Re: [Talk-se] HOT OSM Tasks - Hur gör vi validering smidigast?
No worries. I merely meant to convey that I cede to your greater experience. No offence taken. And thank you for setting this up. It feels very good to be able to contribute. -- Björn On 24 July 2018 9:22:01 pm Blake Girardot wrote: 2018-07-24 19:59 GMT+02:00 Björn Stenberg : Ok, I stand corrected. -- Björn Hi Björn, I did not mean to 'correct' you, I hope it did not sound like that :) I am just saying what we usually do :) As long as everyone is friendly in communications to other mappers, everyone is free to do as they feel is best :) Respectfully, blake ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] HOT OSM Tasks - Hur gör vi validering smidigast?
2018-07-24 19:59 GMT+02:00 Björn Stenberg : > Ok, I stand corrected. > -- > Björn Hi Björn, I did not mean to 'correct' you, I hope it did not sound like that :) I am just saying what we usually do :) As long as everyone is friendly in communications to other mappers, everyone is free to do as they feel is best :) Respectfully, blake ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts
FYI, I'm in communication with Lantmäteriet regarding allowing OSM to use
their aerial photos and terrain model (and possible more if we find use for
it) for mapping the affected areas where the firefighters will be
commissioned. It's been a bit troublesome getting in touch with the right
people via my old contacts due to vacations etc, but I'm pretty sure
they're on it now. Have at least one person up there in their hierarchy
helping me now, and I'm also in contact with their department that can
override standard policies and hands out data in crisis situations.
We can only hope for the best.
2018-07-24 16:33 GMT+02:00 NKA mapper :
> The topowebb imagery is already predefined in JOSM. You simply open the
> imagery menu in JOSM when panning over Sweden. There are also other useful
> imagery predefined in JOSM and in iD, including the entire road network
> from Trafikverket.
>
> The Swedish mappers on this list may want to consider asking Lantmäteriet
> for permission to use their orthophoto wms service for tracing. It is
> available here for JOSM (after getting the permission): https://kso.
> etjanster.lantmateriet.se/karta/ortofoto/wms/v1.2?
> LAYERS=orto050,orto025=image/png=TRUE&
> STYLES=default,default=WMS=1.1.1&
> REQUEST=GetMap={proj}={bbox}={width}={height}
> (You need to select projection 3006 in JOSM first.)
>
> We recently received permission to use the national orthophotos in Norway
> for OSM, and national othophoto services are also available for OSM in
> Finland and Denmark, so Sweden is the only Nordic country without
> othophotos available for OSM. As in Sweden, the Norwegian orthophotos are
> not open data, but is was nonetheless possible to get an explicit
> permission for OSM. We discussed the case directly with Kartverket, our
> Lantmäteriet equivalent, and then submitted this formal request:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ALN523MHK66Q1yPg7ttVJ30mQhXzVNWM.
>
> You may also want to ask for permission to use the Swedish digital terrain
> model. It is very useful for mapping tracks and paths which are hard to
> discover in orthophotos due to the forest. The shaded relief representation
> of the model is available here for JOSM (after getting the permission):
> https://kso.etjanster.lantmateriet.se/karta/hojdmodell/wms/v1?
> LAYERS=terrangskuggning=image/png=
> TRUE=default=WMS=1.1.1=
> GetMap={proj}={bbox}={width}={height}
> (You need to select projection 3006 in JOSM first.)
>
> In the meantime, this wms service may help identifying the areas with
> fires in JOSM: https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/wms/?FORMAT=
> image/PNG=1.1.1=WMS=GetMap&
> LAYERS=fires_modis_7,fires_viirs_7=={proj}&
> WIDTH={width}={height}={bbox}
>
> This service displays 7 days MODIS and VIIRS data, updated every hour.
