clean the map up meantime. As a mapper I appreciate been contacted to improve my work. Generally active mappers will respond to contact but to many the internal email system of OSM is mystery to them. I tried contacting a few but most do not respond. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 15/07/2013, at 5:22 PM, Stephen Backway stev...@email.com wrote: Hello, I have been monitoring one of Geofabrik's quality assurance sites and fixing errors (if appropriate) etc: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routinglon=146.39491lat=-36.03879zoom=6 About a month ago I had the state of Victoria almost cleaned up, with only some issues in Melbourne shown on the map (a lot of these are false positives, and take a while to get through). However recently I have noticed new errors appearing, in the form of disconnected ways, ways that just end short and also crossing ways (when there should be a node). These have been made by the user goldfishxyz, I have tried to contact this user directly via the openstreetmap messaging system, but have not had a response (the user is still creating more errorneous edits). So goldfishxyz are you on this mailing list? What other action should I be taking? Since noticing the new edits, I have fixed a few, but left the majority there so I can highlight them to this user. I don't really want to continue to clean the map, I would prefer to educate the person so they know of the issue. Regards, Stephen (OSM user steve91) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Taking OSM to the Garmin
Hi All Thanks to a fellow mailing list member my knowledge base on converting OSM to Garmin IMG gradually growing. Trouble I been Windows based means even simple things like reading the type file is made hard until you wake up that Windows default Notepad is useless as it does not understand line feeds. It is interesting to see the native line and POI styles in the Garmin. Also the elaborate map rendering programs that appear to be designed for raster based solutions. Anyway I get the feeling that there might be enough line types for say 4wd maps. Also found using the profile feature of the Garmins can easily swap between maps so no reason not to have a series if maps optimized for your activity. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 03/07/2013, at 6:33 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Brett, pretty nicely put, agree unreservedly ! Might add though, while we all see lots to do, OSM is already an incredibly useful thing. I am currently travelling from Central Victoria to Far North Queensland and relying on OSM pretty much exclusively. I'll be hitting some interesting dirt roads and feel confident that I'll be fine! Where I am heading was not mapped on either OSM or Google but I could quite easily get some approximation in to OSM via Bing and will refine it when I am there. How good is that ? David On 03/07/13 18:16, Brett Russell wrote: Hi As a newcomer to OSM one of the more challenging things is finding the universally accepted tagging and more importantly for me the rendering in both the website map and Garmin maps. It is one of the niggles that say with natural=water and with categorizing further to water=lake or water=dam, or water=tarn etc that JOSM brings them up as errors. I quite like the sub category approach as a render has a choice how far they go down to without having huge statements to cover potentially infinite number of classifications. More than happy for most uses natural=water is good enough but be great for some to identify natural lakes and lakes that are reservoirs. I did read an interesting thread debating the design of maps and given the huge potential number of users I think it not unreasonable to have different rendering for road, 4WD, bushwalkers, kayakers, etc. It would be great that an approach could be agreed that say sealed versus unsealed (happy with unpaved) could exist and for the 4WD brigade a sublevel of cars, high ground clearance 2WD, and so on could be used. Bit like the rendering of rivers. For most people river and stream with the option of intermittent is perfectly ok but for a kayaker use to rivers graded by difficulty a sub category and a rendering option would be ideal. Heck, even Polatch 2 does not have natural=peak as a preset yet Polatch 1 did. Given the non centralized nature of OSM maybe the above is a pipe dream but I for one would be happy to invest the time in creating Garmin and web based tile maps optimized for bushwalking. I am sure that if a render was a 4WD enthusiast then standard tagging backed up by Garmin maps (plus printable or web based tiles) would be quickly done. I just find extracting how-to guides to rendering rather cryptic and missing vital steps. Anyway like anything in OSM if I do not like it then it is up to me to map it or come-up with a solution. For me one of the great sites is the OSM Australia as it cookie cuts some reasonable Garmin maps. Be great if we could build on that. As I hold, unless a tag is rendered then it is more academic than practical. Just my two point five cents worth. Cheers Brett Russell Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:32:34 +1000 From: dban...@internode.on.net To: stevag...@gmail.com CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] surface=unsealed in 4wd/dirt road tagging On 03/07/13 08:52, Steve Bennett wrote: FYI, the map style I'm working on for cycle touring does make this distinction: http://emscycletours.site44.com/map2.html#egrt Nice work ! You might be right - but on a technical front, it's no more burdensome to show all of [unsealed, unpaved, gravel, dirt] as a dashed line rather than just, say, unpaved. Steve Are you rendering that with Mapnik ? I planned to do something similar to show the Guardians of the Slippery Map how cool it was but found it non trivial and have not had time to get back to it. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Making Garmin IMG for Bushwalking - Insanity starts
Hi In the wonderful vague world that is OSM I am attempting to make maps for my Garmin 62s optimized for bushwalking. I have raised this issue a few time but not much luck but decided to be pig headed and not let this beat me as more than a few people have become enthusiast about OSM only to become disillusion when they actually try to use it in the bush. We have the excellent site OSM Australia that for vehicle users generates very sensibly sized IMG for each state. I use their routeable maps on the Garmin 62s and the 2Km minor roads ones on my Fenix and have for a friend loaded them on his Extrex 10. But they do not have contours. I have obtained and loaded on more than a few Garmins the Contour Australia 5M. Then I overlay the IMG from OSM Australia but frankly this is a clumsy solution for many people as the OSM Australian site IMG have poor zoom level set for bushwalkers and you do not get colour coded elevation shading. So I have been reading up on mkgmap and struck as usual the standard array of Wikipedia entries that go around in circles with the reader needing to make numerous assumptions and follow links and at the end of this maze either given up or some how figure out what needs to happen. Then I stumbled across http://thebird.nl/tutorials/osm_garmin.html, that while for Linux, explains the concepts so light has started to dawn. My biggest issue is I use Telstra's mobile phone network to connect to the internet and this means very expensive data costs. So I am rather keen to minimize downloads. Ideally if the project works I would not mind if OSM Australia could generate the maps but first I need to workout how to do it myself and get others to use them before troubling the site owner. Ok the first step is getting the OSM data. I am aware that http://download.geofabrik.de/ provides .pbf files but for Australia it is 145MB. Bit much of a download for a mobile phone given that I am looking to update Tassie every week or so as I am still madly mapping under the name Ent. So step one is, getting .pbf files for just Tassie to begin with. I cannot find anything that will do this. I am aware that OSM will export small sections in an alternative format but will not do the whole state. The reason for the whole state is about about every second weekend I can be walking anywhere in Tassie so would like to have all the state loaded so I can test it out with worrying about getting the exact section right as plans change often when we get in the car. So does anyone know where I will find a site to download a pdf format file for Tassie and more importantly how to do this. Thanks in advance. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector
Hi Ian Thanks for that. I deleted the old one as it had intersecting nodes that defied any effort to remove. Also decided to be rather more precise with the Bing tracing. So patience is the key. Um? Not my strong point but will give it a shot. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 26/06/2013, at 3:19 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Well OSMI takes a while to update sometimes. However the history of the relations tells us that the ways that made up the original relation were deleted, new ways were created and added to a new relation. This left an empty relation. The existing relation may or may not have had a bad geometry, I'm not going to bother checking it, but the new one you have created appears perfectly fine. In terms of mapping style, I guess that you removed the old ways that made up the original relation in order to improve on them. However, that left an empty relation. Empty relations are very easy to lose track of because they have no location information left in them. Personally I think there should be a warning as you are removing the last object from a relation, because it isn't something you really want to do. Ian. On 26 June 2013 15:02, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Ian Thanks for looking at this. Err, I not to sure what I am looking for as this is the first time I have seen changesets. One strange thing though. In Polatch 2 the lake is no longer coloured blue like other lakes. Is this a side effect of having an island? Cheers Brett From: inas66+...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:51:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Hi Brett, The relation it appears OSMI is complaining about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3007272/history The relation that appears is there now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3018458/history Ian. On 26 June 2013 12:26, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi I have been having a look at OSM Inspector and noticed an error it picked up in my mapping. It is Lake Picone in Tasmania and has an island in it so done as a multipolygon relationship. Can some familiar with mapping such things have a look at it and let me know what I should be doing. Much appreciated any help to improve my mapping. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector
Hi Good find and explains the issue in nutshell re the lack of Polatch 2 rendering. The curse of OSM strikes again. By that very gifted and dedicated volunteers with somewhat different ideas and lack of a process to standardise things. While I am attracted to the pursuit of perfection sometimes it can tyrannical to getting things done. O'well as long as it is rendered in mkgmaps I will be happy, if a little confused at times. Cheers Brett Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:25:44 +0100 From: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector Brett Russell wrote: One strange thing though. In Polatch 2 the lake is no longer coloured blue like other lakes. Is this a side effect of having an island? Not sure if its related, but see this message from Richard (the Potlatch author) about a lake a few thousand KM away: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/potlatch-dev/2013-June/001994.html Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] JOSM Plugins
Hi I am gradually coming up to speed with JOSM but left with the strong impression why do things have to be so vague with the instructions? A classic example is I believe that Scanaerial could be ideal for speeding up my adding of small bodies of water but the instructions are, well, useless on how to install it. So I read the instructions on installing plugins. As it needs ExtTools I went to install that plugin. Yeap followed the instructions but where the heck does the box appear, and how do I make it appear? The status report confirms that I have installed it. As for the rest of the installation I am lost. Not helped by google searches that brought up a site that led me to installing useful tools that then got busted by my virus checker and another site came up as potentially harmful. Yeap our Russian friends are up to their usual scamming. I understand command line commands but this half command line and graphic install process has me totally confused and Wiki on OSM appears to have more contradictions than our current federal politics. What is so hard about writing simple installation steps? So can someone please help me with installing Scanaerial and even something as simple as, yes it is worth the effort to learn, or it is a great idea but has more holes than Swiss cheese. Thanks you again for your help into my voyage into geekdom. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Using OSM Inspector
Hi I have been having a look at OSM Inspector and noticed an error it picked up in my mapping. It is Lake Picone in Tasmania and has an island in it so done as a multipolygon relationship. Can some familiar with mapping such things have a look at it and let me know what I should be doing. Much appreciated any help to improve my mapping. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector
Hi Ian Thanks for looking at this. Err, I not to sure what I am looking for as this is the first time I have seen changesets. One strange thing though. In Polatch 2 the lake is no longer coloured blue like other lakes. Is this a side effect of having an island? Cheers Brett From: inas66+...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:51:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Hi Brett, The relation it appears OSMI is complaining about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3007272/history The relation that appears is there now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3018458/history Ian. On 26 June 2013 12:26, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi I have been having a look at OSM Inspector and noticed an error it picked up in my mapping. It is Lake Picone in Tasmania and has an island in it so done as a multipolygon relationship. Can some familiar with mapping such things have a look at it and let me know what I should be doing. Much appreciated any help to improve my mapping. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM uploads past 2000 points
Hi Ross Thanks for the info. I will give it a shot and look for the node count. I have when creating a way found hovering back over it down the bottom of the screen it will tell me the nodes used. What I have found if I create a way of say 1500 nodes and upload, then create another way of say the same number of nodes, and then upload and finally then create a multipolygon relationship and tag the properties and upload all works well. But if I do it in one step and then upload I strike the mentioned problem. My worry is multiple uploads as they are a pain to find, edit and or remove. Just want to keep OSM data a clean as possible and not corrupt the database. From memory moving a large multipolygon lake in JOSM creates a similar problem. So I align lakes in Polatch 2 and all works well. Finding JOSM very powerful but still very much a newbie with it. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 25/06/2013, at 1:25 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Hi I am all to aware of the 2000 node limit with OSM but when using JOSM to create lakes as multipolygons from multiple ways it is easier to create the ways, link them a multipolygon relationship, tag properties and upload. JOSM then creates a change set and gives five tries and fails so if you hit upload again it tries again. Strangely if I use Polatch 2 to check I nearly always find the lake is added to OSM. On at least one occasion JOSM uploaded the lake more than once. In fact five times. I have to exit JOSM and restart it to avoid the changeset wanting to endlessly upload, Rather than restarting josm: Upload-Changesets-Upload to a new Changeset The old changeset will time out and you can upload to new changeset(s) from there on. Has anyone else experienced this issue. Reading on the web suggests this is a common problem with some claiming a configuration setting in JOSM can eliminate this issue. Don't know about a config setting but if you have the Selection panel open on the right hand side of the window, then select the object it will tell you how many nodes are used by it. It is then a simple matter to split (Tools-Split Way) the way into two (or more) pieces. If its a loop way then select two (or more) nodes on opposite sides and then split it. If you do the split after adding all the tags or creating the multipolygon they are copied to the new way. Cheers Ross As usual any help would be appreciated as you can imagine it is frustrating when mapping large lakes. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them
Hi Steve The major deficiency with OSM on Garmins is the lost of critical bushwalking relevant details as you zoom out. In a city environment losing highway=path and foot=designated ways makes sense to remove clutter as major roads are more important on the limited screen space. But such charting logic fails badly in the bush where tracks need to hold in at high level zooms as does mountains and huts. Often there is not a major roads for twenty or more kilometres. I would like to work with OSM-Australia website to add the creation of bushwalking optimized img files for Garmins that has tracks elevated up the zoom pecking order along with mountains and huts. Similar to the bike, minor road map, and streets with no names sets. I believe that the scripts that make Garmin img files can be tweaked to do the rendering enhancements, but by all accounts not easy to understand but I am willing to give it a bash as an old Unix programmer. One of the advantages of routable track maps is the ability to measure the actual distance between destinations. I used a Garmin Rino 650 to calculate the distance and then measured the distance covered using my Garmin Fenix. Due to the limited number of points on the track the calculated distances were generally ten to twenty percent shorter than measured distance but still vastly better than the straight line distance. This means I link huts and other infrastructure into the tracks via paths. One thing I encountered myself, along with more than a few other walkers, is the very poor quality of commercial Garmin maps for bushwalking with Garmin Topo maps not even having the Overland Track marked! Memory Map is a raster mapping system using Tasmap but the maps are often poorly scanned and many thirty years out of date. Also the peaks are in the wrong place on Garmin maps and even with wrong names! OSM mapping has given me the ability to build quality maps, and more importantly correct or add details. As for allocating properties to objects such as huts OSM is rather, well, OSM. In