Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router

[Leon Kernan]

Sorry, scratch the oneways, i'm half asleep :-)

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Leon Kernan <lker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd fix the fact the oneways are pointed in the wrong direction, change
> trunk to trunk_link and add lanes=1.
> I'm pretty sure noname is a no no these days as well.
>
> After all that, i'd only tag a turn restriction if there is a sign
> advising such.
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Nick Hocking <nick.hock...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What do people think about the intersection at
>>
>> -33.6793339   151.264475
>>
>> The road geometry clearly indicates that there is no way you can do a
>> turn from Moan Vale Road Eastbound back down Mona Vale Road Westbound, yet
>> there are no signs saying so and I believe that most routers would suggest
>> this if you were caught out going  to opposite way that you intended.
>> Trying to do a u turn here would cause a crash quite often, I believe.
>>
>>
>> So should I add a no-u-turn restriction or not?
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router

[Leon Kernan]

I'd fix the fact the oneways are pointed in the wrong direction, change
trunk to trunk_link and add lanes=1.
I'm pretty sure noname is a no no these days as well.

After all that, i'd only tag a turn restriction if there is a sign advising
such.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Nick Hocking 
wrote:

> What do people think about the intersection at
>
> -33.6793339   151.264475
>
> The road geometry clearly indicates that there is no way you can do a
> turn from Moan Vale Road Eastbound back down Mona Vale Road Westbound, yet
> there are no signs saying so and I believe that most routers would suggest
> this if you were caught out going  to opposite way that you intended.
> Trying to do a u turn here would cause a crash quite often, I believe.
>
>
> So should I add a no-u-turn restriction or not?
>
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[talk-au] Spit Bridge road name

[Leon Kernan]

Sort of on the subject of road names.  Are there any Sydneysiders who can
tell me the name of the road itself on the Spit Bridge?

It seems to be different on both sides and LPI basemap doesn't show any
name on the Bridge itself.
At the moment the road itself is named "The Spit Bridge", along with a
bridge:name tag of Spit Bridge.

It could be Spit road or it could just as easily be Manly Road from what I
can see.  All I know is the current name just doesn't feel right to me.
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Re: [talk-au] Northern NSW again

[Leon Kernan]

I would been inclined to go with trunk too since it's an A road and has
local access like you said.

There are some missing one way tags and a section not joined at the
southern end too.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Mark Pulley  wrote:

> I’ve now been past this area to check the access on this section of the
> Great Western Highway. Between Lithgow and the Mudgee turn-off, there are
> several properties with access from the highway - this includes houses just
> next to the road (with the front yard facing the highway), and a service
> station. I’m inclined to return this section of highway from motorway to
> trunk. What does everyone else think?
>
> On 20 Dec 2015, at 9:11 am, Mark Pulley  wrote:
> > On 19 Dec 2015, at 1:20 pm, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> >> Just for info, I've suggested that a relatively new mapper in Northern
> NSW might want to contact other mappers here in a comment on
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35480438 (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/332351666 is clearly unjoined, but
> there may be other issues).
> >
> > I’ve just noticed that the same user has ‘corrected' the road type for a
> section of the Great Western Highway to motorway (between Lithgow and
> Wallerawang).
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35571830
> > Maxspeed is 110 for some of this, 100 for the rest, road is divided -
> however there is only one ‘interchange’ (part of this is an at-grade
> junction). other road junctions are at-grade intersections (not
> interchanges).
> > It also isn’t technically limited access - there is a motel and a
> service station beside the road, and I recall at least one driveway. (I’ll
> be driving on this road in a few days so I can check if needed.)
> > I’m in two minds about whether to revert this change or not. What does
> everyone else think?
>
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Re: [talk-au] Northern NSW again

[Leon Kernan]

Pretty sure I read that section has just opened.
They're probably someone from Skyscrapercity or Aussie-Highways google
group who are on the ball.

I admit I tend to leave proposed and construction ways unjoined, which is a
trap if someone else just changes the tags without looking closely at the
ends.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just for info, I've suggested that a relatively new mapper in Northern NSW
> might want to contact other mappers here in a comment on
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35480438 (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/332351666 is clearly unjoined, but
> there may be other issues).
>
> It's a similar area and the same mapper as in the thread
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2015-January/010499.html
> .  Maybe there's been a major road project there, but there do seem to be
> quite a lot of deletions in that changeset - it might need a local to
> double-check that things haven't been deleted by mistake.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data in JOSM

[Leon Kernan]

Was just having a look at this imagery in around the Sydney CBD in Potlatch
2.
It's such an improvement over Bing, no more towers obscuring all the roads!

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> On 9 December 2015 at 02:22, Simon Poole  wrote:
> > May I suggest adding similar entries to
> > https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index so that iD and other
> > editors can make the imagery available too?
>
> Done https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index/pull/118
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Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data in JOSM

[Leon Kernan]

Another fun one, they clearly took the imagery around Bathurst on the
weekend of the Bathurst 1000

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Leon Kernan <lker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Was just having a look at this imagery in around the Sydney CBD in
> Potlatch 2.
> It's such an improvement over Bing, no more towers obscuring all the roads!
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9 December 2015 at 02:22, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
>> > May I suggest adding similar entries to
>> > https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index so that iD and other
>> > editors can make the imagery available too?
>>
>> Done https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index/pull/118
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Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Airport (mapped as both node and way)

[Leon Kernan]

When I added the area there weren't a lot of airports locally tagged as
anything other than nodes.

