Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup for Hurricane Harvey potential impact areas

[Hans De Kryger]

Thanks for letting me know, i'm on it!

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Brian May  wrote:

> Calling all TIGER fixup junkies. I've been poking around the coastal areas
> of Texas where Hurricane Harvey is expected to make landfall and seeing a
> lot of TIGER fixup needed. More and more websites depend on OSM so it would
> be nice to provide more accurate and updated info than what is there now.
> Maps and GIS are going to be heavily relied on especially after the storm.
>
> Common issues:
>
> - Streets that aren't there
>
> - Tracks marked as residential. Many tracks are barely visible or edges of
> farms and should be deleted.
>
> - Driveways marked as residential streets (should be service).
>
> - Streets needing realignment.
>
> - Streets not connecting properly.
>
>
> An interesting site using OSM is https://livestormchasing.com/map
>
> Storm chaser locations are shown on OSM in real time and there are video
> feeds from some of them. So that means you can get real time video of what
> the ground looks like! Lots of flooding already happening along the coast.
>
> Brian aka grouper
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Zip Data Removal Project (Update)

[Hans De Kryger]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I have moved on to my normal editing.

About the soft approach to tiger removal. I see no reason not to look into
it. Do i bring up these questions on github for Josm & iD?

On Jul 12, 2017 10:15 PM, <m...@rtijn.org> wrote:

> Hi Hans,
>
> I sincerely hope you’ll reconsider because I know that you have a lot of
> positive energy to bring to the US community.
>
> I think what you might take away from this is that a single thread on the
> mailing list is not always enough to gauge the temperature of the
> community. There are many mappers who are not on the mailing list at all
> or, like me, are on it but pay only occasional attention to it.  Once you
> start to get negative feedback on edits, I think it is a signal to pause
> and rethink, and perhaps spend some more time discussing. Not necessarily
> to give up! Criticism and negativity are cheap commodities on the internet,
> and OSM is no exception.
>
> I think there is value in your idea to remove redundant TIGER tags but
> perhaps a different approach is called for. Frederik had some good advice
> to share in that regard. Perhaps a more gentle way to go about it is to
> discuss extending the set of tags that are automatically removed when
> editing a TIGER way in JOSM (and iD?).
>
> Best
> Martijn
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Hans De Kryger <hans.dekryge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> So last month i started a discussion about a project i took on removing
> Tiger zip data across the U.S. I brought it to the community after i
> received concern from quite a few mappers in the U.S. After getting more
> unfriendly changeset comments and messages in my inbox i'm officially
> done.  The Project is done for good. Not really wanting to get in an
> argument daily with the messages I've gotten in my mailbox. I've learned
> first hand just how unfriendly the osm community can be. It makes me quite
> sad to see that side of the it. I've been apart of osm for 4+ years and
> this type of response from the community makes me never want to contribute
> ever again.
>
> *Regards,*
>
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[Talk-us] Tiger Zip Data Removal Project (Update)

[Hans De Kryger]

So last month i started a discussion about a project i took on removing
Tiger zip data across the U.S. I brought it to the community after i
received concern from quite a few mappers in the U.S. After getting more
unfriendly changeset comments and messages in my inbox i'm officially
done.  The Project is done for good. Not really wanting to get in an
argument daily with the messages I've gotten in my mailbox. I've learned
first hand just how unfriendly the osm community can be. It makes me quite
sad to see that side of the it. I've been apart of osm for 4+ years and
this type of response from the community makes me never want to contribute
ever again.

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Re: [Talk-us] Need advice on a project i've taken on

[Hans De Kryger]

You can see the progress i've made so far
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Hans De Kryger <hans.dekryge...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> *Regards,*
>
> *Hans*
>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Matheny <andrewdmath...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think Walter makes a fair point, but on the other hand, issues with
>> TIGER data are easily apparent when looking at the streets (ways aren't
>> straight, curves are messy, intersections aren't square, etc.) or when
>> armchair mappers compare them to the imagery. If they're wanting to figure
>> out which ways may need review for geometry, the variety of philosophies on
>> the tiger:reviewed key should allow a search using that (since the most
>> liberal user usually removes the key after they fix geometry while the most
>> conservative leaves it until on-the-ground checking is done)
>>
>> Other fields (like speed limits, surface, etc.) are only going to be
>> there if a user added that data at a later date. If someone's looking to
>> add those missing fields, I think they'd be more likely to run an OverPass
>> query or do a simple JOSM search of the objects in their dataframe rather
>> than going by the date it was last edited.
>>
>> I think this is a great idea. To address Walter's point, I would think
>> about using a special username for this project (like TIGERzipremoval or
>> something) and making sure your changeset comments cleary state that it's
>> an automated edit to remove the obsolete tags. That way it's easy to see
>> when anyone pulls up a way's history.
>>
>
> ​I would, but i already made over a million edits so far on my account.
> ​See link https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/tiger:zip_left#map
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 4:55 AM, Walter Nordmann <wnordm...@gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In Germany we say: don't touch an object just for cleanup.
>>>
>>> Cleanup without any other modifications (e.g in geometry)  will change
>>> the timestamp of that object (last changed!!!) and somebody may think: this
>>> way has been modified last week - so i don't need to check the geometry or
>>> the speed limit or something else.
>>>
>>> Ok, if you really change something, THEN you should cleanup old/unused
>>> tags.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> walter, aka wambacher
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 11.06.2017 um 05:21 schrieb Mike N:
>>>
>>>>  I agree that removing the non standard tags is almost always OK.
>>>>
>>>>  What is the advantage of removing them all with an automated edit?
>>>> Their presence doesn't damage anything, and editors can add those tags to
>>>> their passive removal list.
>>>>
>>>>   The TIGER name expansion resulted in a large benefit by removing a
>>>> manual task.   Changing unused tags would only add to the history file for
>>>> a small benefit.
>>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Need advice on a project i've taken on

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*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Matheny 
wrote:

