Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Post offices

[David E. Nelson via Talk-ca]

Ah, that's much better.  Why did I not think to use the "save" feature on Overpass-turbo?Thank you, Steve.  :)- David E. Nelsonhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83On Mar. 29, 2020 15:47, stevea  wrote:Maybe copy-paste from David's post works for you, maybe it doesn't.  Overpass Turbo -> email or talk-post text pasting is notoriously fraught with errors, so the simple technique of OT allowing for the creation of a link to a snippet of Overpass code is an easy thing to do.  When publishing (or exchanging via email) Overpass Turbo details that include code to run, I recommend sharing a link that you create:  click the Share button, copy the Permalink, share that in posts or email.  Doing this is far more robust / much less error prone than the copy-pasting of OT code text, especially as the OT code promulgates through mailers and layers of 'net traffic.



For example, here is the link for David's recent OT code:  http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/S3A



It works.



SteveA

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Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Post offices

[David E. Nelson via Talk-ca]

I have highlighted in the spreadsheets which post offices are tagged with their correct postal codes.  Those postal codes are now in bold type.
- David E. Nelsonhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83On Mar. 28, 2020 15:39, john whelan  wrote:It might be worthwhile highlighting those that do not have a postcode or are tagged name=Canada Post.Useful locally as I hadn't checked the ones I know of had been mapped nor that their details were correct.  I did note one address was wrong, the post office had moved from one side of the street to the other a year or so ago.Thanks JohnOn Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 16:04, David E. Nelson via Talk-ca <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:I have started a project with the objective of adding as many post offices as can be found in Canada to OpenStreetMap.Canada Post's own database yields just over 6000 post offices within the country, and I have used the Overpass API to determine that just over 2000 of those, or only about one in every three such outlets, have already been added to OSM's database.I would like to enlist the help of mappers across Canada to add as many more of the missing post offices as they can find.  To that end, I have produced these spreadsheets detailing which post offices have already been added to OSM and which have not.Atlantic (A, B, C, E): <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13O2oY4te6EvOPSqpaCOtWbUZ2UkO-ahq9CeODruvcDA/>Quebec (G, H, J):<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IOrbwQsEgSM8PvzWzBDHNPvM0d3HsiW_XLXYnK7utm8/>Ontario (K, L, M, N, P):<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k_mOmiL15L6ObCeJJ8DntVBXb21JSZwOsJTbfb1FOI0/>Western and Northern (R, S, T, V, X, Y):<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lcOL5ISS9aML6oaUOcgyngw4bio_gRmbxzLn-4GCjXQ/>Each spreadsheet has a "master list" of post offices, and each of those entries has been colour-coded according to their disposition:Green = Already added to OSM; node/way ID given, with dash before ID indicating a way, no dash indicating a nodeRed = Not yet added to OSMYellow = Location listed on waymarking.com (although I am not sure waymarking.com data is licence-compatible with OSM) <https://www.waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1=610386da-84d0-4983-bdf1-7eb34a03e64b>Blue = Added to OSM, but since moved to a new location or simply needs to have its address re-verifiedLilac = Postal code needs to be corrected—the correct postal code is in the spreadsheet; postal codes for Canada Post facilities *always* end with a zeroViolet = A letter has been sent to that post office asking for its precise geographical locationEach spreadsheet also has a second sheet titled "extraneous data", detailing which post offices found in the OSM data have been determined to have closed; which OSM post office data is redundant and needs to be merged, i.e., if a single post office location has both a way and a disconnected node describing it, in which case the tags from the node should be moved to the way; and which locations have been erroneously tagged as post offices.  Only locations branded as Canada Post where postage stamps can be purchased should have the "amenity=post_office" tag, while outlets branded as "FedEx", "UPS", or any other private courier should instead be tagged as "office=logistics".I would also like to see a harmonized tagging schema for Canada Post outlets, consisting as follows:addr:housenumber (Use ground survey or local knowledge wherever and whenever possible)addr:postcode (Use from spreadsheets)addr:street (Use ground survey or local knowledge wherever and whenever possible)amenity=post_officebrand=Canada Postbrand:wikipedia=en:Canada Postbrand:wikidata=Q1032001name (Use from spreadsheets)operator (Either "Canada Post", for an outlet run directly by Canada Post, or for an independently-run franchise, the name of the business that the postal outlet can be found in)phone (Optional)I would prefer that no two or more post office locations share a postal code.  If this is not the case, only the outlet listed in the above spreadsheets should get tagged with "addr:postcode", while the others not use the "addr:postcode" tag at all.  As well, no two post office locations within the same province or territory should be permitted to have identical name values, and I have made sure of that in the spreadsheets.- David E. Nelsonhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83___
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[Talk-ca] Canada Post offices

