Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps now has proper state shields
I've also noticed that they are using their own state border files instead of the ones in OSM. Here's an example of this at the WV/VA crossing of WV-9/VA-9: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.26253lon=-77.7658zoom=16layers=Q You can still see the OSM border there, but it isn't as defined as the one MapQuest adds. Maybe the MapQuest people would be willing to pass along their border traces to help fix this area? -James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Wrangell, AK streets
You may wish to try that out. You might want to also look at the street data for the rest of the communities served by the Alaska Marine Highway System, as I intend to eventually draw the rest of those ferry routes, and I need to know exactly where each dock is. - David E. Nelson___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Mappy Hour
There we go again! See you tonight. I hope to get a 2 week frequency going for this - holidays excluded. Also see http://www.openstreetmap.us/calendar/ https://plus.google.com/113331273824393211883 Martijn -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] King County, Washington authorization
All - FYI - King County Washington has authorized the use of their data in OpenStreetMap. No imports using this data (beyond possibly the Seattle Import) are currently planned, afaik. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#King_County.2C_Washington Regards, Jeff -- Forwarded message -- From: Horning, George george.horn...@kingcounty.gov Date: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:05 PM Subject: RE: Recent Inquiry to King County Regarding King County's Data Policy To: Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org, Moses, Ann ann.mo...@kingcounty.gov Cc: Smith, Nick nick.sm...@kingcounty.gov Jeff – Yes, including the King County data disclaimers in the same manner as you are doing for the city of Seattle would be fine. Thanks for being conscientious about using the county’s data. When you have set up please send along a link. *George W. Horning* *King County GIS Center Manager* *_*__ *King County GIS Center* Department of King County Information Technology 201 South Jackson Street, Suite 706 Seattle, WA 98104-3855 *206-263-4801* FAX 206-263-3145 george.horn...@kingcounty.gov *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2012 10:26 AM *To:* Moses, Ann *Cc:* Smith, Nick; Horning, George *Subject:* Re: Recent Inquiry to King County Regarding King County's Data Policy Hi Ann - Thanks for your persistence on this topic! We (the local OSM group were just discussing the status of this request in email this morning. : ) Mr. Horning - Pleased to meet you. Regarding item #7, would including that statement on the OpenStreetMap contributors page meet that requirement? Here's a link to this page - you'll see the City of Seattle is using this page to meet their requirements for attribution. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#City_of_Seattle.2C_Washington There is a vibrant OpenStreetMap community in King County and we are all excited about the possibility for increasing the use of this public data. We just want to make sure we're doing it the right way. Any help you can provide with our efforts is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Jeff On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Moses, Ann ann.mo...@kingcounty.gov wrote: Dear Mr. Meyer, Based on your additional information, I was able to reach out to George Horning, King County’s GIS Center Manager. Mr. Horning recommended that I share the following link with you, which is available on the King County’s GIS Data Portal (http://www5.kingcounty.gov/gisdataportal/), and shows the King County GIS Center’s Terms and Conditions, which must be accepted by the user before they can download any data. Item 7 may be of particular interest in your situation. I have also included these terms and conditions at the end of this e-mail. While I am not sure if it would be applicable in your situation, I have also attached a copy of the form that is used by the King County GIS Center for individuals to request a custom data order. I hope this additional information helps! Note that I have included Mr. Horning as a “cc” on this e-mail. Please feel free to follow up directly with him regarding any additional questions you might have. Sincerely, Ann Moses King County Information Technology *Terms and Conditions* By accessing any data posted by King County (Data), you agree to these Terms of Use (Terms). These Terms may be updated or modified by King County at any time at its sole discretion. If you do not agree to these Terms, do not access the Data or download any material from it. 1. King County grants you a limited, revocable license to use, reproduce, and redistribute the Data in accordance with these Terms. 2. The Data is collected from various sources and will change over time and without notice. 3. The Data is provided to you on an AS IS and AS AVAILABLE and WITH ALL FAULTS basis without any warranty of any kind, express or implied, including without limitation the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, accuracy and non-infringement, nor shall the distribution of this information constitute any warranty. 4. The Data is not intended to constitute advice nor is it to be used as a substitute for specific advice from a professional. You should not act (or refrain from acting) based upon information in the Data without independently verifying the information and, as necessary, obtaining professional advice regarding your particular facts and circumstances. 5. You use the Data at your own risk, and you assume the risk that the Data may provide incorrect information to you, as well as the risk that any material downloaded by you may cause loss of data or damage to your computer system. 6. King County and its officials and employees assume no responsibility or legal liability for the accuracy, completeness, reliability, timeliness, or usefulness of any information available from the Data nor do they represent
