Forwarded messages

2000-04-11 Thread Graham Foster

Hello All,

  Why aren't forwarded messages grouped under the same thread when
  sorted by subject (or thread ref)?

regards,
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Re: The Bat! - bug report

2000-04-11 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

Hi Syafril,

On  11 April 2000  at  09:34:17 GMT +0700 (which was 03:34 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "The Bat! - bug report":

MDP Observe  the  behaviour  of the Transmission progress dialog
MDP and the cancel button.

 I curios this is a Winsock problem, in NT there is Event Viewer log
 to check this things, I don't know what's program on Win9x.

None AFAIK :-(

 Are you running any proxy ? If yes, try again with the proxy service
 disable.

I  am  ... and I have previously. No change in behaviour. However, the
bizarre  non-cancellation  of  the transmit dialog is surely a clue to
something  going  wrong  at the TB end. I should add that, once the TB
transmit  session  hits *its'* timeout limit, the dialog box /does/ go
away.

You've  seen my reports on this problem to the MDaemon team. I thought
it  was an MDaemon issue because it seemed that the problem would only
ever  clear  if I let MDaemon timeout properly. That is no longer true
and was just a coincidence.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

2000-04-11 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

Hi tracer,

On  11 April 2000  at  09:51:43 GMT +0700 (which was 03:51 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "The Bat! - bug report":

 Send a mail to a locally installed MDaemon server using TCP/IP and
 SMTP on an NT domain DHCP-centric LAN with the server installed on
 a  Win9x  P233mmx  workstation.  Sometimes  (but  not  always) the
 session  will  stall. On average, I would say 1 in 3 sessions fail
 for me.

 Observe  the behaviour of the Transmission progress dialog and the
 cancel button.

 Yeah - I know ... pretty esoteric, but what can I do?

 have you tried reinstalling 98??

No, but I did just upgrade to WinMe on that system.

 Or a different system with same setup?

It used to run on NT without any problems.

 maybe some other program interfering?

Tried  and  tried  again.  Stripped  down  to  almost  only the server
running. No change. As I just said to Syafril, the thing that makes me
frown in TB's direction is this business of the non-cancelling dialog.

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Re: Forwarded messages

2000-04-11 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

Hi Graham,

On  11 April 2000  at  09:45:43 GMT +0100 (which was 09:45 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Forwarded messages":

   Why aren't forwarded messages grouped under the same thread when
   sorted by subject (or thread ref)?

Well,  a Fwd: modifier on a message subject *should* result in subject
sorting.  If  it  doesn't  then  IMHO  that's  a bug. OTOH a forwarded
message  may  not  have  the  requisite "In-Reply-To" and "References"
headers to allow it to participate in true threading by thread ref.

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Re: Flagging and Unflagging

2000-04-11 Thread Tony Boom

 

This message: 11/04/2000 07:47 GMT.


  Monday, April 10, 2000, 9:25:37 PM, Simon wrote:

S A Chairde,

S Bug Subject: 
S Anyone else finding that the Display/Only blah blah is very quirky?

S If you select Display/Only UnFlagged, /Only Unread, /Only Unparked you'll
S see what I mean Surely that isn't the way it is supposed to work?

  Yes,  you  can't  select  between  them without selecting the view All
  message  option first. This seems the only option that cancels out the
  previous one.

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Re[2]: No Attachments

2000-04-11 Thread Andreas Rumpenhorst

Hello Marek,  Hamburg/GER, Tuesday, April 11, 2000

in your mail dated Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 00:22,
you whispered something about "No Attachments":

 in Beta/16 still no display for HTML attachments... :-(
MM when I click on message, attachment icon appears, When I hit Esc, icon
MM disappears. :-(

Cool! ;-)   Confirmed.


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Flags

2000-04-11 Thread Andreas Rumpenhorst

Hi The Bat! users,

I must admit: I don't know, what those flags can be used for...?!

In a message I cannot flag anything except the priority, right?

Please enlighten me!

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Re: Flags

2000-04-11 Thread Allie Martin

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:33:21 +0200, Andreas Rumpenhorst wrote:

 I must admit: I don't know, what those flags can be used for...?!

The red flag provides a way of marking special messages
without having to park them. That's really all there is to it.

 In a message I cannot flag anything except the priority, right?

 Please enlighten me!

You can change the priority. You may also flag the message or
park it. There is a new column setting to indicate that the message
has been flagged. Also right click on any message and you'll see a
context menu subheading titled "Flags" where you may manually flag or
change the priorities etc. for your messages.

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Re: Flags

2000-04-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hello Allie,

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:58:12  -0500GMT (11/04/2000, 17:58 +0800GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

 I must admit: I don't know, what those flags can be used for...?!

AM The red flag provides a way of marking special messages
AM without having to park them. That's really all there is to it.

It was a repeated request. It was often described as the "seen" flag,
but of course everybody can interpret the flag as her/she wishes to.
"Has been read but still needs reply" would be my choice.

 In a message I cannot flag anything except the priority, right?

 Please enlighten me!

AM You can change the priority. You may also flag the message or
AM park it.

