Re: [Talk-us] NAIP US Aerial Imagery
I’ve used the NAIP imagery to confirm the existence/absence of something, since it’s often more recent than the BING imagery. I had used the WMS servers in JOSM, but having specific access to just that dataset would be handy. Darrell On Aug 12, 2015, at 14:01, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Last I checked the latest and greatest NAIP is included in the USGS's large scale imagery layer, which is tiled and cached on the OSM US tile server. I don't have a layer specific to the latest NAIP-only imagery, though. Is that something you're interested in? On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net mailto:nice...@att.net wrote: Does anyone know about current NAIP aerial imagery? SC 2015 imagery has been acquired and can be viewed, but the page no longer lists WMS as a format - http://gis.apfo.usda.gov/arcgis/rest/services/NAIP/South_Carolina_2015_1m/ImageServer http://gis.apfo.usda.gov/arcgis/rest/services/NAIP/South_Carolina_2015_1m/ImageServer SC 2013 WMS imagery has already been removed. Does this mean that NAIP will be removing WMS from future services and will only support JSON and SOAP? (which I cannot get JOSM to accept). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Another useful tool might be to have a repository of local imagery servers that can automatically become available when in an appropriate area. For instance, I use the 2014 NAIP imagery via a WMS server in JOSM. It’s only 1m resolution, but it’s great for double checking that nothing has changed. At smaller zoom levels, that might actually be a preferable default to always using bing, and having the imagery change, combined with imagery dates, draws attention to the fact that things might not always be current. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 07:54, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery alongside the attribution message. We actually don’t get this from most tile providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header. Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at implementing this. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 Thanks, Bryan On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com mailto:krist...@telenav.com wrote: We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to our OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery. Kristen Sent from OWA on Android From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned and/or reconfigured. this will be true in many places. if you see a mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Shouldn’t be too hard to add this: https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS Unfortunately, the WMS server seems to be misbehaving right now. I sent a note to what I hope are the right people about that. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 08:43, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Such a thing exists and is here: https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index It is used by iD and Potlatch, with JOSM output available but not installed by default. I'm happy to help anyone add their imagery. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org mailto:darr...@garnix.org wrote: Another useful tool might be to have a repository of local imagery servers that can automatically become available when in an appropriate area. For instance, I use the 2014 NAIP imagery via a WMS server in JOSM. It’s only 1m resolution, but it’s great for double checking that nothing has changed. At smaller zoom levels, that might actually be a preferable default to always using bing, and having the imagery change, combined with imagery dates, draws attention to the fact that things might not always be current. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 07:54, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com mailto:br...@7thposition.com wrote: There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery alongside the attribution message. We actually don’t get this from most tile providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header. Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at implementing this. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 Thanks, Bryan On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com mailto:krist...@telenav.com wrote: We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to our OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery. Kristen Sent from OWA on Android From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned and/or reconfigured. this will be true in many places. if you see a mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Yes, it has. I was using it not all that long ago. I’m sure it’s just a temporary outage. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:59, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 6/11/15 1:27 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Shouldn’t be too hard to add this: https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS Unfortunately, the WMS server seems to be misbehaving right now. I sent a note to what I hope are the right people about that. i had found Randy's page back when Darrell brought it up, and verified that 2013 NYS imagery was available from NAIP that clearly showed the road reconfiguration that's missing from Bing. so the NAIP stuff has been seen working recently. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] tools for processing old TIGER/Line files?