[David E. Nelson via Talk-ca]

I have started a project with the objective of adding as many post offices as can be found in Canada to OpenStreetMap.Canada Post's own database yields just over 6000 post offices within the country, and I have used the Overpass API to determine that just over 2000 of those, or only about one in every three such outlets, have already been added to OSM's database.I would like to enlist the help of mappers across Canada to add as many more of the missing post offices as they can find.  To that end, I have produced these spreadsheets detailing which post offices have already been added to OSM and which have not.Atlantic (A, B, C, E): Quebec (G, H, J):Ontario (K, L, M, N, P):Western and Northern (R, S, T, V, X, Y):Each spreadsheet has a "master list" of post offices, and each of those entries has been colour-coded according to their disposition:Green = Already added to OSM; node/way ID given, with dash before ID indicating a way, no dash indicating a nodeRed = Not yet added to OSMYellow = Location listed on waymarking.com (although I am not sure waymarking.com data is licence-compatible with OSM) Blue = Added to OSM, but since moved to a new location or simply needs to have its address re-verifiedLilac = Postal code needs to be corrected—the correct postal code is in the spreadsheet; postal codes for Canada Post facilities *always* end with a zeroViolet = A letter has been sent to that post office asking for its precise geographical locationEach spreadsheet also has a second sheet titled "extraneous data", detailing which post offices found in the OSM data have been determined to have closed; which OSM post office data is redundant and needs to be merged, i.e., if a single post office location has both a way and a disconnected node describing it, in which case the tags from the node should be moved to the way; and which locations have been erroneously tagged as post offices.  Only locations branded as Canada Post where postage stamps can be purchased should have the "amenity=post_office" tag, while outlets branded as "FedEx", "UPS", or any other private courier should instead be tagged as "office=logistics".I would also like to see a harmonized tagging schema for Canada Post outlets, consisting as follows:addr:housenumber (Use ground survey or local knowledge wherever and whenever possible)addr:postcode (Use from spreadsheets)addr:street (Use ground survey or local knowledge wherever and whenever possible)amenity=post_officebrand=Canada Postbrand:wikipedia=en:Canada Postbrand:wikidata=Q1032001name (Use from spreadsheets)operator (Either "Canada Post", for an outlet run directly by Canada Post, or for an independently-run franchise, the name of the business that the postal outlet can be found in)phone (Optional)I would prefer that no two or more post office locations share a postal code.  If this is not the case, only the outlet listed in the above spreadsheets should get tagged with "addr:postcode", while the others not use the "addr:postcode" tag at all.  As well, no two post office locations within the same province or territory should be permitted to have identical name values, and I have made sure of that in the spreadsheets.- David E. Nelsonhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83___
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[Talk-ca] CBC News features story on smartphone navigation in Gatineau Park

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https://youtu.be/O2jKuqV2zNwAccording to this, a lot of hikers in Gatineau Park near Ottawa are getting lost from following their smartphones.  Do you think they needed to resort back to a paper map, and had they known about OSM, then is the OSM data on the trails in Gatineau Park good enough to keep them from getting in that kind of trouble?- David E. Nelson___
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[Talk-ca] Serge Wroclawski's op/ed on the challenges OSM faces today

[David E. Nelson]

I thought I would post this article that I recently came across, and I would 
like to gauge how Canadian contributors to OSM would react to this.  It came 
across as a bit disconcerting to me, but it in no way affects my enthusiasm for 
OSM, given just how much I enjoy contributing to it.

https://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2018/02/16/osm-is-in-trouble/

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Re: [Talk-ca] Postal Code cleanup

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This is partly the reason why I don't add postal codes when I put new business listings into OSM.- David E. NelsonOn Feb 7, 2018 5:05 PM, James  wrote:Canapost usesA#A #A#Seeing as they were trying to copyright it's usage (see lawsuit vs geocode.ca) I think thats the format we should useOn Feb 7, 2018 8:02 PM, "Matthew Darwin"  wrote:
  


  
  
Hi all,
Below are the 10 top
postal code formats in Canada as seen in addr:postcode.
When I get bored of tidying up phone numbers, I'll tackle some
postal codes.   
  
