[Talk-us] Importing Government Data
Hi all, Such great feedback from my latest 'rant: importing GeoBase nodes' Thanks :) What this did was sparked some major issues that need to be addressed. I think this is more important, than going deeper on that rant. I created a new wiki page Importing Government Data http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importing_Government_Data This is a way for us all can try to summerize the issues, and answer the questions that would (most likely) be asked from any country / region considering importing government data. The section i didn't expand on is about the scripts used in actually importing the data these can be shown on the page. (hopefully people can help out) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Government_Data_Import_Script Because there are a lot of overlap in the past discussions, hopefully this page will be able to compare the issues from TIGER AND, as well as the other import projects (that i'm not aware of) I hope that i touched on most of the issues raised. Please to edit the wiki page, and reply back, as comments are how this project will keep going :) I'll get back to you all when i figure out a better solution than the 'nodes import' idea. :) Cheers, Sam Vekemns Across Canada Trails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Importing Government Data
Cool :) what can be done is creating a section for all the options for importing government data - including the ones that were 'mud' but state 'why' it was rejected. Also list pending or aproved stuff I got a start; disaproved: blow away data and replace on-mass -slap on imported data create 'ghost lines' with existing data -import data as nodes with reference to what shape/line/point it is, keeping origional source designations :cause we want to protect the existing osm data, and place it as a higher priority :cause we dont want to fill up the data base with duplicate nodes pending: -cordinate locally, copy select elements with a custom script layer -use wms layer (rendered openlayer slippy map and trace -write protect imported data (nodes? If a host can be found to donate resource? approved: -tracing over josm wireframe -tracing over imagery -tracing over free openlayers -import only if it doesnt exist in the area Cheers, Sam Vekemans ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Highway tags - international equivalence
Hi all,I noticed some discussion on the talk-us list about how to define highways ... as when you get out of the city, it's often hard to know what type of road your on. ... a speed limit might say 1 thing, yet everyone drives faster. :-) Anyway, i added the Canada row, so it should be filled in. Using the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines Perhaps the chart is a good place to fill in notes about how from province to province a 'trunk' road is different. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#International_equivalence I would fill it in myself, but i'm sure someone else would to a better job. This chart is also a great place to show what the road signs look like (colour differences etc.) Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] National Parks forests areas
Hi all,The talk-us list brought up a good point, that we (for the GeoBase/CanVec) import. ... BTW, EVERYTHING that is available on the geogratis.ca site which is under the same license is up for grabs. We haven't yet listest EVERYTHING which COULD be imported. ... Anyway, in Canada parks/forests/protected area's are also all messed up and confusing. We got local parks, regional parks. .. Which have varying levels of protection. ... in some cases, with a vote of the local government, land can be sold off to developers for suburbia. .. or partially sold for Arbor Cleansing... clearing 'debris' so then trees wont fall on paths, in the 'nature park'. ... or we can Pave our way through the 'nature' park. We also have Aboriginal/Native Reserves... again these are different, as it could (probably) be sold off. We also have Unesco Biosphere reserves. Protected areas. We have provincial parks... and national Parks.. run by 2 sets of governments... we have inter-provincial parks.. a shared government run park... So in summation, the best bet is to make an 'educated guess' and mark down only what we know to be true. ... sometimes marking note=national_forest and having the actual tag landuse=park, natural=forest is better. I prefer to tag operator=BC Parks or operator=Parks Canada Remember that the tags that actually show that the physical thing you are looking at is; can be different than what the government says it is. Ie. .. because a sign says national park ahead, the entire political area can be shown as a dashed line area but the physical land can be different. .. ie. if there is an area which is a marsh, and an area of high density forest (evergreens) we would like to note that on the map, with different icons/symbols. So yes, we can have the best of both worlds. .. so park rangers can be happy, and edit the map themselves, when the park changes boundaries. BC Parks: I was told that BC Parks acquires land. So what does that mean? Well, we know that ALL land is owned by someone... the default ownership is Crown Land... and from there it is registered and divided by different groups... Reserve land etc. Public land. .. But there are always restrictions of what it means to be 'public land' ... it could mean that you are allowed to hike through it, without a permit. .. but it doesn't mean that you can cut down trees and start digging. Anyway, the purpose of this note is that there are 2 forms of tagging. .. tagging the physical natural elements, and tagging the political land ownership. IMO, land ownership is shown by the boundary lines, and physical elements are shown by icons and symbols and area colours. Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails P.S. If i had my way, i would tag the whole area as 'biohazard' so then it will be left alone... but thats just me :0) ... nor is it realistic. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] man_made=fish passage (tag proposal too)
Thanks, just in comparing GeoBase with TIGER, its handy to keep consistant (as much as possable) Sam On 3/26/09, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's worth creating a tag for a man_made=fish_passage [...] I know that not all features that are available MUST get imported but i do think that each feature deserves some discussions before being dismissed Any comments? Just that regardless of what you call this particular feature, be it man_made=fish_passage or man_made=xyyz you should, when in doubt, just go ahead and make something up when importing external datasets instead of dropping it from the import. A tag is created as soon as you start using it, it can always be discussed further or changed later, the data being there is the important part. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] gnis:reviewed=no map features
Hi, if you can put the list of features along with the corrisponding OSM tag to a wiki page, this would be helpful :) (then i can help match features cross-check to what i have) i'm opting NOT to use the tag geobase:reviewed=no (perhaps someone can convince me otherwise?) Here's why; The default would be no upon import. I'm using the tags acquition_technique where most of it is vector data so its easy to tell the reviewed level. Also, the date data was acquered, is there too. The fact that the address/phone/website tags arnt listed does give it away. I'm wondering what the concensus was on how necessary it was to add that tag? Did it help with filtering? My guess is that it would just add more work. As people would be going through the data anyway and fixing that they can. Thanks Sam ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-dev] Deleting TIGER node tags OSM 'best practice'
Hi talk-us, talk-ca and dev lists, re: Deleting TIGER node tags Yup, its great to learn from others experiences. I too agree about having the extra tags. .. hence why the CanVec import is taking so long to get out of BETA phase. We do have some more of the GeoBaseNHN data imported (rivers in Quebec), and for the Roads, All of Alberta and all of Ontario and parts of other provinces have already been imported. (with maybe too many tags, but that's still debatable) What I have a difficult time trying to convey to people asking about the import, is that importing the data, is exactly that. It's an Import so it is not a 'Sync'. It's a one-way import. Yes, we do have tools which we can use such as OpenJUMP, RoadMatcher, so then as new data becomes available, we can simply compare it with what exists. Then, 'enhance the data' with what new information is available. The purpose of OpenStreetMap is to create the worlds best and most accurate 'current map'. So by default, ALL data that gets imported, should be considered as old and be treated as data to be added-to the current map. So... just because i have a lot of data to contribute... doesn't mean that i have any power over what the existing map is like. (BTW, after +1 day all data is old, since your not physically there :) Sure, (for me and whoever is preforming manual import) its some work, were i need to manually remove the duplicate imported data in favour of the OSM version. ... but it isn't more work for the local area mappers. Why should they have to spend time removing duplicate stuff that i dropped in there? ... they shouldn't. (I can ask them to help, but that's all i can do) That said, it's MORE important that these .osm files would become available so that everyone has access to it, and can import it as they like. .. rather than forcing an import on areas where it's not really needed. The imported data is ALWAYS a 'helper-data'. (and IMO should be thought of that way) Ie. the other day, i was looking at a lake that someone else traced from yahoo imagery (the lake was 7 nodes polygon). When my version (from GeoBasdeNHN) is 50 nodes polygon. ... which is more accurate so other features can be shown. The 'best practice' is that I take time and contact that person who drew in that lake, and let them know that i have something better. .. that will 'improve the map'. (regardless of the source). So once i heard back. THEN i can replace. .. but not before. Sure, it takes extra time on my part, BUT it makes the map better overall. That person can then see the new data, and work on further adding details (adjusting the piers and showing where park areas trails are etc.) So anyway, having tags that are supposed to be used as cross-reference.. doesn't really make sense. Since this is an open street map, where anyone who has local knowledge of how the map should be, would know better than what the import data says. Anyway, Good call, Happy Mapping Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] NHD: python or java?