> I think Walter makes a fair point, but on the other hand, issues with
> TIGER data are easily apparent when looking at the streets (ways aren't
> straight, curves are messy, intersections aren't square, etc.) or when
> armchair mappers compare them to the imagery. If they're wanting to figure
> out which ways may need review for geometry, the variety of philosophies on
> the tiger:reviewed key should allow a search using that (since the most
> liberal user usually removes the key after they fix geometry while the most
> conservative leaves it until on-the-ground checking is done)
>
> Other fields (like speed limits, surface, etc.) are only going to be there
> if a user added that data at a later date. If someone's looking to add
> those missing fields, I think they'd be more likely to run an OverPass
> query or do a simple JOSM search of the objects in their dataframe rather
> than going by the date it was last edited.
>
> I think this is a great idea. To address Walter's point, I would think
> about using a special username for this project (like TIGERzipremoval or
> something) and making sure your changeset comments cleary state that it's
> an automated edit to remove the obsolete tags. That way it's easy to see
> when anyone pulls up a way's history.
>

​I would, but i already made over a million edits so far on my account.
​See link https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/tiger:zip_left#map

>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 4:55 AM, Walter Nordmann  wrote:
>
>> In Germany we say: don't touch an object just for cleanup.
>>
>> Cleanup without any other modifications (e.g in geometry)  will change
>> the timestamp of that object (last changed!!!) and somebody may think: this
>> way has been modified last week - so i don't need to check the geometry or
>> the speed limit or something else.
>>
>> Ok, if you really change something, THEN you should cleanup old/unused
>> tags.
>>
>> Regards
>> walter, aka wambacher
>>
>>
>> Am 11.06.2017 um 05:21 schrieb Mike N:
>>
>>>  I agree that removing the non standard tags is almost always OK.
>>>
>>>  What is the advantage of removing them all with an automated edit?
>>> Their presence doesn't damage anything, and editors can add those tags to
>>> their passive removal list.
>>>
>>>   The TIGER name expansion resulted in a large benefit by removing a
>>> manual task.   Changing unused tags would only add to the history file for
>>> a small benefit.
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Need advice on a project i've taken on

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*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Shawn K. Quinn <skqu...@rushpost.com>
wrote:

> On 06/10/2017 03:40 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote:
> > I started about 2 weeks ago removing tiger zip data (Left & Right) from
> > Arizona, my home state. When i finished i thought i'd continue with a
> > few other states. As of now i've finished 15 states (1). The project is
> > currently on hold due to concern from other mappers. I'm aware that mass
> > edits on tiger data is not helpful due to it being hard to tell if it
> > was touched since the tiger import.
>
> What exactly is the rationale behind removing the zip code data?
>

​The usefulness is nonexistent ​

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[Talk-us] Need advice on a project i've taken on

[Hans De Kryger]

I started about 2 weeks ago removing tiger zip data (Left & Right) from
Arizona, my home state. When i finished i thought i'd continue with a few
other states. As of now i've finished 15 states (1). The project is
currently on hold due to concern from other mappers. I'm aware that mass
edits on tiger data is not helpful due to it being hard to tell if it was
touched since the tiger import.

(1) https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/tiger:zip_left#map

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Re: [Talk-us] Use without Attribution

[Hans De Kryger]

Report it here https://www.mapbox.com/blog/report-attribution-problems/

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> Looks like I am no longer a member of the "Talk" mailing list, so I will
> try here:
>
> https://mapnoco.org/results-intersection-quality
>
> The above site uses OSM as a basemap.
>
> Looks like the tiles come from Mapbox:
> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/uis.map-561ra9g7/15/6814/12356.png
>
> I was unable to find any attribution that credits OSM.
>
> 1) Did I miss the attribution? Is it somewhere on the page?
> 2) Does someone have a nicely worded template that uses all of the proper
> terminology which I could adapt and send to the site owner?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
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Re: [Talk-us] Edits by user jbarker2001 in Georgia

[Hans De Kryger]

Can you drop a changeset link for an example?

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Chris Lawrence  wrote:

> Just a heads up; this user seems to be adding some fantasy and/or proposed
> roads in with legit edits, mostly in central Georgia. I caught the most
> egregious thing (the unbuilt Eisenhower Parkway Extension) but there may be
> others that need cleaning up as well. Doesn't seem malicious at least, so
> hopefully comments on his(?) changesets will have an educational effect.
>
>
> Chris
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Re: [Talk-us] Check your turn:lanes

[Hans De Kryger]

The link Jack's talking about,

https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/180

Regards,
Hans

On Aug 24, 2016 4:09 PM, "Toby Murray"  wrote:

> Mind sharing the link to the GitHub issue?
>
> Do they think that "none" is an invalid option and are replacing it
> with a blank globally? If so, this should be shut down immediately.
> "none" and blank are both valid values and while I wouldn't mind
> seeing it be consistent, any such edit would need to be discussed
> before it is done.
>
> Toby
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Jack Burke  wrote:
> > An active OSM group (leaving names, etc. out while they check out what I
> > reported) is running a script or plug-in or challenge called "to-fix"
> that
> > is apparently supposed to help fix incorrect turn:lanes values (and maybe
> > other things, I haven't investigated deeply enough).
> >
> > The problem is, it's breaking the values instead.  I found a section of
> road
> > that I'd added turn:lanes to in order to provide lane guidance at an
> exit.
> > My original value of "none|none|none|none|none;slight_right" was
> replaced by
> > "slight_right".
> >
> > While, per the wiki, there's nothing particularly wrong with a null value
> > for a field vs. specifying "none" as the value, it *does* make a
> difference
> > when there are two values in the field, as in my example above.  They
> turned
> > a continue-on-or-exit lane into an exit-only lane.
> >
> > So if you find broken lane guidance like that, with empty fields where
> > "none" would also be appropriate, that's probably what happened.  Check
> the
> > history on the way and see if you can backtrack what happened
> (fortunately,
> > the group involved here included a url to a github issue where they are
> > tracking what they're doing).
> >
> > Now I have 200 miles of Interstate to go back through and re-check.
> >
> > --jack
> >
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[Talk-us] (Warning) Check Email For Your Name

[Hans De Kryger]

If you're the owner of any of these email accounts, your account may have
been compromised.

(Nancy Michael, Serge Wroclaski, Peter Dobratz, Martijn Van Exel, Richard
Weait, Tod Fitch)

I came across suspicions emails that were "supposedly" from these email
accounts. They appeared in my spam box all at the same time. Was able to
screenshot it quickly and write the names down. Don't remember what each
email said but they weren't consistent with a normal email from these
users. Just checked today and they all disappeared.
*Regards,*

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Re: [Talk-us] ImproveOSM data refresh and some updates

[Hans De Kryger]

Hey Martijn,

Was hoping you guys would add zoom 19 to the recent update. Submitted a few
months ago on the feedback tool already.