I hope we can all agree
that "A#A #A#", which is the most popular, is the correct format
that should be used.  The ones that just have 'A#A' (the "Forward Sortation Area") I will
  leave as well.   There are more than 60 unique formats in use
  today and funny enough I see phone numbers in the postal
  code field arrh!
  
I am open to
comments/suggestion on this, as always.
  
  20271 'A#A #A#'
     1454 'A#A#A#'
   96 'a#a#a#'
   37 'A#A #A# '
   29 'a#a #a#'
   28 'A#A'
   24 'A#A #a#'
   23 'AA A#A #A#'
   17 'A#A-#A#'
   12 'A#A #A#'
  
  

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Re: [Talk-ca] Ferry durations

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The BC Ferries website should have all of the ferry crossing times listed on it.  I'm not sure though if that information should be taken directly off the website for obtained through other sources.- David E. NelsonOn Jul 12, 2017 1:03 PM, Alan Richards  wrote:Are there any ferry routes without duration left? That overpass query shows all the common ferry routes I know offhand in the province.AlanOn Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:57 AM,   wrote:Hi all,

Just to let you know, my map team colleagues have been adding a few `duration` tags to ferry routes in BC yesterday. Since this was already established practice, I am only mentioning it now. I am crossposting to talk-us because I wanted to see if folks there have given any thought to ferry duration tagging? The documented practice is to add duration=hh:mm to the way that makes up the ferry route. If you think this is fun to map I could add ferry routes without duration to MapRoulette.

Here is the current state of duration tags in BC: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qlE

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Re: [Talk-ca] Maritime Boundary

[David E. Nelson]

It seems to me that the provincial boundary should be displaced from the coast 
of the Island of Newfoundland by 3 NM.  Is there a tool one can use to do that?

 
- David E. Nelson



On Sunday, January 12, 2014 8:00:21 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Adam Martin s.adam.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello!

 Is this supposed to be the actual maritime boundary? I don't think it is -
 the parts of the line appears to be for the Provincial boundary. If it is
 the Provincial boundary, shouldn't it follow the coastal boundary?

 If I am mistaken, let me know.

I don't think that you are mistaken, but I don't think you have all of
the facts either.

The 12NM line does look to be one that was created automatically.  It
certainly wasn't surveyed by a local mapper.  :-)  Same for the inland
maritime boundary.  I looked at that one in more detail.  Here's
what I see going on.

The boundary way is this one

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/30114485

It is also part of two relations.  One relation is a civil boundary,
the other is an administrative (provincial)

Boundary ways can not be understood fully, or edited wisely, without
understanding relations.  I wouldn't edit any complex form, such as a
boundary relation, with an editor other than JOSM.  And not with any
editor, on a mobile device.

Today, the way appears badly drawn, and incomplete in tagging.  I'll
take a few guesses at why.

The history of that way shows 28 revisions.  The first one was the
creation of the way, as an import from geobase in 2009. It was tagged
as an administrative boundary (not a maritime boundary).  Likely, this
was the best data available to us at the time.  With the currently
available imagery, we can see that the imported boundary does not
align with imagery, nor does it reflect some of the details in the
current imagery.

Revisions 2 through 25 have been redacted, due to edits by users who
did not agree to the license change.  The boundary may have had some
improvements and corrections through those edits.  Improved or
otherwise, those edits are gone.

Revision 26 shows that the redaction bot cleaned out the data that we
were no longer entitled to keep.  That left the way without tags.

R27 in 2012 appears not to have directly affected the way. It may have
edited an intersecting way?  It was a large changeset.

R28 in 2013 added the maritime tag you report. The maritime tag alone,
is an unusual form.  I don't think that it would be considered
complete, unless combined with the tags of the parent relations.

When compared with the 'bot-drawn 12nm maritime boundary, this way
appears to be incorrect.  It just doesn't seem to be far enough
offshore to be a maritime boundary.

When compared to http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/115038287 (from
2011, and a canvec import) the '485 way appears low resolution and
poorly aligned.

So there are are multiple imported boundaries here.  Each were the
probably best available at the time.  Neither are perfect, and now the
appear to somewhat duplicate each other, given the parent relations of
'485.