OGR should be able to. http://www.gdal.org/drv_tiger.html Keep in mind the 1992 files in particular are very poor quality (which, BTW, shouldn’t be taken as the census doing a poor job, but rather that high-accuracy was not a design criteria for that era. The point was to be good enough for census takers, not for navigation or high accuracy maps). d. On Jun 10, 2015, at 17:39, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: does anyone know of any tools that can process these old files (1992, 2006) into a more modern format? i have a couple of things i'd like to inspect the old TIGER files for. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A note about bags and security at SOTM-US
maximum size for all bags as: 14 (35cm) wide x 13 (33cm) high x 4 (10cm) deep That is *TINY*! I mean even most Hello Kitty backpacks for children are 16 tall. This is slightly larger than my messenger bag (or a briefcase), which I don't consider to be tiny. I can comfortably fit a laptop, a book, a notepad, plus various sundries with room to spare. Maybe I'm crazy, but that seems wholly adequate for a day at a conference. d. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
TIGER is much older than reasonably portable GPS units. It was originally developed for the 1990 Census, which means work began much earlier than that. In 1990, handheld GPS units were not even available to the military. Much of the original data was traced from paper maps (which is also true of a great deal of GIS data in use today). They have an ongoing project to update the data in cooperation with local governments, but those entities are often resource constrained themselves. It would be great if we could share OSM data with them all, but of course we can't. d. On Apr 4, 2015, at 13:30, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 4/4/2015 1:04 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: I wonder if it was even about the resolution in some counties. It's as if the data was traced off a cartogram, or maybe reconstructed from a table of intersections. Or recorded with a GPS back in the days when the signal was scrambled, that is with the deliberate random error measured by non-military grade GPS receivers. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
So I think the issue of long term data maintenance is a separate issue from that of imports though imported data may spotlight the issue more. Agreed. Data maintenance is a much duller task than adding new data, and that’s going to be an issue anywhere and has nothing to do with the origin of the data. Many of the common imports (buildings and addresses) are quite slow to change anyway, so ongoing maintenance becomes a different kind of beast. Anyway, there are reason why there are companies whose business is keeping business listings up to date — because it’s hard, tedious work. On that note, I actually sent this as a feature suggestion to the Pushpin developers a while back, but I think it’s a concept that could be extended to any OSM data, especially now that most of us are carrying around smartphones. The idea is make data currency checking as painless as possible. I wrote it with POI data in mind, but it could be extended to other data types as well, with varying scheduling based on how often the data is likely to change (i.e. streets and buildings don’t change that often, businesses do). d. === I was thinking that it would be helpful to add some geofencing to the Pushpin app, so that if you come near a POI you can be asked to check if it's current. It could work something like: Establish geofence for each POIs that has not been updated/verified in some interval (let's say 6 months + some random interval, so as to avoid someone getting pinged for every POI on the street if they happen to walk down the street six months after someone else did). When user comes near such a geofence, they get a notification and a few options to verify. For example, let's say Joe's Coffee hasn't been verified for 9 months. When I walk past it, I get a notification that says: Hey, you're right near Joe's Coffee, at 123 Main Street. Would you like to verify its information is current? And it presents me the options: • Not right now - I no longer get notified for Joe's Coffee for some period of time (say, a week, or until it's verified by someone else) • Yes, it's current - POI is flagged as current in OSM, app says Thanks! and the geofence is removed • Yes, it's current, but let me change/add to the info - Takes me to the update screen, I make changes, POI is flagged as verified in OSM, app says Thanks! and the geofence is removed • No, it's out of date - User is prompted: - Let me update it (update as above) - It's gone, just delete it - It's gone, but let me replace it with what is here now I think you guys get the idea. === ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
My god, this is arrogant. Crap like this is the #1 reason I’m not an OSMF member. If this is what counts as the “OSM community” – I want no part of it. d. On Apr 3, 2015, at 17:53, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 4/3/2015 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Perhaps we, as the U.S. chapter, play a role in creating or sustaining these false assumptions? Yes. To substantiate this, I looked at communications from the US chapter I looked through the current board term and the previous board term. In the current board term I counted 15 blog posts. The breakdown of these is ] ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
It seems to be addr:unit, though it’s not widely used. It’s what I’ve been using, though. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:unit d. On Feb 3, 2015, at 12:28, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: What's the correct tag for unit number, anyway? This is driving me insane since it's making it impossible to complete mapping the caravan site I live in to a level of completeness that you can navigate by without trying to find the unit numbers (which, stupidly, are all on the utility pedestals at the back of the space, instead of by the roadside where they're not blocked by slideouts routinely) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Routing on Ferries