Polatch 2 they have a nice icon for alpine-hut which is driven by tourism=alpine_hut tag. I came from the Polatch 2 introduction so stuck with that. It appears to hold in well for Garmin zoom levels but not brilliant. Mudmap 2 I found thanks to Li feedback gives the ability to select three POI to hold at all zoom levels. Peaks, huts and campsite appear to work well. When back from my walk I read up on the definition of alpine hut and the OLT huts are a reasonable fit as they are occupied by rangers or volunteers in the walking season but most huts in Tassie are not. So I could accept that alpine hut was intended for more luxurious accommodation. At the end of the day what is rendered is important as numerous tags crop in OSM that are not rendered. In a way wars over tagging is rather meaningless unless the tags are rendered. My pet hate is fell and scree. Fell, as this means easy walking and camping while scree meaning challenging walking and no camping. Neither are rendered in Garmin maps but are tags recognized by JOSM so rather hollow terms. Polatch 2 does not even recognize natural-peak. The rendering is critical as most bushwalking Garmins have small low resolution screens. As for the website rendering I am reasonably happy with peaks and alpine-hut zoom rendering levels as I accept that OSM is more street based. The ideal solution is profiles that govern zoom detail as not one set of rules meets all requirements. Locality is an interesting tag. Pelion for example covers an area from the Rangers Hut to Old Pelion Hut. It is better to have all identified than a single place=Pelion in order to navigate to in white-out conditions. It was interesting watching two non OSM mappers using the OSM maps that I downloaded to their devices. The hated that important bushwalkings features disappeared at higher zoom levels and on an Extrex 10 they had to zoom in to 200 metres to find the tracks so got lost in the trees when in a forest. Also the POI searches were strange. My Rino on search would suddenly after two letters decide that I was going to say Penguin than Pelion. They both commented that with minor tweaking OSM for Garmins would be a very useful tool. One is now madly mapping the Penguin to Cradle Trail and become a fan of OSM mapping. So my interest is maps on Garmin devices. The beauty of img files is it does not take too much geek power to get most Garmins working with OSM. Even my Fenix watch has OSM maps. Cheers Brett Russell Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:55:02 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them From: stevag...@gmail.com To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: I used OSM on a nine day Overland Track Wall and found it very good with the Garmins that I was using. Used
Re: [talk-au] Two cycling maps I made
Hi Steve Looks great. Nice to see the output from a lot of mapping effort by everyone in the Melbourne/Victoria area. Only thing I have noticed is on the http://emscycletours.site44.com/map2.html the wording for the Great Divide Rail Trail appears twice, super imposed over each other. Might be that the tittle is rendered twice? Cheers Brett Russell Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:31:07 +1000 From: stevag...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Two cycling maps I made Hi all, Thought you might be interested to see to see two cycling maps I've made with TileMill and OSM data: 1) Bike map of Melbourne. It really highlights the major bike routes. The Capital City Trail is shown as a pattern of yellow dots. http://emscycletours.site44.com/map.html 2) Cycle touring map of Victoria and rail trails. Villages/hamlets are only shown if they have at least one pub/cafe/restaurant/bakery/supermarket/convenience store within a 5km radius. The size of the purple circle shows how many of those amenities are present. http://emscycletours.site44.com/map2.html Happy to answer any questions about them. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] MudMap 2 report back
Hi I have been playing with MudMap 2 and frankly the important feature for a OSM mapper, the ability to upload GPX files, is terrible. MudMap are mad keen that you use their server. First the send, sends the GPX file to their server with a default public setting. Then you have to go to their server to send it, say to yourself, which then after typing in an email address it send you an email that again requires you to again visit their server to download a GPX format that is downloaded as a GPX.XLM format so not recognised by Garmin's Bsecamp!! In all the most idiotic process that could be dreamed up. Net result is I have not even the ability to comment on the tracking ability of my plot except to say that it almost flattened my iPhone 4S in two and bit hours. The critical for bushwalkers features such as lakes and mountains do not appear. Sure the application is still in development so I can forgive this but the terrible ability to extract a GPX file suggests a form of thinking that I can not abide, that being forcing users to their site. Are we to see fees being charged for this service down the track? Not recommended. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 LAUNCESTON Tas 7250 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them
Hi I am now starting work on rivers and streams but would like some guidance on dealing with rivers that have dams on them. A good example is the Forth River in Tasmania. I have started building up the river banks as it can be quite wide using the polygon tagged riverbank and had no issues as yet. But what do I do with hydro lakes? I have read that some OSM mappers do not like the river running through the lake and prefer it to stop and start it at the lake. Must admit that I struggle to know when a river stops and lake starts when working from Bing. Also, water may go a little distance in an underground pipe so you get a gap from the dam wall to the outflow from the power station. I assume we map what we see from Bing? As usual, any guidance would be appreciated to improve my mapping quality. I used OSM on a nine day Overland Track Wall and found it very good with the Garmins that I was using. Used the routable maps and found they were about a one kilometre in ten understated on distance due to fewer nodes recorded in OSM compared to the distance tracked by the GPSs. Still very impressive compared to the expensive and poor quality Garmin maps. Need to work with someone to get OSM bushwalking maps going as walking tracks, mountains and huts need to be zoomed in a long way to see thus you get “lost” in the trees finding them. Also the search feature on the Garmin can be rather “broken”, by that items do not appear in the all POI lists but can be found in sub lists. Bit more work needed by my to refine the tracks and the features but gradually working my way south to north refining the track. Mud Map 2 looks promising but sadly it does not render lakes and mountains being optimised for 4WD tracks. It is better suited to the 4WD users than bushwalkers at the moment but I do hope that they continue its development to cover bushwalkers. It would be great to combine Contour Australia 5M with OSM data into one img file rather than having both OSM and Contour Australia 5M maps enabled. Especially useful for Garmin Basecamp on the computer as you either have OSM or Contours Australia 5 showing. Also for drawing in rivers and streams it would be good in JOSM to have Contours Australia as a data layer so I can deal with rivers and streams that run under forest cover. As usual again any help greatly appeciated. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Help checking out huts on the Overland Track
The update cycle can be erratic. Normally a day or two behind but a bit late this time. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 01/06/2013, at 10:09 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: On 01/06/2013, at 4:44 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: Last I looked the osm Australia download was months old. I used OSM Australia for my recent trip to the Northern Territory, and all my recent edits from Bing Imagery were present. Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Help checking out huts on the Overland Track
Hi I am currently on the Overland Track I noticed that Pine Valley Hut and New Pellion Hut are not showing up. Someone has been changing alpine huts to shelters. Can someone check this out for me and confirm that they ate not engaged in edit wars. Much appreciated. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Help checking out huts on the Overland Track
Hi Thanks for that. Must be the changes are not reflected in the OSM Australia download that I did two days ago. Normally Alpine Hut shows up. In my Garmin file it is showing as a shelter so you need to be down at less than 50 metres for it to show. Alpine huts hang in for 2km from memory. Actually would not mind working with someone to put up a bushwalking specific img so mountains and foot designated paths hang in. Oh and I be Ent. Mapped the area out in detail for our nine day walk. Once again thanks for the prompt response, much appreciated. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 01/06/2013, at 2:38 PM, Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brett, Can you be a little more specific. What is your OSM id? The Pine Valley Hut used to be amenity=hut, and now is tourism=alpine_hut. I can't imagine the latter will show up. It was changed by user=Ent on the 22nd of May, but no other changes for years.. Ian. On 1 June 2013 14:28, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Pine Valley Hut ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia licence change redaction recovery..