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> ImproveOSM has just seen a data refresh that I thought I’d let you know
> about. We ran the latest GPS data against OSM data from May 4 and the
> results are live on the ImproveOSM web site and JOSM plugins. That said,
> don’t hesitate to let me know if you find data you think is incorrect or
> have ideas of what could be improved. There is also a feedback tool on
> improve-osm.org you can use for that.
>
> We made some usability improvements to the plugin as well, I wrote about
> those on the Improve OSM blog[0]. That post also contains a link to this
> 7-question survey about ImproveOSM[1]. If you have a few minutes to
> complete it, you are helping us make ImproveOSM a better tool for all of
> us.
>
> Martijn
>
> [0]
> http://blog.improve-osm.org/en/updates-to-improveosm-josm-plugin-for-better-usability/
> [1] http://goo.gl/forms/Oa7tFEpNSA The survey does not collect personal
> information. However, if you are not comfortable with submitting anything
> through Google Forms, here’s a PDF:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/q13n0jkk6chirk3/Help%20Improve%20ImproveOSM.pdf?dl=0
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages

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I see nothing on the entire site linking/mentioning osm. their emails
i...@pieology.com if you want to contact them.

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:

> I'm seeing OSM data used more and more for generating the basemap onto
> which things like store location data is displayed on store websites.
> However, it's not always easy to find links to OSM attribution on such maps.
>
> Has anyone seen this?
>
> http://locations.pieology.com/
>
> There's a link to http://www.mobify.com/ in the lower-left corner, but I
> can't seem to find any links to http://www.openstreetmap.org/ anywhere on
> the page.
>
> Peter
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Re: [Talk-us] Bing imagery

[Hans De Kryger]

My area here in Glendale Arizona and its surrounding area got a much needed
update from Microsoft when they updated bing imagery last summer. Don't
remember the month but i was really excited. I know they updated a lot of
the major cities in the U.S, sadly they didn't touch any small towns that i
know of. Also this is the only website (1) i know of that talks about
imagery updates as they happen. I'm not sure how are imagery from bing is
sourced from Microsoft. But anytime there blog announced new imagery in any
area we've always had it instantly. So i assume it's a live feed. So keep
an eye on that blog. Otherwise the alternative is Mapbox's imagery which
has not been updated at all since it was introduced into OSM.

1.) https://blogs.bing.com/maps/

Regards, Hans
On Feb 17, 2016 3:55 PM, "Ed Hillsman"  wrote:

> Is there any information on when we might see more recent imagery? There’s
> been a fair amount of infill development in my part of town, and I’d like
> to map outlines and parking rather than just points or approximations. I
> checked the available NAIP imagery for the area, and it seems to be of the
> same vintage as the Bing.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Papa John's Delivery Boundary in OSM

[Hans De Kryger]

It's been deleted (Changeset: 36210443)

*Regards,*

*Hans*

*http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
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On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:

> Definitely seems plausible as a delivery boundary.  Someone get a boat, go
> a few miles out into Leonardtown Bay and order a pizza.  Then complain when
> they don't deliver.  ;o)
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Hans De Kryger <hans.dekryge...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/51744998
>>
>> *Regards,*
>>
>> *Hans*
>>
>> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Shawn K. Quinn <skqu...@rushpost.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If it really is a pizza restaurant's delivery boundary, then it should
>>> just be deleted. Is there anything to indicate it might actually be
>>> something else?
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Elliott Plack <elliott.pl...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: 2015/12/24 20:20 (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
>>> Subject: [Talk-us] Papa John's Delivery Boundary in OSM
>>>
>>> I'm not exactly sure what this is, but it is certainly and odd boundary.
>>> The name since V1 is Papa Johns #2997. I wonder if it is actually a CDP or
>>> maybe something that got merged incorrectly somehow. Any thoughts?
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Re: [Talk-us] Papa John's Delivery Boundary in OSM

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Really hard to tell if it could of been another type of boundary. The
boundary is 6 years old. Which makes you think it might have been.
Ah yes, I forgot to attach the link! Thanks Hans.

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:25 PM Hans De Kryger <hans.dekryge...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/51744998
>
> *Regards,*
>
> *Hans*
>
> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Shawn K. Quinn <skqu...@rushpost.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If it really is a pizza restaurant's delivery boundary, then it should
>> just be deleted. Is there anything to indicate it might actually be
>> something else?
>>  Original message 
>> From: Elliott Plack <elliott.pl...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 2015/12/24 20:20 (GMT-06:00)
>> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: [Talk-us] Papa John's Delivery Boundary in OSM
>>
>> I'm not exactly sure what this is, but it is certainly and odd boundary.
>> The name since V1 is Papa Johns #2997. I wonder if it is actually a CDP or
>> maybe something that got merged incorrectly somehow. Any thoughts?
>> --
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Re: [Talk-us] Papa John's Delivery Boundary in OSM

[Hans De Kryger]

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/51744998

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On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Shawn K. Quinn 
wrote:

> If it really is a pizza restaurant's delivery boundary, then it should
> just be deleted. Is there anything to indicate it might actually be
> something else?
>  Original message 
> From: Elliott Plack 
> Date: 2015/12/24 20:20 (GMT-06:00)
> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Talk-us] Papa John's Delivery Boundary in OSM
>
> I'm not exactly sure what this is, but it is certainly and odd boundary.
> The name since V1 is Papa Johns #2997. I wonder if it is actually a CDP or
> maybe something that got merged incorrectly somehow. Any thoughts?
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[Talk-us] Street names that need expanding

[Hans De Kryger]

Anyone know a overpass query to find street names that need expanding?
Wanted to find some in Arizona but have no experience at overpass. Any help
would be appreciated.


