Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Which source(s) used for OSM civil parishes please.

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Found it, in JOSM add the following imagery:

tms[5,20]:https://mapwarper.net/layers/tile/295/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

On Saturday, 15 February 2020 14:41:55 GMT Brian Hollinshead wrote:
> During a recent talk to some genealogists I was asked which sources we used
> for adding the civil parishes back in the day.
> 
> My best memory was grouping the townlands from detail on the Sean Ruad web
> (now the core roscommon I think) which is a list from the 1851 index?
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Which source(s) used for OSM civil parishes please.

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I think it was the Memorial Atlas of Ireland, provided by NUI Galway. There 
was a layer in JOSM for tracing Civil Parishes and Baronies, I can't find it 
any more, as our infrastructure has gone done (ie maps.openstreetmap.ie)

Here is the one for Fermanagh on Mapwarper - http://mapwarper.net/maps/8294

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> During a recent talk to some genealogists I was asked which sources we used
> for adding the civil parishes back in the day.
> 
> My best memory was grouping the townlands from detail on the Sean Ruad web
> (now the core roscommon I think) which is a list from the 1851 index?
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Counties missing townlands.ie

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Yeah, there is a user going around removing admin_level from relations.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74220987 - County Derry/Londonderry
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74220718 - County Down and Ulster


On Wednesday, 6 November 2019 20:09:45 GMT Heikki Vesanto wrote:
> There were a couple of Counties missing from the main list on:
> 
> https://www.townlands.ie/
> 
> Down and Londonderry.
> 
> They were also not appearing in the Counties download from
> https://www.townlands.ie/page/download/
> 
> Looks like someone had removed the "admin_level" tag from them. I
> re-added the tag for Down yesterday and it is back up on the website,
> and added the tag for Londonderry today so should re-appear tomorrow
> once the site updates.
> 
> Something to keep an eye on.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] UCD

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Does UCD have the first edition OSI 6 inch map of Ireland (approx 1830)?

On Monday, 10 June 2019 14:50:57 IST Brian Hollinshead wrote:
> My pleasure,
> I go into the map library in UCD several times a year to meet Jane Nolan
> the librarian to discuss what is new or what is strange in mapping. Last
> summer I showed her an early version of dublinhistoricmaps.ie and she was
> very impressed and delighted even!
> 
> A few weeks ago the curator in the Irish Architectural Archive told me
> about a map of theirs from 1914 was on the UCD site and that he felt it
> would look well on dublinhistoricmap.ie and gave me permission. He also
> sent me a link to UCD. When I looked it up I saw that Jane, unknown to me,
> had put up a link to Dublinhistoricmaps.ie on their home page but
> attributed it to OSM. I am fine with that if it heightens visibility of OSM
> but realise that the directors should know of it and decide if they are
> happy with that.
> 
> see   https://libguides.ucd.ie/findingmaps/mapshistDublin
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Walking trails/cycling routes

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Apologies, in this context vandalism is either intentionally or 
unintentionally changing someone elses work whilst creating your own. 

Well the modern Ulster Way is made up of link sections as you say.  The part 
on my area is the Sliabh Beagh Way - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/
1017125

But it seems to be a full time job trying to maintain these routes due to 
people breaking them!

Like the Kingfisher Cycle Trail

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1602799

The northern loop is broken, at these points-

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1708039#map=16/54.4181/-8.0874
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1708039#map=17/54.48693/-7.72000
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1708039#map=16/54.5610/-7.8161
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1708039#map=19/54.34554/-7.63839
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1708039#map=19/54.34289/-7.64155
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1708039#map=19/54.34075/-7.64709

There must be a way to automatically finding these issues.

On Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:06:54 IST Alan Grant wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Unfortunately this seems to be a general issue with relations - I have had
> the same experience as you with walking routes, but also with public
> transport routes, and in both Spain and Ireland. I would guess that part of
> the problem is that these relations are not shown on the "standard layer"
> so mappers can easily not realise they have broken something. I recently
> found a horrible distortion in the Tipperary Heritage Way which I had left
> in good shape a year ago - it was very obvious on
> hiking.waymarked.trails.org, but easy to miss in an editor and invisible on
> any non-specialised map. I don't have any solution but would be interested
> in suggestions for monitoring specific trails - e.g. I know how to set up a
> feed for changes in a bounding box, but that doesn't really work here where
> I want to monitor changes to a single object that may extend a long
> distance.
> 
> On the Ulster Way, is part of the problem that the "modern" Ulster Way is a
> bit confusing in the real world? I am not sure how the "link sections"
> should be mapped - my understanding is that they are not waymarked on the
> ground - should they be mapped at all and if so is there verifiable data
> under a suitable licence? I think any attempt to fix the Way as a whole
> would need to set out a systematic approach to "quality sections" and "link
> section".
> 
> One small point - maybe we should avoid using the word "vandalism" as that
> might suggest intentional damage and put people on the defensive - these
> issues are almost always unintended in my experience.
> 
> Regards
> Alan
> 
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 18:24, Killyfole and District Development
> 
> Association  wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I have done a lot of work on walking and cycling routes over the years,
> > but I
> > am finding that they are constantly being vandalised, mainly by
> > inexperienced
> > users not understanding the relations and removing/amending ways without
> > also
> > fixing the relations.
> > 
> > I was wondering if there was a way to better educate new users in how
> > relations work and maybe setup a task group, who can monitor and make
> > contact
> > with people vandalising data who don't realise it and talk them through
> > what
> > they are doing wrong.  Maybe this could be automated to ping the IRC
> > channel
> > when a relation is broken?
> > 
> > I'd also like help in fixing up the existing routes, for example the
> > Ulster
> > Way, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/918951 and I'm sure there are
> > many
> > others throughout the country.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > KDDA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[OSM-talk-ie] Walking trails/cycling routes

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Hi folks,

I have done a lot of work on walking and cycling routes over the years, but I 
am finding that they are constantly being vandalised, mainly by inexperienced 
users not understanding the relations and removing/amending ways without also 
fixing the relations.

I was wondering if there was a way to better educate new users in how 
relations work and maybe setup a task group, who can monitor and make contact 
with people vandalising data who don't realise it and talk them through what 
they are doing wrong.  Maybe this could be automated to ping the IRC channel 
when a relation is broken?

I'd also like help in fixing up the existing routes, for example the Ulster 
Way, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/918951 and I'm sure there are many 
others throughout the country.

Kind regards,
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[OSM-talk-ie] Integrating OSM Data and MediaWiki

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Hi List,

So we have the amazing resource townlands.ie, which displays townland data 
from OSM nicely on a easy to navigate website.

But I have been approached many times about adding additional data to OSM for 
research purposes and to display it on townlands.ie  For example, census 
population data, research into the townland names etc. However, this data does 
not belong in OSM, so I was wondering if there would be a way to provide 
townlands pages, like on townlands.ie which could be edited and appended with 
additional information submitted by the general public?  Something like how 
wikipedia works?

Would anyone in the community know of a way of maybe integrating mediawiki 
with OSM or townlands.ie data?  Or maybe working with Rory to implement a way 
to edit pages on townlands.ie with more data?

What do you'll think?

 





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[OSM-talk-ie] Changesets by WernerP

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Today I noticed a user uploading a number of changesets to my "watched area".  
On first 
glance they appear to be adding lots of new features like buildings etc, but on 
deeper 
inspection they are doing some very strange things in each of the changeset, 
which I don't 
agree with.

1) In changeset 46517951 the user has removed tags from a way making up a 
townland 
relation, only to create a totally new way for a stream. ( 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/
#map=19/54.35902/-7.63934[1] )  as the boundary is the actual stream I can't 
understand 
why the user has made this change.

2) In changeset 46520040 the user has decided that source=Bing is wrong and 
changes it 
to source=bing for a random number of objects.  Since JOSM automatically adds 
this tag 
when bing imagery is used, why has the user decided to change this for this 
relatively 
small number of objects around Enniskillen.  Surely if this is a problem, it 
needs to be 
discussed on the mailing list in advance of such a changeset!

3) In changeset 46523754 the user has decided to create new ways for rivers and 
streams 
and to name them after the boundary they make up. ie 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/
way/369383412  

Having both PM'ed the user and added changeset comments which have went 
unanswered, I emailed the data working group to place a temporary block on the 
account.  
I notice there are other changesets throughout Ireland, so would other 
contributors in 
those areas please check the changesets.

KDDA





[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/54.35902/-7.63934
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Has the Ordnance Survey Northern Ireland (OSNI) followed the lead regarding 
Open Government Licencing?

Last time I checked the Royal Mail still claimed copyright over postcodes and 
addresses in Northern Ireland.  Something I find totally disgusting.