>
> /NKA
>
> Den tir. 24. jul. 2018 kl. 15:37 skrev Blake Girardot >:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am sure you all know of this already but, if anyone wants to double
>> check and make sure no new layers have been added that might help your
>> mapping:
>>
>> If anyone knows how to add WMTS imagery to JOSM, you can explore this
>> list of available layers:
>>
>> https://api.lantmateriet.se/open/topowebb-ccby/v1/wmts/token/
>> 9b342b7d9f12d4ddb92277be9869d860/?request=getcapabilities=wmts
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> blake
>>
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Re: [Talk-se] HOT OSM Tasks - Hur gör vi validering smidigast?
Ok, I stand corrected. -- Björn On 24 July 2018 6:58:41 pm Blake Girardot wrote: Hi Christoffer, Generally we ask people doing validation to fix or add what is missing if they have time. The goal is to get good data quickly, so just fixing/adding it while you are there is best. If you do not have time or there is too much to do, you can invalidate so hopefully someone else will come along and fix / finish it. Then in the comment box we usually " @username This looks great, thank you for mapping. I did add in some of the smaller roads and tagged the forest road as a track" to help them learn, but at the same time, we get the data done :) Respectfully, blake 2018-07-24 16:29 GMT+02:00 Christoffer Holmstedt : Blake Girardot delade i tidigare mailtråd nedanstående länk och det är några som har börjat beta av diverse rutor. Jag började validera en ruta och har några frågor om hur andra anser att vi bör arbeta. Någon som har erfarenhet från andra HOT OSM tasks får gärna dela med sig. https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE Fråga: Ska jag som validerar en ruta korrigera fel jag hittar/lägga till saker som saknas eller bara informera via webbportalen så att den som redigerade från början får fixa själv (varje ruta har en liten diskussionstråd)? -> just nu tror jag det mest pragmatiska är att korrigera kartan själv _och_ skriva i webbportalen som information. Att validera valideraren får bli en övning för framtiden kanske. Med vänlig hälsning -- Christoffer Holmstedt ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se -- Blake Girardot OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot skype: jblakegirardot ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] HOT OSM Tasks - Hur gör vi validering smidigast?
Hi Christoffer, Generally we ask people doing validation to fix or add what is missing if they have time. The goal is to get good data quickly, so just fixing/adding it while you are there is best. If you do not have time or there is too much to do, you can invalidate so hopefully someone else will come along and fix / finish it. Then in the comment box we usually " @username This looks great, thank you for mapping. I did add in some of the smaller roads and tagged the forest road as a track" to help them learn, but at the same time, we get the data done :) Respectfully, blake 2018-07-24 16:29 GMT+02:00 Christoffer Holmstedt : > Blake Girardot delade i tidigare mailtråd nedanstående länk och det är några > som har börjat beta av diverse rutor. Jag började validera en ruta och har > några frågor om hur andra anser att vi bör arbeta. Någon som har erfarenhet > från andra HOT OSM tasks får gärna dela med sig. > > https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE > > Fråga: Ska jag som validerar en ruta korrigera fel jag hittar/lägga till > saker som saknas eller bara informera via webbportalen så att den som > redigerade från början får fixa själv (varje ruta har en liten > diskussionstråd)? > > -> just nu tror jag det mest pragmatiska är att korrigera kartan själv _och_ > skriva i webbportalen som information. Att validera valideraren får bli en > övning för framtiden kanske. > > Med vänlig hälsning > -- > Christoffer Holmstedt > > ___ > Talk-se mailing list > Talk-se@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > -- Blake Girardot OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot skype: jblakegirardot ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] HOT OSM Tasks - Hur gör vi validering smidigast?