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[Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

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Late last year September 2014 i sent an email about a 2009 San Diego
address import that needed it's street names expanded by a bot. It was
imported before the community had an acceptance of expanding street names.
Any chance some one can run a bot to expand them. I have no experience on
that. Not home right now, but you search anywhere near San Diego and check
an address and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Re: [Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

[Hans De Kryger]

Thanks tod i really appreciate your help.
On Nov 9, 2015 8:43 PM, "Richard Welty"  wrote:

> On 11/9/15 8:23 PM, Tod Fitch wrote:
> > Perhaps true in general, but in this specific case the administrative
> boundary for San Diego (1) is quite a long way from the post office in Pine
> Valley (2)(3) and the Pine Valley post office is most likely to have a
> postal name of “Pine Valley” as displayed on the front of the building
> (right next to the restaurant I ate in last week and I saw it). And the
> post office is in the administrative boundary for Pine Valley (4). (I was
> wrong earlier in assuming that there was no administrative boundary for
> Pine Valley.)
> >
> maybe but i would do some more research before making an assumption.
> i'm aware of many postal city addresses that are in different counties
> than the
> "real" cities and i believe there are at least 4 cases where postal
> delivery
> crosses state lines.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

[Hans De Kryger]

I noticed some of that, was hoping it wasn't everywhere. Is this any way to
target an area with a bot inside each city administration line and change
the city to the right one or does that need to be done manually?
On Nov 9, 2015 2:51 PM, "Tod Fitch" <t...@fitchdesign.com> wrote:

> I think you are referring to this change set:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/3411425
>
> I noticed errors in it the other week when adding a restaurant in Pine
> Valley and noted on the mail list:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2015-November/015634.html
>
> It appears to me that there are more things wrong than just the street
> name expansion, for instance all the addresses in Pine Valley claim to be
> in the city of San Diego (the boundary for which is quite some distance
> away).
>
> That import needs to be cleaned up but I hope some local mapper(s) can
> take the lead. I don’t live in the area but will be driving through there
> from time to time in the next couple of months and will fix the very
> limited areas I can personally survey.
>
> -Tod
>
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Hans De Kryger <hans.dekryge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Late last year September 2014 i sent an email about a 2009 San Diego
> address import that needed it's street names expanded by a bot. It was
> imported before the community had an acceptance of expanding street names.
> Any chance some one can run a bot to expand them. I have no experience on
> that. Not home right now, but you search anywhere near San Diego and check
> an address and you'll see what I'm talking about.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] CrossCountryRoads.com

[Hans De Kryger]

Thanks Martijn! That's awesome.
On Nov 3, 2015 9:56 AM, "Martijn van Exel"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was in touch with Tom Valazak who created and maintains
> crosscountryroads.com, a site somewhat similar to aaroads.com containing
> images and video footage for interstates and highways in more than 40 US
> states. He generously grants OSM permission to use the images on his site
> for mapping more freeway related information such as signposts, lane
> counts, speed limits. I created a wiki page for this:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CrossCountryRoads.com
>
> I hope you find it useful. If you do, please drop Tom a line through his
> web site, I am sure he would appreciate it.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Self Storage Places

[Hans De Kryger]

Thanks guys!

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On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Jack Burke <burke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I use commercial.
>
> To me, retail implies that you can take home a product (even if it's food
> in your stomach). Commercial means you are buying a service.
>
> -jack
>
>
>
> On October 1, 2015 1:35:14 AM EDT, Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Hans De Kryger <
>> hans.dekryge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What landuse should i use for Self Storage places?
>>
>>
>> I'd most likely use retail but commercial depending on the location,might
>> also be appropriate.
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

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On Sep 28, 2015 11:57 AM, "Eric Ladner" <eric.lad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:44 PM Hans De Kryger <hans.dekryge...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> I've always hated when someone maps driveways in residential area's. But
that's just my opinion. Everyone has their opinion on what should and
should not be mapped. Driveways are only fine in urban area's. It makes
sense to me. But otherwise no.
>
> Did you mean "rural areas"?

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Re: [Talk-us] More strangeness in Baltimore

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That's the user's 3rd account?

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On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Elliott Plack <elliott.pl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hans: I saw they had been blocked but it expired:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Police%20Department%20Of%20New%20York%20City%20Of%20New%20York/blocks
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM Hans De Kryger <hans.dekryge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Did his new account get blocked too?
>> On Sep 15, 2015 12:22 PM, "Elliott Plack" <elliott.pl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This changeset has the exact same extent of the earlier ones from the
>>> BmoreHomicide user. Seems like they made a new account. Watch that one for
>>> any additional changesets.
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 3:56 PM Toby Murray <toby.mur...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed. The 7-Eleven shop this user added (twice - once as a node,
>>>> once as a way) does not appear on the store locator on 7-eleven.com.
>>>> While it wouldn't be entirely out of the question that OSM had a newer
>>>> location than the chain's own store locator, the edits do seem very
>>>> much the same as those from the previous two accounts that were banned
>>>> so I'm pretty convinced it is the same person. Looks like Andy just
>>>> blocked him again. I'll do a quick revert of the changesets.
>>>>
>>>> Toby
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Jack Burke <burke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I'll put money on it being the same vandal.
>>>> > 1) The account was created today
>>>> > 2) The account profile has the following on it: "Homicide: Life On The
>>>> > Street Baltimore 1990"
>>>> >
>>>> > -jack
>>>> >
>>>> > On September 14, 2015 1:26:47 PM EDT, Andy Townsend <
>>>> ajt1...@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Can any Baltimore locals veryify or otherwise the changes in
>>>> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34024769 ?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It looks a similar style to the recent problematical ones there and
>>>> at
>>>> >> the very least that one seems to break some bus route relations.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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Re: [Talk-us] More strangeness in Baltimore

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Did his new account get blocked too?
On Sep 15, 2015 12:22 PM, "Elliott Plack"  wrote:

> This changeset has the exact same extent of the earlier ones from the
> BmoreHomicide user. Seems like they made a new account. Watch that one for
> any additional changesets.
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 3:56 PM Toby Murray  wrote:
>
>> Agreed. The 7-Eleven shop this user added (twice - once as a node,
>> once as a way) does not appear on the store locator on 7-eleven.com.
>> While it wouldn't be entirely out of the question that OSM had a newer
>> location than the chain's own store locator, the edits do seem very
>> much the same as those from the previous two accounts that were banned
>> so I'm pretty convinced it is the same person. Looks like Andy just
>> blocked him again. I'll do a quick revert of the changesets.
>>
>> Toby
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Jack Burke  wrote:
>> > I'll put money on it being the same vandal.
>> > 1) The account was created today
>> > 2) The account profile has the following on it: "Homicide: Life On The
>> > Street Baltimore 1990"
>> >
>> > -jack
>> >
>> > On September 14, 2015 1:26:47 PM EDT, Andy Townsend 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Can any Baltimore locals veryify or otherwise the changes in
>> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34024769 ?
>> >>
>> >> It looks a similar style to the recent problematical ones there and at
>> >> the very least that one seems to break some bus route relations.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 
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Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