Hope that helps a bit.


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[Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC

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Does anyone know of an OSM-compatible free WMS source we can use for aerial 
imagery for all of Nanaimo?  Bing does not have street-level imagery for 
Nanaimo north of 49.14°N and east of 123.94°W, and all of the sources I can 
find for that imagery (Google, the City of Nanaimo itself) are walled off 
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Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC

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Well, unfortunately, all of that is overridden by this statement I found on the 
City of Nanaimo's own map portal:

All rights, title and interest (including copyright, patent and other 
intellectual property rights) contained in the Information remain vested
 in the City of Nanaimo at all times.

 
- David E. Nelson



On Sunday, October 20, 2013 4:55:29 PM, Tim Whitehead 
spero.shirope...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I am no legal person by any means, and Nanaimo has adopted v2 of the OGL since 
I last looked at it. Paul Norman mentioned he was going to look into it when 
there was a moment to do so.
The way I read v2 of the license is that it is available to use so long as you 
acknowledge the source with the defined attribution statement of the region.
 
“Contains information licensed under the Open Government Licence - Nanaimo.”
 
If multiple sources were used or multiple attributions are not practical, one 
would use
 
“Contains information licensed under the Open Government License – British 
Columbia.”
http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html
http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf
 
Though it looks like they missed updating the last paragraph under Versioning.
 
 
To answer your actual question though, nope I am not aware of another WMS 
source J
 
Cheers,
Tim 
 
From:David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: October 20, 2013 4:12 PM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC
 
Does anyone know of an OSM-compatible free WMS source we can use for aerial 
imagery for all of Nanaimo?  Bing does not have street-level imagery for 
Nanaimo north of 49.14°N and east of 123.94°W, and all of the sources I can 
find for that imagery (Google, the City of Nanaimo itself) are walled off 
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Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC

[David E. Nelson]

 Could get that from their data source?

 http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/Engineering-Public-Works/GIS/DigitalData.html

 http://data.nanaimo.ca/

 http://www.nanaimo.ca/ortho/  (553A)



 Building/Properties/Road ways are available and can be overlayed in JOSM.

And how do I do that?  How do I import that data, both ways and photos, into 
JOSM?

 
- David E. Nelson



On Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:00:45 PM, Tim Whitehead 
spero.shirope...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Could get that from their data source?

http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/Engineering-Public-Works/GIS/Digi
talData.html

http://data.nanaimo.ca/

http://www.nanaimo.ca/ortho/  (553A)



Building/Properties/Road ways are available and can be overlayed in JOSM.

All of those point to their OGL license. (haven’t seen another reference…
yet)



Cheers,

Tim



From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: October 20, 2013 5:34 PM
To: Tim Whitehead
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC



 Is that from their Interactive Map disclaimer -
http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/  http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/
?



Yes, it is.



 What were/are you attempting to get from the aerial photos?



I want the aerial imagery you can get from that interactive map in either
Potlatch2 or JOSM so I can add some map details for the area around Cameron
Island (Promenade Drive), specifically those three buildings and the lanes
of the Nanaimo Harbour Ferry Terminal.



- David E. Nelson



On Sunday, October 20, 2013 5:27:31 PM, Tim Whitehead
spero.shirope...@gmail.com wrote:

Is that from their Interactive Map disclaimer -
http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/  http://maps.nanaimo.ca/nanaimomap/ ?

Looking through their data catalogue - http://data.nanaimo.ca/,
http://data.nanaimo.ca/, I haven’t
found any other statement that conflicts.



What were/are you attempting to get from the aerial photos?



Cheers,

Tim



From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca
mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca ] 
Sent: October 20, 2013 4:59 PM
To: Tim Whitehead; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC



Well, unfortunately, all of that is overridden by this statement I found on
the City of Nanaimo's own map portal:

All rights, title and interest (including copyright, patent and other
intellectual property rights) contained in the Information remain vested in
the City of Nanaimo at all times.



- David E. Nelson



On Sunday, October 20, 2013 4:55:29 PM, Tim Whitehead
spero.shirope...@gmail.com mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com
mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com mailto:spero.shirope...@gmail.com  
wrote:

I am no legal person by any means, and Nanaimo has adopted v2 of the OGL
since I last looked at it. Paul Norman mentioned he was going to look into
it when there was a moment to do so.