Three different things. Priority is not a flag IMHO, as a flag is
really a binary register setting (IIRC from my assembler times). Thus,
it's a boolean as in Parked="0" or "1".

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Re: (No Subject)

2000-04-11 Thread Stefan Tanurkov

Hello tracer,


t Question: during an experiment I installed a version of the Bat clean,
t something I havent done in a LONG time.
t Why does it want to stick the mailbox on my windows desktop???

I am not sure. Probably, because a wrong mail directory path...



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Re[2]: Fixing Thread References

2000-04-11 Thread Stefan Tanurkov

Hello Januk,

   I remember Stefan had added the ability to fix broken threads, but I
   can't seem to figure out how.  Could someone please enlighten this
   heathen?  Thanks.

JA In the features list of Beta 10, Stefan had mentioned,

JA   [*] Broken message threads can be repaired by using the References
JA   field

JA Does anyone know how to do this?

Well, this actually means that when some messages mentioned in the
REFERENCES header absent, the thread still will be displayed as one
branch...


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problem with filtering

2000-04-11 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello,

  I have problem with automatic filtering in Beta/16:

  When I create new filtr (for example "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"), which
  is processed by "subject" with string "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and I create
  new folder with name "CanisOnelist", TB receive mail and it is stored
  in INBOX and not moved to set folder "CanisOnelist".

  can somebody reproduce it??

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Re: 1.42 Beta/16 is available

2000-04-11 Thread Michal Kosinski

   Bialystok/PL, 2000-04-11
  

Hello Michal,


ST   [-] Some minor cosmetic fixes

MK Is  it possible to include to "Some minor cosmetic fixes" in next beta
MK versions  not  to  check  by default position named "Automatically add
MK secondary  addresses  to  the  BCC  field"  in  addressbook -- contact
MK properties -- other ?

"by default" - I mean when lunching new TB! with old addressbook
containig entries created before this option was included into "other".


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Re: missing icons

2000-04-11 Thread Nick Andriash

On Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 9:46:03 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

 This bug was already reported (Graham Foster on Apr 6th) and confirmed
 but  only  applies  to  using  the  key manager window in the internal
 version of PGP.

Ah, well that will explain why it doesn't affect my install... I use the
external version of PGP.


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Re: Flags

2000-04-11 Thread Allie Martin

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:13:50 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

DH To integrate flagging in sorting-office is a step in the right
DH direction...

 I don't see the point. If necesasary, I can sort messages into special
 folders instead of using a wide variety of flags. It makes it easier
 to keep an overview, don't you think? ;-)

Take this example. I filter a MIME digest to a particular
folder. I tend to read these digests only when I have the time. In
order to prevent them from having my bat flying continually, I filter
with the action to mark them as read. Because of this, at times I
don't know which ones I had read or not.

Enter flagging : I now filter them with an additional action
to flag them. 5 days later I open the relevant folder and the digests
that I haven't yet read are flagged and waiting. I'm doing this with
my spam folder as well. No more wondering which spam needs checking
and end up overshooting the check point to make sure I haven't missed
anything. Looking only at flagged messages and then unflagging them is
a lot more precise and decisive.

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disappearing menu option Flags

2000-04-11 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello,

  When I click to folder "Outbox", I have no option "Flags" in menu
  "Message".

  Why?

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Re: Flagging and Unflagging

2000-04-11 Thread Allie Martin

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:19:25 +0700, tracer wrote:

 But it only works for the BOX selected. PLEASE, If I want it I want
 it on ALL boxes. It should be specified per account at least and
 even that doesnt work

There's a method provided Tracer and that's via the "Use
default column settings". Designate a folder as the default, make the
necessary column changes and then make the other relevant folders use
the default settings. I'm afraid that you'll have to do this manually
now, but from henceforth, with any adjustment you make to the columns
for any folder using the default settings, the same adjustments will
be made to all other folders using the default settings.

I think I prefer this. If it were a global thing, I'd be
shouting foul that I have to undo the column setting for all the
folders I don't want it to be in. The default setting feature is the
compromise here; and the better one IMHO. :)

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Re: No Attachments

2000-04-11 Thread Nick Andriash

On Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 10:46:28 AM, Allie Martin wrote:

  grumbling Well, I don't see anything wrong with sending a
 nice Christmas card or so now and then. Unfortunately society seems to
 work better with black and white implementations because of those who
 choose to abuse a feature.

Well, I should have been more specific in my criticism, and then you
wouldn't have had to grumble. ;o)  I meant people who use HTML on
Mailing Lists... although some Mailing Lists not only permit, but
encourage HTML use. I suppose it depends on the type of List you are on.


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Re: Flags

2000-04-11 Thread Christopher J. Trybowski

Hello Nick,
On Tuesday, April 11, 2000 you wrote:

 Now that we have that capability, I would like to see more colours
 introduced, with user-definable headings. Red could be for "Important";
 Yellow for "Pending"; Blue for... well, you get the idea. About six
 colours in all would suffice... similar to Eudora's labelling system.