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:29 AM, David Carmeand...@halibut.com wrote: Which tool is most used, at the moment, for importing NHD data? Chris's python stuff or Ian's java stuff? :) For those using Ian's stuff, who's developed the most complete rules file? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us I got the impression that Chris's python is tailored made for the NHD where Ian's java is geared towards making generic shape imports a lot easier for the novice or non programmer. Exactly, the java version, is really best for manual importing of the data, and the python is for when your using bulk_upload.py script. For when you dont need to mess with what is already existing. ie. in many areas, were there are no rivers / waterbodies to conflict with, a full upload is fine. But for this canvec stuff i'm working with (importing rail-lines, powerlines, sport_park_fields etc, i need to watch for what other have done). So bulk_uploading the data wont help. (ie. importing rivers in the middle of a city, where other mappers might have done just parts of the river. (perhaps in more detail than the import data available) I recommend maintaining just 1 version of the data for each script, with a comparision chart (like i have with the Google Docs chart), as they both need to have all the same tag-matches, and just keep track of the script version. How are you keeping track of the National Dataset? For Canada, Im thinking at using a GoogleDocs spreadsheet might be easier, since there are so many different tiles (canada is made up of an NTS Grid of only 4,984 unique tiles) where some will be uploaded at different levels of completness... and different levels of data available. So i have a chart with all the types of data.. then what i can do is give access to it for whoever wants it. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tmY7V02fBT8C8vimCf8ioXgoutput=html Hope that helps, Sam -- Dale Puch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Deletion of unnecessary TIGER node tags will commence this week-end
Great work Frederik thanks, I'll also be monitoring the progress, considering the VERY high likelihood, that tag changes will be needed for the Canada Import at some later date. Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I have started the job that removes the unnecessary TIGER node tags (and removes the nodes themselves should no tags remain and the nodes be unused - this applies only to a small number of nodes). As discussed here, we'll remove tiger_tlid, tiger:upload_uuid (and the misspelled variant tiger:upload_uid), tiger:county, and tiger:source. We will also remove source but only if one of the other tags is present AND the content of source refers to TIGER. You can see which area is currently being processed, and what has already been done: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/woodpeck_fixbot/edits The job will generally work in county-sized chunks, but don't expect that once it has visited a county it's done with it - many counties will have to be visited multiple times because they have so many nodes. Also, it can always happen that some edits fail during the first run, and these left-over nodes will then be picked up later. The job does not proceed evenly but instead jumps randomly across the US, doing one county here then one county there. This is because I want to avoid that someone who e.g. regularly processes all changes in California suddenly has millions of changes in a few days - I'd rather spread things out a bit to soften the impact for everyone. I'll closely monitor the job but if any of you should notice something strange, please do tell me. Initial results are a bit disappointing speed-wise, I am currently not sure if we'll make the November target but we'll see. I'll keep you posted on major developments, milestones, etc. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Encourage foundation candidates to self-govern
They arn't, Its just we (as in the OpenStreetMap community) want to ensure that all decisions that get made, are done done so with the best interest of the community. And of course, it will. :-) (even with more CM staff on board As thats great to have) So having representatives who are working on all the other major projects (itoworld, marble desktop, kosmos, josm, openlayers, openarialmap, open-manyother-maps, walking papers) should all get focus too. And good representation, now that OSM is maturing and experiencing 'growing pains'. :-) Since OSMF is an international organization, we want to make sure that decisions arn't a single company, but always with the best interest of the 'spirit of OSM'. So im working on 'blind-faith' that everyone who wants to be a board member does so, because they want to keep the 'spirit of OSM' alive. Anyway, I noticed the post about a 'community non-profit company' on the diary board (or something like that) so its worth exploring further. Thats all for now, Cheers, Sam On 8/19/09, Matthias Versen s...@mversen.de wrote: Richard Weait wrote: The Foundation board should have no more than one candidate from each company in my opinion. Unbelievable ! Sorry but why is Cloudmade trying to corrupt the free and open Openstreetmap with such actions ? Shame on you ! Matthias ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Need help with SHP2OSM Rules file
Hi, its line,TRAIL_USE,B,bicycle,yes line,TRAIL_USE,C,cars,yes line,TRAIL_USE,H,horse,yes it takes a little trial error at 1st. Btw, also add attribution,* and make sure the source allows for copying :) hope that helps, Sam On 8/26/09, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing some preliminary work on making the state park data from the Minnesota DNR available to the map. I've sliced up the state park boundaries and trails into small enough chunks for JOSM to handle, but I'm having difficulties with my rules.txt file. It may be a silly question, but does the search string in my RULES.TXT have to be an exact match for the program to apply the tags and values I want? The info in the WIKI and the README file wasn't very clear. Here's an example field: TRAIL_USE = BCH (B=Hiking permitted, C=Horses Permitted, and H=Snowshoes permitted) Can I just create 1 separate line for each of the attribute abbreviations, or does SHP2OSM require a line for each attribute in each possible permutation? Thanks in advance, Chris Hunter -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Local-chapters] Statement of purpose for local chapters
Re: talk-us discussion Having 1 member living in the state of incorporation is key, and 20 members i nice to have. There is a need to search internally to find mappers who are also lawyers and have experience setting up non-profits. Also, phone teleconference works, provided people know about it, and what # to call :-) I'd (really) recommend setting up a talk-nz and a talk-au list with osm.org so that everyone is on board and on the same page. (im on the other lists and can see that there is a rift, or maybe its just me :) In Canada we have the OSGeoBC Ottawa Quebec list, where some are OSMrs, we all need to be on the same page :) re: big .osm files I need to than Ian Dees (again) because since SHP-to-osm-5.0.jar you can add the -maxnodes 2000 switch where it will make nice small .osm0 .osm1 .osm2 .osm3 etc. files that can be happely imported with JOSM. Hope that helps, Sam On 9/21/09, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/21 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: Thanks John, This sounds a bit better worded than before. And looks like something that i'd recommend for Canada to start thinking about next year. We're starting to come up with ideas where a local non-profit is essential, fund raising for sat imagery etc, the draft stuff for local chapters that already exist isn't final and who knows how long it will take to finalise the new local chapters stuff so we're most likely going to incorporate sooner rather than later as it is hindering our progress. You are welcome to borrow from the rest of the document we've cooked up so far, not sure how much use it will be to you or most others as it's essentially the model rules the NSW state govt publishes modified with a statement of purpose etc. https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZf0jIYShBc0ZGNicXR6OXZfMGdoOGsycGZihl=en Btw, im also following along on the talk-us list, as there seems to be a more active interest. Any chance of a summary so we don't have to reinvent the wheel where possible? Fortunataly, the process im going through is a 'data conversion' where i make the .osm files available, rather than 'blanket importing myself' i think its a good work-around, and should be adopted for other imports. This is what happened with Aussie post codes, except a couple of them are exceptionally large 40,000 points and so you can't easily do much with them in JOSM. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Reply-to?