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Is all 200 changesets the same? If so i"d report it to the data working
group. Here's there email - d...@osmfoundation.org

The only reason i suggest this instead of handing out yourself it's due to
the large amount of changesets.
On Sep 10, 2015 6:10 PM, "Elliott Plack"  wrote:

> This is very strange! The user HomicideBaltimore has been mapping all
> kinds of buildings around Baltimore that don't exist. They're old public
> housing projects or rowhomes that were razed, but seem to have been used on
> the set of the NBC show Homicide, Life on the Streets, shot in Baltimore.
>
> What should I do?
>
> This user is introducing all kinds of invalid data, and fair thoroughly
> mapped stuff too. All in iD, which is odd. The current Bing imagery shows
> none of this. I am shocked that someone would spend this much time on such
> a thing.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3726365602 - Police station in the
> show, not a real police station.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33940333 this block was razed
> years ago, and has been replaced by a new building.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33889607 This area has been
> cleared and replaced by some new buildings.
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HomicideBaltimore/history#map=15/39.3011/-76.5900
>
> There are nearly 200 changsets around Baltimore like this! I have spent
> considerable time mapping in this area, adding the brownfields and such.
> Not to mention the Baltimore Import, much of which is being trashed by this
> user.
>
> What can be done? I commented on one changeset, but I don't have any
> experience reverting things.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Question?

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Sorry for the late response, great idea Clifford. I will contact the editor
first. But my opinion is it does not meet the requirements and therefor
should be removed from osm. If it should be moved to OHM is another
discussion.

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Sorry about that, should of been more specific. I meant the archeological
 site.
 On Jun 29, 2015 2:24 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:


 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
 wrote:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Darchaeological_site


 Thanks for pointing out the wiki page on archaeological sites. I wasn't
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[Talk-us] Question?

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Would this be better in OpenHistoricalMap?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/33.44692/-112.09043

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Re: [Talk-us] Things that are not buildings but are used as one

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On Jun 1, 2015 7:53 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:



 On Mon Jun 1 15:40:22 2015 GMT+0100, Jack Burke wrote:
  Is it correct to tag a non-building object with building=yes if it is
functionally used as one?
 
  As examples, I'm thinking about restaurants that use an old train car
as a dining room, or this unusual example of a riverboat as a welcome
center http://osm.org/go/Tv8f5t42q?layers=Nway=349671718
 
 I see nothing wrong with this approach,  HMS Belfast is mapped as
building=ship, http://osm.org/way/5006061.
+1

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Re: [Talk-us] NPF is Using OSM

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Awesome! Thanks Clifford!

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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 The National Park Foundation is using OSM in the site
 http://findyourpark.com/ with attribution!

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Re: [Talk-us] PennLive.com using OSM without attribution?

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Just received an email from nick the writer of the article saying he would
take care of it today.

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I sent him a email, i'll let you know when i get a reply.

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 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:27 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 http://www.pennlive.com/projects/2015/pa-turnpike-tunnels/

 Just happened to see this article talking about the future of the
 Allegheny Tunnels along the PA Turnpike (I-76/I-70).  About 2/3rd down in
 the article, they have a screenshot of OSM there showing the possible new
 alignments for the PA Turnpike.

 My question is, is this allowed with the current license, or do they
 still need to have the attribution on the image (or right below it)?

 If somebody that is more knowledgeable in this would like to contact them
 about this if they are in the wrong, please, be my guest.

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Re: [Talk-us] PennLive.com using OSM without attribution?

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I sent him a email, i'll let you know when i get a reply.

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:27 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 http://www.pennlive.com/projects/2015/pa-turnpike-tunnels/

 Just happened to see this article talking about the future of the
 Allegheny Tunnels along the PA Turnpike (I-76/I-70).  About 2/3rd down in
 the article, they have a screenshot of OSM there showing the possible new
 alignments for the PA Turnpike.

 My question is, is this allowed with the current license, or do they still
 need to have the attribution on the image (or right below it)?

 If somebody that is more knowledgeable in this would like to contact them
 about this if they are in the wrong, please, be my guest.

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Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

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It looks awesome steve great job, i love seeing addresses added to osm as
well.​

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On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:





 Am 11.04.2015 um 16:47 schrieb Steve Friedl st...@unixwiz.net:

 but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn’t look
 right, so maybe I’m doing something wrong.




 don't worry, the current rendering of house numbers is more aiming at the
 mappers (to give an idea of completeness) rather than to look pretty for a
 general map consumer...

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Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

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On Apr 2, 2015 7:08 AM, EthnicFood IsGreat ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 It's apparent to me that consensus will never be reached on whether or
not abandoned railroads belong in OSM (at least the way it is currently
configured), given the strong feelings on both sides of the issue.  That's
why I think moving them to OHM is a good compromise.  I don't like it, but
I would rather do that than see this data lost forever.  At least in OHM,
the data still lives, and can always be moved back to OSM later if a
solution to the problem of historic features can be found.

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Re: [Talk-us] New North America coverage of Osmose QA

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Thanks Frederic!
On Apr 2, 2015 11:57 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 This is amazing news. Osmose is a really valuable tool.

 Also there is a good integration with MapRoulette that Frédéric built, and
 has already resulted in some interesting challenges. As you explore Osmose,
 let me know if you want any other QA themes from Osmose to appear in
 MapRoulette.

 Martijn

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 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Osmose QA is a Quality Assurance tool. It detects and reports errors
 based on more than 200 rulesets.

 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose

 We are glad to announce the new North American coverage of Osmose QA.
 After Africa and Antarctica, America is the last fully covered continent.
 This is possible because of interest of MapBox on data quality and their
 sponsorship of Osmose QA project through OpenStreetMap-France with € 2.000
 donation. This allowed us to rent a new server for a couple of years to run
 the North America analysis.