Yes thanks to all. Great to see the connecting roads reinstated and the routing largely back in action. Still a lot of minor roads missing with weird nodes scattered around but no great problem cleaning up. As more a bushwalker I mainly concentrate on tracks and geographical features but wonderful that the road infrastructure is nearly always there to connect into. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 27/05/2013, at 11:07 AM, Ben Johnson tangarar...@gmail.com wrote: Ian, Thanks very much for doing this exercise. I agree with all the sentiments already expressed - it's so encouraging to see we bounced back so fast, and so strong, and that all our efforts have made a difference. Everyone in the project should feel very proud of what we achieved. BJ On 25/05/2013, at 9:08 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: I crunched some numbers comparing AU planet extracts from today and prior to the redaction commencing. Although they were for my personal edification, I thought I'd share them. We have about 70,000 km of additional mapped unclassified and residential road now than we did before the redaction process - that is an increase in distance of about 27%. In terms of distance of named roads in this category, we're about where we were before the redaction in absolute terms. Trunk and motorways there is no significant variation. The number of kilometres of mapped road and named roads in this category is roughly unchanged. In primary, secondary, and tertiary, we've had an increase in mapped distance of 35,000km, or around 20%. Although we've seen a significant decrease in the number of secondary roads, and marked increase in the mapped km of tertiary roads. Our post-redaction remappers have a tendency towards tertiary roads, it would seem. Our length of named roads in this category is up in actual kilometres, but down on a relative basis. In paths, tracks, footways and cycleways and service roads our mapped distance is also up, We've seen huge increases in mapped tracks - closing on double what we had before. So, my summary would be that we've probably comprehensively remapped he motorways and trunk roads across the country. We've got significantly more tracks, paths and residential/unclassified roads than we had before. There would seem to be artifacts of extensive aerial remapping, with the lower percentage overall of named roads, and what I'm thinking could be a consequent tendency to underrate what passes for a secondary road in Australia. I'd also attribute greater mapping outside of urban areas to the more extensive bing imagery coverage, and possibly the focus of the redaction process on urban areas. Of course, this is all quantitative data, not qualitative. Take it for what it is. My summary is just a guess, and I can't say with any certainty that the increase in distance isn't just fence posts on the Kimberley! Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government
Hi All As a mad mapper I have been following this debate with interest. I own one of the fast graders. By that a standard family sedan setup for road performance so understand that not all gravel roads are equal. I bushwalk and the access to the walk governs the vehicle we take. I would support a classification system that enables people to identify, car gravel roads, high suspension gravel roads, 4WD gravel roads and extreme 4WD roads at least. A scale 1 to 10 has an attraction with renders choosing if they render 1-3, 4-7, and say 8-10 as different lines but understand that there are only so many line types that can be dreamed up. For me at the end of the day it is what my Garmin can show and not sure on its rendering limitations. Anyway good debate and one that has brought a question to my mind. How and who votes on what is the method to adopt? I can fully understand that a city mapper might be very interested in defining a subway rendering while for a country mapper vehicle and walking tracks are the critical items. I would hate to think that one group would win at the disadvantage of another. Also rather aware as a member of a bushwalking forum that many people just want their ideas to win rather than the best practical solution. All I want is to be able to map the best that I can given the limitations on rendering. I must admit I have struggled with OSM definitations with something a simple as mapping a large lake causing confusion with me. One Google search had me ready to use coastline until another mentioned multipolygons. Ok maybe I am slow but it took me a lot of head banging to understand mulitpolygons and in a way was forced into using JOSM rather than Polatch. I would like to see a simple sandpit of OSM where the preferred ways are used so I can repeat the methods. To understand multipolygon lakes I picked on the big USA lakes to see how they were done to get an understanding and also received great help from the OSM community. It is a pity that some of the online help is rather abstract or missing logical steps. Though having written that I understand that it is a huge volunteer effort so grateful to those that have contributed to the help project. Anyway how do we get the process rolling and more importantly an understanding if all the effort can actually be rendered on the most common mapping GPS types. Cheers Brett Russell Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:48:21 +1000 From: dban...@internode.on.net To: kristy.vanput...@gmail.com CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government Kristy, you have spotted the problem, no clear acceptance of any one standard when it comes to 4wd tracks. And while its being done a number of different ways (or not done at all) we have little chance of getting the rendering people to listen to us. In western Europe, little interest, complete lack of understanding of the need. The US does have some great 4wd tracks but they are more recreational in nature, you go somewhere, drive a great track and then go home. They also don't understand our model of using these tracks to get to somewhere really interesting ! Asia, (far) eastern Europe, get it but don't seem to want to support the ideas. I believe (strongly) we need a multi level tag that indicates a track is somewhere between a bit dodgy right through to Oh wow. That, by its very nature means its subjective, you and I might well disagree with at what stage a typical SUV and inexperienced driver should be warned off. We cannot help that, 4wds are all different, drivers are different in their skills and willingness to take risks. The 4wd_only tag is 'official' and was a good try. But not used very much outside of Oz. And its a yes/no and life is never a yes/no situation. Further, so much OSM data ends up in a psql database, one column per tag. Believe it or not, psql does not like having column names start with numerals. It can be worked around but I suspect that's one reason mapnik (or more correctly, its slippery map) won't show 4wd_only. I prefer an extension to the tracktype= tag, its already widely used internationally and, somewhat, rendered on the slippery map. We can add three more levels to it (grade6, grade7, grade8) being possibly not suitable for conventional car, 4wd stuff and 4wd extreme. I currently use both 4wd_only= and tracktype= But I would support any new, sufficiently flexible proposal. I don't really this a physical meet up is necessary, be surprised if we could agree on a convienant location ! David . Kristy Van Putten kristy.vanput...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Matt, I think your conclusions is right, that we need to put an Australian standard together. It sounds like the ground work has been done (maybe even multiple times) but there has not been a clear acceptance of any particular schema. How do you think we should go
Re: [talk-au] Offline OSM vector map engine for iOS
Hi I for one am interested as being forced to use Vector style maps on the iPhone is just to bandwidth hungry even though the iPhone might have enough memory. Be good as OSM is constantly changing. Count me in. Cheers Brett Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:00:16 +1000 From: lisxia1...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Offline OSM vector map engine for iOS Gday mappers, I'm Li from Mud Map. We've just launched Mud Map 2, an iOS app that includes a OSM based vector map engine that works completely offline. It's been developed with a focus on outdoor recreational use, for example 4WDing, touring, hiking etc. Being vector, map data is fairly compact in size so the app has the whole of Australia. If you are interested in trying out Mud Map 2, I have a few promo codes here to give out. Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] JOSM and OSM reliability!
Hi As a few might have noticed I have been experimenting with JOSM to deal with mutlipolygon relationships. Ok JOSM is frustratingly different to use than Polatch but it has many nicer things so I have bitten the bullet but are now experienced another round of problems. I was contacted by an OSM administrator and informed that I had loaded up multiple overlapping ways. I checked in Polatch and sure enough at least four overlays and to add to my increasing frustration levels when I deleted them in Polatch my computer freezes and eventually Polatch tells me it can not do this with and error message of failed update. It appears that OSM can only handle simple edits and once the number of points exceeds 2000 it fails over corrupting OSM database. In all very frustrating as I do more complex mapping task. Does make me wonder am I doing something wrong or is this typical OSM flakey behaviour? Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM and OSM reliability!