I was probably being a little cautious at the time, i'd think it would be
safe to merge them now.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> Currently Melbourne Airport appears in the database twice, once as a node
> once as a way. Is there any reason why I should not move the tags from the
> node to the way and delete the node?
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/235151361
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/305804278
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[talk-au] Bruxner Motorway

[Leon Kernan]

It may have been a few years since I've been to northern NSW, however this
doesn't look right to me.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/-28.8528/153.4695

Anyone familiar with the area able to confirm there is/isn't a brand new
Bruxner Motorway between the Pacific Highway and Casino?
I can't find any info about it.
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Re: [talk-au] Railway in Sydney .. tagged light_rail

[Leon Kernan]

Someone probably got tangled up with the light rail at some point.

I know there are occasions i've seen massive bridges where people forgot to
split them at the end and it's quite easy to pick up the wrong relation at
times.

You are correct that a normal rail line should be railway=rail.  I'd double
check what the other members of the relation are before changing it though.
That segment might have been added to the wrong relation.


On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,
 Found it .. it is in the route relation !

 route=rail would be more appropriate?
 rather than route=light_rail ?

 Don't know thence the question.



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 Hi,

 I've noticed that the main north line railway line in Sydney is tagged
 railway=light_rail .. that does not make sense to me.

 It is of the standard gauge for Australia and carries freight! .. so
 should be tagged railway=rail?

 Ref http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Railways#Types_of_railway_line

 -
 I'm not including lines of less than standard gauge, or those not capable
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[talk-au] Railways

[Leon Kernan]

Hi all,
I've recently noticed a tenancy for people to tag railways as disused, even
when all traces have been gone for decades.
This is probably because railway=abandoned has been removed from the
rendering on openstreetmap.org (to try and stop people tagging abandoned
railways..)

Just a reminder to all that railway=abandoned is still the correct tag for
a track that doesn't exist anymore.
railway=disused is only for tracks that are still in place and able to be
used (at least in theory).

Has anyone seen a site that renders historical or current railway lines so
I can direct people there to see their work rendered?
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Re: [talk-au] Question - names of motorways leaving Sydney

[Leon Kernan]

That sounds consistent with what the rest of the country does with
alphanumerics.
Don't forget to check the route relation matches as well (if they have
one).

If people want to refer to the road as the M4 then it's still plain to see
in the ref tag and rendering.


On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote:

 When the new alphanumeric route numbers in NSW were unveiled, some of the
 motorways were renamed (e.g. Sydney-Newcastle Freeway became Pacific
 Motorway, South-Western Motorway became Hume Motorway).

 In OSM these all have the new route number included in the road name (e.g.
 name=M4 Western Motorway, rather than name=Western Motorway).

 The signs on these roads don’t include the route number as part of the
 name.

 Does anyone object if I rename these roads without the route number (route
 number will remain in the ref=* tag)? Or is there a good reason for the
 route number to remain in the name tag?

 Mark P.


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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Leon Kernan]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com
wrote:

 If they have the data, building footprints are also pretty neat.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geelong_Building_Import is one I did a
 few months ago - some of the geospatial team there are dead keen on open
 data and would no doubt be happy to talk with their melbourne counterparts
 as well


Yes, this would be great.  For people who've never seen it, check out
Geelong on http://demo.f4map.com and you can see how big building data is
going to be.

I believe some building imports are going to be essential at the start.
It's just too tedious for anyone to do large areas, even badly.
I'm working though placing basic building areas in Frankston, Seaford and
across parts of Northern Tasmania and it's just a massive task. That's not
even going into a lot of detail or adding data like height like the Geelong
data.

My hope is that by placing the basic areas down, people might find it a
little easier to add details to them later on.
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Re: [talk-au] Growth in OSM usage.

[Leon Kernan]

They are using Mapbox, which provides the attribution string (it's in the
source code) but its up to the user to display it appropriately.

Looks like they didn't read this page when they set it up:
https://www.mapbox.com/help/attribution/


On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:11 PM, stev...@email.com wrote:

 More and more people are using the data now, it is quite good and
 rewarding to know that it is useful.

 One thing I couldn't find on the website was links to the attribution etc.
 Were you able to find it?  If not either email linking melbourne with a
 polite email or let me know and I can do it.

 Cheers,
 Steve



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 Subject: [talk-au] Growth in OSM usage.


 Hi, just letting you guys know that the East-West Link page now uses a OSM
 map to show drilling locations. Link attached: 
 http://linkingmelbourne.vic.gov.au/east-west-link/technical-studies/geotechnical-studies
 .

 Thanks,

 David.



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Re: [talk-au] Railway Station naming

[Leon Kernan]

I actually think the word station on the name is coming with some form of
import of Public Transport Victoria data.
I've been cutting it off when I see it appear.

Also I've noticed people are adding closed, disused or whatever to the name
tag.
Possibly because disused isn't being rendered differently anymore on the
OSM map.


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Dssis1 david.sisour...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi, I have noticed some edits on the Werribee line (Victoria) adding
 'Station' to the end of station names. Is this correct?