 After the new active areas are in place, we checked the results and
 adjusted the analysers according to local mapping usages. Nevertheless we
 are still open to comments (and code) to improve the quality of errors
 detection.

 Setting up quality analyser in a new area always come up with lot of
 errors detected - and some errors coming from noisy imports. Do not
 discourage yourself by the quantity of errors. In Osmose QA you can filter
 errors by severity, categories, topics and so on. You can look up at errors
 on objects where your are the last editor. You can also show errors list,
 exports and graph over time.

 We plan to rent a second server and try to finish Europe coverage. Then
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Re: [Talk-us] Why?

[Hans De Kryger]

Thanks paul!

*Regards,*

*Hans*


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On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

  On 2/28/2015 4:07 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote:

 The city of Escondido has this mega residential area. Just wondering why?

  http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/33.1035/-117.0940

 There's a few things going on here

 One is that there has been an import or tracing from an official landuse
 plan (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/125990327). There is no
 documentation of this on the lists or wiki, and the link in the source_ref
 tag has stopped working. There is also a potentially related import (e.g.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/597144689), also without documentation.

 The second is that Escondido really does appear to be residential outside
 the core. Even if there are problems with the imported or official landuse
 data, you still have a core of commercial, retail and industrial surrounded
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[Talk-us] Why?

[Hans De Kryger]

The city of Escondido has this mega residential area. Just wondering why?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/33.1035/-117.0940


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[Talk-us] San Diego Import Mess

[Hans De Kryger]

As seen here (1) the San Diego import didn't expand the street names. Is
there any chance someone can run a mechanical edit to fix it? And yes i
know how controversial mechanical edits are.


1.) http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/32.81961/-116.96264


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Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

[Hans De Kryger]

I use the same tag (addr:unit) been using it mostly for retail areas with
suite numbers. Haven't used it anywhere else yet.
On Feb 3, 2015 1:40 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:


 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 Wonder if we could get this added to the address presets, as this (at
 least for the US) is a pretty big deal between office towers, apartment
 buildings, trailer parks, and almost every other situation where you have
 multiple tenants on the same cadastre lot...


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Re: [Talk-us] Who's Using OSM - Super Bowl Central

[Hans De Kryger]

Awesome find! Thanks Greg!

*Regards,*

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On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote:

 As soon as I saw the email I knew what was up. The 2015 Super Bowl
 Experience is in Downtown Phoenix. The Valley Metro transportation
 group is using MapBox/OSM tiles for detours and such
 http://www.valleymetrosb.com/super-bowl-central/
 http://www.valleymetrosb.com/downtown-phoenix-detours/

 Those years of enjoyable lunch time surveys is paying off!

 Regards,
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[Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Abbreviation Problem

[Hans De Kryger]

Has anyone thought about doing a mechanical edit for the San Diego address
import to fix the abbreviation problem? I know it was discussed before,
checking my saved emails it was talk about last July. Just never resolved.


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Re: [Talk-us] Retail Example using OSM

[Hans De Kryger]

​And it has proper credit for osm. Awesome!​

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Michael Patrick geodes...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Michaels craft stores
 http://www.michaels.com/store-locator

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[Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

[Hans De Kryger]

Does anyone know if osm navigation apps can route you to your location
using area's tagged with a full address? I ask because I've been tagging
apartment complexes, (Retail area's with names) with full addresses. Adding
the data to the area.

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[Talk-us] Rand McNally is using OSM

[Hans De Kryger]

Rand McNally is using OSM in TripMaker. Say what? No way.

1.) http://tripmaker.randmcnally.com/
2.) https://www.mapbox.com/blog/rand-mcnally-uses-mapbox/


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Re: [Talk-us] Rand McNally is using OSM

[Hans De Kryger]

Yeah Tod i noticed the same thing. I wrote a post about.

https://plus.google.com/102644710578361705487/posts/B5HosjDwT2g

I went to an area i edited to check if it was osm also.

Regards,
Hans
On Nov 22, 2014 7:51 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote:

 Interesting. . . Nothing saying they are using OSM in the mapbox blog post
 nor do I see acknowledgement of OSM on the Rand McNally slippery map or
 surrounding frame on the map page itself.

 But zooming into areas that I've edited on OSM I can definitely tell that
 it is OSM data they are using (I know where I've completed adding building
 from Bing, etc.).

 Nice to see they are using OSM but it would be nicer to see it clearly
 labeled as using data from OSM.

 -Tod

 On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote:

 Rand McNally is using OSM in TripMaker. Say what? No way.

 1.) http://tripmaker.randmcnally.com/
 2.) https://www.mapbox.com/blog/rand-mcnally-uses-mapbox/


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Re: [Talk-us] Rand McNally is using OSM

[Hans De Kryger]

Send me the email Clifford i'll contact them also.

Regards,
Hans
On Nov 22, 2014 8:22 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:


 On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
 wrote:

 On 11/22/14 9:29 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote:

  Rand McNally is using OSM in TripMaker. Say what? No way.

 1.) http://tripmaker.randmcnally.com/
  2.) https://www.mapbox.com/blog/rand-mcnally-uses-mapbox/

  perhaps someone smarter than i am can point out where the
 attribution for OSM contributors is on the Rand McNally site.


 Yep - I see houses I added in Washington State. No doubt it's OSM.

 Under Help, there is a link for attribution, but on Chrome and Firefox, it
 doesn't do anything.

 I sent feedback to the site asking them to follow our wiki to properly
 give credit to OSM. I'd suggest we all send feedback. Maybe they will get
 the hint.

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Re: [Talk-us] Rand McNally is using OSM

[Hans De Kryger]

Not sure why the website can't use the same contribution links as google
maps does with its 4 different map sources on the bottom right of their
map. Since rand shows on their attribution page that they get their map
data from 4 different sources also.

Regards,
Hans

Send me the email Clifford i'll contact them also.

Regards,
Hans
On Nov 22, 2014 8:22 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:


 On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
 wrote:

 On 11/22/14 9:29 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote:

  Rand McNally is using OSM in TripMaker. Say what? No way.

 1.) http://tripmaker.randmcnally.com/
  2.) https://www.mapbox.com/blog/rand-mcnally-uses-mapbox/

  perhaps someone smarter than i am can point out where the
 attribution for OSM contributors is on the Rand McNally site.