The person that contacted me was pnorman. What I was doing was creating Lake Myrtle as multiple ways under the 2000 point limit and joining them as a multipolygons, checking that it worked in JOSM and then uploading the changes. Around 3000 points split into three or four ways. Also, if I am in mad edit mode and forget to upload frequently in JOSM and exceed the 2000 node limits over multiple creation of lakes I then get the try five times error message. I shut down JOSM to avoid the same thing but have notice in Polatch the new items are added. Also I discovered OSM Inspector but that takes for ever to update but was handy fixing a few mistakes I and others made. Noticed in JOSM even once you correct the problem it still shows up as an error. But on a whole JOSM is a better editor and my volume of work has increased as a result. As a bushwalker I am madly mapping lakes and when they say the land of a thousand lakes they were not kidding! Cheers Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:25:33 +0200 From: si...@poole.ch To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] JOSM and OSM reliability! Brett Who was this OSM administrator that contacted you? In any case there is a hard limit of 2000 nodes per way in the API (for all editors) , there is no reason that hitting is this should cause corruption though (your data might not make a lot of sense, but that is not the same as database corruption) and in general you would break any such object in to multiple ways before you reached the limit (if it is a polygon you would add the individual pieces then to the MP relation). Handling large objects is tedious in any current OSM editor however right now JOSM is the only viable choice for such edits so you are on the right track there. Simon Am 30.04.2013 08:47, schrieb Brett Russell: Hi As a few might have noticed I have been experimenting with JOSM to deal with mutlipolygon relationships. Ok JOSM is frustratingly different to use than Polatch but it has many nicer things so I have bitten the bullet but are now experienced another round of problems. I was contacted by an OSM administrator and informed that I had loaded up multiple overlapping ways. I checked in Polatch and sure enough at least four overlays and to add to my increasing frustration levels when I deleted them in Polatch my computer freezes and eventually Polatch tells me it can not do this with and error message of failed update. It appears that OSM can only handle simple edits and once the number of points exceeds 2000 it fails over corrupting OSM database. In all very frustrating as I do more complex mapping task. Does make me wonder am I doing something wrong or is this typical OSM flakey behaviour? Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using multipolygon to create large lake
Hi Michael Much appreciated. I found though the lake was not rendered but then refreshing and zooming in and out it did come up so the rendering is a little suspect, might be due to Telstra's 3G network issues or the use of Firefox. It appears once again I have fallen foul of Polatch 2 limitations as the relationship editor brings up a very basic menu as what you describe on the relationship attributes does not appear. Frustratingly it shows the lake option but when you select the drop down box it is not an option so once again Polatch 2 crashes and burns as it does with adding peaks forcing the use of the advanced option, which by the looks of it does not exist for relationships. Ok looks like I need to transition to JOSM. Err, how do you even move around it? I once attempted to use it but found it about as friendly as a dog with rabies. O'well yet another piece of software to learn that has its own unique ways of doing simple things like moving around the screen! Might be a good time to find the bottle of scotch and head to bed. But anyway thanks for the help, muchly appreciated along with the hints. And yes I do need to use JOSM as my editor but not tonight as my head hurts. Cheers Brett Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:57:25 +0200 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using multipolygon to create large lake From: ohr...@gmail.com To: brussell...@live.com.au; talk-au@openstreetmap.org Hi Brett, 2013/4/23 Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au I have wasted an entire afternoon working on Lake St Clair in Tasmania by using multipolygon relationship to map Lake St Clair. It is a big lake so to get any reasonable detail blows the 2000 point limit of OSM by using a simple polygon. I have reached the point it will become a square of four points and renamed Lake OSM of despair. Annoyingly I was going well at it but then the wheels fell off. I am using Polatch 2 and slowy being going mad as Bing has poor coverage of the area, the rendering takes forever, and driving me up the wall this is my first attempt at using this technique so no idea of it is me, or the every unreliable OSM rendering servers that flunk out on any decent mapping effort. I get lovely squares of missing Bing photo that force save and view then edit. The refresh option takes me to any zoom level that it thinks best to make me insane. Sufficient to say OSM help is about up to the usual poor standard. Polatch does nothing to help to find if you have broken links around the lake and I have been around the lake so many times hunting for such things that sanity and temper is at overload settings. I have the usual OSM issue of half the world saying use coastline on large lakes and the other half saving no, use multipolygons. Large in this context means something like the Great Lakes in the US. You wouldn't want to use coastline for the Lake St Clair. One of the key drawbacks of using coastline is how long it takes the changes to be rendered. So I would always use multipolygons whenever possible. As you may have gathered by my words OSM's and Bing's failures have made this a nightmare of a place to map and almost broken my interest in mapping in OSM. And to top it off my mega expensive Asus laptop is as flakey as ever with even a blue screen of death. If another programs demands an update I will take extremely prejudiced action against the nearest programmer that I can find!!! Can someone please look at the Lake St Clair and tell me what on earth is the issue. Please consider it an act of kindness or the provision of mental health service. Just did so and it renders fine again. As I'm using JOSM I can't really comment on the problems you've experienced with Potlach. The changes I had to make were all about tagging. So the natural=water etc. should go on the relation, not the individual ways. (I guess JOSM would otherwise complain about using an area tag on a non-closed way or so). Also the role for the ways had been set to Lake St Clair but should rather be outer. This I also only found since JOSM complained about it. Bye, Michael ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects?
Hi I am working my way around the State and noticed a few edits to tracks that I have put in. The history function option in Polatch 2 is annoying as it gets swamped with global changes. All I want to do is select an object and have the history of changes showing and more importantly who is doing them. Is there a way of doing this? Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects?
Hi Leon Brilliant. Just what I was after. Now to work on mapping large lakes using multipolygon relationships to overcome the 2000 point maximum number of nodes. Think I am gradually winning on that with Lake Ina test! Cheers Brett Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:25:08 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects? From: lker...@gmail.com To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org You can select the object in Potlatch 2, go to advanced view and click the objects id number at the top of the panel. That will give you a history of that object only. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi I am working my way around the State and noticed a few edits to tracks that I have put in. The history function option in Polatch 2 is annoying as it gets swamped with global changes. All I want to do is select an object and have the history of changes showing and more importantly who is doing them. Is there a way of doing this? Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects?
Hi Leon Not been near the Great Lake so must be someone else. Working on Lake St Clair after I think I have succeeded on Lake Ina as a test using multipolygon to define the shore. It looks ok in OSM but the test will be how it converts to Garmin format and displays on my 62S. Cheers Brett Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:10:17 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects? From: lker...@gmail.com To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Ah hah, so it probably me you were looking for in the first place then. :-p I noticed Great Lake had vanished in Tassie and returned it back to a normal poly the other day. I'll leave it alone now since your playing with it. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Leon Brilliant. Just what I was after. Now to work on mapping large lakes using multipolygon relationships to overcome the 2000 point maximum number of nodes. Think I am gradually winning on that with Lake Ina test! Cheers Brett Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:25:08 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects? From: lker...@gmail.com To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org You can select the object in Potlatch 2, go to advanced view and click the objects id number at the top of the panel. That will give you a history of that object only. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi I am working my way around the State and noticed a few edits to tracks that I have put in. The history function option in Polatch 2 is annoying as it gets swamped with global changes. All I want to do is select an object and have the history of changes showing and more importantly who is doing them. Is there a way of doing this? Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Coastline and beaches
Hi Looking as always to get better at OSM and read up on beaches and coastlines. Noticed that coastlines need care so not inclined to play with them too much but a question on the relationship to a beach. Ideally one side of the beach ends in water so should the beach be linked to the coast line, ie by clicking on each point of reference for the coast lines? I hope so as it means when you adjust one the other will adjust that makes sense. I have added Copper Beach in Tasmania using this approach and linked a walking track to it. Anyway, as always I will be guided by others on this. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Coastline and beaches
Hi Andrew Assuming that I am reading OSM instructions correct the beach is suppose to only extend to the high water mark so the coastline and beach should have a one to one relationship on the water side. But then I have been wrong before with OSM. Cheers From: andrew.harv...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:01:09 +1100 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Coastline and beaches To: brussell...@live.com.au Worth keeping in mind that the natural=coastline is at the mean high water mark, but I would think that the extent of the beach would go out to sea to thte mean low water mark. I haven't necissarily followed this myself all the time, but I think it makes sense. Any other thoughts? On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Looking as always to get better at OSM and read up on beaches and coastlines. Noticed that coastlines need care so not inclined to play with them too much but a question on the relationship to a beach. Ideally one side of the beach ends in water so should the beach be linked to the coast line, ie by clicking on each point of reference for the coast lines? I hope so as it means when you adjust one the other will adjust that makes sense. I have added Copper Beach in Tasmania using this approach and linked a walking track to it. Anyway, as always I will be guided by others on this. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Coastline and beaches
Hi I agree that it makes sense to have the coastline at low tide mark with a tidal zone area before the beach but accept that people's opinions on what is a beach differ. I will stick with the approach that coastline is high water mark but as mentioned how you do this from Bing is hit and miss. But linking the beach water side to the coastline is sensible IMHO. Noticed in one beach a junk coastline segment along with random points left behind from the redaction so bit of cleaning up being done. Good to see that OSM is recovering well from the redaction and would like to improve the quality of the work from my end. But the update by the view server is rather crash prone at the moment and the bicycle one is as slow as ever. Oh, and thanks to the OSM community some very good maps can be used and on the last weekend I followed a track successfully that had been put in by another member. Cheers Brett Russell On 09/01/2013, at 10:55 AM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: On 8 January 2013 20:32, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Assuming that I am reading OSM instructions correct the beach is suppose to only extend to the high water mark so the coastline and beach should have a one to one relationship on the water side. But then I have been wrong before with OSM. I think there is what the wiki says, what the wiki says elsewhere, what is actually done, and what is a good idea :) The coastline page certainly does say that it should extend to the high water mark, and the early coastlines based on PGS data probably had that. Since people started tracing from imagery, I imagine a lot of traced coastline is actually wherever the water was in the imagery rather than the high water mark. If in future we want to map both the low and high water marks, the obvious thing to do would be to use coastline for the low water mark, water=tidal[0] for the middle area, and beach/whatever for everything that's dry. I gave up debating these kind of changes long ago, since people are never going to agree, regardless of the proposal :-\ [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:water%3Dtidal -- James ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] FW: OSM Australia Garmin downloads have gone bung ?