GTFS works fine for ferries already. Many do publish the data. d. On Jan 1, 2015, at 10:55, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I agree. However, it would be nice to have it show the route. Somehow we can route via bus using GTFS. I wonder if ferry routes have a similar spec? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Rail westerly
Yes, WGS84 because that’s what’s used by GPS (which was, after all, the original data source for OSM). Of course, then there’s the question of *which* WGS84 definition we’re talking about. You actually can’t assumed that current definitions of WGS84 and NAD83 are 1m difference. You can dip your toe into the complexity here: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/Articles/WGS84NAD83.pdf Also note, that the satellite photography used for a great deal of OSM mapping has much less than 1m accuracy, and as you note, unless you’re using expensive GPS, you’re not likely to get 1m accuracy anyway. Relatedly, I’m curious if anyone has used one of these guys: http://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-lifestyle/outdoors/ d. On Dec 31, 2014, at 13:56, Dave Mansfield mansfie...@chartermi.net wrote: That brings up a good question. What datum is used by OSM? I would assume it's WGS 84. NAD 83 is within about a meter of WGS 84. That’s closer than the GPS units most of us have so would not cause much of an error if any. NAD 27 on the other hand could be off by as much as 180 meters. Dave -Original Message- From: stevea [mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:24 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Cc: imports...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Rail westerly I examine these in JOSM right now. First they need to be unzipped, and it looks like the (provided on that web page) PRJ file to change from WGS 84 (default) to either NAD 27 or 83 projection is required. I haven't done that to these data in the instant case, but I've fiddled these before and I think it is doable. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] NAD 27 data to OSM's native WGS 84 data
Any magic incantation that will just do this (for shapefile data) is appreciated. I don't know if copy-pasting the above string into a .prj in the shapefile folder will direct JOSM (via Shapefile plug-in) to adjust the data to WGS 84, or if something different is required. It is even possible that clicking on JOSM's alert button of Yes is all that is required, but I'm not sure. Thank you in advance. Well, just clicking “Yes” will definitely not work, since JOSM won’t know what to convert from. I don’t know if JOSM doesn’t reprojection. But if you want to just do it before loading the data into JOSM and you have OGR/GDAL installed: ogr2ogr -s_srs EPSG:4267 -t_srs EPSG:4326 output.shp input.shp d. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature
That's a rather extreme definition of third party data and cumbersome for that matter. d. On Nov 6, 2014, at 20:32, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 04:17 +, Elliott Plack wrote: Before the state showed up in iD, I had assumed someone could just easily derive the US state from the postal code. Usually, yes, but that introduces a dependence on third party data (USPS) that really should not be there. That, and it can be cumbersome. -- Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
the qualifications of someone on the board which sets direction for the local chapter, it is certainly useful to their experience as an OSM contributor in the US. Past a certain level of experience, the numbers lose value, but I wouldn't consider someone with only a few edits per year a good choice who would understand what's required to get the US map up to the level of those in countries with similar demographics. I couldn’t disagree with this statement more. This is a simplistic, naïve, and exclusive definition of “understanding” that devalues other types of knowledge and contributions. The OSM.us webpage says: We support the OpenStreetMap project in the United States through education, fostering awareness, ensuring broad availability of data, continuous quality improvement, and an active community.” and We support OpenStreetMap by holding annual conferences, providing community resources, building partnerships, and by spreading the word.” Nowhere in there does it say “making lots of edits”. I can think of any number of skills that would be more valuable to the board in particular than skill in editing. 1) Fundraising 2) Community Outreach 3) Running Workshops 4) Conference Organizing 5) Grant Writing 6) Marketing 7) Volunteer Recruiting Organizing I could think of more. In fact, I can’t think of a reason where number of edits made by a board member matters matters one iota. Darrell___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
On Oct 3, 2014, at 08:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: It is just one lens through which one might view the candidates. Sure, I get that. I’m just saying it’s at best a meaningless lens, and a misleading one at worst. Darrell, you say that you can’t think of a reason where number of edits made by a board member matters matters one iota. I believe that Paul addresses that directly in his statement, When considering the qualifications of someone on the board which sets direction for the local chapter, it is certainly useful to their experience as an OSM contributor in the US.” Yes, he does, but I’m saying Paul’s wrong. There are many, many ways that someone could be experienced with OSM and a valuable contributor while never having made a single edit. I don’t see number of edits to be useful in the least, especially since it’s measuring something irrelevant to what a board member is actually expected to do. See, for instance, Martijn’s excellent outline: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2014-September/013612.html I don’t see anything in that description that required editing experience. (Relatedly, I’d be curious to see some of the TODO lists, but the github repo seems to be private.) Darrell ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Questions for board nominees