The way I read v2 of the license is that it is available to use so long as
you acknowledge the source with the defined attribution statement of the
region.



“Contains information licensed under the Open Government Licence -
Nanaimo.”



If multiple sources were used or multiple attributions are not practical,
one would use



“Contains information licensed under the Open Government License – British
Columbia.”

http://www.nanaimo.ca/EN/main/departments/106/DataCatalogue/Licence.html

http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf



Though it looks like they missed updating the last paragraph under
Versioning.





To answer your actual question though, nope I am not aware of another WMS
source :)



Cheers,

Tim 



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mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca ] 
Sent: October 20, 2013 4:12 PM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org  


Subject: [Talk-ca] Aerial imagery for Nanaimo, BC



Does anyone know of an OSM-compatible free WMS source we can use for aerial
imagery for all of Nanaimo?  Bing does not have street-level imagery for
Nanaimo north of 49.14°N and east of 123.94°W, and all of the sources I can
find for that imagery (Google, the City of Nanaimo itself) are walled off
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Re: [Talk-ca] Rendering of Canadian shields

[David E. Nelson]

And who would be using these?  OpenStreetMap's own map rendering doesn't use 
route shields at all.

 
- David E. Nelson



 From: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
To: OpenStreetMap talk-us list talk...@openstreetmap.org; 
talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:22:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Rendering of Canadian shields
 


Crud, guess it helps if I include the link:  
http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/publications/eng_publications/electrical/MoST_PM.pdf  
Page 115.  Not 100% sure on reproducibility of Canadian shields; perhaps a 
Canadian could help on this part.



On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

Incidentally came across some shield guidance for handling BC routes 1 
(Trans-Canada), 3 (Crow's Nest), 5 (Yellowhead) and 16 (TC, though also 
Yellowhead in places).  Alberta uses a similar 3 sign (albeit on an Alberta 
shield cutout) for the Alberta segment of the Crow's Nest.



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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Community on Vancouver Island?

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I live in the Comox Valley and am rather active on OSM as well.

 
- David E. Nelson



 From: Tim Whitehead spero.shirope...@gmail.com
To: OSM Talk-ca talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:12:27 PM
Subject: [Talk-ca] OSM Community on Vancouver Island?
 


Just wondering if there might be a Vancouver Island (Victoria, CRD, Gulf 
Islands, Nanaimo, Courtenay/Comox, etc) OSM community out there, most 
references I have found seemed to have died out.
 
I thought I would create an open community on Google+ and see if anyone stumble 
in, it is located at https://plus.google.com/communities/118408397384264806217 
and is public.
 
Cheers,
Tim
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Re: [Talk-ca] Duplicate BC, Canada geometry

[David E. Nelson]

There is a spreadsheet on Google Docs that serves this very purpose.  It's 
located here.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dERFUlBodFFmbmJiR3BBMHR4MzJDM1Ehl=en


- David E. Nelson



 From: Adam Dunn dunna...@gmail.com
To: the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com 
Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org impo...@openstreetmap.org; talk-ca 
talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:44:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Duplicate BC, Canada geometry
 

Hmm, I think the last time I did imports in BC was back in 2010, and I thought 
I was careful about leaving the map in a correct and consistent state. Azub's 
imports are all in the Prince George or north area, and I definitely know I 
haven't touched that area in a long time. Got any examples or changeset numbers?

The nature of doing imports like Canvec tends to be spread over large areas and 
large amounts of time. Any suggestions on techniques for coordinating efforts? 
An email to the list saying I'll be working on Prince George area this week? 
A shared spreadsheet?

Adam



On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com 
wrote:

Users Adam Dunn (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Adam%20Dunn), 
alester_imports (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alester_imports), and 
azubimport (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/azubimport) are duplicating way 
geometry from multiple sources, in some cases within a few days of each other.


Will the three (hopefully there are not more) of you please coordinate your 
efforts, review your recent work, and de-duplicate way geometry and tagging in 
BC, Canada (and elsewhere, if applicable).  I presume you've been engaging 
with the import list, copied  ...


Thanks and best


-- 

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[Talk-ca] Environment Canada Forecast Region boundaries released

[David E. Nelson]

http://dd.weatheroffice.gc.ca/meteocode/geodata/

All we need to do is have it released under OSM's licence, and then we can add 
the boundaries to OSM.