try, replying ALL, cc's the talk-us list. There is a setting to make it so that you dont get this message twice, for example. Cheers, Sam On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:06 AM, David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.comwrote: Why is it, when I receive messages from this list, they don't come with a reply-to header so replies automatically go back to the list and not individual sender(s)? That would be helpful. The newbies list has such headers. I looked on the list subscription site and I didn't see any settings that appear to relate to this. -- David Smith a.k.a. Vid the Kid a.k.a. Bír'd'in Does this font make me look fat? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US-based Server
Do you mean a server for viewing the tile cache right? (that holds a planet file gets a second diff) Where osm.com /osm.us could be used and a us-custom-render of the map would be available as a default for people not logged in. Or something else? Sam On 10/21/09, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Talk-US, I am getting very close to working out a deal with an as-yet-unnamed ISP for providing a server for US-based OSM usage. I'd like to make sure we give them a good guess at system requirements, so if anyone has any serious ideas for what they'd like to see in a US-based OSM server, please respond here and we can brainstorm. -Ian -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] 2009 TIGER Shapefiles now available
Hi, Is anyone just simply running a country wide diff set from 2008 tiger, and then converting the files into .osm format and simply making them available, so local area mappers can claim their areas and copy-in what ever they wish? Cheers, Sam ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) in Quebec we have a state-wide network, but listed as ncn. (route de verte) (the Trans Canada Trail isnt a 'cycle route' per say, but elements of it allows cycling on different surfaces). Do we make a new render for a 'recreational trail'? Is there an established practice? Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On 10/30/09, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i have added a page for NY state bike routes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_York/Bike_Routes and added my just created relation (not quite complete) for the Mohawk Hudson Bikeway from Rotterdam Junction to Albany. lots of bike routes in NY need to be documented: http://www.ptny.org/ richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 10/30/09 6:59 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we haven lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) i'm using rcn, it seemed the closest. maybe scn should be created? richard lcn = is light blue... local cycle routes rcn = dark blue regional cycle routes ncn = red ... national cycle routes ... and ya, i think maybe a pink or a green for a scn. .. i would also recommend that pcn be used in the same way (as come contries uses province') So, if both tags do the same thing, that would be a good solution. In switzerland, the lcn is shown as regional cycle route... town to town, where the dark blue is shown locally. (so if the the dark blue and light blue were swiched) So if switzerland was used as the basis... we have. rcn = dark blue (local cycle routes) lcn = light blue (reginal cycle routes) or state cycle routes or region of greater London area) ncn = red national cycle route (that cross state/regional/province lines) And where the local cycle routes are not listed... simply becacuase bicycles can go everywhere that a car can go. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26242773 indicated that the way is part of the national cycle network and on the other side of the river http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/32391713 is indicated as part of the rcn .. in light blue... Where the dark blue appears to be only in the big cities.. such as Basel, where this dark blue is what connects the communities that are IN basel. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.5615lon=7.6077zoom=12layers=00B0FTFT So in other words... i think its a social thing. We (in north America) think Bicycling as a 'recreation', where it's a week-end thing, and just for the ''cycling people. As the Automobile, is considered 1st when cities are planned out. They are simply designed with the expectation that cars are to be driven everywhere. So, on the otherhand, in Switzerland (when the city planners design communities), they right away look at 3 things. How pedestrians will use the community, how cyclest will use the community, and lastly, how cars will manuver through the city to get to the next city. Where as, in North America, it's only pedestrians that get consideration, so 'sidewalks' are planed on every street, ... and it's only in the last 20 years that 'curbs' so wheel chairs can access them. (in MANY areas) we still dont have accessable curbs. So i propose that we start making the cyclemap, with the 'expectation' that cyclists are allowed FULL use of roads.. (accept of course free-ways), and bi-ways, cyclists are expected to use the shoulder where available. And it doesn't need to be marked. So this might require some effort on our part, and perhaps we need to have a new tag for ccr city cycle route ... and this might eleviate the problem. As in the case of our example, the cyclemap for Solothurn, it doesnt indicate which roads are 'cycle friendly' that's probably becuase they ALL are. :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.20696lon=7.54861zoom=15layers=00B0FTF Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Local-chapters] Can someone please start communicating better?
Hi All, In the US, there is some chatting going on about the US chapter being formed, although some of the technical details (local laws) are different, the same general principle and ideas and reasons for becoming a local chapter are the same internationally. All the problems... logistically (time changes) and ability to actually meet in person or via conference call or via skype / video, are pretty much the same for everyone. In Canada, (once the import is further underway, there will be more active involvement with the national team), so the need to form a chapter might become clearer to more people. I probably should have forwarded the wiki page i made up last week to the local-chapt...@openstreetmap.org list, so then others can see comment. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Canada_Foundation_%28proposed%29 In Canada the OGeo BC chapter is interested in knowing what's going on. (but im not a chapter, im just 1 person) .. and the OSGeo Ottawa group the Quebec group are also interested, and there is a language barrier for the Quebec group.) Also, it would be great to see what's going on with the Spanish chapter (OSGeo As well) then we all can see more clearer how it an all tie in. (As other countries might be further along, but we just dont know about it). And with the Austrailia Import, there would probably be a need to a local chaper (i know that OSM was talked about during the FOSS conference, but not highlighted) Since OSM-Australia doesn't exist yet, formal proposals are lacking. And with The New Zealand data, i know the Linz is being worked on... but i still cant see why they dont have an @openstreetmap.org mailing list, and they use @osgeo mailing list. (So all the OSGeo folks, are already in-board in that country). So you can see some inconsistencies.. where help is available, just not yet being tapped. Cheers, Sam On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:18 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/11/2 Henk Hoff henk.h...@osmfoundation.org: I will check whether John is also included in the local chapters working group mailingaddress. If not, my apologies for not getting the invitation. If anyone else would also be involved with the *working group*, let me know. I can only assume that anyone wanting to be involved would have subsribed to the general list. ___ Local-chapters mailing list local-chapt...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/local-chapters ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Local-chapters] Can someone please start communicating better?