I’d be curious if the board nominees could answer a few questions. 1) What do you think the OSM.us organization does well? 2) Where do you think it “needs improvement? 3) What are two initiatives you’d like to the board to undertake during your tenure? 3a) How can you contribute to those? 3b) How would you measure their success? Darrell ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers
I’ve always thought the “signage” thing was a little absurd anyway — as if the signs are somehow the official documentation and not a reflection of the official documentation. Yet somehow, using the official documentation becomes an import. That makes no sense to me. Darrell Steve wasn't talking about proposed routes at all: USBRs 1, 10, 36, 37, and 50 are officially approved routes. There's nothing to open, though the signage situation varies from state to state. AASHTO designation doesn't come with a deadline for signage, but the state DOTs didn't go through the trouble of getting local and national approval just to sit on these designations. And when the signs do go up, we can be assured that they'll go up along the officially approved routes. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users
I made exactly this point a while back on the diversity-talk list. The consequence of this is that by self-limiting *who* the mappers are, we also limit the types of things that will ever appear on the map. It’s even evident in your statement This map geek and his son?” — a point that well made by Alyssa Wright in her discussion at SotM of the gendered nature of OSM data. Plus, most (all?) of the tools assume you might want to edit anything and everything on the map. Most people probably don’t, and seeing streets and ways and relations when all you really wanted to do was add your child’s school, or the new bike path for them to get school is going to be an immediate turn off. That being said, things like PushPin and iD have gone a long way to lowering the barrier to entry, but it’s still pretty damn substantial. Darrell On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:17 AM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive like myself is that *the ontology sucks*. There, I said it, so you don't have to. I think the real reason is that there's just one model: mapping as an end to itself. Just look at the outreach material: it talks about mapping as an end, and encourages people to get involved in this nebulous thing called mapping, as if that was enough. Map geeks? Check. This map geek and his son? Check. Other people? Hmm. How about map all the pubs in your area? Or Find the world's best map of hiking trails and help keep the map strong by editing if needed? Or contribute to the world's best map of speed cameras? Or Map free library locations (e.g. http://littlefreelibrary.org/ and clones)? Maybe the pool of obsessive mappers is drawing thin. The pool of pub enthusiasts, however, is as strong as ever. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] scanned USGS Topo Layer?
Yes, exactly. I know we're all obsessed with computers and stuff, but those guys were damn good at what they did, and shouldn't be underestimated. (Whether the maps are at an appropriate scale is a different issue.) But there's very little, if any, effort in keeping the quads up to date anymore. All the effort is focused on the national atlas. Darrell On Dec 2, 2013, at 10:02, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: as far as I have seen topo maps they are all from the 70’s or older. usually the accuracy is pretty good where things haven’t changed since. On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 12/2/13 10:01 AM, Richard Welty wrote: i guess what it comes down to is that the USGS quads are good for topo data but otherwise they're basically historic documents. and it turns out the quad that i was interested in, Bash Bish Falls on the western CT/MA border, dates from 1958. so the USGS quad layer is good for topo and historic info, but it is most assuredly not even close to current. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] scanned USGS Topo Layer?
Exactly my point. Just printed versions of the national atlas data. d. On Dec 2, 2013, at 13:18, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: Yes, exactly. I know we're all obsessed with computers and stuff, but those guys were damn good at what they did, and shouldn't be underestimated. (Whether the maps are at an appropriate scale is a different issue.) But there's very little, if any, effort in keeping the quads up to date anymore. All the effort is focused on the national atlas. http://www.directionsmag.com/articles/us-topo-a-new-national-map-series/178707 -- Jeff Ollie smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] NC-SC Border survey
They aren't changing the border, they're finding it. d. On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:56, Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com wrote: On 11/13/2013 07:12 AM, Mike N wrote: As Richard mentioned, the next best source of data will be TIGER 2013, or those rare counties who have open, OSM compatible open data policies. The Constitution also requires that any change to a state line requires an act of Congress. Good luck getting our current Congress to agree on anything. (If the D's are for it, the R's must be against it, and vice versa.) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014
Having recently visited St Louis, I think that would be a great location. Inexpensive, well connected by air, and with several charming, walkable neighborhoods. Plus there are a number of Universities that might have inexpensive facilities. I would prefer that to expensive cities like Chicago and especially DC. And since I think a lot of people, like me, pay to attend out of their own pocket, cheap lodging is a big plus. (SF was a great conference, but brutal on the pocketbook). d. On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:48, Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com wrote: No question DC could host SotM US in style, but I'd be thrilled to see it move to the heartland. Too big of a stretch for it to be in Chicago? Eric On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote: Ok well don't let me get in your way! DC is always just a pretty easy default location and Boundless (OpenGeo) has organized conferences there before with MapBox. Happy to help if we