Hi Blake, as I mentioned yesterday, I am more or less off-grid now, with no access to any computer, and limited access to my phone. :-/
I hope someone else has the possibility to request data from Lantmäteriet. /Mattias tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 14:51 skrev Blake Girardot <[email protected]>: > Hi Mattias, > > Please do let me know if you get access to the updated imagery. > > We would need what is called a "TMS Endpoint" or WMS or WTMS. > > There is an excellent WMS end point right now that could use someone > investigating all the layers that are available, I will find it and > share it here. > > In the mean time: > > <BlakeGirardot> HERE IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO SUPPORT THE POLISH > FIREFIGHTERS > <BlakeGirardot> > https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&organisation=OSM-SE > <BlakeGirardot> Please only share that link so if we have more or > different projects, or priorities change, we do not have to worry > about people following outdated links. That link will always be good. > > please let me know if you have any questions. > > > (sorry copy pasted from #osm.se irc channel :) > > Respectfully, > Blake > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad <[email protected]> wrote: > > I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a > > long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet > > should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. > With > > little success so far. > > > > So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually > > get anything this time, I believe that we really should request the > data. > > If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at > least > > we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions. > > > > /Mattias > > > > tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad <[email protected]>: > >> > >> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get > >> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery > for > >> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is > desired > >> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use > >> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be > directed > >> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get > some > >> attention. > >> > >> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous > >> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to > reuse > >> these channels. > >> > >> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more > >> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to > participate. > >> > >> //Mattias > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Mattias, > >>> > >>> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I > >>> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am > >>> resending it. > >>> > >>> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because > >>> they are used to working with OSM data. > >>> > >>> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you > >>> have provided, but it > >>> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and > >>> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the > >>> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy > >>> with just > >>> some printed maps from the authorities. > >>> > >>> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process, > >>> that would be up to you and your local community to organize. > >>> > >>> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers) > >>> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data > >>> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to > >>> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already > >>> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often > >>> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like > >>> Sweden and Poland. > >>> > >>> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local > >>> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally > >>> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for > >>> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support > >>> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT) > >>> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We > >>> let them > >>> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed > >>> sourced data. > >>> > >>> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for > >>> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified. > >>> > >>> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really > >>> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is > >>> perfect. > >>> > >>> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish > >>> firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to > >>> improve it as much as we can for them! > >>> > >>> Respectfully, > >>> blake > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to > >>> > reach > >>> > out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with > the > >>> > Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data. > >>> > > >>> > My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project should get in touch > >>> > with the > >>> > county administrative boards (Länsstyrelsen) in the affected counties > >>> > in > >>> > order to coordinate the efforts, and possibly to get access to data > >>> > from > >>> > Copernicus and other sources. When requesting data, it is of course > >>> > important to be specific about what kind of data is desired (and any > >>> > licensing issues). > >>> > > >>> > Regards, > >>> > Mattias > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Mattias Lindblad <[email protected]> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Hello Blake, > >>> >> > >>> >> I am trying to reach some contacts at the Swedish national mapping > >>> >> agency, > >>> >> who should have a lot of useful data. Unfortunately I will be going > >>> >> away for > >>> >> a while without proper access to my computers, so I will not be able > >>> >> to do a > >>> >> lot more than that. If I manage to get hold of some relevant > contacts, > >>> >> should I direct them to you, or what's the best way forward? > >>> >> > >>> >> Regards, > >>> >> Mattias > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Blake Girardot < > [email protected]> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Thank you all for your replies. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM > >>> >>> exclusively for their work. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later > >>> >>> today. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads, > >>> >>> waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc) > >>> >>> > >>> >>> So that is what they would like you to map. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial > >>> >>> imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM > >>> >>> layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very first > >>> >>> step. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on this > >>> >>> map: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/files/thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and now it > >>> >>> is > >>> >>> 12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> That map also gives you a very high level overview of the region > >>> >>> affected. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually > specify > >>> >>> what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads, water. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not > conflict > >>> >>> with each other. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project > because > >>> >>> the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration problem at > >>> >>> the moment (error on attempted login) > >>> >>> http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/ > >>> >>> > >>> >>> HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the > existing > >>> >>> OSM mapping. We often work where there is no data (rural Africa for > >>> >>> example) so we do not have that worry. In Sweden, you have an > active, > >>> >>> expert, group of mappers who already have a very good OSM map, we > >>> >>> need > >>> >>> to make sure we do not accidentally cause any issues for your > >>> >>> community. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> More information as I receive it...... > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Respectfully, > >>> >>> Blake > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Johnny Blästa > >>> >>> <[email protected]> > >>> >>> wrote: > >>> >>> > I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas > >>> >>> > surrounding > >>> >>> > the > >>> >>> > fires and are willing to help with mapping. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > /Johnny > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg < > [email protected]>: > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping > >>> >>> >> experience > >>> >>> >> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help > with > >>> >>> >> a > >>> >>> >> HOT > >>> >>> >> mapping effort. > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> -- > >>> >>> >> Björn > >>> >>> >> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot <[email protected] > > > >>> >>> >> wrote: > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > Greetings, > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild > fires > >>> >>> >> > to > >>> >>> >> > support fire fighters in Sweden. > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > Is there a local, active person, who would like to take > >>> >>> >> > responsibility > >>> >>> >> > to organize remote mapping projects to support that request? > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project > for > >>> >>> >> > local > >>> >>> >> > mappers only to work on? > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > Please let me know. > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > Respectfully, > >>> >>> >> > blake > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> >> > Talk-se mailing list > >>> >>> >> > [email protected] > >>> >>> >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> >> Talk-se mailing list > >>> >>> >> [email protected] > >>> >>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > Talk-se mailing list > >>> >>> > [email protected] > >>> >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> -- > >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------- > >>> >>> Blake Girardot > >>> >>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > >>> >>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > >>> >>> skype: jblakegirardot > >>> >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> Talk-se mailing list > >>> >>> [email protected] > >>> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ---------------------------------------------------- > >>> Blake Girardot > >>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > >>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > >>> skype: jblakegirardot > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Blake Girardot > OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > skype: jblakegirardot >
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