On Sunday, 25 September 2016 21:47:57 BST Owen Boswarva wrote:
> I can't see any reason why there should be a problem using Code-Point Open
> in OSM, now that Ordnance Survey has applied the Open Government Licence in
> place of its own licence. If you read further down, the wiki page gives
> examples of OSM projects that use Code-Point Open.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
> On 25 September 2016 at 21:34, Gervase Markham  wrote:
> 
> I hope this isn't a silly question, but: it seems like all the projects
> 
> > to free the UK postcode database (like npemap and freethepostcode)
> > closed down five or more years ago when the OS release CodePoint Open.
> > However, this data set is not suitable for use in OSM, according to:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata
> > 
> > The end result is that I still can't type UK postcodes into Nominatim,
> > the main OSM search engine, and depend on getting useful results back.
> > Which makes it, TBH, bloody useless compared to Google Maps, as 95% of
> > the address searches I do are by postcode. Example:
> > 
> > https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?
> > q=LE11+1PN=1=
> > "No results"
> > and
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=LE11%201PN#map=
> > 13/52.7747/-1.1692
> > Gives me "LE11 1##", which is not very close at all. To add insult to
> > injury, it says "Results from NPEMap/FreeThePostcode", but it seems like
> > either of those projects lets you add to their database any more!
> > Nominatim doesn't seem to turn up postcodes even if they are added to
> > objects in the OSM database as postcodes.
> > 
> > Does this not bother anyone else? It is just me? If it bothers lots of
> > people, why did those projects shut and why does no-one appear to be
> > doing anything about it? I kind of feel I must have missed something big
> > as this has seemed like an enormous glaring issue for years, but no-one
> > else seems bothered...
> > 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Church of Ireland

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If the KML was compiled by the use of a Google Maps layer then there is no way 
to sort out an OSM license, the data is polluted.

 Technically the Church of Ireland is of the Catholic Church, just not the 
Church of Rome.  I believe the term used in the Apostles' Creed is "Holy 
Catholic Church", but from reading OSM Wiki Church of Ireland should be tagged  
denomination=anglican.

Do they have the data in any other way, which isnt polluted by GM?

Id certain help out for County Fermanagh and neighbouring counties, if you can 
get a data source which is compatible with OSM.

KDDA

On Friday, 12 August 2016 15:19:17 BST Colm Moore wrote:
> Hi,
> I took the long way around to get to the supermarket and found myself
> outside Church of Ireland House in Rathmines. I spoke to one of their IT
> people and they are familiar with OSM and are favourably inclined to
> facilitating us. They can provide us with a KML of their current churches
> (and possibly other public buildings / sites). The KML file feeds these
> pages: http://ireland.anglican.org/information/dioceses/parish/14810 How do
> we go about sorting an OSM licence?
> Who will be able to help me with uploading the data? :) I'm happy to 'take
> charge' of things after that. -
> In parallel, there is a material issue with the way that religious sites are
> being labelled. Quite a few Christian denominations claim to be Catholic,
> but aren't Roman Catholic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_(term) On
> OSM, denomination=catholic (1256 entries) seems to be used interchangeably
> with denomination=roman_catholic (440). Similarly denomination=protestant
> (62) is used, which may be unthinking. That said, smaller denominations do
> sometimes share buildings / sites, e.g. Christ Church in Leeson Park has
> Methodist, Church of Ireland, Romanian Orthodox and I think one other
> Orthodox groups. Some other buildings / sites, like funeral homes and
> cemeteries carry religion=multi-denominational (2) and religion=multifaith
> (20) tags Colm
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM.org and Townlands.ie now both on NLI usefull links page.

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

A flyer about OSMIE is a brilliant idea, have we any designers could create 
one?

On Friday, 24 June 2016 15:41:42 BST Rory McCann wrote:
> That's great Brian!
> 
> Maybe at some point we should make a little flyer about OSMie to be
> able to give to people that explains all that.
> 
> On 23/06/16 22:38, Brian Hollinshead wrote:
> > The National library added OSM.org to their useful links page some
> > time ago, they have now added townlands.ie
> > 
> > http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-links.aspx
> > 
> > Also to the the PCs visitors to their genealogy services area use.
> > 
> > Maybe more of us should ask any public library we walk pass to do
> > the same, particularly one with a local studies section. I have
> > found many are unaware of us and pleased with the information. BTW
> > I introduce it as an OpenStreetMap Resource, it gets a better
> > reaction and they are less likely to regard it as another
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Re: [Talk-GB] phone boxes used for other purposes

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I think this would be a very worthy project for a bit of OSM'er time.  I have 
been working on gathering information for defibs in County Fermanagh, but it 
really needs locals who know the area to find them and add to the map.