can. On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:37, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: If we're going to be getting proposals from folks, I think I'd like to see that within a week, so 11/20 at the latest. We're moving very quickly on our end to come up with viable solutions, so I don't want to delay. I hope you understand! On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, let me ask a few folks what they think, including Bonnie, and I'll get back to the list. What are the preferred dates? On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:29, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jeff, If you or someone at Boundless (or someone else in DC) would like to put together a proposal for DC, those of us on the board would be happy to read it! What we need in a proposal can be found here: http://openstreetmap.us/2013/09/call-for-locations-sotm-us/ We'll need a very quick turnaround, but let us know if you start working on a proposal and we'll give you a sense of our timeline. Thanks! Kathleen On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote: What about DC that time of year? I'd really like to see more cooperation among USG agencies using and contributing to OSM and that may be a great time/place to kick that off. I'm sure Bonnie et al wouldn't object ;) I believe my employer (boundless) would be willing to help organize if it was close to home. On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:14, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jeff, We didn't receive any location proposals, so we're working on locations and will announce when we have something set up. Since the global SotM event is usually held in the second half of the year we've moved the time frame for SotM US up to Spring so that it's not too close to the global event. This puts us in March-May and FOSS4G is in September. Also, we've already had a SotM in Portland and while it was pretty darn great, we're trying to spread the love to other cities, too. -Ian On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote: According to the CfP, the decision should have been made by the end of last month. Anyone have any idea where the decision making progress is at? Also curious why it couldn't be held in the fall in conjunction with FOSS4G in Portland? Haven't heard much of anything on the global event either at this point. Thanks in advance! Jeff On Friday, September 13, 2013, Bonnie Bogle wrote: Hi everyone, The call for locations for State of the Map US 2014 is open! Find out all about it on the openstreetmap.us blog: http://openstreetmap.us/2013/09/call-for-locations-sotm-us/ State of the Map US is a great opportunity to bring US and international mappers together with folks from government, business, nonprofit, education, and more. It's about coming together and discussing the future of OpenStreetMap, and about bringing OpenStreetMap to a wider audience to grow it in numbers and diversity. This coming year we're aiming for a Spring date in March through May. We look forward to your submissions! Cheers, Bonnie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014
On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote: Also curious why it couldn't be held in the fall in conjunction with FOSS4G in Portland? Haven't heard much of anything on the global event either at this point. If by global event you mean FOSS4G and not SOTM, rest assured we're cranking away on getting things ready. There should be some exciting announcements in the near future. Darrell ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014
I meant the more 'global' SotM, not sure what the plan is for that in the fall. Its been very close to FOSS4G for the last several iterations, and wondering if that will be the case again in portland? No one from SOTM has been in contact with us about it. We're certainly happy to help to the extent we can, if that's what the organizers want to do. I don't know if any of the organizers on this list or not. Darrell smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014
at's right and we're very close to nailing down NYC or Chicago. We're about to hear back final numbers from a series of venues we've researched and reached out to. This will allow us to come up with a final budget and a decision on where to do SOTM-US in 2014. I'd love to keep focused on closing this down for 2014 in one of those two cities. Ugh. Well, I guess we know who has an expense account. Of those two, Chicago is preferable for being merely expensive as opposed to Are you f-ing kidding me expensive. d. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Battle Grid new improved
Unfortunately the Census is often wrong. I hope they are paying attention to the work we are doing. Too bad they're forbidden from incorporating it directly from OSM. :-| d. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal
On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:19, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: The ele tag is of unknown accuracy. It can be off by much more for mountains. This is the case when it's a real steep cliff between the sampling of NED data. found one peak where it was off by 300ft this is simply wrong and not useful. I'm hesitant to simply remove everything simply because some are inaccurate. I'd prefer to find a way to fix the incorrect ones. Darrell smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal
On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:38, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote: I am strenuously in favor of keeping whichever feature ID enables us to know the lineage and provenance of the GNIS point. That bit of metadata can be useful for downstream uses. I agree. While I know some are not fans of the various feature ids that many imports have, I think they're valuable, and would lean to keeping them where possible. Darrell smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Chapter Board Elections
We have more voting members than ever before (thanks in part to the membership drives around the previous SOTM US conferences) so the upcoming elections should be interesting and important! How does one check their membership status? I can't find it anywhere, and I can't remember if I'm current... d. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?