 Yep - I see houses I added in Washington State. No doubt it's OSM.

 Under Help, there is a link for attribution, but on Chrome and Firefox, it
 doesn't do anything.

 I sent feedback to the site asking them to follow our wiki to properly
 give credit to OSM. I'd suggest we all send feedback. Maybe they will get
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Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns

[Hans De Kryger]

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 2014-11-14 21:44 GMT+01:00 tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de:

 Am 14.11.2014 19:15, schrieb Jack Burke:

 What about submerged ones? Do we bother with those?

 if we stumble over them, why not

 and it sounds for my as if those
 towns are still structures of reality



 yes, another example is this one in Tuscany, It, which is normally
 submerged in a lake, but will come to light every 10 years or so when the
 lake is dried out for maintenance of the dam:
 http://rete.comuni-italiani.it/foto/2009/61975

  ​That is awesome! Thanks for sharing Martin!​
​ ​

Situations like this:
 http://www.gruene-bundestag.de/typo3temp/pics/e6d0cd2a32.jpg
  are very different, in that nothing of the original landscape (or
 village) remains (this is open pit mining of lignite in Saxony, Germany, or
 more precisely a place called Heuersdorf close to the mine Vereinigtes
 Schleenhain pic taken 09-02-2009). Another image here:
 http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/17845958

 The latter example shouldn't probably be mapped in OSM, as there is
 literally nothing left now, while the former is still there, it is simply
 degraded by the water and not visible most of the time due to the lake.

 cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] Palmer Motorsports Park...

[Hans De Kryger]

Wow they really built that in the middle of nowhere. Hopefully mapbox gets
some new imagery soon so we can see it to. Awesome job thanks Richard!

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
wrote:

 ... is now on the map:

 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/42.2360/-72.2444

 it won't open until mid summer but the pavement is down and
 i got 3 1/4 laps of it this morning driving the track centerline with
 tracklogger on my nexus 7. i also left the new track manager
 (Charlie was just hired 2 days ago) with a house warming present
 in the form of a 4 pack of toilet paper.

 so there's another race track that is in OSM and pretty much nowhere
 else (i did the new Thompson Road CT course this past summer, and
 our version is way, way better than what's in Google Maps.)

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Re: [Talk-us] User randomly adding speed limits across the US

[Hans De Kryger]

Did find this, if this helps at all. Max speed limit for roads in
Pennsylvania.

I highly doubt the speed limit for the road in link 3 also. It's a
residential road.

1.) http://www.speed-limits.com/pennsylvania.htm

*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com
wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-11-11 at 00:51 -0500, James Mast wrote:
  Heck, it could even lead to bad press if somebody gets a speeding
  ticket and they try to blame OSM for it because of the incorrect speed
  limit in the database.

 No decent motorist has any excuse for trusting OSM data over the numbers
 on the speed limit signs.


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[Talk-us] Ghost Towns

[Hans De Kryger]

Anyone know if we map ghost towns in osm? Couldn't find anything, not even
a tag.

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Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature

[Hans De Kryger]

I agree with SteveA  Greg on the points they made. I would also like to
add the following suggestions and opinions.

1.) We the U.S osm group need to make decisions on address problems that
remain unresolved.

2.) Document the changes if any are made/agreed upon in the wiki.

3.) I disagree that adding state data in addresses in the U.S is of little
value. Either abbreviated or not.

This now seems to point to a much larger problem overall that the osm
community has had. Not just in the U.S but in the osm community as a whole.
The need for us to come to agreement on address issues that have come to
light continue to grow. It seems to me if we want addresses to be apart of
the map and done right these issues need to be resolved soon. Other wise we
will continue to be held back in any further progress we can make. Making
the problem much more difficult to solve in the future.

Regards,
Hans
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote:


 It is unfortunate that importers are dropping values like addr:city and
 addr:state during US imports.  Especially when they appear to have clean
 data at the time of import.  There are other users of the OSM data than
 just Nominatim.  I imagine that our data looks crappy to a person wanting
 addresses without the concerns or abilities of GIS applications.


To be clear, addr:city *IS* being used on imports and is useful
information. Postal addresses for cities often extend far beyond the
physical city boundaries and therefore can not be inferred by use of
boundary relations. This is not the case with state and country which means
the information in these tags is duplicated data.

4.) Though not confirmed by me, it feels like to me that European addr:city
 values actually mean a city boundary.  I am guessing Nominatim prefers
 addr:city over is_in tags because of my perceived idea that European
 addr:city values more closely match the actual jurisdiction geometric
 area.  What does addr:city in the US mean then?  The jurisdiction of the
 POI or the postal value for the POI?


Nominatim actually does not correctly use addr:city. You are correct in
that it does assume a better match between physical border and postal city
address. What happens is it actually puts city information on *roads* based
on boundary relations and place=* nodes. Then it links individual address
points to the roads. The addr:city tags on POIs and building outlines is
actually completely ignored. This leads to things like this address not
being found if you search for it in Manhattan, KS:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2209430502

On the other hand, this one on the next street over is found because I
added an addr:city tag to the road:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2209427353
road:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/13226787

I consider this to be a nominatim bug and haven't attempted to do a mass
tagging of roads with addr:city because I see this as essentially tagging
for the renderer.


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[Talk-us] New I.D Feature

[Hans De Kryger]

​As seen in this photo, the new feature in I.D has me a bit confused, As is
the rule already in osm. We do not abbreviate addresses at all. My question
would be, how do we add state data. Abbreviated as seen here (AZ) or
spelled out (Arizona) ?
Any help would be appreciated.

*Regards,*

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[Talk-us] GeoNames Wikimapia Data Use

[Hans De Kryger]

Seems to me we are free to use the data in GeoNames(1) It's under
Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License(2) My only concern with the data
and this is the same for Wikimapia(3) is the imagery used in the
background. It happens to be google maps. Both maps derived their data from
google maps imagery which makes this whole thing murky. All i can find for
Wikimapia (4) - (5)

(1) - http://www.geonames.org/about.html
(2) - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
(3) - http://wikimapia.org/
(4) -
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=enlat=33.580600lon=-112.237400z=12m=bshow=/terms_reference.html
(5) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiMapia#Licensing

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[Talk-us] Vandalism

[Hans De Kryger]

I'd like to report vandalism from this user - (http://goo.gl/K0utbF) for
this changeset - (http://goo.gl/s1eooa)

Anyone have the DWG's email?