Hi Matt Thanks for the effort. I use the three Tasmanian GPS downloads big time for creating bushwalking maps and using my Garmin 62s for urban and country mapping. Being on a 3G network plan data limits are a pretty major thing for me so by just getting Tassie I can zero in on my area of interest. Thanks Brett Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 19:08:54 +1000 From: mattwh...@iinet.com.au To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] FW: OSM Australia Garmin downloads have gone bung ? Sorry for the delayed response, and the missed emails people have been sending... I sort of dropped out of the OSM thing for a bit there (the whole license thing gave me the shits, so I walked away for a while), but I'm slowly getting back into it. OK, so hopefully the generation is back on it's feet and working again - there is a full set available at the moment, but they were done semi-manually. The automated generation run kicks off tonight, but it seems that parts of the process are now taking longer than they used to, so the new file from tonight's generation probably won't start appearing until 7am Saturday. It's seems to be taking around 6 hours to generate the various maps, then a fair amount of time to upload the 400 Mb of files on my works poor hammered ADSL internet connection (the whole thing is throttled uploads, as I have to let work backup it's data as well at the same time - bring on the NBN). Also, for the moment, I am no longer uploading the individual australia.osm and newzealand.osm files - they are available as single files from Frederick Ramm's site (http://download.geofabrik.de/openstreetmap/australia-oceania/), so I don't see much point in chewing another 400mb upload as well Cheers Matt www.osmaustralia.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] FW: OSM Australia Garmin downloads have gone bung ?
Hi Yes this is crept in. I too have had no reply to an email sent to the contact address. Be great to get this very valuable resource back in action. Does any one know how to contact the site owner? Cheers Brett From: ist...@iinet.net.au To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 20:10:36 +0800 Subject: [talk-au] OSM Australia Garmin downloads have gone bung ? Has anyone else noticed that the nightly Garmin downloads on OSM Australia are now only 22 bytes long ? Anybody know how to contact the site administrator (who has been providing such a valuable service to us all ? (well – to me at least)) regards Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Australia Garmin download update timing and method
Hi I assume that you are using OSM Australia website. Normally i have found it to bet updated every night but once it appeared to miss a night. I thought on the weekend it was a bit late but then released the lake I had traced in was not tagged as a lake. O'well easily fixed when back home. OSM Australia is a brilliant resource and I regularly use it as I only need to download Tassie maps. Sent an email to site owner but no reply so think it is a set and forget process. Anyway my thanks to the site creator. Cheers Brett On 24/09/2012, at 9:17 AM, Steer ist...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have been updating OSM in my suburb, and am getting the feeling that while the Garmin maps on OSM Australia update every night, the changes I make don’t seem to come through for many days. Can someone please explain the process so I know when to start looking for my updates ? thanks very much Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] GPS accuracy
Hi all Interesting discussion and thanks for confirming that WAAS is not an option in Australia so I will switch it off. Subtle details like this get missed in various reviews and also means that USA and now likely European reviews with claims of accruacy need have factored in that WAAS might be enhancing accuracy that will not happen in Australia. Also now better placed to identify inexpert expert sales people. Point taken on absolute accurary considerations with survey marker location. My goal is pratical accuracy. By that, avoiding my GPS complaining with OSM that I am heading into oncomming traffic. The issue with that was the particular road was aligned to native Bing so was say five to ten metres out. If I can establish the correct alignment of Bing for the area then I can have the road in the correct place. Now of course if my GPS can not resolve to the necessary accuracy then I still will have the issue but that is between my GPS and OSM rather than OSM and the real position. I have found my Garmin 62s is remarkably consistent with traces as I have walked the same tracks now a few times and generally it is within 5 metres at least and more often than not within two metres. In the car it is readly aparent what side I am on with and out and back trips, until I reach a cutting, in that case the traces very rarely cross but do tend to broaden out. Courners do catch it out but then I have my recoding interval set to 10 metres as I am told that gives the best result for my unit. Now using aligned Bing to clean up and remove unnecessary points for roads but leaving more points in for finer detail for walking tracks as five metres off track can me rather painful scrub bash. My reading of various information suggests that the Garmin maps themselves, due to using 24 bit reference number, have at best a theortical accuracy of 2.5 metres so even with professional grade surveying the maps in the unit will not be better than 2.5 metres. Someone might have different or better information so more than happy to have this point challenged. All still very much a learning curve for me. Actually GPS accuracy needs to be remarkable with complicated intersections as often one lane out can mean a massive side trip. Spent a lot of time figuring out how to get to Ballarat from the Melboure Airport as for a Tasmanian we are not use to such massive intersections. I case where I should have been the navigator not the driver. Was pre OSM for me so was usuing Google Maps on the iPhone. Gradually working my way around Tassie by lake tracing and that is where I am understanding the challenges Bing gives you. Its image quality ranges from top class to murky but still great to have it as the alternative would be walking around every lake, tarn and pool. Anyway thanks for the feedback. Hopefullty it will result in better maps. Cheers Brett Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 06:23:13 +1000 From: snow...@gmx.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] GPS accuracy On 20/09/12 22:27, Peter Hoban wrote: Discovering the accuracy of a unit is easy. Find a convenient spot near your house and with your GPS record its position. Come back next day (or at least a few hours later) and do it again. Repeat daily until you are sick of it and you will then have a good idea of how accurate any particular observation is likely to be. No technical expertise required. The question of absolute accuracy is complex. Survey marks mostly were placed before the current modelling of the earth was developed. While these may now have GDA coordinates (typically about 100 mm different from WGS in Australia) there are complexities that arise (eg from continental drift and the instability of the earth's axis of rotation) which are significant variables. There are many assumptions in the modelling. WAAS also works in Europe and Japan. There is no likelihood of it being implemented in Australia as our population density is too low. Switch it off. If it is left switched on there is some risk that spurious signals from other systems may degrade the accuracy of your device. I've been using a Garmin GPSMAP 60CSx for a number of years. Normally for logging GPS tracks by car for use in OSM, I use it in conjunction with an external antenna (mounted above the driver's seat so it's closer to the centre of the road). With a good view of the sky, this GPS unit usually claims its accuracy to be ± 3m, with one important exception. And that's when cornering. If I superimpose track logs from several days in JOSM, I do see incredible consistency in the tracks. The exception is in the corners, where there's distinct variation. The solution is to drive around corners more slowly (where safety considerations permit). Then the GPS seems more inclined to accept cornering as the reason for the deviation from going straight ahead (rather than
Re: [talk-au] National borders (was: import of state borders?)