Regarding tagging, is there a way in which we could tag a photograph of the 
defib at its location?  For example a link to a Mapillary sequence?

I created this uMap for N. Ireland - http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/
defibrillators-in-northern-ireland_57179#8/54.650/-6.852

Just thought it would be nice if a photograph of the location could be 
displayed.

Clive(KDDA)

> I've mapped one which has a defibrillator in it as building=phone_box,
> medical=defibrillator.
> 
> On the subject of defibrillators, they could make a useful GB mapping
> project. They need surveying, but it is something that both urban and
> rural mappers could get out and find on the lighter evenings.
> 
> Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Geovation - Location information innovation grants - now open for applications

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I think you are quite right Jerry, looks like participants are expected to 
travel to London?!?  Thats one way to keep the numbers down and limit it to 
the South East England area!

On Monday 15 February 2016 17:23:37 SK53 wrote:
> I think most folk on this list are fairly familiar with these: they've been
> running for quite a few years. I think CycleStreets participated in one of
> them a while back. My general impression is that the cost of participating
> is often non-trivial in comparison with the potential reward.
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

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Hi all,

In Northern Ireland we have a government body called the Northern Ireland 
Statistics and Research Agency, who work with the census data to determine the 
size and definition of a settlement - http://www.nisra.gov.uk/

Do you not have the same in the rest of the UK?

Usually when they publish a report on settlements the local newspapers write 
an article about it, the last report I read was of settlements being 
downgraded due to a decline in population.  The newspaper concluded that mass 
emigration of young people was to blame.  It was quite the talking point!

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Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries in Northern Ireland

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Hi Walter,

We don't actually have defined cities like in other parts of the world. In 
fact there are only 5 which are classed as cities.  They are Armagh, Belfast, 
Derry/Londonderry, Lisburn and Newry.

Historically, each city had its own council. But recently the councils have 
been merged into what we called super councils.   For example the new super-
council covering Armagh City, now covers a huge area and is called "Armagh 
City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council"  the only completely intact 
council being Belfast City Council.

The boundaries are defined by the OSNI/LPS and up until a few months ago all 
their data was Crown copyright.  They have started to release some data under 
an Open Government Licence but this is a slow, painful process!  The Royal 
Mail also own the addresses and postcodes here and while they have been forced 
to "open" the postcode in other parts of the UK, they still refuse to do it 
here.  This makes all data sources we would need to plot city boundaries are 
copyrighted by various organisations.

I hope this explains the situation here in "Norn Iron"

Clive (KDDA)

On Wednesday 27 January 2016 11:52:12 Walter Nordmann wrote:
> thx, Colin.
> 
> But it can't be ok that there are no city boundaries in N-I any more.
> Ok, counties may be historic now, but Cities?
> 
> see: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=belfast%2C ireland
> 
> only result is a place-node. OMG
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Schools project - update 3

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On Tuesday 26 January 2016 19:38:36 Rob Nickerson wrote:
> 6. Northern Ireland still needs some work
> If you map in Northern Ireland and want to get involved please do. Each
> extra school mapped there will help lift it off the bottom of the tracker.
> We can also look at doing some initiatives in NI if the local community
> want this. Let us know

Hi Rob,

Its this some kind of project?

Lift it off the bottom of what tracker?


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[OSM-talk-ie] Permission to use a photograph from the map Lesotho blog

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Hi folks,

I would like to use the image at the following URL:

https://maplesotho.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/img-20151204-wa0013.jpg 

To add it to the OpenStreetMap Ireland blog.  Namely, the following post by 
Dermot: 

http://www.openstreetmap.ie/90-young-mappers-and-one-flabbergasted-older-one/

Would anyone know the copyright owner and be able to ask for permission to 
publish/use it on our blog?

Clive ( KDDA )


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Permission to use a photograph from the map Lesotho blog

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Ive added it to the blog post :)  Can you check if the usage is OK?

On Wednesday 23 December 2015 21:37:56 Dave Corley wrote:
> Cleared it with Ciaran, go ahead and use it


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eir lacking proper attribution

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Nope, I can see OSM data on both sides of the border, but it only appears to 
be a roads layer from OSM they are using.  

