Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[John Eldredge]

Oh, I have certainly seen drivers do that (my first-ever traffic accident 
was when the cars in the oncoming lanes stopped to let me make a turn, and 
then I was hit by a car driving down the shoulder). The police consider it 
reckless driving, however, and will cite you for it.


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On October 16, 2015 8:23:46 PM Mike  Dupont 
 wrote:



Here in NJ they pass you on the right on these lanes, it is totally insane.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM, John Eldredge  wrote:

My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving
lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a
construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. People who
try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic citations.

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On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke  wrote:


Wait, question:

Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for
motor vehicles as well?

--jack


On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack 
wrote:


Mike,

I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in
this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that
most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway

I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature

Elliott

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont
 wrote:


Hi there,
This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
so that we can also use that for routing?

Here is a table of the segments with lane information

http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf

I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
detailed tagging for this information.


thanks
mike

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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Paul Johnson]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Jim McAndrew  wrote:

> Sorry for the google maps links on this, but I've found NJ's use of
> shoulders (or "curb lanes") as bike lanes kind of strange. I would tag this
> as cycleway=lane but nothing for shoulder.


Those aren't shoulders, those are bike lanes.  There's no shoulders there.
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[John Eldredge]

My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving 
lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a 
construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. People 
who try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic citations.


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On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke  wrote:


Wait, question:

Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for motor
vehicles as well?

--jack


On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack 
wrote:


Mike,

I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though
in this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is
that most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway

I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature

Elliott

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont <
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:


Hi there,
This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
so that we can also use that for routing?

Here is a table of the segments with lane information

http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf

I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
detailed tagging for this information.


thanks
mike

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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Paul Johnson]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Mike Dupont <
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> These are used as an extra turning lane for cars, so going around
> corners can be dangerous for cyclists or joggers or walkers who all
> share them.


Is that common practice or is there legal precident?  I mean, people turn
right from straddling the curb between the bike lane and the sidewalk in
metro Portland, but it's certainly not a legal move.  And OHP just loves
giving people tickets for driving on the shoulder when you're about to turn
right in Oklahoma (particularly on SH66/Future USBR66/OKBR66)
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Jack Burke]

Normally yes.  But just north of Atlanta we have a freeway called Georgia 400, 
and several miles of it are signed that the shoulder lanes are allowed for all 
motor vehicle traffic between certain hours, albeit with a lower spec limit 
than the regular lanes. 

-jack

On October 16, 2015 4:29:32 PM EDT, John Eldredge  wrote:
>My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal
>driving 
>lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a
>
>construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down.
>People 
>who try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic
>citations.
>
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>cannot 
>drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
>
>
>On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke  wrote:
>
>> Wait, question:
>>
>> Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for
>motor
>> vehicles as well?
>>
>> --jack
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use
>the
>>> cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are
>part of
>>> the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane).
>Though
>>> in this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is
>certain is
>>> that most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>>>
>>> I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project.
>Cycle
>>> and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and
>so I
>>> looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared
>lanes
>>> and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
>>>
>https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature
>>>
>>> Elliott
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont <
>>> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi there,
 This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
 many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
 people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as
>such
 so that we can also use that for routing?

 Here is a table of the segments with lane information


>http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf

 I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on
>a
 detailed tagging for this information.


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 mike

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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Mike Dupont]

Here in NJ they pass you on the right on these lanes, it is totally insane.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM, John Eldredge  wrote:
> My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving
> lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a
> construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. People who
> try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic citations.
>
> --
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> drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
> On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke  wrote:
>>
>> Wait, question:
>>
>> Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for
>> motor vehicles as well?
>>
>> --jack
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
>>> cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
>>> the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in
>>> this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that
>>> most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>>>
>>> I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
>>> and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
>>> looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
>>> and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
>>> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature
>>>
>>> Elliott
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont
>>>  wrote:

 Hi there,
 This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
 many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
 people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
 so that we can also use that for routing?

 Here is a table of the segments with lane information

 http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf

 I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
 detailed tagging for this information.


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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Paul Johnson]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Elliott Plack 
wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet.
>

I've seen lanes used quite a bit, especially after the maproulette for
that, though rather haphazardly since people participating in that
challenge didn't look for changes in lane counts, or count lanes:forward
and lanes:backward separately, or include placement, placement:forward, or
placement:backward as appropriate.  I would like to see more support for
shoulder=* though.  Some tagging presets and rendering in JOSM would
probably help adoption.


> I use the cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that
> are part of the road surface, as it seems your case is.
> (cycleway:right=lane). Though in this case it is arguable if the shoulder
> is a lane. What is certain is that most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>

A hard shoulder is not a bike lane and should not be tagged as such.
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> > A hard shoulder is not a bike lane and should not be tagged as such.
>
>
> If you look at the supporting document some sections are declared as
> bikable by the city planning. there are share the road signs in some
> areas. I am thinking about how to declare there, I do see people
> biking or walking on some.
>

I would tag as appropriate the cycleway=lane and lanes:bicycle=* as
appropriate if it's actually a lane, and shoulder=* for shoulders.  It's
possible to have both at the same time.
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Elliott Plack]

I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps recommending that
the routing tools consider that. In this case there is no official bike
lane, just a shoulder.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:01 AM Mike Dupont 
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> > cycleway=lane
>
> I think these are just shoulders used for biking not bike lanes. I
> have not seen any bike lanes so far.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Paul Johnson]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Elliott Plack 
wrote:

> I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps recommending that
> the routing tools consider that. In this case there is no official bike
> lane, just a shoulder.
>

This is also my preferred solution, as pedestrians may usually travel only
against traffic and bicycles only with traffic when on the shoulder.  It's
relatively rare for pedestrians and bicycles to be banned from the
shoulder.
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Richard Fairhurst]

Elliott Plack wrote:
> I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps 
> recommending that the routing tools consider that.