Hi I have noticed that in Devonport Tasmania the coastline has appeared with reference ABS-2006 along with an area called beach. It can be a little out so just curious what level of detail/accuracy is this and worthwhile better aligning it. Also am I correct to assume that it is the high water mark? Cheers Brett From: inas66+...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:34:46 +1000 To: ohr...@gmail.com CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; cadmana...@live.com.au Subject: Re: [talk-au] National borders (was: import of state borders?) Hi, If I understand correctly, the differences should only correspond to the amount that our coastline differs from the low water mark? Are we missing parts of the true coastline, is our coastline just inaccurate do you think? I'd be surprised if there was any definitive low water mark data for the entire coastline. Should we start with a simpler section, like NSW? Ian. On 12 September 2012 23:04, Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2012/8/31 Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com 2012/8/31 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com Well, I think the baseline is defined here.. http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00525 I don't think we have any issues using those facts as a source. That looks great, combining this with the coastline should work. The coastline can be either drawn via osmosis from a planet extract or perhaps also from OverpassAPI. But I guess we'll have to generate all those line segments in QGIS to get the coordinate systems right. A quick update from my side on this: I'm afraid it's not as straightforward as I had assumed... I managed to generate an osm file from the points given in the proclamation [1]. This gives the straight pieces of the baseline. But the problem is that the coastline doesn't really give the right baseline for the rest (high vs. low water mark). When I checked briefly I came across some pronounced differences for example in the gulf of carpentaria. I guess it will be the same along the Great Barrier Reef. So we would have to do some guesswork to combine coastline and straight segements. BTW, it's very likely not a projection issue. I made sure by doing a check of my calculations against the data Geoscience Australia provides. Michael --- [1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1222615/baseline.osm ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] iPhone OSM street naming apps
Hi Might have asked this question before but maybe something has come. Has anyone used an iPhone app to name streets on the ground with OSM. My memory, spelling and note taking rather average so be good to have ability to read from the sign and enter this directly into OSM. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Getting is right
Hi Ian Um? Writing to a bureaucracy and reading their response thrills almost as much an month long recital of Vogon poetry. But will give the Minister a shot once I work out the approach. Tempted by something along the lines of During the Second World War Britain made great attempts to keep place names secert. Can you please tell (insert state naming registry authority) that the second world war is over. Something tells me that Minister will not mind but the mapping authorities might come under pressure from the commercial mappers to hold this information back. Stay tune but in the intervening ice age the lakes I have madly been mapping are like to have change. Cheers From: inas66+...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:49:46 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Getting is right To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org On 11 September 2012 12:42, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: I have been looking at few commercial mapping products closely and it is interesting to see the errors. In the cities it seems not so bad, but google maps on minor roads outside of major urban centres is a work of fiction. But I am curious that using the List in Tassie to check names is wrong? It is a Government service and one that actually forces name changes such as the removable of possessive names and even names it does not like. Russell Fallls for example was not correct but it subsequently decreed to be. The government surveyor stuffed that up many years ago. The Tasmanian Government clearly claims copyright. Why not write a nice letter to the General Manager, Information and Land Services. Set out that what OSM is, and ask for permission to check names against the LIST, and release the resulting data under a free and open licence. Say they will be attributed if they wish at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors. If they say yes, we have explicit permission. If they say no, then you probably weren't allowed to begin with. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Getting is right
Hi Looks good. I might just manage not to resort to chewing my own arm off to survive. Get the feeling that relentless pressure from many will get the walls to crumble. So I will be the first assault with my trumpet. Cheers Brett capable of proving that a musical instrument can be an instrument of terror. On 11/09/2012, at 9:30 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Hi Brett, Your email prompted me to create something I have been meaning to do for a while: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission Hope it helps. Else, if you think meeting Vogon poetry [1] with Vogon poetry would be better, the License Working Group can help if you can get contact details and links to what the data is and how it is licensed. Mike Proud Vogon Bard [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogon On 11/09/2012 10:59, Brett Russell wrote: Hi Ian Um? Writing to a bureaucracy and reading their response thrills almost as much an month long recital of Vogon poetry. But will give the Minister a shot once I work out the approach. Tempted by something along the lines of During the Second World War Britain made great attempts to keep place names secert. Can you please tell (insert state naming registry authority) that the second world war is over. Something tells me that Minister will not mind but the mapping authorities might come under pressure from the commercial mappers to hold this information back. Stay tune but in the intervening ice age the lakes I have madly been mapping are like to have change. Cheers From: inas66+...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:49:46 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Getting is right To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org On 11 September 2012 12:42, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: I have been looking at few commercial mapping products closely and it is interesting to see the errors. In the cities it seems not so bad, but google maps on minor roads outside of major urban centres is a work of fiction. But I am curious that using the List in Tassie to check names is wrong? It is a Government service and one that actually forces name changes such as the removable of possessive names and even names it does not like. Russell Fallls for example was not correct but it subsequently decreed to be. The government surveyor stuffed that up many years ago. The Tasmanian Government clearly claims copyright. Why not write a nice letter to the General Manager, Information and Land Services. Set out that what OSM is, and ask for permission to check names against the LIST, and release the resulting data under a free and open licence. Say they will be attributed if they wish at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors. If they say yes, we have explicit permission. If they say no, then you probably weren't allowed to begin with. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Getting is right
Hi I have been looking at few commercial mapping products closely and it is interesting to see the errors. 1. Wrong names used. 2. Peaks in the wrong place. 3. Tracks that cross lakes. 4. Tracks that start and end in the middle of no where. 5. Tracks massively out of date or just plain wrong. 6. Zoom levels not optimized for intended use. By that walking tracks or cycle routes disappear way too quickly as you zoom out. 7. Claimed level of detail simply not there. By comparison with OSM is nearly always missing data but hey that is for me to fix if it annoys me. My only concern is some evil mapper will use the efforts and then attempt a legal war of attrition to make life hard. Have not seen a sign of this yet. But I am curious that using the List in Tassie to check names is wrong? It is a Government service and one that actually forces name changes such as the removable of possessive names and even names it does not like. Russell Fallls for example was not correct but it subsequently decreed to be. The government surveyor stuffed that up many years ago. The List is the official bible for place names and surely checking OSM against it can not be so wrong. Sure downloading chunks is a different story. OSM will eventually be a worry to commercial mappers so care is needed but the only way to get the names of geographic freatures is this source as signs just do not exist. Local knowledge actually comes from maps at some point in the past. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Few questions about tagging ways in Australia
Hi I can understand the sensitivity and required care but with geographical features the traditional resources have been maps and so you are a bit trapped. I can understand tracing from copyright work is not on but sounds like checking the spelling of a name Is even taboo. Just as an aside, more than a few copyright sources get things wrong plus even the authorities with the classic being different spelling of a location on the reverse side if a sign. How do you check this? Copyrighting town names does not sound legitimate even on commercial products. Yes I accept taking a list line by line is dubious practice but referring to a source for a check sounds ok. Basically the reason I know many names is from maps or people that had referred to maps. Surely that is legitimate?. But yes the aim must always to avoid a redaction mark two, three, etc. Cheers Brett On 09/09/2012, at 3:07 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] IMHO, it's perfectly valid to consult other maps (Bing, Google Maps, Melway, whatever) for street names, I disagree in the strongest possible terms. It is not perfectly valid to use those resources for OpenStreetMap and you are advised in every reference against using such resources. Don't copy anything into OpenStreetMap from any published map or other source without explicit permission. Map the things that you observe in your personal surveys. Combine those observations with the information from resources we have explicit permission to use for OpenStreetMap. If you have doubts; don't use a resource. And ask the License Working Group if you need help with related issues. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bing alignment accross tiles