On Monday 28 September 2015 10:24:53 moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
> On 28/09/2015, Killyfole and District Development Association
> 
> <webmas...@killyfole.org.uk> wrote:
> > The road data layer seems to be OSM on top of Google ariel imagery.
> 
> To me it's clearly Google data (and javascript) on top of...
> Digitalglobe imagery, as used by Bing and Mapbox but not GM. Easy to
> check in Kilkenny: hardly any building data (so GM data) and the
> ringroad is complete, the castle park is half-mowed (so digitalglobe
> imagery).
> 
> KDDA, maybe you are being served something different in Northern Ireland ?
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Next Meetup - Sat 12th Sept

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Who all is going tomorrow?

On Friday 11 September 2015 20:18:01 Dave Corley wrote:
> Unfortunately, due to several issues here in work, I have to work this
> weekend so I won't be able to make the event tomorrow
> 
> I've spoken with Jules at Tog and everything is still good to go
> regardless.
> 
> Sorry I won't be in attendance
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Next Meetup - Sat 12th Sept

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Sure, is that OK?

On Tuesday 08 September 2015 12:45:20 Daniel Cussen wrote:
> Can someone update:
> http://www.openstreetmap.ie/events/
> ?



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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Maybe set-up a website like Free the Postcode in the UK ?  
http://www.freethepostcode.org/  

Once the database gets to critical mass they will hopefully just open the data 
themselves, like the Post Office/Royal Mail were forced to do in the UK.  

Unfortunately, ignoring it and hoping it will go away rarely works. The 
benefits of reliable delivery of goods and services tends to outweigh the 
disadvantages with most people.  These people just want something that works!

For OSM to be useful for the masses, it needs to work with this model too.  
You type in your eircode and it finds your property, simple, no messing about 
trying to find where you want to go.

On Friday 17 Jul 2015 13:01:22 moltonel wrote:
 On 17 July 2015 11:30:55 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
 What better way to ignore than come to the conclusion that the data
 can't be included in OSM and needs to be removed when it turns up?
 
 Good point :) If Eircodes can't be collected in a public db then it's a nail
 in Eircode's coffin. If it can, it should be ok to scrape the data to reach
 a usable level of completeness and add some QA for osm.
 
 Not everybody on osm-ie is on board with the 'let it fail' tactic it seems.
 It'd be great to reach a consensus on what to do with Eircodes in OSM that
 we can post on openstreetmap.ie blog once we have all the info.
 Right now I just want to check if there are any use restrictions that
 make the situation clear or if the situation is going to remain fuzzy
 for now.
 
 Yep, let's check how fuzzy this is. First person to send a copy of the
 Eircode snailmail wins.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Things you can do with the GSGS Maps - Lake Names!

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Very true!  and its not just Germans at that carry on!

On Thursday 04 Jun 2015 13:21:22 Rory McCann wrote:
 We have enough trouble with Germans thinking our tertiary roads are
 dirt paths, without having to explain how to read Lough
 Derreenadavonia of a bad scan from 100 years ago.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Things you can do with the GSGS Maps - Lake Names!

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Is this something could be made into a Map Roulette task 
(http://maproulette.org/)?

On Wednesday 03 Jun 2015 20:39:08 Dave Corley wrote:
 This is dead handy, thanks Rory. I've named a few lakes this evening
 
 On 3 Jun 2015 15:29, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote:
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  Hi all,
  
  I hope ye are all having fun mapping all those townlands! We've just
  crossed the 50% barrier, and are almost at 30,000.
  
  A new thing you can do with the old maps is map lake names! Overpass
  Turbo can help with this.
  
  If you go to this Overpass page http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9Jw and
  zoom to an area and press run, it will show you all unnamed lakes.
  Then Export, then JOSM. It'll have opened up those unnamed lakes
  in your JOSM. Use the GSGS maps to add the name (and water=lake as
  appropriate). You don't need to download any extra data. Upload when done!
  
  It's surprising how many unnamed lakes there are in OSM, and this can
  help you really knock some off.
  
  I use JOSM's filter feature (
  https://www.mapbox.com/blog/2012-08-15-using-filters-josm/ ), with the
  query name=* and water=* to hide lakes that I've already named.
  
  Happy Mapping. :)
  
  Rory
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[OSM-talk-ie] Congratulations Stephen on 4, 021 townlands mapped !!

[Killyfole and District Development Association]

Hi folks,

Just wanted to congratulate Stephen_Co_Antrim on hitting the 4,000+ 
townlands mark, that’s quite the achievement!  Well done and keep her lit!

http://www.townlands.ie/mappers/

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