On 11/2/09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Data imports and community are two completely different things. (Some say that data imports actually prevent community building.) I did :-) (in a very long-round-about-way) There is absolutely no reason to set up an incorporated chapter just because you have imported a ton of data. A chapter can perhaps reflect the growing community, but hardly ever create a community out of thin air. There are certainly valid reasons to set up a chapter - but an import takes just one or two people whereas bringing a chapter and community to life requires more. Often it is also a different kind of person - doing an import requires technical expertise but being socially inept is not a problem, whereas you can successfully run a chapter without knowing what a changeset is if you are a good communicator and motivator... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 Yup, thats probably why my attempt at hosting an SOTM in Ottawa back in September ... didnt work :-) (for now im leaving OSM Mappers Vancouver Island meet-up group to someone else) ... who is better qualified. And for that I nominate anyone else (to setup a Canada chapter) who is more skilled at that part .. you know who you are. :-) ya, im happy to be a director WITH a local chapter, but not the chairperson. (i'm updating the wiki, thanks for the pointers) Organizing an external database to suit OSMs needs is A LOT easier than organizing a group of people, with conflicting ideas, but are all correct as they all have valid points. every new idea that people brings to the table, helps make the map better for everyone ... which is why local-chapt...@openstreetmap.org list helps everyone :) Cheers, Sam (unofficial) OSM Canada Import Coordinator -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] deletion of talk-us-bayarea?
Hi, If the only reason to have a local talk-list is to host mapping parties, then meetup.com is better designed for that (it will find newbie mappers easier). ( itoworld, you can find everyone around) Otherwise, keeping the discussion 'more open' is best. imo. Ie. If your talking about importing stuff, then imports@ works. If its about tagging, then tagging@ works. And transit@ stuff and div@ etc. 'cause most of the stuff talked about is always 'trying to define standards internationally, resulting in better websites :) (and less lists to be on too) cheers, Sam On 11/12/09, Sarah Manley sarah.m.man...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Did someone delete the talk-us-bayarea list? From the last email discussion on talk-us there was never a full or agreed upon decision. I just tried to announce an upcoming event and got the following error message. I understand it's not an active mailing list, but it is used for announcements and should not be deleted with out consensus from those who are on the list. If you scroll to the bottom you can see the announcement I was trying to make for an upcoming mapping party. Best, Sarah -- Forwarded message -- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@googlemail.com Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:45 PM Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) To: sarah.m.man...@gmail.com Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: talk-us-baya...@openstreetmap.org Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 Unrouteable address (state 14). - Original message - MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.9.11 with SMTP id 11mr409128wfi.101.1258073102381; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:45:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:45:02 -0800 Message-ID: 2437b81b0911121645v5a0a968cte7ee9d3a9d69b...@mail.gmail.com Subject: gilroy hike mapping party From: Sarah Manley sarah.m.man...@gmail.com To: talk-us-baya...@openstreetmap.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502b00d5e7445047835f8fd Hello, We are partnering again with the sierra club in the south bay to host a mapping party hike (thanks shawn!) Details:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gilroy_Mapping_Party Also, we have been chatting weekly about forming the US OSM chapter. It would be great to have more bay area folks on the call. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States If anyone is interested in a SF (or closer to SF) meetup, let me know. Its been a while. Cheers, Sarah -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] OSM Mentioned in NYTimes
Thanks for sharing, thats AWESOME! If someone can take a photo of the actual article, then we can store it in the media archive (or put it on the featured images :) And a big thanks to Mr. Hintz who talked to the reporter who wrote the article, awesome. Im looking at the comments building up. Great to read what all the non-mappers say about OSM, having read about it for the 1st time from this article. :-) Hopefully, our team here is able to 'politely' correct some 'miss-guided' statements. :) And if anyone is around Huntington Station Court in Alexandria VA a reader asked for that to be mapped, as apparently it's in correct :) .. if its already in OSM, then it can be pointed out. Cheers, Sam On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I did read the whole article. My point was that OpenStreetMap is not mentioned on the front page. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: If you read the article, as opposed to just the front page, you will find OpenStreetMaps mentioned several times by name. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:37:20 To: m...@koppenhoefer.com Cc: OSM Talkt...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mentioned in NYTimes ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-ca] Modifying GeoBase Ways.