 Thanks, David.



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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Leon Kernan]

Thanks Jason for contacting DWG on this.  It seems he's been issued with a
warning, we'll see if it has any impact.

Today the Western highway has been upgraded again after it had been
reverted to normal.
I notice that supposedly we have tunnelled around Beaufort now,  As a
Victorian taxpayer i'd like to know how we can afford these tunnels as long
as the East-West link! :-p

One positive in this, it's got me to start using JOSM a little.  I might
just change over from Potlatch 2 yet..



On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi DWG (CC talk-au list),

 Below is a segment of a discussion on talk-au regarding edits made by
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/robbief14.

 He is unresponsive to messages sent via OSM and continues to add and
 remove content that has been established as incorrect.  I am notifying you
 as users within the talk-au discussion have established some actions within
 his edits to be vandalism (with some rollbacks by users being re-added back
 in by this user).

 If you have any questions please contact the guys on the list and I
 apologise if you have been notified separately to my comms (no-one was
 nominated or volunteered so I just sent this message).

 Cheers,

 Jason


 On 16 February 2014 08:31, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again.  Just as I finished
 fixing some of them from last time...

 Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the
 talk-GB list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the Data
 Working Group involved to deal with him?  At the least, I believe every one
 of his edits in Australia is bogus.

 I've checked the following:
  He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again.  I can say with
 certainty that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities
 future plans.
  There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney
 that I believe is still in the planning phase.

  The Adelaide northern connector is also in the planning phase (still
 not funded according to their website) and sure enough, he's made it
 complete.

 Look at this minor example:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261508781#map=19/-37.56324/143.93172

 There is no justification for adding those ramps, which would be
 dangerous if they were actually built like that.


 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:49 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
  wrote:

 There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081

 Are they valid?

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

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No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again.  Just as I finished
fixing some of them from last time...

Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the talk-GB
list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the Data Working
Group involved to deal with him?  At the least, I believe every one of his
edits in Australia is bogus.

I've checked the following:
 He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again.  I can say with certainty
that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities future plans.
 There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney that
I believe is still in the planning phase.

 The Adelaide northern connector is also in the planning phase (still
not funded according to their website) and sure enough, he's made it
complete.

Look at this minor example:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261508781#map=19/-37.56324/143.93172

There is no justification for adding those ramps, which would be dangerous
if they were actually built like that.


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:49 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:

 There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081

 Are they valid?

 Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Leon Kernan]

Problem is that some of these were tagged under construction where
appropriate.  He's just changing them to open and sometimes adding his own
embellishments.



On Sunday, February 16, 2014, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:

  Some don't read their email

 How about
 marking the things he is adding -
 under construction - so they don't apear on maps
 Nameing them Reiff14 READ YOUR EMAIL!
 Adding Note with the same as name...

 Note I've not used his actual 'name' .. but I'd think that may get through?
 There is a twitter account with that name ... and a mapmy person with the
 same name too...



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 No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again.  Just as I finished
 fixing some of them from last time...

  Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the
 talk-GB list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the Data
 Working Group involved to deal with him?  At the least, I believe every one
 of his edits in Australia is bogus.

  I've checked the following:
  He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again.  I can say with
 certainty that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities
 future plans.
  There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney that
 I believe is still in the planning phase.

   The Adelaide northern connector is also in the planning phase
 (still not funded according to their website) and sure enough, he's made it
 complete.

  Look at this minor example:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261508781#map=19/-37.56324/143.93172

  There is no justification for adding those ramps, which would be
 dangerous if they were actually built like that.


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 There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081

 Are they valid?

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Leon Kernan]

What a mess.  I've been trying to revert his edits with not much luck.
There is a problem with relations that i can't get the revert tool to
figure out.

Can someone with a bit more experience with JOSM and reverter please take a
look at changeset #20390092 ?



On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote:

 On 11 Feb 2014, at 2:03 am, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
 wrote:

  Just for a info, the people on the talk-gb list have noticed a number of
 edits upgrading unfinished motorways to constructed status.  The same
 user has made similar edits in Australia, the most recent of which is:


 Here's another one, done about half an hour ago. I haven't reverted it at
 this stage.

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20497896

 'North South Motorway' in Adelaide.

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Leon Kernan]

Shepparton bypass is still at the proposed stage according to Vicroads.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/RoadProjects/PlanningAndProposals/Regional/GoulburnValleyHighwayShepparton.htm


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:03 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:

 Just for a info, the people on the talk-gb list have noticed a number of
 edits upgrading unfinished motorways to constructed status.  The same
 user has made similar edits in Australia, the most recent of which is:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20479197

 Are these valid (i.e. have these roads been completed ahead of schedule)
 or is there a problem here as well?

 Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Leon Kernan]

And going through his other edits, the Western Highway around Ballarat
needs to be reverted to construction.
Clearly he has no idea what he is doing here.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Shepparton bypass is still at the proposed stage according to Vicroads.


 http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/RoadProjects/PlanningAndProposals/Regional/GoulburnValleyHighwayShepparton.htm


 On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:03 AM, SomeoneElse 
 li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:

 Just for a info, the people on the talk-gb list have noticed a number of
 edits upgrading unfinished motorways to constructed status.  The same
 user has made similar edits in Australia, the most recent of which is:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20479197

 Are these valid (i.e. have these roads been completed ahead of schedule)
 or is there a problem here as well?