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] King County, Washington authorization
Sweet. I wish more local governments took this approach. I suspect as our project progresses, they will, just as they did in the UK, only more slowly. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Welcome Working Group meeting (was: Role of the Wiki)
Thanks everyone who took the time to indicate availability. The best time is Thursday noon MST / 7PM GMT based on response. Let's meet on IRC. We can hijack #osm-strategic for this meeting (unless we hear otherwise). Use irc.openstreetmap.org or your favorite IRC channel to log on. It would help greatly if everyone who intends to participate would take a moment to think about these questions: * What can we do in the next month / year / 5 years to keep more mappers engaged after they sign up? Think small and big. * What do you want to do yourself to achieve this, and how much time can you spend on it? * What has been attempted before? Did it work? Why (not)? Also, please review the previous meeting log and proposal (see below) and rally others you think should be involved. Talk to you Thursday. Martijn On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, Let me bump this topic - the Welcome Working Group as originally proposed and kicked off by Richard Weait (proposal here[1], initial meeting IRC log here[2]) will meet again this coming week. Welcome Working Group? Yes. In very broad strokes, this WG will look at how we can do a better job of courting / retaining mappers who sign up and never edit or edit only once, never to be heard of again. These folks have shown an active interest in the project and yet we somehow don't manage to make sense to them. That's a real shame and we think there may be ways to do something about this. I am proposing some time slots that should work for N-America and Europe. If you're interested to join this important discussion, please indicate your availability before 1900 UTC tomorrow by following this link. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d Based on the responses I will then determine the best time to meet. You can then still decide to join of course. Martijn [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group/Initial_meeting_agenda/irclog On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I thought I should bump this up to its own thread: The Welcome WG needs a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. Let's have a follow-up meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. How about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM Subject: Fwd: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: OSM US board us-osm-bo...@googlegroups.com FYI, I put out an invitation for a Welcome Working Group meeting: -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com Cc: Scott Rollins organ...@gmail.com, OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List t...@openstreetmap.org, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org, OpenStreetMap US Talk talk-us@openstreetmap.org, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Kathleen, Yes, the Welcome WG does need a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. I wanted to wait until the semester is over so that my teaching obligations would not keep interfering, but I guess we're almost there, so I am willing to organize a next meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. So how about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. Martijn On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Some of these resources may require a little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised or interconnected as they should be, but you have to realize that OpenStreetMap is eternally a work in progress, run entirely by volunteers who are working really hard to keep up with and channel that progress. I think that the first half of that sentence is worth taking notice of, with all due respect to the second half (and the volunteers who make it so!). As a newcomer to OSM, I am aware that there are some really fantastic resources out there, but I'm not really sure where to start, and that in and of itself ends up being quite
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