Hi James, (Thanks Daniel for the details) I think we need to fix up the wiki so that the page on Canada Importing Data (from all sources) is more clear (or maybe something bold at the top of the page?). That hasn't been done yet. Unfortunately. The idea for imports (of all types) is that the data is available to 'assist' in the development of OpenStreetMap. Inotherwords, it's a *one-way import*, where the original converted .osm file is available (weather it gets actually used in OSM or not, *which is why the source shp.zip file(s) is available as part of the conversion 'package'* The license of openstreetmap (ODbl) is still under discussions at the Foundation Level, and as well at the community level. But basically, it's reciprocal of what the license of Natural Resources Canada has. You can do what you like to the data and use it at your leisure, provided that you indicate where the data came from, in a form that is recognizable to the end-user. (the idea is to help the user of the dataset and not to confuse them :-) And BTW, its great to hear that GeoBase CanVec is looking to assist their own dataset based on the changes that the OSM community provide for the OpenStreetMap project. (I think that TIGER is looking at doing the same thing) My earlier example (i forget who it was who i was explaining it to), is to treat the data that is being imported as a 'newbie user'. In fact, on the import@ list, Andy Allan is working on a document, he wrote in an earlier message. *** As part of a couple of projects, I'd also been asked to write some guidance on how to do imports properly. I've written some guidance, mainly aimed at the someone from a uni has their campus in a shapefile type of person, not really for ultra-tech OSMers-who-already-know-it- all. You can find the .pdf file here: http://www.thunderflames.org/gis/Import%20Guidance.pdf Where in it, he highlights the idea to use a 'dedicated account for imports'. It doesn't go into treating the data as a 'newbie' user, but the concept is the same. That 'newbie' user, wasn't physically there (most likely) so the local area mapper knows best. Although its really only for the situation where some (like myself) is importing a big area, So i log in with a different account, and then make the 'tweaks' as my regular account. So then this way, if data needs tobe removed, it's only the edits from this 'separate account' that gets removed. ... And BTW, i am STILL against including the UUID as part of the data thats imported into the OSM project and INSTEAD use the physical location of the node/way/area/multi-polygon to compare the old with the new datasets and create a DIFF file which shows the 'whats missing' And now with the welcome addition of local datasets, the OSM project becomes even more complex, where we now have multiple sources of data representing the same thing. So having that source:UUID tag means less and less, as the OSM map gets better. So far, on a technical level, know-one has shown evidence that this tag is actually useful, (since the physical location trumps whatever tags). ... but alas, only time will tell.. then a bot will need to be made like in the US which goes around and removes those tags :) ... Anyway, the point is that it DOES need to be better documented, as i feel that James isnt alone in that assumption dont touch the geobase roads as it's 'sacred') or rather it gets put up on a 'pedestal' of higher significance. .. way up their on a high plateau. (Similar to how the TIGER data in the USA (WAS treated BEFORE more local data became available), and people saw that TIGER is a *compiled dataset collection* (just like GeoBase CanVec is) ... which is why i believe that including that 'UUID' (inadvertently, places the imported data on that 'high plateau pedestal', where it should really be treated as a 'newbie user' and just keep the 'attribution source tag on there, but dont be concerned about it' Anyway, Thats my toonie Cheers, Sam ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Chapter Mission Statement
Just curious, What is a protectorite? And why is it needed? Thanks, Sam On 11/27/09, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: Well, since no one has made a stab at this yet, I went ahead and did some research on mission statements in general, and OSMF's mission statement. *Mission Statement:* [US OSMF] is dedicated to improving the availability, quantity and accuracy of open-sourced cartographic information in the United States, its territories, protectorates and possessions. *Vision Statement:* To achieve this goal, [US OSMF] seeks to: - Promote public awareness of the Open Street Map. - Locate and secure freely-available public access to useful mapping data. - Function as a US Not-for-profit Corporation to handle any copyright and liability issues that may arise. - Serve as a point of contact with individuals, corporations, and government entities for securing data, equipment and funding for OSM-related activities. - Interact with the international Open Street Map Foundation to promote the issues and concerns of OSM users in the United States. Anyone else have ideas? DiverCTH (a.k.a. Chris Hunter) On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote: As many of you know, we're working on forming a US chapter of OSM. To that end, we've been having conference calls Monday evenings: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States And one open issue has been the mission statement. We'd like to have an open ended discussion of what people feel the mission statement should be. I'm sure people have thoughts on this issue, so let em rip. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Chapter Mission Statement
Actually, i was wondering with the context of the mission statement. (but thats fine, if thats needed to define that the US is) OSM's job is to map it all, and list what local people call it. Might i recommend adding a mandate to: Maintain ensure quality with the USA community specific standards, and render the openstreetmap.com default map to be stylized to US-standards ie. All labels to be english, a custom map key to list the way you understand the meaning of 'freeway' and 'forest' ...etc. As well as design and maintain develope the page layout to the way that the US chapter likes it to be. Imo, the OSMF decides the page layout and what default map (and what other maps) to display on OpenStreetMap.org is/are. So thats something tangable :-) cheers, Sam On 11/27/09, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and Puerto Rico is a territory - although at least some of us mainlanders wish they'd make up their mind and either declare independence or ratify as a state. On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious, What is a protectorite? And why is it needed? Thanks, Sam It's a pretty archaic idea - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate#United_States IIRC, only the Marshall Islands are still a protectorate. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] openstreetmap.us
Just thinking, A perk of being a OSM-us (paid) member could be that you get a @openstreetmap.us email address? (obviously forwarding it to whereever gmail can handle that part just fine) cheers, Sam On 1/24/10, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Hi I own openstreetmap.us There are other community sites like openstreetmap.nl and openstreetmap.de If anyone wants to set up something similar, just tell me the IP address of your box and I will point the domain at it. Just so the rest of the community knows, I'm working on lining up hosting for openstreetmap.us based on donated servers (from WIkimedia) and donated rack space. It's slow going, so I haven't really been detailing it to the list. If anyone is interested in knowing what's going on, I'd be happy to post more details here. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote: On 18 Feb 2010, at 5:36 , Lars Ahlzen wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Anyone knows where to get NED data for large areas? The seamless server is such a pain and it will take forever just for a single state. or we could start a crowd source effort to download and share them. They don't exactly advertise it, but USGS will actually take an external hard drive that you provide, fill it with NED data and ship it back to you. We're trying to find a place to host this massive data set, though, so hopefully downloading will get a lot easier soon. thats cool do you have the data already? What about providing it as a set of torrent files? Torrent is the perfect protocol to distribute such a huge set of data. btw how big is it? Actually, perhaps the best idea is to create a wiki page ... extention of the US wiki page. and list the download locations of each of the topo map IMG files. Over time, these files will get shared across the torrent network. Just call it an obvious name... like 'SRTM USA Garmin 25m Contours - MyState'. :) (... i would prefer a sharing (everyone who is working on it, shares the page) Google Docs chart, as it can handle a larger volume of data in a single chart better than the wiki can. but thats just me :) Mediafire.com is fine, but it only allows for the max .zip file size of 200megs. I dont know how many 1degX1deg tiles can fit. .. Canada is already chopped up into nice NTS tile sizes, so it makes it easier for sorting out what tiles are available. .. I dont know if the US has a similar system? ... and this same system can be extended to convert north America... just change the numbers http://maps.nrcan.gc.ca/topo_metadata/topo_click_e.php And ya.. i found that in areas that had buildings, the SRTM data choked and it shows empty space. Im going to (hopefully) get a hard copy (of the GeoBase data shp files), as maybe i can build from that since it's slightly better. ...although in areas that have been minded the data might (obviously) be in correct. Once i get a master install file done.. then i'll make a DVD of it, and share it with people to rip more DVDs to pass on to others. :) ... that's how the ibycus topo is done. (apologies if im repeating myself, it's getting late) :) cheers, Sam - Lars -- Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Serge Wroclawski wrote: It'll also be a bit less free-form than this list. osm-professional will be semi-moderated What does semi-moderated mean, who will do this moderation, according to what rules will he or she moderate, to whom will he or she be accountable in case of disputes about his or her moderation, and does he or she have any business interests of his or her own that might clash with the role of moderation? Dear Sir, I think it just means we should be putting on our business hats, and use big words throw in some technical 'buzz' words here there, put on the virtual suit tie, when using that list. .. as the intended audience is from the 'corporate world'. (so no :-) faces... and 'stuff' is needed). .. like a group of hobbyists who want to totally change the playing field disrupt a century old industry of status-quo... Cheers, (Kind regards,) Sam Bye Frederik ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [gvcc-members] Google Goes Bike with Directions
G... But you cant print Google Maps in Books, nor can you create custom Garmin Maps Iphone apps with the data ... or print mugs. Or create custom renderings or extract data from it. Nor can you edit the map add more details. Nor can you create customs tourist maps (ie. Wiki-Travel) maposmatic ...walking-papers or do anything else creative with the data. Yup, sites like www.bikemap.net www.wikiloc.com www.gpsies.com all show the OpenCycleMap layer people keep donating their GPS tracks :-) So yup, we'll always have the edge :0) Cheers, Sam P.S. no i havent contacted the Bike League -- Forwarded message -- From: ron richi...@telus.net Date: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM Subject: [gvcc-members] Google Goes Bike with Directions To: v...@yahoogroups.com, trans-act...@googlegroups.com, gvcc-memb...@yahoogroups.com, disc...@lists.velolove.bc.ca *Google Announces Google Biking Directions at the League of American Bicyclists' 2010 National Bike Summit * *Washington, D.C. **-** March 10, 2010 **-* The League of American Bicyclists is proud to be the forum for Google to announce what all bike riders have been waiting for - Grab Your Bike and Go with Google Maps. Google is announcing at the Opening Plenary Session at the National Bike Summit http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGXjLW-9rUimGNoYI_DSUEwU5ZCUxLtwNQTCAIjnOF_OCCe7N4HDMNuzlirLqjCEihDKrpoL3okpege7lE0CbppeRD2mHOmgQHbGuyhR-dfl_t8606w1mp_vMTjG5krWnAWe2B7ahhy2JRLty9SBVpkgthat they are adding biking directions in the U.S. to Google Maps.This new tool will open people's eyes to the possibility and practicality of hopping on a bike and riding, said Andy Clarke, President of the League of American Bicyclists. We know people want to ride more, and we know it's good for people and communities when they do ride more - this makes it possible. It is a game-changer, especially for those short trips that are the most polluting, Users can now choose biking when deciding how to get to their destination, starting today, March 10, 2010. If you're one of the 57 million Americans who ride a bike, mapping your daily commute, and planning recreational or trail rides just became easier. According to Google this has been the most requested addition to Google Maps, and the League is delighted that they have chosen the National Bike Summit to unveil this new feature. Google's announcement further proves the importance of the Summit and the bicycle movement in helping our nation become a more Bicycle Friendly Americahttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGXuIZpLWiG3X8Le3SCrWyC4rnhS-odeLkeUvsRiygYpaBlvUtvO-tg0FwNmPojHxV6m5F4lEvDsVMIBzU7d1uvXIdUlGDrQ-_HCgxf2GvDBp3qN6xzhRc6bvJ0S76QHCAH1MRvtr1C0r9O_LeTaXNOPBnk0L7X4Z2g=. The Google biking directions will make it that much easier for bicyclists to get to work, school or play. This new feature includes: step-by-step bicycling directions; bike trails outlined directly on the map; and a new Bicycling layer that indicates bike trails, bike lanes, and bike-friendly roads. The directions feature provides step-by-step, bike-specific routing suggestions - similar to the directions provided by our driving, walking, or public transit modes. Simply enter a start point and destination and select Bicycling from the drop-down menu. You will receive a route that is optimized for cycling, taking advantage of bike trails, bike lanes, and bike-friendly streets and avoiding hilly terrain whenever possible. Visit http://maps.google.com/bikinghttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGUMp5vvnnFtNxTAw4z-60rI9dIaf05UbwoX2sWcgGqwvUEpohGlo-nDsUxrf_4-N5-KDfk07e3KJLyY0ZoGLI67L274FNWyEyofMaSkXUYHlA==to try out this new feature. Biking directions for Google Maps is currently in Beta. Follow the League's news feed on the new Google feature on the League's Bloghttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGVkazOBtGfc85pAf0NAjhCrbX2LlCHRPbLwKCM0KdTv9Wc9pwSXMg8ufd7IhB7fj0AA83esJN8y-TxFdk3s9F-R0L0X43IvelE8m4knTHy-8MO3h1qfWGQL, Facebookhttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGWqzMQ8-k2SE-Cvg1H-P4SiKo9VF0G0SYhW81XT66R5M-RjnGBvO0m-tGNngMTkWeRzHZn-8lFadJGmu7gn89gcFjEPRCv9rqPh68mxsWcEPNHIUuSA4qteand Twitterhttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGUVsn7O_cFAtzm9I-aVmj3PZ54Ik147hDA3PVcNYyXKg08OEGVIHJCFrosx9SbPviT0ho8ibBze4ViL-mAfm40SoV87Kf5sust5BvCTz1f-cw==. If you have any further questions, contact Meghan Cahill at 202.822.1333 or meg...@bikeleague.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4930 (20100309) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __._,_.___ Reply to senderrichi...@telus.net?subject=google+goes+bike+with+directions| Reply to groupgvcc-memb...@yahoogroups.com?subject=google+goes+bike+with+directions| Reply via web
Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-ca] Fwd: [gvcc-members] Google Goes Bike with Directions
When you use bikemap.net you can use the cyclemap layer it will route based on that. http://www.bikemap.net/ Also, for Garmin MapSource with using - OSM Worldwide routable, it does a great job routing cyclists :) http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php Cheers, Sam On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:44 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Yes but do we have software that can work out a route for cyclists or pedestrians or bus and pedestrians yet? Cheerio John On 10 March 2010 03:30, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: G... But you cant print Google Maps in Books, nor can you create custom Garmin Maps Iphone apps with the data ... or print mugs. Or create custom renderings or extract data from it. Nor can you edit the map add more details. Nor can you create customs tourist maps (ie. Wiki-Travel) maposmatic ...walking-papers or do anything else creative with the data. Yup, sites like www.bikemap.net www.wikiloc.com www.gpsies.com all show the OpenCycleMap layer people keep donating their GPS tracks :-) So yup, we'll always have the edge :0) Cheers, Sam P.S. no i havent contacted the Bike League -- Forwarded message -- From: ron richi...@telus.net Date: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM Subject: [gvcc-members] Google Goes Bike with Directions To: v...@yahoogroups.com, trans-act...