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Leon Kernan]

Sorry guys, another one.

This change is just pure vandalism.  He's created non-existent freeways and
roads around Ballarat.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20425446


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 And going through his other edits, the Western Highway around Ballarat
 needs to be reverted to construction.
 Clearly he has no idea what he is doing here.


 On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Shepparton bypass is still at the proposed stage according to Vicroads.


 http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/RoadProjects/PlanningAndProposals/Regional/GoulburnValleyHighwayShepparton.htm


 On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:03 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
  wrote:

 Just for a info, the people on the talk-gb list have noticed a number of
 edits upgrading unfinished motorways to constructed status.  The same
 user has made similar edits in Australia, the most recent of which is:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20479197

 Are these valid (i.e. have these roads been completed ahead of schedule)
 or is there a problem here as well?

 Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] Vandalism in Sydney OSM data ?

[Leon Kernan]

That is so frustrating, i spent a bit of time a few months back smoothing
out a lot of the issues there, making curves a sensible radius, etc.
Like you, i'm not sure how to go about reverting.

I did notice user nadeem41 has made a mess of the cross city tunnel as
well, i'm wondering if it's related. If anyone can tell me what he means by
the comment in changeset 18489150:  city divided into equal area grid for
data updation. cleaning project



On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Peter Watson peter.bmwk7...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have had a look but I don't have the expertise to revert the damage,
 many of the tunnels are missing. These edits go back to at least the
 6-10-13.

 Peter W34


 On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Frank Hummel crea...@gmx.net wrote:

 Hello *Aussie mappers*

 By chance I found the following problem: It seems that there happened
 some vandalism (or someone who did some very unhappy changes) in Sydney.
 Long parts of Sussex Street disappeared, as well as the Cross City Tunnel.
 Maybe there is someone who has better knowledge than me in searching for
 the lost information and reverting it.

 Thx

 Creando from germany, visiting Australia from next week on :-)

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Re: [talk-au] Vandalism in Sydney OSM data ?

[Leon Kernan]

I've done a little more investigation, turns out potlatch 1 still exists
and can still show deleted ways.
He certainly did delete the Eastern Distributor at least according to the
inspector, the changeset was 18208802 (description: wrong links).

Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, i'm more interesting in figuring
out how to restore the missing data at the moment,


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 He had imported some grid squares into OSM, as well as some earlier stuff
 that I reverted. That particular changeset and the revert aren’t related to
 the missing stuff.

 ** **

 I’m inviting him to come to the lists to discuss their edits.

 ** **

 *From:* Leon Kernan [mailto:lker...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2013 2:54 PM
 *To:* Peter Watson
 *Cc:* Open Street Map au Forum
 *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Vandalism in Sydney OSM data ?

 ** **

 That is so frustrating, i spent a bit of time a few months back smoothing
 out a lot of the issues there, making curves a sensible radius, etc.

 Like you, i'm not sure how to go about reverting.  

 ** **

 I did notice user nadeem41 has made a mess of the cross city tunnel as
 well, i'm wondering if it's related. If anyone can tell me what he means by
 the comment in changeset 18489150:  city divided into equal area grid
 for data updation. cleaning project

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Re: [talk-au] Vandalism in Sydney OSM data ?

[Leon Kernan]

And it looks like you beat me to it :-)


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've done a little more investigation, turns out potlatch 1 still exists
 and can still show deleted ways.
 He certainly did delete the Eastern Distributor at least according to the
 inspector, the changeset was 18208802 (description: wrong links).

 Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, i'm more interesting in figuring
 out how to restore the missing data at the moment,


 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 He had imported some grid squares into OSM, as well as some earlier stuff
 that I reverted. That particular changeset and the revert aren’t related to
 the missing stuff.

 ** **

 I’m inviting him to come to the lists to discuss their edits.

 ** **

 *From:* Leon Kernan [mailto:lker...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2013 2:54 PM
 *To:* Peter Watson
 *Cc:* Open Street Map au Forum
 *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Vandalism in Sydney OSM data ?

 ** **

 That is so frustrating, i spent a bit of time a few months back smoothing
 out a lot of the issues there, making curves a sensible radius, etc.

 Like you, i'm not sure how to go about reverting.  

 ** **

 I did notice user nadeem41 has made a mess of the cross city tunnel as
 well, i'm wondering if it's related. If anyone can tell me what he means by
 the comment in changeset 18489150:  city divided into equal area grid
 for data updation. cleaning project

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Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects?

[Leon Kernan]

You can select the object in Potlatch 2, go to advanced view and click the
objects id number at the top of the panel.
That will give you a history of that object only.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.auwrote:

 Hi

 I am working my way around the State and noticed a few edits to tracks
 that I have put in.  The history function option in Polatch 2 is annoying
 as it gets swamped with global changes.  All I want to do is select an
 object and have the history of changes showing and more importantly who is
 doing them.  Is there a way of doing this?

 Cheers Brett

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Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing objects?

