Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
Hello Volker, old friend: Thank you for the Garmin history, thank you for the additional links! (I knew one, didn't know two). SteveA > On July 7, 2018 at 6:23:52 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > In fact Garmin started using OSM maps aleady in summer 2013 on the edge > Touring. This map goes by various names, in Germany it was announced as " > europaweiter Garmin Fahrradkarte auf OSM-Basis ", in Italy " Garmin Cycle Map > " > > If you are looking for bicycle maps for Garmin on OSM base, try > • Openfietsmap light [1] > • velomap [2] > • OpenMTBmap [3] > > [1] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/worldwide > [2] http://velomap.org/ > [3] https://openmtbmap.org/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
> As an aside, if Garmin (a well-respected GPS developer/manufacturer) has > "switched" to using OSM (even if only ONE of its products!), that says a > great deal of "wonderful" for the quality of and confidence in our data. > (Which have for some time found their way into Telenav's Scout products, > too). > In fact Garmin started using OSM maps aleady in summer 2013 on the edge Touring. This map goes by various names, in Germany it was announced as " europaweiter Garmin Fahrradkarte auf OSM-Basis ", in Italy " Garmin Cycle Map " If you are looking for bicycle maps for Garmin on OSM base, try - Openfietsmap light [1] - velomap [2] - OpenMTBmap [3] [1] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/worldwide [2] http://velomap.org/ [3] https://openmtbmap.org/ Volker ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
Yes, indeed! If Garmin wanted to make its loyal hardware customers a bit happier, it could firmware-update how it draws various zoom levels and how much detail it those include. On an "old-school" device like my GPS 60 CSx, it may be prudent to trim and prune here and there when using OSM maps (if that can be determined, although now, it seems, that may be "more frequently"). However, as Elliot has an Edge 820 and even "last week's version" is "sluggish" (with OSM maps), a tune-up is prudent. I believe it is where primary, secondary, tertiary, residential roads are drawn at particular zoom levels. Device hardware ROM firmware update, or somewhere around there. Heck, just like a map update is what Garmin turns into a paid data upgrade, I'd pay Garmin several dollars to publish a paid firmware upgrade, especially if it was as "smart" (and tuned...) as its data are. That's clearly a business opportunity, too. I appreciate the good discussion. Go OSM! SteveA > On Jul 5, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Also, if Garmin can sell OSM maps for US/Canada for $50 there is a clear > business opportunity there. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
Also, if Garmin can sell OSM maps for US/Canada for $50 there is a clear business opportunity there. -- Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 12:13, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > I frequently download Dave's Garmin images for my (fairly ancient, yet > still trusty!) Garmin GPS 60 CSx. (The fact that it runs on two AA NiMH > rechargeable cells I can rotate into a pocket-sized solar charger while > I'm in the wilderness has something to do with this). Yes, I have > noticed that as the CPU in my Garmin GPS 60 CSx remains the same > (obviously), yet the density of OSM data from the SDHC card gets denser > (especially in urban areas at medium-zoom), it REALLY slows down screen- > drawing on the Garmin. This is problematic, but only during initial > draw or re-draw as I change zoom. Basically it means I shouldn't fiddle > Garmin zoom levels (In OR Out) while in dense urban areas unless I'm > prepared to wait maybe 30 seconds for a full screen refresh, possibly > missing upcoming navigation cues. Otherwise, navigation and "the map > moving along with me" (whether ped, bike or car) work just fine once the > screen draws at any particular zoom level, even in dense urban areas. > > As an aside, if Garmin (a well-respected GPS developer/manufacturer) has > "switched" to using OSM (even if only ONE of its products!), that says a > great deal of "wonderful" for the quality of and confidence in our data. > (Which have for some time found their way into Telenav's Scout products, > too). > > I also appreciate learning about alternatives (I didn't know about the > Fenix link either, thanks, Martijn), and also didn't know that Garmin's > own map is OSM-based. Are we sure about that? Garmin's "built-in" maps > didn't used to be OSM-based (obviously), when did that change? (Yes, it > may be that different maps — some OSM, some not — are used for different > car/bike/hike/golf/fitness/whatever products by Garmin). If anybody > knows this Garmin map history, I'm eager to hear it. > > SteveA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
I frequently download Dave's Garmin images for my (fairly ancient, yet still trusty!) Garmin GPS 60 CSx. (The fact that it runs on two AA NiMH rechargeable cells I can rotate into a pocket-sized solar charger while I'm in the wilderness has something to do with this). Yes, I have noticed that as the CPU in my Garmin GPS 60 CSx remains the same (obviously), yet the density of OSM data from the SDHC card gets denser (especially in urban areas at medium-zoom), it REALLY slows down screen-drawing on the Garmin. This is problematic, but only during initial draw or re-draw as I change zoom. Basically it means I shouldn't fiddle Garmin zoom levels (In OR Out) while in dense urban areas unless I'm prepared to wait maybe 30 seconds for a full screen refresh, possibly missing upcoming navigation cues. Otherwise, navigation and "the map moving along with me" (whether ped, bike or car) work just fine once the screen draws at any particular zoom level, even in dense urban areas. As an aside, if Garmin (a well-respected GPS developer/manufacturer) has "switched" to using OSM (even if only ONE of its products!), that says a great deal of "wonderful" for the quality of and confidence in our data. (Which have for some time found their way into Telenav's Scout products, too). I also appreciate learning about alternatives (I didn't know about the Fenix link either, thanks, Martijn), and also didn't know that Garmin's own map is OSM-based. Are we sure about that? Garmin's "built-in" maps didn't used to be OSM-based (obviously), when did that change? (Yes, it may be that different maps — some OSM, some not — are used for different car/bike/hike/golf/fitness/whatever products by Garmin). If anybody knows this Garmin map history, I'm eager to hear it. SteveA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