@googlegroups.com, gvcc-memb...@yahoogroups.com, disc...@lists.velolove.bc.ca *Google Announces Google Biking Directions at the League of American Bicyclists' 2010 National Bike Summit * *Washington, D.C. **-** March 10, 2010 **-* The League of American Bicyclists is proud to be the forum for Google to announce what all bike riders have been waiting for - Grab Your Bike and Go with Google Maps. Google is announcing at the Opening Plenary Session at the National Bike Summit http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGXjLW-9rUimGNoYI_DSUEwU5ZCUxLtwNQTCAIjnOF_OCCe7N4HDMNuzlirLqjCEihDKrpoL3okpege7lE0CbppeRD2mHOmgQHbGuyhR-dfl_t8606w1mp_vMTjG5krWnAWe2B7ahhy2JRLty9SBVpkgthat they are adding biking directions in the U.S. to Google Maps.This new tool will open people's eyes to the possibility and practicality of hopping on a bike and riding, said Andy Clarke, President of the League of American Bicyclists. We know people want to ride more, and we know it's good for people and communities when they do ride more - this makes it possible. It is a game-changer, especially for those short trips that are the most polluting, Users can now choose biking when deciding how to get to their destination, starting today, March 10, 2010. If you're one of the 57 million Americans who ride a bike, mapping your daily commute, and planning recreational or trail rides just became easier. According to Google this has been the most requested addition to Google Maps, and the League is delighted that they have chosen the National Bike Summit to unveil this new feature. Google's announcement further proves the importance of the Summit and the bicycle movement in helping our nation become a more Bicycle Friendly Americahttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGXuIZpLWiG3X8Le3SCrWyC4rnhS-odeLkeUvsRiygYpaBlvUtvO-tg0FwNmPojHxV6m5F4lEvDsVMIBzU7d1uvXIdUlGDrQ-_HCgxf2GvDBp3qN6xzhRc6bvJ0S76QHCAH1MRvtr1C0r9O_LeTaXNOPBnk0L7X4Z2g=. The Google biking directions will make it that much easier for bicyclists to get to work, school or play. This new feature includes: step-by-step bicycling directions; bike trails outlined directly on the map; and a new Bicycling layer that indicates bike trails, bike lanes, and bike-friendly roads. The directions feature provides step-by-step, bike-specific routing suggestions - similar to the directions provided by our driving, walking, or public transit modes. Simply enter a start point and destination and select Bicycling from the drop-down menu. You will receive a route that is optimized for cycling, taking advantage of bike trails, bike lanes, and bike-friendly streets and avoiding hilly terrain whenever possible. Visit http://maps.google.com/bikinghttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGUMp5vvnnFtNxTAw4z-60rI9dIaf05UbwoX2sWcgGqwvUEpohGlo-nDsUxrf_4-N5-KDfk07e3KJLyY0ZoGLI67L274FNWyEyofMaSkXUYHlA==to try out this new feature. Biking directions for Google Maps is currently in Beta. Follow the League's news feed on the new Google feature on the League's Bloghttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGVkazOBtGfc85pAf0NAjhCrbX2LlCHRPbLwKCM0KdTv9Wc9pwSXMg8ufd7IhB7fj0AA83esJN8y-TxFdk3s9F-R0L0X43IvelE8m4knTHy-8MO3h1qfWGQL, Facebookhttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGWqzMQ8-k2SE-Cvg1H-P4SiKo9VF0G0SYhW81XT66R5M-RjnGBvO0m-tGNngMTkWeRzHZn-8lFadJGmu7gn89gcFjEPRCv9rqPh68mxsWcEPNHIUuSA4qteand Twitterhttp://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103167038569s=6360e=001pYbKTip6NGUVsn7O_cFAtzm9I
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Announce: OpenOS
Hi, i wrote in-line On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:36 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: On 27 March 2010 16:17, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: But actually we already have a Dev.osm server API that people use for samples, this maybe could be called OpenImportsMap.org? The purpose of dev is a little different, people test new tools there and do that often by adding nonsensical data or deleting a random piece. I do remember on the IRC someone recommending to a newbie to 'let their kids go nuts' over on the dev API. (perhaps that wasn't the best recommendation, teaching the kid that is a group of volunteers who take pride in quality work would probably have been better). For your clearinghouse you want something where data doesn't disappear for no reason. Which is an expansion of OpenOS to include the world, so this would be a place to host the entire Import catelogue (which BTW, that top header should be BOLDED a little more) IMO. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue From my example, I would need to be careful and only put in the data that is intended to be used. ie. if a road network is available from 3 different sources (national canvec nts size geobase province size provincial Ontario separate dataset) we would want to make sure that the best version is available. Ideally, this is also a good home to store the entire CanVec/ TIGER / LINZ / OS etc..dataset (of all features). ... So then it can: 1 - be updated all the time with the latest data (as new datasets become available, that precious (or precarious) UUID is kept nice and clean) 2 - it can be converted to a WMS (of the complete set available to anyone at any time) 3 - source shp files could be kept? (or just converted to .osm as soon as its available from the source, if not available in real-time... but ogr2osm could be programmed with a script to be run to check the source for changes convert as changes happen from the data source (checking source file update-date file size) 3 - and it can be all converted to .gpx (for if it isn't available as a WMS) so people can trace over the geometry (in the regular OSM environment) 4 - and have it as an (ugly) mapnik/osmarender/special_mix map tiles can be rendered and shown. .. not pritty because we dont want to encourage editing of the this database. 5 - ... and doesn't interfere with the community work. 6 - ... and doesn't require people to 'claim' areas they are working on eg1 (as in Canada we are 'claiming NTS tiles on a Google docs chart, eg2 in Haiti the Hospital POIs were organized on a GoogleDocs chart with access by invite (which was frustrating for mappers, as it became a separate project, that always has to keep up) (ketchup and muster) ... keeping the playground separate is requested many times over. eg3 and other countries 'claim areas' using a wikitable. (and requires users to 'claim' that part of the file/file slice or geographic region) eg4 or some other like Coraine with a dedicated website hosting it all (like OpenStreetBugs). ...[1] These these methods currently in use are fine for an overview, but not for the details as it cannot keep up, and actually destroys communities (yes destroys). Since the entire community is not on the talk@ lists, or IRC's they dont know what's going on cant help in real-time, where as a 'OpenImportsMap' WMS Layer[2] or pulling data from a different API[3] or pulling GPX from a different API would solve this and keep the community) i could continue on for days but wont. :0) (I cc'd the imports@ list and talk-us@ list and talk-ca@ list and the New Zealand list (as they are currently in the planning stage of LINZ data. Sorry, i just cant handle another discussion list :-) Thanks to that user for sharing the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importing_Government_Data page on that journal entry yesterday :-) ... i'll edit it and talk about canvec a bit there. (instead of making a new essay, i'll do that on a blog instead) Cheers, Sam [1] the OpenImportsMap idea is a derivative / spin-off from the Corrine import process (but on a much larger planet size scale) [2] http://wms.openstreetmap.de/ already exists and is a holding house for the WMS layers to be used. the all could technically be combined in to 1 large WMS feed (as a few countries are now listed) [3] the dev server is like these ones http://apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ ... where is says 'as a data sandbox', the idea here is to designate a 'sandbox' for all of the data that is available to import. (or has already been imported the latest data can be 'imported' into this new sandbox and replace the old sand.' ... and the 'sand' is the entire world (made up of little nodes). I also have some huge datasets that I'd like to put somewhere with API access that isn't the main database, one is an import ongoing for two years already, the other is a dataset I vectorised but can't use it in OSM because I'm
[Talk-us] Canadian International Boundary Offshore Limit