Hi I have been gradually mapping an area that I had planned a bushwalk in. On Thursday to Saturday this week had a chance to walk the area using OSM maps on a Garmin 62S. The results were very impressive and it was a nice feeling walking between a lake and a pond that I had traced in. Also took a few marker to align the Bing photographs. Now that is where the fun starts. Bing on Polatch 2 seems to assume that it is all one big sheet to move around but in real life some Bing is very well aligned in some places and other not so much. Due to difference in photos I can pick a boundary between two photographic tiles. A lake spans both so if I align the lake to one it is wrong on the other. I cut the lake in half and positioned each half correctly and then rejoined the lake. Is this the correct approach? Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] osm osm couldn't load status information
Hi Is anyone else getting this error or any solutions. couldn't load status information Thanks Ian on confirmation that the view is on the blink. All today it does not works so I can not select say cycle maps nor do searches. Also in Poltach 2 when I edit it takes me back to an area that I edited yesterday despite now being in another area. In all very weird behaviour from OSM. Would love to know if this will be fixed. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bulk up load of data from Tasmanian Parks
Hi As some might have noticed I am madly loading up off road data of walking tracks and geographical features of Tasmania along with the roads to get there. For some reason the redaction hit remote roads rather hard but gradually rebuilding stuff and noticed the Herculean efforts of others in that regards. Also I am rather active poster on a bushwalking forum with a few, if rather too many strong opinions, with availability of mapping data being one, but this can have good effect. A fellow forum member turns out to be a GIS knowledgeable employee of Parks and Wildlife Tasmanian and is happy to upload Parks database of information. The issue he has is what is the best way. A bulk upload make sense for him but as I have noticed that this can have issues. I am more than happy to pitch in and do the hard yards or is it metres nowadays. Make a pleasant change from drawing in lakes from Bing when I have run out of tracks to upload. Can the administrators please step forward so a can put him in touch. He comes across as a person that wants to get the best information out there, subject to the usual constraints imposed by the sensitive nature of some data that Parks is unwilling to share to avoid environmental damage to protected areas. It would be wonderful if OSM Australia/Tasmania could have the same level of detail as England. I have been ground truthing the data and using OSM Australia Garmin download files (cycle maps being great for the zoom level of peaks but poor on walking tracks zoom level as limited to maximum of 300 metres) on my Garmin 62s. It is amazing in winter with a layer of snow wandering tracks with remarkable accuracy that I have created from the average of several traces. Friend was amazed when I said twenty metres left and sure enough there was the marker. Ok, given the GPS accuracy limitations I was a bit lucky but honestly I have found the Garmin 62s pretty spot on as with Bing at the highest zoom level. The worst difference I have found is about ten metres. More than good enough for most mapping purposes but I am for some strange reason driven to do better. I have notice when testing GPSs that some are consistently 10 metres out for some strange reason with Holux being the main one. Anyway looking forward to touching bases with the site administrators for Australia/Tasmania and as said happy to put in to get the job done. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery
Hi I have a Garmin Edge 305 that I can load into Basecamp rather than Training Centre so can generate GPX files from Basecamp that work with OSM. Cheers Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 27/07/2012, at 1:48 PM, Eric Rose er...@wamble.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27/07/12 11:47, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi Eric, Try gpsbabel, it's a handy tool that lets you convert ways / tracks / routes from one format to another: http://www.gpsbabel.org/ I wish it worked, as that's how I used to do stuff with the old Edge 705 and TCX format. Unfortunately, even though the GPSBabel site tells me that version 1.4.2 supports FIT files with garmin_fit (for tracks at least), I get a Input type not recognised error when I try and convert a FIT file. I might have to download a converted file from ridewithgps after I upload it there. Eric It can be a little complicated to use, and there is a command line and a gui interface. The documentation on gpsbabel's website is very good. Cheers, Cam. I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800 (FIT format) to GPX. All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area. Eric - -- Web-footed fascists with manical eyes, Ducks, Ducks, Quack-quack! Quack-quack! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlASDx4ACgkQ+lmeGwHCyRGkmgCdH1ROh3s7YTH4fgIwa0kPg8+/ lQQAoJFRbprtoW2i4OJcmQ239Sx07EKA =OXzg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] I feel like such a newbie
Hi Ok thanks to John I am starting the first baby step to using mkgmap so I have installed Java. It think it works as I am using JOSM and that worked. Downloaded a small sample file of the Walls area using OSM data extract as I could not as yet figure out the other option and borrowing Australia from another suggested site was a bit big in file size for me and I was hoping to avoid splitting at this stage working on the KISS principle. This created a Walls_test.OSM file. Now quite chuffed with progress but then came unstuck here with this command line instruction. java -jar mkgmap.jar --route --remove-short-arcs --add-pois-to-areas --index --gmapsupp *.osm.pbf Now this is were my newbie status shows in spades. Am I correct to assume that this is a DOS command line instruction? If it is I then get this error 'Java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Now and ice age of two has passed since I used DOS or Unix in anger and something tells me for java to be recognized it needs to be in a path. Ironically I would have a better chance of doing this in Unix than DOS as I once used .profiles extensively in Unix. Now if you have fallen off your chair laughing as this is not a command line instruction then please point me to what I should be doing. Also big hint on scripts would be good. I assume it might be a text file you write/steal/borrow? The idea is to create a MEM (Middle Earth Map for an Ent) just for Tassie at this stage with the zoom levels optimised for bushwalking. By that, big peaks and foot tracks showing up big time. As mentioned I played with the OSM_Australia *.IMG files with good success but they are optimised for motorised wheel machines not the la (or is is le?) ped. The ultimate is to bring contours and wait for it, natural features such as heath which is code for somewhere to pitch a tent. If I get it right then from the satellite imagines I should have a few spots pre-worked out. For those that have walked you can be five metres away from a perfect campsite but never know it. As again any pointers greatly appreciated. Cheers. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hi from Brett Russell
Hi John and others Looked at the hiking trail link below and only the Overland Track came up in Tassie. I have added a few tracks and do I need to do something special to have them identified as hiking tracks? Using generic path. Also bushwalking tracks have a few loose categories in my opinion. Boardwalked or well maintained by Parks. Traditional tracks that are well marked on the ground but Parks does not maintain. Know tracks but rather easy to lose in places. General easy ways but lot of track finding skill needed to keep on them and re-find them. Often just the key weak points in cliff lines marked. GPS plots that are the way one person approached the area. Now for a harden bushwalker any of the above are ok but sadly we encounter in Tassie more than a few people that think every track is marked like a street. Also some well marked tracks are challenging due to steepness and have creek crossings that can flood. Looking for ways to maximize the information. Bit like roads. Superhighway to 4wd track requiring serious vehicle. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 01/07/2012, at 9:04 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: A warm welcome to OSM Au Brett. Be sure to have a look at the specialized map of hiking tracks within OSM: http://hiking.lonvia.de/en/ John On 29/06/12 23:09, Brett Russell wrote: Hi I am an avid bushwalker and on a forum that I am on a fellow member mentioned OSM mapping. I have Garmin 62s and have been logging tracks with it and was looking for a way to improve upon the rather poor tracks on Tasmaps. So have been using OSM. It has been a steep learning curve but have been working on getting tracks uploaded and naming a few peaks. Also been working on creating lakes. Plus a bit of street naming and adding streets missed, mainly around the Devonport Area. I have zeroed in on the Walls of Jerusalem area adding named lakes at the moment. Any great project and no doubt will be looking for a few hints and ideas as well as “standardw” for defining streets and speed limits, etc, etc. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 LAUNCESTON Tas 7250 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Hi from Brett Russell
Hi I am an avid bushwalker and on a forum that I am on a fellow member mentioned OSM mapping. I have Garmin 62s and have been logging tracks with it and was looking for a way to improve upon the rather poor tracks on Tasmaps. So have been using OSM. It has been a steep learning curve but have been working on getting tracks uploaded and naming a few peaks. Also been working on creating lakes. Plus a bit of street naming and adding streets missed, mainly around the Devonport Area. I have zeroed in on the Walls of Jerusalem area adding named lakes at the moment. Any great project and no doubt will be looking for a few hints and ideas as well as standardw for defining streets and speed limits, etc, etc. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 LAUNCESTON Tas 7250 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