*Regards,*

*Hans*


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Re: [Talk-us] Vandalism

[Hans De Kryger]

I'll attempt to reach out. But it always seems that these one edit users
never respond.

Regards,
Hans
On Oct 9, 2014 1:12 AM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-10-09 at 02:44 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
  Yeah, umm...I realize I have a bit of a history on this subject that
  I'd rather not rehash in detail right now, but I'm going to have to
  concur that we should not go zero to vandalism accusations for what
  definitely seems well within a reasonable doubt of being a good faith
  newbie attempt gone wrong.  Did anybody try reaching out to the user
  and offering to help?

 I reverted the edit (to minimize the damage), but I'm not nearly as
 comfortable doing the reaching out part at the moment.

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[Talk-us] Speed limit sign tagging

[Hans De Kryger]

How does the mapping community feel about tagging the location of speed
limit signs? I remember another mapper brought up this topic somewhere
outside the mailing list. The mapper explained that he mapped the location
of speed limit signs for future reference to verify the speed limits of
roads. I wanted other mappers opinions on how they feel about this. In my
opinion i would 100% agree with this view. We need a way to verify a speed
limit of a road if we want to keep the roads up to date.

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

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I've been mapping rural area's south of Tucson for months now trying to
clean up roads from the tiger import. As much help as they are they can
also be a headache. Some don't exist or are miles off. I've found about 75%
are actually residential roads. The other are tracks. Still have a long way
to go. Every where rural i look in Arizona the roads are just a mess from
the tiger and import. I'm a one man team. Don't know anyone else working on
this issue.

Regards,
Hans
On Sep 2, 2014 7:40 PM, Mark Newnham m...@newnhams.com wrote:

 Seeing as I already spend 70% of my time mapping unpaved roads in
 Colorado, and I've some opinions of my own about the subject, I'm happy to
 set up and run wiki pages etc bout the subject if people think that this
 would help

 Mark

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 *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)


 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:52 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:

 I'd like to see (more) well-identified, well-prioritized,
 even-novices-can-do-this-if-they-want such projects emerge and be displayed
 in our wiki (or someplace) so that fired-up OSM volunteers itching to map
 can shop along the shelf, pick out a sub-project that gives
 chew-and-digest satisfaction (whether it lasts a day, a  week or a month)
 and results in that warm feeling of accomplishment (beautiful, high quality
 data as useful results) once done.  Now, THAT'S a crowd-sourced mapping
 project!  We're getting there, though in a low gear.  Discussions like
 these, some identification, some organization, some inspiration, and we
 will rev it up faster.  Elephants are best eaten one bite at a time.  (A
 metaphor, not literal)


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Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

[Hans De Kryger]

I ended up deleting it completely. But another mapper disagreed with my
edit and reverted some of it. Not sure if he reverted the entire thing. It
was my mistake completely. Thought everyone was in agreement. The link i
provided no longer shows the entire railway due to my deletion. But if you
follow the link and check the history of the area I'm sure you can find it.
Again sorry if i stepped on anyone's toes. Did not mean to at all.

Regards,
Hans
On Aug 29, 2014 9:42 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:

 Volker Schmidt writes:
   I would be a little bit more careful:
  
   If no bits of the railway survive, remove it. But if some bits are still
   there (e.g. buildings converted to different use, some pieces of railway
   bed, ...) it may be useful to maintain also some abandoned and now
   invisible objects in the database in order to be able to understand the
   former structure.

 Yes, exactly. I can point you to places where there are no bits of a
 railway left. And then I can point you to oddly connected roads, and a
 lack of buildings, or new buildings. How would you know why those
 things were that way if the railway that went through there has been
 deleted?

 And both abandoned and dismantled railways are rendered
 on specialized maps like OpenRailwayMap.org. They serve a purpose in
 the database.

 It's BAD ENOUGH that abandoned railways aren't rendered on the osm.org
 map at *some* zoom level. It's tolerable that dismantled railways
 aren't rendered. It's intolerable to recommend deleting something from
 the database just because *you* fail to see it.

 I fear that the deletionism infection has jumped from Wikipedia to
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[Talk-us] 2014 Tiger Update

[Hans De Kryger]

Released August 19, 2014 -

https://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/data/tiger-line.html

Anyone know if they will be added to I.D editor anytime soon?

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Hans

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[Talk-us] Abandoned railway

[Hans De Kryger]

Is this abandoned railway really need at all? The last person to touch it
was NE2.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/133791053/history#map=14/43.7165/-92.2442

*Regards,*

*Hans*


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[Talk-us] Road abbreviations

[Hans De Kryger]

I just came across a import of address data in San Diego. I checked the
data and all of it is using road abbreviations. Is that normal?
*Regards,*

*Hans*

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Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

[Hans De Kryger]

Hi Clifford

Thanks for diving into the data. I'm going to look into the data.
On Jul 30, 2014 4:53 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 So if you have expertise in Tilemill, I'd love the help in setting up
 some tiles that show probable abbreviations.


 Sorry, I've only created tiles from shapefiles, not from OSM data.

 I did look at the address data. It does contain lots of variation. EAst,
 WEst, Ro, Rd, suite numbers in addr:street, There are 20K distinct street
 names in the db. Some are variations of the same name, for example 4th Av
 and 4th Avenue.

 If anyone wants to look at the data,
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/51dy31ivgkar89m/sandiego.csv

 There does appear to be an E Avenue but no W
 (Avenue)|(Road)|(Street)|(etc.)

 What would be especially helpful if we had some local mappers involved.

 Clifford


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[Talk-us] Osm rending problems

[Hans De Kryger]

Last couple of days I've been having rending problems and reload errors
while using osm. I've check the issue in FireFox. It's pretty much the
same. But most of the issues are with chrome. I have the latest versions of
both browsers. Anyone having similar problems?
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[Talk-us] Missing boundaries in Glendale Arizona.

[Hans De Kryger]

Back about a year ago when i first joined i remember make quite a few
mistakes. One of the major ones i remember was deleting a few boundaries in
Glendale,az and around the valley. It's to far back to remember the
changesets to revert it. So i was needing some help with fixing the
problem. Maybe adding them back. But i have no experience in boundaries. So
need help?
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