Hi all, I'm just thinking about that mega Oil Spill that happened, and the Canadian concerns http://www.timescolonist.com/news/slick+disaster+triggers+alarm+bells+Canada/3005357/story.html One of the things im working on is mapping the National Protected areas and aborigional lands, were some are off-shore. The Atlas of Canada. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Canada is currently the only source for this boundary info (that i know of), so it's good to map it. .. as it show what (canada thinks is this off-shore limit border) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/58720651 Rweait noted that most countries just show the 12nm limit. ... however... the world doesnt always get along :-) Because there is this Endeavour Hydrothermal Vents Marine Protected area (rectangle) exists it's way outside this limit. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/54601371 So it would be interesting to see if others can find sources for the US international waters... and actually map out there these ecological reserves are that have been damaged. (in the gulf of mexico) .. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8651333.stm as well as all the ecological reserves out in the pacific what the US thinks is the border limits But perhaps even more importantly is the mega drilling off Alaska / Canada coast. So showing these boarders will help people at least put it into context. As it's never clear where these dilling areas are planned. (since maps are never available) http://www.pacificenvironment.org/article.php?id=3276 Anyway, I'll wait until this gets rendered (at the different zoom levels), then wait a little more after that so to get feedback. Then continue drawing this border in a few weeks. Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Canadian International Boundary Offshore Limit
Ok cool, so are there any objections to me continuing this line all around the country (where Atlas of Canada shows it)? I'll still wait and see it rendered on Mapnik, so others will see it. In the meantime, im adding in all the National protected areas along the perimeter of the country. The one in the far north, you just need to zoom in a little to see it. There will be more detail in that area by september (from Natural Resources Canada) Sam On 5/10/10, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: This might be helpful regarding arctic boundaries/claims: http://www.dur.ac.uk/ibru/resources/arctic/ Brad On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm just thinking about that mega Oil Spill that happened, and the Canadian concerns http://www.timescolonist.com/news/slick+disaster+triggers+alarm+bells+Canada/3005357/story.html One of the things im working on is mapping the National Protected areas and aborigional lands, were some are off-shore. The Atlas of Canada. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Canada is currently the only source for this boundary info (that i know of), so it's good to map it. .. as it show what (canada thinks is this off-shore limit border) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/58720651 Rweait noted that most countries just show the 12nm limit. ... however... the world doesnt always get along :-) Because there is this Endeavour Hydrothermal Vents Marine Protected area (rectangle) exists it's way outside this limit. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/54601371 So it would be interesting to see if others can find sources for the US international waters... and actually map out there these ecological reserves are that have been damaged. (in the gulf of mexico) .. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8651333.stm as well as all the ecological reserves out in the pacific what the US thinks is the border limits But perhaps even more importantly is the mega drilling off Alaska / Canada coast. So showing these boarders will help people at least put it into context. As it's never clear where these dilling areas are planned. (since maps are never available) http://www.pacificenvironment.org/article.php?id=3276 Anyway, I'll wait until this gets rendered (at the different zoom levels), then wait a little more after that so to get feedback. Then continue drawing this border in a few weeks. Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail data
Yup, Then it's a good reason to go an physically survey it. It's fine to load the .gpx file onto your device... as long as your physically hiking/waking/driving to the TrailHeads, it's fine to use... then you manualy update OSM that way. ... just because the AT data is Official doesn't mean that it is actually accurate to the physical land. I am finding the same with the Trans Canada Trail gpx data. In some cases, the source data was collected a long time ago and local area trail groups have changed the trail but didn't tell the Master Source of Trans Canada Trail that it's been updated. (and sometimes the origional data was collected when the trail is along railbeds that are in Canyons so the GPS recieves a poor signal. In those area's i see a 20 meter difference. And in other areas i found that the route is changed. Happy Hiking :-) You can also post your trail/route over on GPSies.com that system will donate your GPS tracks to OSM. So it's a Win-win. (GPSies.com also uses OpenCycleMap as a background map so that's great too) Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails ... PS. Im getting ready to bike the entire Trans Canada Trail. but there is one problem. .. the Trans Canada Trail is a Greenway and not a Biking Trail nor is it a hiking trail ... LOL :-) ... at least the Appalachian Trail is actually a designated Hiking Trail, PPS. yes, im also working on the National Hiking Trail (unfortunately the folks working on it have sold their sole to the Trans Canada Trail) :( ... so that knowone will be able to actually use the TCT end-to-end oh well, more work for me :-) (see above username) :-) but 1st I need a detailed basemap. So for you, it's a good thing that TIGER has already been imported, so its just a matter of correcting as you go. On Thu, May 20, 2010 8:10 PM, Eric Christensen e...@christensenplace.uswrote: I'm getting ready to hike a small portion of the Appalachian Trail (AT) and was looking for data to put into my GPS. It appears that portions of the AT have been added to OSM with some missing sections. The Appalachian Trail Conservancy has some interesting information on their website[1] which looks like good information for OSM but I don't see any licensing information, at first glance. Has anyone contacted them about possible inclusion of their data into OSM? If not, I could try to work with them so we could include their data. It would be a great asset to have. [1] http://www.appalachiantrail.org/site/c.mqLTIYOwGlF/b.4805623/k.438D/Appalachian_Trail_GIS_and_GPS_Data.htm Thanks, Eric Christensen ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Trailheads
Hi, its tourism=information; information=guide_post;name=The Trail Name on a node next to the trail exactly where the physical sign is. Then, attach the trail segments + the trail marker node to the route relation. Cheers, Sam On 7/2/10, Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 20:50 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com writes: I've wanted to tag the trail heads for the paths I've added. I've searched for such a tag in the wiki with no luck. It would be like the tag for parking: An area would indicate parking as well while a point may indicate parking. trailhead as a point is an interesting concept, and hard to pin down. It seems to apply to bigger trails more than anything else. Conceptually, what distinguishes something you'd call a trailhead? To me, a trailhead doesn't necessarily have good parking, but somehow stands out as a hike start/end location because the trail that comes to the road is particularly important. If a trailhead is just amenity=parking and information=board, we have a way to represent those. So I think what's really missing is some way to label some highway=footway as more important than others. I've been thinking about this question for a few days. Maybe the only way to distinguish a trailhead is that it has been designated as this by some trail authority. For instance, the Ogden River Parkway (http://weberpathways.org/trails_display.asp?ID=30 ) crosses several streets but only certain places are designated trailheads. On the West Haven Trail (http://weberpathways.org/trails_display.asp?ID=32 ) the trailhead is located where there is public parking and a paved trail (not a sidewalk) all of the way to the Weber River Parkway. What other way could we use to designate trailheads? Many GPS units have icons and searches for trailheads. What criteria do they use? - Val - ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