+1 for importing this. I'm curious for a battle plan of whoever leads this effort, this will be a lot of work. Re: license, I've heard personally from MassGIS director Christian Jacqz that all of Mass' GIS data is public domain based on the state's open policy on public records. I think this is fantastic, a link to a law or similar would still be useful. Is there address data that could be conflated with these buildings? On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: But, in general, I don't think the MassGIS ID's should be included since they are just the center of mass of the buildings, and there is no indication that they will be preserving them as they update the data set. This is interesting that the id (STRUCT_ID?) is to be dropped. If MassGIS does not track an ID on buildings, how do they properly use this data? Do they use an id that is not in the current data set? Generally speaking preserving such an id would be useful IMO for enabling clear references to outside datasets. E. g. Even if they did preserve them, it is not really useful to OSM because we already have a ton of hand drawn buildings in the state that will need to get managed in any future updates. So, right now, the only tag in the data is building=yes. Thanks Jason. On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com wrote: Hi Jason, If the MassGIS building/address objects have MassGIS IDs are you planning to preserve them in the OSM DB ? Best, On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Serge, I don't see a license related to this data, only a copyright notice on the page. Is there a separate license somewhere that says this data is usable? Like the federal goverment, maps are considered part of the public record in Mass, and therefor are in the public domain (no copyright). No license is needed for the data. OSM has already confirmed this directly with the MassGIS people. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS Since it is likely that next year we will be importing this data into OSM to support addresses, I figured it would be useful to convert the files to OSM format and share them. What is the script you're plannng to use for conversion? What is your mapping scheme? What is your plan regarding conflation with existing data? What is your plan regarding updates? - I will put up my ugly little script shortly. - schema, building = yes - conflation, don't import a building that overlaps with an existing building in OSM. I was thinking that this was a precursory step for the import. I don't have the time right now to lead an import myself. Regardless of who actually does it, I think getting a lot of eyes on the data is the best starting point for whatever happens next. Thanks Jason. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Know of a local user group? Update the page!
Hey everyone - If you're running / aware of a user group in your town, I'd love to ask you for a quick minute to update this page - thank you! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
From: Alex Barth [mailto:a...@mapbox.com] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: But, in general, I don't think the MassGIS ID's should be included since they are just the center of mass of the buildings, and there is no indication that they will be preserving them as they update the data set. This is interesting that the id (STRUCT_ID?) is to be dropped. If MassGIS does not track an ID on buildings, how do they properly use this data? Do they use an id that is not in the current data set? Generally speaking preserving such an id would be useful IMO for enabling clear references to outside datasets. E. g. Any future work with the data after it's imported will have to handle buildings without IDs. I included IDs in two of my imports and have found them useless. I think that without a clear plan to use them (i.e. one with code) you shouldn't be including government department specific metadata like this. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
Hi Paul - On Dec 10, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Any future work with the data after it's imported will have to handle buildings without IDs. I included IDs in two of my imports and have found them useless. I think that without a clear plan to use them (i.e. one with code) you shouldn't be including government department specific metadata like this. How specifically did you find them useless? I mean was it just that to your knowledge nobody's using them or is there something inherently broken in the case of your imports (e. g. those id's change outside of OSM and hence can't be used as reference). Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
I would highly encourage retaining them. (of course! : ) ) Unless there's another plan for retaining some association, it could be very helpful in the future for referencing between OSM and MassGIS records. And... maybe there's other information in the Mass records that an OSMer might want to look up. There are other efforts to index buildings worldwide (outside of OSM, which does this in a way), such as the Built Works Registry ( http://builtworksregistry.wordpress.com/) that might also benefit from this. And, if/when semantic information is available, or until there's some sort of UUID for buildings, this storage could prove useful. My 2 cents... On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hi Paul - On Dec 10, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Any future work with the data after it's imported will have to handle buildings without IDs. I included IDs in two of my imports and have found them useless. I think that without a clear plan to use them (i.e. one with code) you shouldn't be including government department specific metadata like this. How specifically did you find them useless? I mean was it just that to your knowledge nobody's using them or is there something inherently broken in the case of your imports (e. g. those id's change outside of OSM and hence can't be used as reference). Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Know of a local user group? Update the page!