 
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Re: [Talk-us] Wrangell, AK streets

[David E. Nelson]

 Alright well I went ahead and did this tonight. It still isn't perfect
 but it is MUCH better. For those who didn't look, here is a
 before/after shot. The before is from OpenCycleMap since it hasn't
 re-rendered the area yet.

That looks much better.  Now I can trace the Alaska Marine Highway into 
Wrangell.

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Re: [Talk-us] Wrangell, AK streets

[David E. Nelson]

You may wish to try that out.  You might want to also look at the street data 
for the rest of the communities served by the Alaska Marine Highway System, as 
I intend to eventually draw the rest of those ferry routes, and I need to know 
exactly where each dock is.


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[Talk-us] Wrangell, AK streets

[David E. Nelson]

I've run into a bit of a wrinkle plotting the routes of the Alaska Marine 
Highway System.  The street data for Wrangell, AK seems to have been horribly 
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Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec imports allowed again?

[David E. Nelson]

I've looked at a couple of videos on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR0OrnACPHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJr_gucFGMY

 
- David E. Nelson


- Original Message -

From: Iain Ingram i...@monkeyface.ca
To: David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:00:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec imports allowed again?

Hello David,

I was wondering if you had a quick tutorial about canvec imports? It seems that 
several areas in the Alberta Lake Louis area have been damaged and I thought I 
would start with some re-imports 

Thanks
Iain
On 2012-07-21, at 12:58 AM, David E. Nelson wrote:

 Now that the redaction bot has apparently finished its sweep of Canada, is it 
 safe for CanVec imports to be resumed?  I want to try my hand at importing a 
 few tiles around where I live.
 
  
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[Talk-ca] CanVec imports allowed again?

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Now that the redaction bot has apparently finished its sweep of Canada, is it 
safe for CanVec imports to be resumed?  I want to try my hand at importing a 
few tiles around where I live.

 
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Re: [Talk-ca] Merging ways

[David E. Nelson]

No.  There is no automated process in Potlatch2 that can do a so-called 
logical union of areas at the moment.  The best way to do this right now is 
manually.  You might want to ask the developers of Potlatch2 if they can code 
it up for you.


- David E. Nelson


- Original Message -
From: James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com
To: talk-ca talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:21:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Merging ways

So, do dig up an old thread again... is there a way to merge adjoining
areas in Potlatch yet? I got a great answer from Adam Dunn on using
the JOSM join ways feature. I'd like to be able to do this in
Potlatch as it is annoying to have to switch to another editor just to
be able to merge these adjoining nodes, and then join the two
adjoining areas into a single common area.

With the ability to import CanVec directly in Potlatch, having the
ability to stitch areas back together right in Potlatch would be nice.

I've been searching OSM help, but haven't found the answer yet. I
might not be using the correct search terms though.

--
James
VE6SRV

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:15 PM, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote:
 Okay, how do I accomplish this task?

 I drew the outline of Wolf Lake by hand quite a while ago. I also
 imported the water features from CanVec as well. Now there are three
 ways defining the lake. One is the way that I drew by hand. The second
 is one imported from Canvec which is a simple outline with the tag
 natural:water. The other half of the lake (split across a CanVec tile
 boundary) is a multipolygon outer relation because there's an island
 in the lake. I have tried removing the ways that define the split in
 the tile, and join the two remaining halves. I can't do that because
 there's a tag conflict. I removed the tags from the natural:water
 side, and tried to join the remaining untagged way to the outer
 relation, but it does not want to stay joined together. One would
 think that you should be able to simply join the untagged way to the
 way defining the outer relation, completing the circular way.

 This should be the simple part, I would assume. The situation where
 each half of the lake is an outer relation with inner relations would
 make the process more complex as you would somehow have to make the
 inner relations on one of the outer relations move over to become
 inner relations to the other outer relation, while making only one of
 the outer relations define the whole lake.

 Having the CanVec data available is excellent, but stitching areas
 back together where they have been artificially split at a tile
 boundary is a bit of a bear for me. Anyone of the CanVec import
 experts out there have a bit of a tutorial lesson for me?

 Wolf Lake (Hand drawn) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/78288197
 Wolf Lake (Canvec natural:water)
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/81345148
 Wolf Lake (Canvec outer relation)
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/81400283

 --
 James
 VE6SRV

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Re: [Talk-ca] British Columbia Regional District boundary data

[David E. Nelson]

Looking further into the boundary data, it appears that on parts of RD 
boundaries at sea that don't use the stair step pattern, a line 4.8 km or 3 
miles away from the coast is used.  Is there an easy tool available to generate 
that 4.8 km range?