[Leon Kernan]

Ah hah, so it probably me you were looking for in the first place then. :-p

I noticed Great Lake had vanished in Tassie and returned it back to a
normal poly the other day.
I'll leave it alone now since your playing with it.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.auwrote:

 Hi Leon

 Brilliant.  Just what I was after.  Now to work on mapping large lakes
 using multipolygon relationships to overcome the 2000 point maximum number
 of nodes.  Think I am gradually winning on that with Lake Ina test!

 Cheers Brett

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 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:25:08 +1000
 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Any sensible way to establish who is changing
 objects?
 From: lker...@gmail.com
 To: brussell...@live.com.au
 CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org


 You can select the object in Potlatch 2, go to advanced view and click the
 objects id number at the top of the panel.
 That will give you a history of that object only.


 On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.auwrote:

 Hi

 I am working my way around the State and noticed a few edits to tracks
 that I have put in.  The history function option in Polatch 2 is annoying
 as it gets swamped with global changes.  All I want to do is select an
 object and have the history of changes showing and more importantly who is
 doing them.  Is there a way of doing this?

 Cheers Brett

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[talk-au] OSM in the High Speed rail study

[Leon Kernan]

I was looking through the information regarding the High Speed rail study
that the government is talking about and thought the detailed maps looked
familiar.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rail/trains/high_speed/corridor/
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Re: [talk-au] Importing locality names from GeoScience Australiadataset.

[Leon Kernan]

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.comwrote:


 What we should do (IMHO) is grab the data (if its licence is compatable
 with OSM) then use it to go check out (survey) actual areas of Australia
 and put in any of it that we can verify as real and accurate. If we do this
 then we greatly improve the map but just importing the entire low quality
 data would be disastrous.


Agreed, Before this discussion came up i'd already deleted some of these
around my local area since they were duplicating the place nodes we already
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Re: [talk-au] import of state borders?

[Leon Kernan]

Hi Nick,
Was looking at Victoria/Tasmania border and I have a feeling it's not quite
right in OSM.

According to several sources, Boundary Islet is north east of Hogan Island,
not north. OSM doesn't seem to have it traced at all yet.

OSM:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-39.2245lon=146.9982zoom=13layers=M

Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

http://www.ga.gov.au/education/geoscience-basics/dimensions/state-territory-borders.html
(refers to North East Islet being renamed Boundary Islet)

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/States-divided-between-Diemen-and-deep-blue-sea/2005/01/19/1106110810527.html


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.comwrote:

 OK - I've just completed the arduous task of reinstating the complete
 Victoria/Tasmania border!

 Also I'll check out the S.A Victoria border to see if it conforms with the
 disputed area.


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Re: [talk-au] maxspeed - best practice?

[Leon Kernan]

Most software will make assumptions about the max speed based on road type
if it's not specified (for better or worse).
Having it recorded is still the best way if known though.

Also today, Vicroads has announced that speed zones will be changing
around Victoria again. Getting rid of 70's and 90's this time.
Keeping up with the changes is a full time job.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 a) The thing is, if you don't tag maxspeed=50, then how do tell a
 residential road that is known to be maxspeed=50, against one that is just
 un-surveyed, and might be maxspeed=30,40 or 60?

 c) source:maxspeed=sign is clearly correct if there is a sign. If you've
 surveyed around an area, and there isn't a sign, personally I'd tag
 source:maxspeed=survey.  The alternative here, would be
 source:maxspeed=default or some such, but given our history of tagging
 site unseen.   It  I think this is best avoided. Same goes for
 source=implied for the same reason.  If you've visited and determined the
 speed limit, it is a survey.   maxspeed=local_knowledge if you drive around
 the residential streets in your area all the time, and you just know they
 are all 50km/h.

 Just an aside,  a simple case study in presumptions.  Probably the most
 popular OSM open source router is OSRM.  The speedprofiles for that project
 you can see here

 https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM/blob/master/speedprofile.ini

 I believe OSRM will use a maxspeed on a street if it finds one, so once
 you start marking maxspeeds it makes sense to mark others around them,
 otherwise a maxspeed=40 road will become a preferred road over other
 residentials and secondaries.

 I'm sure the motivation for tagging all residentials as maxspeed=50 was
 partly an attempt to address this issue.

 Of course, there is a good argument for this being fixed in OSRM, or in
 post-processing the AU data, etc.

 Ian.


 On 14 August 2012 15:30, Ben Johnson tangarar...@gmail.com wrote:

 In regards to residential areas - I remember last year there was some
 talk about the bot that added 50 with the (incorrect) maxspeed:source
 key = default residential speed limit in Australia  and I think there was
 consensus in the local community that this was a mistake.

 With remapping some of my local areas, I'm now curious what's best
 practice in Australia is for tagging maxspeed on residential streets.
 Specifically...

 a) is it even necessary or desirable to explicitly define maxspeed for
 every residential way - or should we just presume any highway=residential
 is maxspeed=50, unless otherwise stated?

 b) if presumptions do exist, should 50 zones on tertiary and unclassified
 ways be explictly tagged ?

 c) if tagging maxspeed on every street, in respect to source... does a
 simple source:maxspeed=sign suffice for the general area or only for the
 specific way on which the sign is placed?  I notice these residential 50
 speed signs are often on tertiary streets, or gateway points into general
 residential areas.  Side-streets obviously share the 50 limit, but are
 mostly not signposted. Do we need a new standard source value like
 source:maxspeed=implied for the side streets ?