Noticing how many of these user groups host sites outside of OSM, is there any update on making the OSM wiki more social / functional for local area community building? (followup to SOTM birds of a feather discussion) Seems suboptimal to have so much out of band activity without greater cross-community OSM social networking. Not saying it's broke, just could be better. : ) - Jeff On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hey everyone - If you're running / aware of a user group in your town, I'd love to ask you for a quick minute to update this page - thank you! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Know of a local user group? Update the page!
Google+ communities? On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Noticing how many of these user groups host sites outside of OSM, is there any update on making the OSM wiki more social / functional for local area community building? (followup to SOTM birds of a feather discussion) Seems suboptimal to have so much out of band activity without greater cross-community OSM social networking. Not saying it's broke, just could be better. : ) - Jeff On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hey everyone - If you're running / aware of a user group in your town, I'd love to ask you for a quick minute to update this page - thank you! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour
Who is available to initiate and moderate this tonight? All it takes is 1) start a hangout 2) post link on google+ event and 3) be there for the duration. Martijn (phone) On Dec 10, 2012 10:39 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: There we go again! See you tonight. I hope to get a 2 week frequency going for this - holidays excluded. Also see http://www.openstreetmap.us/calendar/ https://plus.google.com/113331273824393211883 Martijn -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
From: Alex Barth [mailto:a...@mapbox.com] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion Hi Paul - On Dec 10, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Any future work with the data after it's imported will have to handle buildings without IDs. I included IDs in two of my imports and have found them useless. I think that without a clear plan to use them (i.e. one with code) you shouldn't be including government department specific metadata like this. How specifically did you find them useless? I mean was it just that to your knowledge nobody's using them or is there something inherently broken in the case of your imports (e. g. those id's change outside of OSM and hence can't be used as reference). Neither, and it's nothing specific to my imports. Any update strategy has to be able to handle the case where objects are created in OSM without the IDs or the IDs get broken in OSM because they can't be verified. Because anything you do has to handle the case of no IDs, what's the point of them? Lots of people include IDs because they think they might be useful but very seldom are they actually used. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour
On 12/10/12 7:06 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 12/10/12 6:48 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Who is available to initiate and moderate this tonight? All it takes is 1) start a hangout 2) post link on google+ event and 3) be there for the duration. i'll take a crack at it. although considering how erratic my internet connection is right now, if someone has a more stable one and wants to volunteer then we might be better off that way. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Know of a local user group? Update the page!
I'd say the wiki is likely the least used of the various channels for local OSM communities. Because as part of the DWG I've had to contact local communities in various ways I've seen (in some kind of rough order resembling popularity) - Mailing lists - OSM.org forums - Facebook - Google groups - Other forums I don't see the wiki used very often and I don't think the wiki format is well-suited for a community to use to communicate. From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:38 PM To: Alex Barth Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Know of a local user group? Update the page! Noticing how many of these user groups host sites outside of OSM, is there any update on making the OSM wiki more social / functional for local area community building? (followup to SOTM birds of a feather discussion) Seems suboptimal to have so much out of band activity without greater cross-community OSM social networking. Not saying it's broke, just could be better. : ) - Jeff On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hey everyone - If you're running / aware of a user group in your town, I'd love to ask you for a quick minute to update this page - thank you! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 tel:%28%2B1%29%20202%20250%203633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Know of a local user group? Update the page!
Paul - good points. I said wiki and meant the Social elements of the OSM site - e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pnorman. Agreed - standard wikis aren't the best for community building. -Jeff On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I’d say the wiki is likely the least used of the various channels for local OSM communities. Because as part of the DWG I’ve had to contact local communities in various ways I’ve seen (in some kind of rough order resembling popularity) ** ** **- **Mailing lists **- **OSM.org forums **- **Facebook **- **Google groups **- **Other forums ** ** I don’t see the wiki used very often and I don’t think the wiki format is well-suited for a community to use to communicate. ** ** *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 3:38 PM *To:* Alex Barth *Cc:* talk-us@openstreetmap.org Talk *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] Know of a local user group? Update the page! ** ** Noticing how many of these user groups host sites outside of OSM, is there any update on making the OSM wiki more social / functional for local area community building? (followup to SOTM birds of a feather discussion) ** ** Seems suboptimal to have so much out of band activity without greater cross-community OSM social networking. ** ** Not saying it's broke, just could be better. : ) ** ** - Jeff ** ** ** ** On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hey everyone - If you're running / aware of a user group in your town, I'd love to ask you for a quick minute to update this page - thank you! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ** ** -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] mappy hour
i'm trying to relaunch the hangout, but having some network problems reaching google plus. if someone else wants to start this thing, feel free. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Know of a local user group? Update the page!