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Re: [Talk-ca] British Columbia Regional District boundary data

[David E. Nelson]

The first Regional District, Capital, has been uploaded to the database.  I 
would like to know if it has been integrated into OpenStreetMap properly, and 
whether I can continue with the remaining 27.


- David E. Nelson


- Original Message -
From: Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:14:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] British Columbia Regional District boundary data

Looks good. I didn't know the BC Gov had adopted that license. Almost
as good as Surrey and their use of the PDDL.

Corey

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM, David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 Greetings.

 This is DENelson83 on OpenStreetMap.  I have prepared a new database import 
 for OpenStreetMap that paints the boundaries of all of the regional districts 
 of British Columbia.  I have documented my intentions on this user page, 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/British%20Columbia%20Regional%20Districts,
  and I would like your feedback on how to seamlessly integrate this data into 
 OSM.

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Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data

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Very interesting.  I will make that change right now.  BTW, the sea boundary of 
the Cowichan Valley Regional District to the northwest continues that 
stairstep pattern a little further.

 
- David E. Nelson


- Original Message -
From: Andrew Lester a-les...@shaw.ca
To: 'David E. Nelson' denelso...@yahoo.ca; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data

Note that this CRD map
(http://crdatlas.ca/media/8187/crd_adminbounds2009.pdf) shows the boundary
following the US border.
Otherwise, it looks good. I live in the CRD, so I figured I'd better check
it out!
Andrew Lester

-Original Message-
From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:05 PM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data

That stairstep pattern was found in the original DataBC Tantalis RD boundary
data, which should mean that that is the area geographically gazetted to the
CRD by the Province.
 
- David E. Nelson


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From: Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
To: Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:02:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data

Pierre,

I see the steps too. I suspect that might be a drawing error, but I need to
look more closely.

(for the record, I am an employee of the CRD in Regional Planning)

Corey

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
wrote:
 David,

 I forgot to discuss about the boundary itself. Why the southern part 
 look like steps and do not follow the red line division?

 Pierre

 
 De : David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca À : 
 talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Cc : 
 impo...@openstreetmap.org impo...@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : 
 Mercredi 6 juin 2012 15h10 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] British Columbia 
 Regional District boundary data

 The first Regional District, Capital, has been uploaded to the 
 database.  I would like to know if it has been integrated into 
 OpenStreetMap properly, and whether I can continue with the remaining 27.


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Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data

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BTW, as the import progresses north along the BC Coast, that stairstep 
pattern is going to reappear on the sea boundary of other Regional Districts.  
This pattern, again, was found in the original boundary data as obtained from 
DataBC.

 
- David E. Nelson



 From: Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
To: David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca 
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:44:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data
 
Looks good according to me.

Corey

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:41 PM, David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 Yes, I set up the second user account British Columbia Regional Districts,
 as recommended by the import guidelines on the OSM Wiki.

 I accidentally duplicated a way on the Canada-U.S. Border.  I believe that I
 have now fixed that, and the borders now share a way, as they properly
 should.  Can you confirm?

 - David E. Nelson
 
 From: Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
 To: Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:50:18 PM

 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data

 Pierre,

 David N is the real person behind that user.

 Corey

 On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
 wrote:
 Looking at this into JOSM, I see that this step way is a new way166383324
 distinct from the Canada-US border. It was created by  British Columbia
 Regional Districts user. This was probably as is in the original data and
 not detected.

 Pierre

 
 De : Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
 À : Andrew Lester a-les...@shaw.ca
 Cc : talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Envoyé le : Mercredi 6 juin 2012 16h15
 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary
 data

 I just looked at the layer in the CRD's database and we have it
 following the US Border, than that stepped pattern. No idea where that
 mistake came from.

 Corey

 On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Andrew Lester a-les...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Note that this CRD map
 (http://crdatlas.ca/media/8187/crd_adminbounds2009.pdf) shows the
 boundary
 following the US border.
 Otherwise, it looks good. I live in the CRD, so I figured I'd better
 check
 it out!
 Andrew Lester

 -Original Message-
 From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:05 PM
 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary
 data

 That stairstep pattern was found in the original DataBC Tantalis RD
 boundary
 data, which should mean that that is the area geographically gazetted to
 the
 CRD by the Province.