 Sorry if I'm re-covering old ground - I'm just not sure where it was
 left... if anywhere!

 Thanks in advance.. BJ


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Re: [talk-au] City routing grid for Australia and the US

[Leon Kernan]

Hi, I've found an issue with this that will stop the Perth - Adelaide
results ever being green.
Google routes via a ferry across the Spencer Gulf, which gives it an
advantage.
Otherwise OSM is routing perfectly via Port Augusta, it's just longer than
the Google results.


On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 Inspired by the US 250 cities routing grid[1] used in the original TIGER
 cleanup in 2009, I have now created a similar routing grid for the USA
 and Australia.

 Australia: http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/aus_routing_grid.html
 USA: http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html

 It takes the top cities of the country and calculates the routing
 distances between them and displays the result in a routing grid. It
 allows to check the top tear inter city road network. Unusually long
 routes are likely caused by broken data and indicates where things need
 fixing.

 In the grid, all routes that are more than 5% longer or slower than
 expected* are show in red, otherwise they are considered as
 superficially OK. The reference values are in brackets. If you click on
 the link, you will be sent to the detailed routing information.

 Unfortunately the situation, particularly in Australia, is pretty bad.
 In Australlia currently non of the routes between the top ten cities
 pass this criterion and in fact most of the routes can't be calculated
 at all any more due to disconnectedness of the road network.

 So for all those who are finished remapping their own area and are
 looking to help with a bit of armchair mapping, trying to get more of
 these routes green could be a good idea for arm chair mappers. Let's see
 how quickly we can get all of them green!

 The routing information is calculated using the Open Source Routing
 Machine ( http://map.project-osrm.org/ ) and if I am not mistaken,
 updates its data once a day. I will equally try and recreate those grids
 on a daily basis to help track progress on the remapping.

 Happy remapping,

 Kai

 * The time and distance that is expected is currently determined using
 google's directions API. Although not perfect by any means, it is
 probably the most reliable source for now as a reference.



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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Leon Kernan]

Don't worry too much about the Hume, it's almost fixed as far as i can tell. 
I think I fixed the last issue affecting routing between Melbourne and Sydney 
tonight. (hopefully)

South west sydney is full of broken roads.  
I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a look, i'm 
not game to get too far into that mess.

If you need a change, Adelaide is also a huge mess.

On 24/07/2012, at 8:34 PM, Michael Hampson wrote:

 Hi Brian,
 
 Good have you on board Brian. Take a look at the Hume Hwy and M5 motorway if 
 you get a chance. Both head south west out of Sydney.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael 
 On 24/07/2012 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle wrote:
 Hi All
 
 I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways 
 and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if 
 there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now 
 pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing 
 which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It 
 also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some 
 favourite places virtually!
 
 Regards
 
 Brian
 
 
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Re: [talk-au] City routing grid for Australia and the US

[Leon Kernan]

I've done a bit of work on the Hume Freeway / Highway tonight and it's not
in too bad shape.
The main problem area is around Yass.  I haven't worked further north than
that yet.

Hopefully it's not too far from being able to turn the Melbourne - Sydney
grid green again.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:26 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:

 On 22/07/12 09:31, Nick Hocking wrote:

 Excellent stuff Kai, Canberra-Adelaide will be underway soon. Right
 after Golf that is :-) Unfortunately, I know what's going to happen -
 I'll be zipping along the highways and will be sidetracked into
 fixing up every country town I pass that I have mapped in the past.
 I'll see if I make make it to Cootamundra tonight!


 I put Burley Griffin Way (Bowning - Wallendbeen section) back in a
 couple of days ago!

 I did most of Binalong a few weeks ago.

 There's still stuff to fix around Harden, and I haven't checked Coota.

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Redaction bot working on Australia

[Leon Kernan]

Well, there goes the neighbourhood :-)   (literally!)
I didn't even realise it had moved from Europe to America yet.
Thanks for mentioning it.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello

 I've been watching the progress of the bot on North America and it
 seems to have mostly finished there. It is now working on Australia:
 starting from the South and working northwards. I suspect it will be
 done by the end of today, but the high rate of redactions required
 might slow it down.

 In lieu of a midnight announcement by someone in UK or Europe I
 thought I'd mention it here.

 If you've missed the various announcements you can monitor progress
 here:
 http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php
 and see the edits at
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/OSMF%20Redaction%20Account/edits

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Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

[Leon Kernan]

For those interested in when and how the maxspeed change was done, here's a
couple of changesets to start looking at (and i'm sure there are others
around the same time)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5167338
eset/5167338 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5167338
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5170986


On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote:

 The maxspeed change was applied to all highway=residential ways with no
 maxspeed afaik.

 It was not done with a not account.

 This was some months ago now.

   - Ben.

 Ben Kelley
 On Dec 18, 2011 1:48 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote:

  Thanks Richard and Steve for your ideas.  I've started using the licence
  check plugin... and now getting disheartened at the extent of the
  non-agreeing data!  :-(
 
  Ah well.  I rather want to keep mapping, and not wait till this is all
  resolved... so I think I shall just fix (as in, recreate) those ways
 with a
  v1 decliner, and ignore the rest for the time being.  Seems silly to be
  manually removing every maxspeed=50 anyway; that's the sort of thing
 the
  machine will do when the time comes.