Ok On Tue, 24 Jul 2018, 16:39 Björn Stenberg, wrote: > Bäst är generellt att bara validera, utan att rätta. Annars kan det vara > otydligt för den ursprungliga ritaren att förstå vad som blev fel och lära > sig till nästa ruta. Risken är då att du får rätta samma sak i många rutor. > > -- > Björn > On 24 July 2018 4:30:58 pm Christoffer Holmstedt > wrote: > > > Blake Girardot delade i tidigare mailtråd nedanstående länk och det är > > några som har börjat beta av diverse rutor. Jag började validera en ruta > > och har några frågor om hur andra anser att vi bör arbeta. Någon som har > > erfarenhet från andra HOT OSM tasks får gärna dela med sig. > > > > https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE > > > > Fråga: Ska jag som validerar en ruta korrigera fel jag hittar/lägga till > > saker som saknas eller bara informera via webbportalen så att den som > > redigerade från början får fixa själv (varje ruta har en liten > > diskussionstråd)? > > > > -> just nu tror jag det mest pragmatiska är att korrigera kartan själv > > _och_ skriva i webbportalen som information. Att validera valideraren får > > bli en övning för framtiden kanske. > > > > Med vänlig hälsning > > -- > > Christoffer Holmstedt > > > > > > > > -- > > ___ > > Talk-se mailing list > > Talk-se@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > > > > > ___ > Talk-se mailing list > Talk-se@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
[Talk-se] Concerning HOTOSM Task #4904 and wetland/lakes
Hi Blake (cc Swedish OSM list) In the HOTOSM task setup I don't see any comment about natural=water/wetland. Are these of high importance? (there are quite a few wetland areas not mapped, most of the lakes are already mapped though). Best regards -- Christoffer Holmstedt ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] HOT OSM Tasks - Hur gör vi validering smidigast?
Bäst är generellt att bara validera, utan att rätta. Annars kan det vara otydligt för den ursprungliga ritaren att förstå vad som blev fel och lära sig till nästa ruta. Risken är då att du får rätta samma sak i många rutor. -- Björn On 24 July 2018 4:30:58 pm Christoffer Holmstedt wrote: Blake Girardot delade i tidigare mailtråd nedanstående länk och det är några som har börjat beta av diverse rutor. Jag började validera en ruta och har några frågor om hur andra anser att vi bör arbeta. Någon som har erfarenhet från andra HOT OSM tasks får gärna dela med sig. https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE Fråga: Ska jag som validerar en ruta korrigera fel jag hittar/lägga till saker som saknas eller bara informera via webbportalen så att den som redigerade från början får fixa själv (varje ruta har en liten diskussionstråd)? -> just nu tror jag det mest pragmatiska är att korrigera kartan själv _och_ skriva i webbportalen som information. Att validera valideraren får bli en övning för framtiden kanske. Med vänlig hälsning -- Christoffer Holmstedt -- ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts
The topowebb imagery is already predefined in JOSM. You simply open the
imagery menu in JOSM when panning over Sweden. There are also other useful
imagery predefined in JOSM and in iD, including the entire road network
from Trafikverket.
The Swedish mappers on this list may want to consider asking Lantmäteriet
for permission to use their orthophoto wms service for tracing. It is
available here for JOSM (after getting the permission):
https://kso.etjanster.lantmateriet.se/karta/ortofoto/wms/v1.2?LAYERS=orto050,orto025=image/png=TRUE=default,default=WMS=1.1.1=GetMap={proj}={bbox}={width}={height}
(You need to select projection 3006 in JOSM first.)
We recently received permission to use the national orthophotos in Norway
for OSM, and national othophoto services are also available for OSM in
Finland and Denmark, so Sweden is the only Nordic country without
othophotos available for OSM. As in Sweden, the Norwegian orthophotos are
not open data, but is was nonetheless possible to get an explicit
permission for OSM. We discussed the case directly with Kartverket, our
Lantmäteriet equivalent, and then submitted this formal request:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ALN523MHK66Q1yPg7ttVJ30mQhXzVNWM.
You may also want to ask for permission to use the Swedish digital terrain
model. It is very useful for mapping tracks and paths which are hard to
discover in orthophotos due to the forest. The shaded relief representation
of the model is available here for JOSM (after getting the permission):
https://kso.etjanster.lantmateriet.se/karta/hojdmodell/wms/v1?LAYERS=terrangskuggning=image/png=TRUE=default=WMS=1.1.1=GetMap={proj}={bbox}={width}={height}
(You need to select projection 3006 in JOSM first.)
In the meantime, this wms service may help identifying the areas with fires
in JOSM:
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/wms/?FORMAT=image/PNG=1.1.1=WMS=GetMap=fires_modis_7,fires_viirs_7=={proj}={width}={height}={bbox}
This service displays 7 days MODIS and VIIRS data, updated every hour.