I stumbled on another data extract tool that allows extract to many other formats and handles custom areas. Very cool: https://extract.bbbike.org/ On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:45 PM Elliott Plack wrote: > Thanks for sending the alternatives and blog! The Edge is a small-ish > screen bike computer. the 820 was until a few days ago in the newest > generation so I was surprised at how sluggish it was with the OSM maps. > > Here's a link to the default cycle routing map it uses, clearly OSM Based. > They don't update as frequently but must do some QA/QC on the data. > https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/169655#overview > > There is a setting for map detail, but it didn't seem to hide much of what > was bogging down the rendering, e.g. buildings, addresses, etc. > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:31 PM Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> There is a lightweight alternative at >> http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix but that is really >> more geared towards Fenix watches.. Still may be usable / nice for other >> low-memory / small screen contexts. Actually I just blogged about putting >> OSM maps on my 10 year old etrex..It can still be done :) --> >> https://ma.rtijn.org/2018/07/02/right-to-upload-maps.html >> >> Interesting, I didn't know that the default Garmin map is now OSM based. >> Is that also true for the car products? Edge is a bicycle device, right? >> -- >> Martijn van Exel >> m...@rtijn.org >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19, Elliott Plack wrote: >> >> Question about these extracts: I’ve tried loading some on these on my >> Edge 820 but the maps are too detailed to render. This is most often a >> problem in city areas where mapping detail is dense. I usually run off the >> edge of the rendered map before it has a chance to reload. The Garmin >> default map is also OSM-based, so is there any advantage to using these >> extracts. >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 07:37 Dave Hansen wrote: >> >> These are based off of Lambertus's work here: >> >> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl >> >> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel >> free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The >> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by >> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. >> >> Downloads: >> >> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03 >> >> Map to visualize what each file contains: >> >> >> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03/kml/kml.html >> >> >> FAQ >> >> >> >> Why did you do this? >> >> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact >> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also >> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently >> on removable media. >> >> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03 >> >> Can or should I seed the torrents? >> >> Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web >> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this >> side of the Atlantic. >> >> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? >> >> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the >> red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may >> want to update if you had issues with the last set. >> >> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? >> >> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from >> the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB >> file. >> >> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? >> >> Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario >> in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close >> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. >> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your >> non-US area to get included, let me know. >> >> -- Dave >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> -- >> Sent from iPhone; kindly excuse tyops. >> *___* >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> > -- > Elliott Plack > http://elliottplack.me > -- Elliott Plack http://elliottplack.me ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
Thanks for sending the alternatives and blog! The Edge is a small-ish screen bike computer. the 820 was until a few days ago in the newest generation so I was surprised at how sluggish it was with the OSM maps. Here's a link to the default cycle routing map it uses, clearly OSM Based. They don't update as frequently but must do some QA/QC on the data. https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/169655#overview There is a setting for map detail, but it didn't seem to hide much of what was bogging down the rendering, e.g. buildings, addresses, etc. On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:31 PM Martijn van Exel wrote: > There is a lightweight alternative at > http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix but that is really > more geared towards Fenix watches.. Still may be usable / nice for other > low-memory / small screen contexts. Actually I just blogged about putting > OSM maps on my 10 year old etrex..It can still be done :) --> > https://ma.rtijn.org/2018/07/02/right-to-upload-maps.html > > Interesting, I didn't know that the default Garmin map is now OSM based. > Is that also true for the car products? Edge is a bicycle device, right? > -- > Martijn van Exel > m...@rtijn.org > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19, Elliott Plack wrote: > > Question about these extracts: I’ve tried loading some on these on my Edge > 820 but the maps are too detailed to render. This is most often a problem > in city areas where mapping detail is dense. I usually run off the edge of > the rendered map before it has a chance to reload. The Garmin default map > is also OSM-based, so is there any advantage to using these extracts. > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 07:37 Dave Hansen wrote: > > These are based off of Lambertus's work here: > > http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl > > If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel > free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The > odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by > asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. > > Downloads: > > http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03 > > Map to visualize what each file contains: > > > http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03/kml/kml.html > > > FAQ > > > > Why did you do this? > > I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact > of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also > cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently > on removable media. > > http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03 > > Can or should I seed the torrents? > > Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web > server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this > side of the Atlantic. > > Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? > > There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the > red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may > want to update if you had issues with the last set. > > Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? > > If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from > the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB > file. > > Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? > > Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario > in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close > to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. > This might not happen forever, and if you would like your > non-US area to get included, let me know. > > -- Dave > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > -- > Sent from iPhone; kindly excuse tyops. > *___* > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- Elliott Plack http://elliottplack.me ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
There is a lightweight alternative at http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix but that is really more geared towards Fenix watches.. Still may be usable / nice for other low-memory / small screen contexts. Actually I just blogged about putting OSM maps on my 10 year old etrex..It can still be done :) --> https://ma.rtijn.org/2018/07/02/right-to-upload-maps.html Interesting, I didn't know that the default Garmin map is now OSM based. Is that also true for the car products? Edge is a bicycle device, right?-- Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19, Elliott Plack wrote: > Question about these extracts: I’ve tried loading some on these on my > Edge 820 but the maps are too detailed to render. This is most often a > problem in city areas where mapping detail is dense. I usually run off > the edge of the rendered map before it has a chance to reload. The > Garmin default map is also OSM-based, so is there any advantage to > using these extracts.> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 07:37 Dave Hansen wrote: >> These are based off of Lambertus's work here: >> >> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl >> >> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel >> free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The >> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by >> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. >> >> Downloads: >> >> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03>> >> Map to visualize what each file contains: >> >> >> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03/kml/kml.html>> >> >> >> FAQ >> >> >> >> Why did you do this? >> >> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact >> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also >> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit >> conveniently>> on removable media. >> >> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03>> >> Can or should I seed the torrents? >> >> Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web>> >> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this>> >> side of the Atlantic. >> >> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? >> >> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the>> >> red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may>> >> want to update if you had issues with the last set. >> >> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? >> >> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from>> >> the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB >> file. >> >> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? >> >> Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario>> >> in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close >> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. >> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your >> non-US area to get included, let me know. >> >> -- Dave >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- > Sent from iPhone; kindly excuse tyops. > _ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03
Question about these extracts: I’ve tried loading some on these on my Edge 820 but the maps are too detailed to render. This is most often a problem in city areas where mapping detail is dense. I usually run off the edge of the rendered map before it has a chance to reload. The Garmin default map is also OSM-based, so is there any advantage to using these extracts. On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 07:37 Dave Hansen wrote: > These are based off of Lambertus's work here: > > http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl > > If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel > free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The > odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by > asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. > > Downloads: > > http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03 > > Map to visualize what each file contains: > > > http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03/kml/kml.html > > > FAQ > > > > Why did you do this? > > I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact > of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also > cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently > on removable media. > > http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03 > > Can or should I seed the torrents? > > Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web > server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this > side of the Atlantic. > > Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? > > There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the > red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may > want to update if you had issues with the last set. > > Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? > > If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from > the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB > file. > > Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? > > Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario > in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close > to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. > This might not happen forever, and if you would like your > non-US area to get included, let me know. > > -- Dave > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- Sent from iPhone; kindly excuse tyops. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