I'd be genuinely delighted to add shoulder support to cycle.travel when
there's more than a trace number of shoulder tags present in the OSM
database - missing shoulder information is the second biggest bike routing
issue in the US IMO (after bogus TIGER highway=residential, of course). But
as Paul says, please don't misuse cycleway tags for this.

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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Mike Dupont]

These are used as an extra turning lane for cars, so going around
corners can be dangerous for cyclists or joggers or walkers who all
share them.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Jack Burke  wrote:
> Wait, question:
>
> Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for motor
> vehicles as well?
>
> --jack
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack 
> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
>> cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
>> the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in
>> this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that
>> most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>>
>> I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
>> and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
>> looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
>> and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
>> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature
>>
>> Elliott
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>> This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
>>> many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
>>> people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
>>> so that we can also use that for routing?
>>>
>>> Here is a table of the segments with lane information
>>>
>>> http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf
>>>
>>> I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
>>> detailed tagging for this information.
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> mike
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Mike Dupont]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> A hard shoulder is not a bike lane and should not be tagged as such.


If you look at the supporting document some sections are declared as
bikable by the city planning. there are share the road signs in some
areas. I am thinking about how to declare there, I do see people
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Mike Dupont]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> cycleway=lane

I think these are just shoulders used for biking not bike lanes. I
have not seen any bike lanes so far.


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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Mike Dupont]

Take a look at this map of the area
http://www.dvrpc.org/asp/bikemercer/

It would not be used as a source, but it gives you an idea of what
people call bike-able around here.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> Elliott Plack wrote:
>> I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps
>> recommending that the routing tools consider that.
>
> I'd be genuinely delighted to add shoulder support to cycle.travel when
> there's more than a trace number of shoulder tags present in the OSM
> database - missing shoulder information is the second biggest bike routing
> issue in the US IMO (after bogus TIGER highway=residential, of course). But
> as Paul says, please don't misuse cycleway tags for this.
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Jim McAndrew]

Sorry for the google maps links on this, but I've found NJ's use of
shoulders (or "curb lanes") as bike lanes kind of strange. I would tag this
as cycleway=lane but nothing for shoulder.
For example: (note the trash can in the "lane")

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5149298,-74.5297972,3a,40.9y,53.58h,83.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QLvGdBx82YW5Xs75YzWzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Although I felt perfectly safe biking on this road this morning (without
the sharrows / bikes only sign):
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5407346,-74.5356208,3a,75y,207.71h,66.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJwFCiQoh4c09hukm1CsuNw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This would be a good candidate for the shoulder tag, but some shoulders are
not bikable at all because of debris, grates, illegally? parked cars, etc.

The second one looks more similar to CR 546, and I would definitely want to
be able to see this information in OpenStreetMap, because these road tend
to be far more bikable than something without a shoulder. Which is
extremely common in NJ.

(example:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.299179,-74.8338145,3a,75y,69.82h,65.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sedhRN9KpSkOu9mpGC1w-SQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DedhRN9KpSkOu9mpGC1w-SQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D130.6606%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656
)

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> Take a look at this map of the area
> http://www.dvrpc.org/asp/bikemercer/
>
> It would not be used as a source, but it gives you an idea of what
> people call bike-able around here.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst 
> wrote:
> > Elliott Plack wrote:
> >> I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps
> >> recommending that the routing tools consider that.
> >
> > I'd be genuinely delighted to add shoulder support to cycle.travel when
> > there's more than a trace number of shoulder tags present in the OSM
> > database - missing shoulder information is the second biggest bike
> routing
> > issue in the US IMO (after bogus TIGER highway=residential, of course).
> But
> > as Paul says, please don't misuse cycleway tags for this.
> >
> > cheers
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Mike Dupont]

Hi there,
This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
so that we can also use that for routing?

Here is a table of the segments with lane information
http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf

I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
detailed tagging for this information.


thanks
mike

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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Elliott Plack]

Mike,

I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though
in this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is
that most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway

I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature

Elliott

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont 
wrote:

> Hi there,
> This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
> many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
> people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
> so that we can also use that for routing?
>
> Here is a table of the segments with lane information
>
> http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf
>
> I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
> detailed tagging for this information.
>
>
> thanks
> mike
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Jack Burke]

Wait, question:

Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for motor
vehicles as well?

--jack


On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack 
wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
> cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
> the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though
> in this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is
> that most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>
> I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
> and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
> looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
> and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature
>
> Elliott
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont <
> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>> This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
>> many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
>> people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
>> so that we can also use that for routing?
>>
>> Here is a table of the segments with lane information
>>
>> http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf
>>
>> I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
>> detailed tagging for this information.
>>
>>
>> thanks
>> mike
>>
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