/NKA
Den tir. 24. jul. 2018 kl. 15:37 skrev Blake Girardot :
> Hi all,
>
> I am sure you all know of this already but, if anyone wants to double
> check and make sure no new layers have been added that might help your
> mapping:
>
> If anyone knows how to add WMTS imagery to JOSM, you can explore this
> list of available layers:
>
>
> https://api.lantmateriet.se/open/topowebb-ccby/v1/wmts/token/9b342b7d9f12d4ddb92277be9869d860/?request=getcapabilities=wmts
>
>
> Cheers,
> blake
>
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[Talk-se] HOT OSM Tasks - Hur gör vi validering smidigast?
Blake Girardot delade i tidigare mailtråd nedanstående länk och det är några som har börjat beta av diverse rutor. Jag började validera en ruta och har några frågor om hur andra anser att vi bör arbeta. Någon som har erfarenhet från andra HOT OSM tasks får gärna dela med sig. https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE Fråga: Ska jag som validerar en ruta korrigera fel jag hittar/lägga till saker som saknas eller bara informera via webbportalen så att den som redigerade från början får fixa själv (varje ruta har en liten diskussionstråd)? -> just nu tror jag det mest pragmatiska är att korrigera kartan själv _och_ skriva i webbportalen som information. Att validera valideraren får bli en övning för framtiden kanske. Med vänlig hälsning -- Christoffer Holmstedt ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts
Hi Blake, as I mentioned yesterday, I am more or less off-grid now, with no access to any computer, and limited access to my phone. :-/ I hope someone else has the possibility to request data from Lantmäteriet. /Mattias tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 14:51 skrev Blake Girardot : > Hi Mattias, > > Please do let me know if you get access to the updated imagery. > > We would need what is called a "TMS Endpoint" or WMS or WTMS. > > There is an excellent WMS end point right now that could use someone > investigating all the layers that are available, I will find it and > share it here. > > In the mean time: > > HERE IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO SUPPORT THE POLISH > FIREFIGHTERS > > https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE > Please only share that link so if we have more or > different projects, or priorities change, we do not have to worry > about people following outdated links. That link will always be good. > > please let me know if you have any questions. > > > (sorry copy pasted from #osm.se irc channel :) > > Respectfully, > Blake > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad wrote: > > I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a > > long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet > > should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. > With > > little success so far. > > > > So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually > > get anything this time, I believe that we really should request the > data. > > If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at > least > > we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions. > > > > /Mattias > > > > tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad : > >> > >> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get > >> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery > for > >> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is > desired > >> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use > >> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be > directed > >> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get > some > >> attention. > >> > >> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous > >> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to > reuse > >> these channels. > >> > >> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more > >> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to > participate. > >> > >> //Mattias > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Mattias, > >>> > >>> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I > >>> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am > >>> resending it. > >>> > >>> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because > >>> they are used to working with OSM data. > >>> > >>> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you > >>> have provided, but it > >>> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and > >>> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the > >>> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy > >>> with just > >>> some printed maps from the authorities. > >>> > >>> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process, > >>> that would be up to you and your local community to organize. > >>> > >>> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers) > >>> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data > >>> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to > >>> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already > >>> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often > >>> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like > >>> Sweden and Poland. > >>> > >>> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local > >>> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally > >>> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for > >>> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support > >>> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT) > >>> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We > >>> let them > >>> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed > >>> sourced data. > >>> > >>> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for > >>> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified. > >>> > >>> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really > >>> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is > >>> perfect. > >>> > >>> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish > >>>
Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts
Hi all, If these task squares are too small please let me know I can re-create the project and make them 20 sq/km instead of the 5 sq/km they are now. But 20 sq/km is hard to "scan" in the editors so I felt 5 sq/km was as large as we wanted to go. respectfully, blake On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Blake Girardot wrote: > Hi Mattias, > > Please do let me know if you get access to the updated imagery. > > We would need what is called a "TMS Endpoint" or WMS or WTMS. > > There is an excellent WMS end point right now that could use someone > investigating all the layers that are available, I will find it and > share it here. > > In the mean time: > > HERE IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO SUPPORT THE POLISH FIREFIGHTERS > > https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE > Please only share that link so if we have more or > different projects, or priorities change, we do not have to worry > about people following outdated links. That link will always be good. > > please let me know if you have any questions. > > > (sorry copy pasted from #osm.se irc channel :) > > Respectfully, > Blake > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad wrote: >> I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a >> long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet >> should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. With >> little success so far. >> >> So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually >> get anything this time, I believe that we really should request the data. >> If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at least >> we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions. >> >> /Mattias >> >> tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad : >>> >>> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get >>> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for >>> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired >>> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use >>> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed >>> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get some >>> attention. >>> >>> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous >>> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse >>> these channels. >>> >>> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more >>> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate. >>> >>> //Mattias >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot >>> wrote: Hi Mattias, I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am resending it. The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because they are used to working with OSM data. I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you have provided, but it would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy with just some printed maps from the authorities. We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process, that would be up to you and your local community to organize. Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers) and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like Sweden and Poland. Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT) for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We let them do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed sourced data. So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for mapping in the areas Christoffer identified. Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is perfect. Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish firefighters are already making use of your OSM
Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts
Hi Mattias, Please do let me know if you get access to the updated imagery. We would need what is called a "TMS Endpoint" or WMS or WTMS. There is an excellent WMS end point right now that could use someone investigating all the layers that are available, I will find it and share it here. In the mean time: HERE IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO SUPPORT THE POLISH FIREFIGHTERS https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE Please only share that link so if we have more or different projects, or priorities change, we do not have to worry about people following outdated links. That link will always be good. please let me know if you have any questions. (sorry copy pasted from #osm.se irc channel :) Respectfully, Blake On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad wrote: > I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a > long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet > should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. With > little success so far. > > So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually > get anything this time, I believe that we really should request the data. > If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at least > we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions. > > /Mattias > > tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad : >> >> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get >> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for >> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired >> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use >> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed >> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get some >> attention. >> >> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous >> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse >> these channels. >> >> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more >> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate. >> >> //Mattias >> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mattias, >>> >>> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I >>> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am >>> resending it. >>> >>> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because >>> they are used to working with OSM data. >>> >>> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you >>> have provided, but it >>> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and >>> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the >>> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy >>> with just >>> some printed maps from the authorities. >>> >>> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process, >>> that would be up to you and your local community to organize. >>> >>> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers) >>> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data >>> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to >>> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already >>> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often >>> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like >>> Sweden and Poland. >>> >>> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local >>> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally >>> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for >>> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support >>> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT) >>> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We >>> let them >>> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed >>> sourced data. >>> >>> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for >>> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified. >>> >>> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really >>> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is >>> perfect. >>> >>> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish >>> firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to >>> improve it as much as we can for them! >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> blake >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad wrote: >>> > My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to >>> > reach >>> > out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with the >>> > Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data. >>> > >>> > My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project
Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts
I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. With little success so far. So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually get anything this time, I believe that we really should request the data. If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at least we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions. /Mattias tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad : > Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get > the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for > this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired > (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use > this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed > both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get > some attention. > > If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous > success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse > these channels. > > I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more > or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate. > > //Mattias > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot > wrote: > >> Hi Mattias, >> >> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I >> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am >> resending it. >> >> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because >> they are used to working with OSM data. >> >> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you >> have provided, but it >> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and >> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the >> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy >> with just >> some printed maps from the authorities. >> >> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process, >> that would be up to you and your local community to organize. >> >> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers) >> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data >> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to >> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already >> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often >> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like >> Sweden and Poland. >> >> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local >> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally >> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for >> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support >> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT) >> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We >> let them >> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed >> sourced data. >> >> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for >> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified. >> >> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really >> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is >> perfect. >> >> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish >> firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to >> improve it as much as we can for them! >> >> Respectfully, >> blake >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad wrote: >> > My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to >> reach >> > out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with the >> > Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data. >> > >> > My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project should get in touch >> with the >> > county administrative boards (Länsstyrelsen) in the affected counties in >> > order to coordinate the efforts, and possibly to get access to data from >> > Copernicus and other sources. When requesting data, it is of course >> > important to be specific about what kind of data is desired (and any >> > licensing issues). >> > >> > Regards, >> > Mattias >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Mattias Lindblad >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello Blake, >> >> >> >> I am trying to reach some contacts at the Swedish national mapping >> agency, >> >> who should have a lot of useful data. Unfortunately I will be going >> away for >> >> a while without proper access to my computers, so I will not be able >> to do a >> >> lot more than that. If I manage to get hold of some relevant contacts, >> >> should I direct them to you, or what's the best way forward? >> >> >> >>
Re: [Talk-se] Våtmark med sjö - Rekommendationer på hur det ska karteras?