Part of the reason that the USPS disavows a geographic boundary for ZIP Codes is that they often keep residential delivery and commercial delivery and high-rise delivery (having apts or suites) separate even when they are next to each other on the street. This can be confusing if you assume a geographic basis for ZIP Codes. Carl. I've always thought the best way to think of it is that ZIP codes are built from delivery routes. In essence they are linear features. My favorite example is that many National Parks have a DC ZIP code, despite being.. well… a long way from DC, because mail is routed through the National Park Service headquarters. d. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags
Well then, we can use them to hide the parking lot symbols in DC. d. On Jun 14, 2013, at 15:11, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Don't knock the unicorn viewing sites. They are everywhere. On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: Please for the love of god, I see no one here in favor of it but you. They are imaginary, let's delete them and move on. They have no more place in OSM than unicorn viewing locations and alien landing sites. d. On Jun 14, 2013, at 14:43, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Again, I'm still not hearing a suggestion that would keep this valuable information in OSM, or a compelling reason not to keep it. We do map proposed routes, we don't map for the renderer. It still sounds like the core issue is some proposals are mapped more specifically than they are on paper. I don't think this is an insurmountable problem to fix within the boundaries of not tagging for the renderer. With that in mind, I would love to hear ideas how to tackle the proposed corridor issue so that they may be more properly mapped, not outright excluded over cyclemap rendering issues. On Jun 9, 2013 7:25 AM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Paul, You explicitly said that putting 50 mile wide corridors on OSM “would be an important advocacy tool.” That does not sound at all like “mapping reality.” I spend hundreds of hours a year on the phone, corresponding, and attending meetings to make the USBR a reality. I’ve personally been involved in getting over 2,000 miles of USBRs approved. Don’t give me stuff about being obtuse and saying the USBRS is a pipe dream. Personal insults are not the path forward. Kerry Irons From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:24 PM To: OpenStreetMap talk-us list Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 3:18 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: So Paul, what you really want is advocacy mapping. Not mapping reality but mapping what you want to have. It comes as a great surprise to me that this is what OSM is all about. Do you think this is the consensus of the OSM community? I thought OSM’s goal was to “accurately describe the world” but you are saying it is also advocacy. No, that's not what I'm advocating, and honestly, the way you're approaching this now, I really have to be wondering if you're being deliberately obtuse. Because if that's actually where you're coming from, you're essentially saying that the USBR system is a pipe dream. I'm not ready to buy that argument because the premise is fundamentally flawed on a level amounting to argumentum ad absurdum. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
But how would such a thing be tagged? For instance, here in Portland, we have defined neighborhoods, which have neighborhood associations, and a city bureau (the Office of Neighborhood Involvement) dedicated to working with those organizations. They are, in a very real, if not technically legal sense, administrative units of the City. There is often good correlation between perceived/colloquial neighborhood, and the boundaries defined by the ONI, but not always. So is there a need to distinguish in tags perceived neighborhoods and administrative defined ones? And, if we insist on being able to ground truth something, do perceived neighborhoods even belong anywhere in OSM? (For the record, I think the ground truth requirement to be quite often untenable…) d. On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:57, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Yea, I think this is where sources like Geonames and Zillow, which are built (to an extent) based on actual perceived names rather than official ones, could be so valuable - and why GNIS populated places are detrimental to OSM map quality, at least in many urban areas. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
One last thought. nextdoor.com is attempting to build on the concept of neighborhoods. I wonder if we could partner with them to get more help identifying their neighborhoods. Similar to Steve Coast's app that asked people to pick the front door of a house. Imagine if we had a bunch of people point to and name what they considered was their neighborhood. You'd end up with this: http://bostonography.com/images/misc/neighborhoods_labeled.jpg Discussed here: http://bostonography.com/2012/wanted-your-map-of-boston-neighborhoods/ d. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Examples Gov using OSM
The National Park Service. Mamata Akella talked about it at sotm.us, and she has a few blog posts on it, too: http://www.nps.gov/npmap/blog/introducing-park-tiles.html d. On Mar 26, 2013, at 06:50, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote: I think Alex' inquiry was meant the other way round. That is, governments using OSM data for whatever purpose. The example I'm most familiar with is TriMet in Portland, OR, which uses OSM as a basemap for their TripPlanner. [1] Are there other examples? [1] http://trimet.org/go/cgi-bin/plantrip.cgi -- SEJ -- twitter: @geomantic -- skype: sejohnson8 Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands from beans. -Empedocles smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] 8 locations for spring editathon, where is yours?
I just made the reservation. Portland is on for the 20th, 12:00-17:00 at the Lucky Lab Brewery, 915 SE Hawthorne. More details to follow. d. On Mar 26, 2013, at 17:58, Alex Barth a...@openstreetmap.us wrote: Ian Dees just added Chicago as city number 8 on our list for the spring #editathon: http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/03/april-spring-editathon/ LA, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Boston, Portland, San Francisco, [your city here] = what about you? Let's grow this! -- Alex Barth Secretary OpenStreetMap United States Inc. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