 Did the maxspeed bot use a bot account, or the bot tag on changesets?

 Do you (collectively or individually) have an analysis of the maxspeed
 bot changes?  Are those the only aspects tainting a large number of
 objects?

 How would you feel about running a repair bot?

 Best regards,
 Richard

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Re: [talk-au] Intersections

[Leon Kernan]

I've just done a pass over the area and hopefully fixed a lot of issues.
Hope no-one minds that I've ripped out a lot of the unnecessary ways.
 Found a couple of oneways pointing to dead ends, not to mention roads
crossing without junctions.

Turns out they went for several km's up Burwood Highway from Knox shopping
centre toward Belgrave.

I'll check back when keepright updates and see if I've stuffed anything up
in the process.


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:45 PM, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:

  Gday Ross -
 
  Good news is there are mappers out there who'd love the challenge of
  fixing this intersection up, so instead of letting this bring you
  down, I think a better idea is to report this on openstreetbugs. The
  Melbourne region is 'clean' of bugs which to me indicates either
  nobody reports them, or somebody does a great job at fixing them.
 
  Also I read somewhere that OSM encourages contributors to be bold
  when it comes to fixing others mistakes, so I wouldn't hesitate to
  dive in and get your hands dirty if you're keen.

 Well aware of this, but there's only so much time.  Currently I'm
 eradicating all oneway=-1 within Australia.  Reversing the way and
 changing it to oneway=yes.  Came across these intersections while doing
 this.

  Cheers,
  Ben
 
  PS - my first post to the list. Please forgive me if I've not followed
  some special protocol.

 Well done and welcome.

 Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] Intersections

[Leon Kernan]

Oh crap, i've just discovered the same thing at the junction of Mountain
Highway, Wantirna Road and Boronia Road.
Backup please!


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just done a pass over the area and hopefully fixed a lot of issues.
 Hope no-one minds that I've ripped out a lot of the unnecessary ways.
  Found a couple of oneways pointing to dead ends, not to mention roads
 crossing without junctions.

 Turns out they went for several km's up Burwood Highway from Knox shopping
 centre toward Belgrave.

 I'll check back when keepright updates and see if I've stuffed anything up
 in the process.



 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:45 PM, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:

  Gday Ross -
 
  Good news is there are mappers out there who'd love the challenge of
  fixing this intersection up, so instead of letting this bring you
  down, I think a better idea is to report this on openstreetbugs. The
  Melbourne region is 'clean' of bugs which to me indicates either
  nobody reports them, or somebody does a great job at fixing them.
 
  Also I read somewhere that OSM encourages contributors to be bold
  when it comes to fixing others mistakes, so I wouldn't hesitate to
  dive in and get your hands dirty if you're keen.

 Well aware of this, but there's only so much time.  Currently I'm
 eradicating all oneway=-1 within Australia.  Reversing the way and
 changing it to oneway=yes.  Came across these intersections while doing
 this.

  Cheers,
  Ben
 
  PS - my first post to the list. Please forgive me if I've not followed
  some special protocol.

 Well done and welcome.

 Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping things that no longer exist

[Leon Kernan]

Stephen,
Your right, on google you can see track marks. That actually surprised me
because i've never actually noticed them when i drive through there!

The rest is long gone, and i'm pretty sure they didn't just bury it since
there are houses and shops built on the old alignment.  The shopping centre
also has an underground car park, so there won't be much there either.

My main reason for asking was that i have actually removed this once and it
was re-added.

I was hoping to get some more opinions and see what the general view is
about this.
My view is remove it, if it was a building that had been demolished and
replaced, we wouldn't still keep the old one in the data.



On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ben,

 True.  But it also says that it is supposed to be showing a still
 physically visible item.  Cuttings, grading, a physical scar on the
 landscape.  If it was on an area that's been completely built over so
 that you would have no way of knowing something was ever there, then
 I'd change the tag.  That's not an abandoned railway, that's land that
 used to have a railway on it once, which is not the same thing.

 Now, I might leave the way itself, and put a note on it.  We may
 eventually come up with the historical mapping people have been
 talking about for years  But I wouldn't tag it as railway=abandoned if
 you can see no sign of it on the ground.

 Note that, in this case, looking at the Nepean Highway in Google
 Streetview, there are some visible track lines where the line crossed
 it, which makes me suspect  they just buried the track there. If it
 was that visible everywhere, I'd have no problem with marking it as
 railway=abandoned But I can't see it anywhere else, and it goes right
 through buildings.


 Stephen


 On 16 October 2011 05:45, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi.
 
  The definition of railway=abandoned does include places where the track
 and
  infrastructure have been removed.
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Railway#Explanation_of_railway.3Dabandoned
 
  I guess over time, what was once a railway may become something else
 though.
 
- Ben.
 

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Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

[Leon Kernan]

 
 I've taken the opposite approach, I'm still adding to osm from nearmap, gps 
 and bing as those edits will go into fosm.org as fosm is doing minutely 
 updates from osm.
 