Tack, det låter rimligt. Hittade exempel i närheten i https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2378470#map=15/61.9112/15.5377 ...det ser ut precis som du beskriver Christian. -- Christoffer Holmstedt Den 24 juli 2018 10:20 skrev Christian Asker : > Multipolygon med sjön i mitten? Oavsett så brukar jag försöka att se till > så att kanten mellan våtmark och sjö delar noder, så att dom hänger ihop. > > Mvh Christian > > Den 2018-07-24 kl. 10:08, skrev Christoffer Holmstedt: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61011472#map=16/61.9292/15.3640 > > Det fanns en liten sjö där sedan innan men jag la till våtmark i ändringen > ovan. Någon som har länk till annat område hur våtmark/sjö kan karteras på > bästa sätt när de gränsar till varandra eller som i detta fall sjön är en > del av våtmarken. > > Med vänlig hälsning > -- > Christoffer Holmstedt > > > ___ > Talk-se mailing > listTalk-se@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > > > ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
[Talk-se] Våtmark med sjö - Rekommendationer på hur det ska karteras?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61011472#map=16/61.9292/15.3640 Det fanns en liten sjö där sedan innan men jag la till våtmark i ändringen ovan. Någon som har länk till annat område hur våtmark/sjö kan karteras på bästa sätt när de gränsar till varandra eller som i detta fall sjön är en del av våtmarken. Med vänlig hälsning -- Christoffer Holmstedt ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts
>From Copernicus coverage map [3] I would say that the "Enskogen" we want to map is located at [4]. Christian your link to [5] seems to be a bit far too north for the fires, at least from my interpretation of the maps. Can you give a direct Copernicus link to the map that points to [5]? [3] http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/all/scripts/show_feed.php?url=http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/list-of-components/EMSR298/feed [4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2004079699#map=12/61.9624/15.4366 [5] https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/62.4188/14.9968 Best regards -- Christoffer Holmstedt 2018-07-23 20:36 GMT+02:00 Christian Asker : > I started to add some roads around Kårböle about an hour ago, from NVDB. > I've also added a few local names. However, Ekonomiska kartan does not seem > to work for the area. > > For finding their way around, I guess roads and local names are most > important? > > But I am a bit confused about the location here. There is this Kårböle > (Nötberget) outside Ljusdal: https://www.openstreetmap.org/ > #map=14/61.9880/15.2970 > > However, the map at link [2] below is another place: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/62.4188/14.9968 > > Which I think is "Enskogen". > > Regardless, both areas need mapping of course. > > > Can we get high resolution up-to-date imagery somehow? > > > /Christian > > > Den 2018-07-23 kl. 20:16, skrev Christoffer Holmstedt: > > Around 70 out of reported 144 Polish firefighters seems to be headed to > Ljusdal (Kårböle) [1]. That would correspond to #01 Enskogen on the map > Blake posted a link to in earlier email, some satellite images from > Copernicus found at [2]. > > [1] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/gavleborg/polska- > brandstyrka-till-ljusdal-anlander-pa-tisdagen > [2] http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/list-of-components/ > EMSR298/ALL/EMSR298_01ENSKOGEN > > ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