I'd be interested in helping with this. What I lack in OSM prowess I like to think I make up in online and offline community organization skills. On Dec 10, 2012 6:39 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Noticing how many of these user groups host sites outside of OSM, is there any update on making the OSM wiki more social / functional for local area community building? (followup to SOTM birds of a feather discussion) Seems suboptimal to have so much out of band activity without greater cross-community OSM social networking. Not saying it's broke, just could be better. : ) - Jeff On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hey everyone - If you're running / aware of a user group in your town, I'd love to ask you for a quick minute to update this page - thank you! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
Hi, On 12/11/2012 01:04 AM, Paul Norman wrote: Lots of people include IDs because they think they might be useful but very seldom are they actually used. I can second that. I have witnessed many imports painstakingly preserving the ID (because, after all, most of us are IT people and our brains are hard-wired to think that ID numbers *must* be useful - you know, you can cross reference things and stuff with IDs!) but I've yet to see anyone doing something useful with them. I have never seen anyone who actually imported IDs and had a plan when asked - inevitably, the answer was it might be useful someday, I don't know. Now one of the things we say we want to do is offer data for unexpected uses so it may sound short-sighted to throw out an ID just because you cannot envisage a good use for it at this point in time. On the other hand, preserving an ID in the database might send the wrong signal to mappers. Are they allowed to change something that has an official GIS ID? What if they split or merge objects that carry such an ID? Will their changes be overwritten later if they don't remove the ID? Etc. My suggestion would be to not import the ID, but create a correspondence table during import (imported object with ID #1234 as way #2345). Since any import has to be properly documented anyway, the list can be stored with the other logs/documentation. If one should really want to follow up on this later, one can check if the objects still exist and haven't been modified, and then update/amend them or do whatever other useful thing the ID enables one to do, without polluting the database or puzzling mappers. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
Frederik - one question I have about changeset tags and things like correspondence tables - how easy will it be for people to discover that this data even exists? How will they know to look for it? Will they need to be software developers? For example, will a GIS expert from the state of Massachusetts who comes across OSM know to look for this information? - Jeff On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 12/11/2012 01:04 AM, Paul Norman wrote: Lots of people include IDs because they think they might be useful but very seldom are they actually used. I can second that. I have witnessed many imports painstakingly preserving the ID (because, after all, most of us are IT people and our brains are hard-wired to think that ID numbers *must* be useful - you know, you can cross reference things and stuff with IDs!) but I've yet to see anyone doing something useful with them. I have never seen anyone who actually imported IDs and had a plan when asked - inevitably, the answer was it might be useful someday, I don't know. Now one of the things we say we want to do is offer data for unexpected uses so it may sound short-sighted to throw out an ID just because you cannot envisage a good use for it at this point in time. On the other hand, preserving an ID in the database might send the wrong signal to mappers. Are they allowed to change something that has an official GIS ID? What if they split or merge objects that carry such an ID? Will their changes be overwritten later if they don't remove the ID? Etc. My suggestion would be to not import the ID, but create a correspondence table during import (imported object with ID #1234 as way #2345). Since any import has to be properly documented anyway, the list can be stored with the other logs/documentation. If one should really want to follow up on this later, one can check if the objects still exist and haven't been modified, and then update/amend them or do whatever other useful thing the ID enables one to do, without polluting the database or puzzling mappers. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 __**_ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