 When we are locked out completely and all my edits are removed from osm they 
 will still be in fosm without duplication and I will they start adding to 
 fosm then.
 

Agreed, thats the same approach that i'm taking.
Since i also use the Australian extracts from www.osmaustralia.org, i need to 
edit osm to make use of my updates.

Hopefully soon someone will set up extracts from fosm, i wish i had the 
facilities to do it myself.


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Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

[Leon Kernan]

 If you are running linux then it's easy.

 Download a planet file from where ever.

 Extract the au data using osmosis.

 Use the au data as you normally would.

 Just out of curiosity what are you using the data in.



At the moment i dump OSM data into a sqlite database with the spatialite
addon.
I've got a computer installed in my car and the applications i've written
use the data to provide navigation and a few other features.

Setting all that up isn't worthwhile at the moment while someone else is
able to provide extracts already prepared.
Also a lot of bandwidth i don't have to get that first planet file.

I guess it is something to think about when i get locked out of osm however.
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Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

[Leon Kernan]

 Neat - any links/info on what you are using for navigation ?


 I've been developing my apps in Visual Basic 2010 and running on Windows 7
in the car.

The routing is provided by the spatialite addon to sqlite. Basically i can
do a single sql query with a start and end node and it will return a last of
all ways required to get from a to b.

Spatialite also includes tools to get the basic OSM file into the sql
database in the appropriate geometry format.
I only have to do a bit of massaging after to get things like maxspeed and
route relations included.

Heres a link to the spatialite website:
http://www.gaia-gis.it/spatialite/
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence

[Leon Kernan]

 More importantly is it a official OSMF or semi-official LWG email, or just
 some pro-ODbL people spamming everyone?


Pretty sure it's the last one. I received it a few weeks back, even through
i'd put a note on my OSM user page saying i didn't want it.

I'm sure i've seen something on the OSM wiki about it, and there is the
following on the top right of the odbl.de page:


 If you want to ask a user about the ODbL:

1. First check if the user hasn’t accepted already by clicking on the
„H“ next to the username on this page (because this stats are only updated
once a week) and if nobody else has bothered the user before (see the
list in the 
 wikihttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL
)


1. check the OSM user page (click on the username on this page) and the
wiki page of the user (click on the “W” next to the username on this page)


1. do a web search on discussions of the user about the ODbL (click on
the “S” next to the username on this page)

 Please write a friendly mail, asking if the user already knows about the
 licence change, where he could read more about the topic and how he could
 accept the licence.
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

[Leon Kernan]

 Supposedly it sends you to this flippant page if you decline the CT:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined



I think the lolcat picture on that page tells us exactly what they think of
those of us that won't / can 't / don't want to accept their terms.

Certainly helps give the impression of a professional organisation... (not)
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Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline

[Leon Kernan]

There seems to be an unintended side effect to this statement:
 The maritime borders are 12nm out to sea from the coastline.

Bass Strait seems to have been given over to international waters according
to that statement.
There are some weird lines around Vic / Tas and the Bass Strait islands at
the moment on zoom level 7 which i assume are linked to this converstation.




On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:35 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 25 May 2010 20:28, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
  You still haven't explained how to check the whole coastline is joined
 with
  JOSM. You mensioned JOSM has a validation checker that should be used for
  this kind of thing.

 Click to display the validation plugin panel or press Alt+Shift+V then
 click on the validate button, make sure nothing is selected or only
 the selection with be validated, you could make things a little more
 specific by first searching for natural=coastline segments.

  The renders I create for Garmin Mapsource has problems if the coastline
  isn't joined.

 So does mapnik, but they cheated to get round most problems by
 creating a shape file first.

  The 2000 node limit for polygons is documented to be over come by using a
  relation.

 Which was made redundent by creating shape files from the coastline
 segments before relations existed, although this is probably still a
 lot more useful.

  The maritime borders are 12nm out to sea from the coastline. See below
 link.

 Yes, but coastlines should be much less nodes otherwise you start
 hitting problems similar to those in the Philippines...

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Re: [talk-au] More NearMap Sydney imagery...

[Leon Kernan]

Could you please post the settings you used to get Merkaartor showing
nearmap tiles?
I've been trying for a few days and none of the tms server settings i tried
have worked.


On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org wrote:

 Haven't checked in the last 24 hours, but yesterday I cleared the 700Mb
 cache
 that Merkaartor had built up of Eastern suburbs around Melbourne, but still
 were getting a mix of tiles(old/new) around the zoom 19 level.When I
 checked with a web browser it still seems to be a mix, not sure if it could
 be
 ISP caching?

 Guess it best to wait a few days,

 Evan


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Re: [talk-au] More NearMap Sydney imagery...

[Leon Kernan]

Sorry, i've never used JOSM personally, however there is some info in the
wiki on getting Nearmap working in JOSM
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#JOSM

Franc, thanks for the patch for Merkaartor, i've recomplied with it and it
works perfectly. Hope the developers can get it into the next version.



On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:

 And what about JOSM? So far I've just been using Potlatch because it
 just works. What do I have to do to get Nearmap going in JOSM?

 On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:
  Could you please post the settings you used to get Merkaartor showing
  nearmap tiles?
  I've been trying for a few days and none of the tms server settings i
 tried
  have worked.

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