 - David E. Nelson


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 From: Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
 To: Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:02:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary
 data

 Pierre,

 I see the steps too. I suspect that might be a drawing error, but I need
 to
 look more closely.

 (for the record, I am an employee of the CRD in Regional Planning)

 Corey

 On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
 wrote:
 David,

 I forgot to discuss about the boundary itself. Why the southern part
 look like steps and do not follow the red line division?

 Pierre

 
 De : David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca À :
 talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Cc :
 impo...@openstreetmap.org impo...@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le :
 Mercredi 6 juin 2012 15h10 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] British Columbia
 Regional District boundary data

 The first Regional District, Capital, has been uploaded to the
 database.  I would like to know if it has been integrated into
 OpenStreetMap properly, and whether I can continue with the remaining
 27.


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Re: [Talk-ca] British Columbia Regional District boundary data

[David E. Nelson]

Indeed, I have been using JOSM for every part of assembling and maintaining 
this data set.

- David E. Nelson


 From: Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:55:35 PM
Subject: [Talk-ca] Re : Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data
 

David,

If you import the file into JOSM, you should see these steps and repair easily. 


Other then that, everything is fine. As you can see, Nominatim searches are now 
more efficient around Victoria.

 
Pierre 




 De : David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca
À : talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Mercredi 6 juin 2012 17h58
Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data
 

BTW, as the import progresses north along the BC Coast, that stairstep 
pattern is going to reappear on the sea boundary of other Regional Districts.  
This pattern, again, was found in the original boundary data as obtained from 
DataBC.

 
- David E. Nelson




 From: Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
To: David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca 
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:44:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data
 
Looks good according to me.

Corey

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:41 PM, David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 Yes, I set up the second user account British Columbia Regional Districts,
 as recommended by the import guidelines on the OSM Wiki.

 I accidentally duplicated a way on the Canada-U.S. Border.  I believe that I
 have now fixed that, and the borders now share a way, as they properly
 should.  Can you confirm?

 - David E. Nelson

 
 From: Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
 To: Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:50:18 PM

 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary data

 Pierre,

 David N is the real person behind that user.

 Corey

 On
 Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
 wrote:
 Looking at this into JOSM, I see that this step way is a new way166383324
 distinct from the Canada-US border. It was created by  British Columbia
 Regional Districts user. This was probably as is in the original data and
 not detected.

 Pierre

 
 De : Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
 À : Andrew Lester a-les...@shaw.ca
 Cc : talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Envoyé le : Mercredi 6 juin 2012 16h15
 Objet : Re:
 [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary
 data

 I just looked at the layer in the CRD's database and we have it
 following the US Border, than that stepped pattern. No idea where that
 mistake came from.

 Corey

 On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Andrew Lester a-les...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Note that this CRD map
 (http://crdatlas.ca/media/8187/crd_adminbounds2009.pdf) shows the
 boundary
 following the US border.
 Otherwise, it looks good. I live in the CRD, so I figured I'd better
 check
 it out!
 Andrew
 Lester

 -Original
 Message-
 From: David E. Nelson [mailto:denelso...@yahoo.ca]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:05 PM
 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary
 data

 That stairstep pattern was found in the original DataBC Tantalis RD
 boundary
 data, which should mean that that is the area geographically gazetted to
 the
 CRD by the Province.

 - David E. Nelson


 - Original Message -
 From: Corey Burger corey.bur...@gmail.com
 To: Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:02:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : British Columbia Regional District boundary
 data

 Pierre,

 I see the steps too. I suspect that might be a drawing error, but I
 need
 to
 look more closely.

 (for the record, I am an employee of the CRD in Regional
 Planning)

 Corey

 On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
 wrote:
 David,

 I forgot to discuss about the boundary itself. Why the southern part
 look like steps and do not follow the red line division?

 Pierre

 
 De : David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca À :
 talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Cc :
 impo...@openstreetmap.org impo...@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le :
 Mercredi 6 juin 2012 15h10 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] British Columbia
 Regional District boundary data

 The first Regional District, Capital, has been uploaded to the
 database.  I would like to know if it has been integrated into
 OpenStreetMap properly, and whether I
 can continue with the remaining
 27.


 - David E. Nelson



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