Of  course  the  color name cannot be clearly stated anywhere in menus
etc,  because every user can change the flag's appearance anytime, and
it  wouldn't  be  relevant  anymore  (for  example  when green flag is
labeled  "red").  Instead the logical names (user-configurable?) could
be used, like "important", "to-do", "private" etc.

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The Bat! - bug report - filtering of HTML mails

2000-04-11 Thread Krzysztof J. Trybowski

Hello The Bat! developers,

  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.42 Beta/16
  Serial Number 4FF098A9
  under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998  
  and would like to report a bug

  The bug description:
When a filter action is executed, only the plain-text part of mail
is  checked  upon the appearance of signal string (location set to
"everywhere").  Text-HTML  is not checked, despite it being a part
of a message.

  Steps to reproduce the bug:
Set  up a filter with signal strings like "HTML" and apply it on
an HTML message. No action is undertaken.

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Re: Flagging

2000-04-11 Thread Christopher J. Trybowski

Hello Jerry,
On Monday, April 10, 2000 you wrote:

 One little extra which (IMHO) would improve things even more:
 It would help me immensely if there were some means of
 indicating which folders contain flagged messages (maybe by
 colour, or superimposing a flag on the folder icon).

I  have  some  other  proposals.  First  of all I'd like to be able to
globally  turn  the flag column on, which actually means that I'd like
the  ability  to globally edit folder properties. So I don't expect it
too soon (unless someone writes separate application for this).

I  think  that  flag column should have the width of 21 by default (it
has  100  here  right  now).  And another thing -- we have the columns
"parked" "flagged" "attachment" and "priority" now. If I enable all of
them,  then  they  take  lots  of  place  most  of which is just white
(attachments  and priority columns) or contain blue or red dots, which
is  pretty  the  same  --  unused  (park  and  flag  columns). Why not
integrating  them  all somehow, so that they don't take so much place?
We  already  have  "replied"  and  "forwarded"  flags  integrated with
envelopes, and I think they work great.

As  far as flagging is concerned, I would also appreciate some kind of
special indication of HTML mails...

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Re: No Attachments

2000-04-11 Thread Christopher J. Trybowski

Hello Andreas,
On Monday, April 10, 2000 you wrote:

 Hi The Bat! users,

 in Beta/16 still no display for HTML attachments... :-(

compress  your  folders, then delete all *.tbi files from your message
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Re: Flags

2000-04-11 Thread Christopher J. Trybowski

Hello Alexander,
On Tuesday, April 11, 2000 you wrote:

 Hi there!

 On 11 Apr 00, at 9:27, Nick Andriash wrote
 about "Re: Flags":

 Now that we have that capability, I would like to see more colours
 introduced, with user-definable headings. Red could be for "Important";
 Yellow for "Pending"; Blue for... well, you get the idea. About six
 colours in all would suffice... similar to Eudora's labelling system.

 Gee, in Pegasus 15 distinct colours aren't quite enough for me;-) If you 
 introduce colour labelling, introduce it right, please. 256 colours would be right 
 choice (plus ability to add a user definable colour), IMHO...

This  would  IMHO require redesigning of this feature. Currently it is
based  on  icons  (the flag is an icon) that you can change by placing
the  file glyphs.bmp in TB's directory. To implement your idea in this
case,  authors  would  have to add 256 additional icons to this -- bad
idea.  If  it  wasn't  based  on icons then it would be easier. Or for
example  this  could  be done so: one "common" icon (showing a flag or
whatever)  which would have just an outline. The fill color would be a
special  color  that  would be changed during displaying, according to
what  color the user specified. The special color could be for example
#FE  (nobody  uses it anyway, since it's almost white). However it
would be done, it seems quite complicated...

Best regards,

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Re: Flagging

2000-04-11 Thread Allie Martin

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:55:31 +0200, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote:

 I  have  some  other  proposals.  First  of all I'd like to be able
 to globally  turn  the flag column on, which actually means that I'd
 like the  ability  to globally edit folder properties. So I don't
 expect it too soon (unless someone writes separate application for
 this).

It's a pity the default column settings thing is not
documented well enough. I got a good working handle on it since my
early TB! days. Since then, whenever I create a new folder, the first
thing that I do is decide whether or not I wish the column settings to
be like most of my other folders (ie, those that I have using the
default settings). If I wish to use these same settings, I immediately
toggle on the "Use default column settings" in the properties. Upon
reopening the folder, it has the same settings as all others. This is
a set and forget thing. To enable the flag column across most of my
folders, I simply opened one of those that uses the default settings
and included the flags column and that was all.

To implement a global thing would be unnecessary, since
superior functionality is already there. A default setting offers more
flexibility than a forced global setting. At least I can exclude
folders from the default, but I can't do this with a toggle that has
global effect.

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Re: Fixing Thread References

2000-04-11 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Stefan,

Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 3:41:11 AM, you wrote:

JA In the features list of Beta 10, Stefan had mentioned,

JA   [*] Broken message threads can be repaired by using the References
JA   field

JA Does anyone know how to do this?

 Well, this actually means that when some messages mentioned in the
 REFERENCES header absent, the thread still will be displayed as one
 branch...

Ok, I understand.  Thanks.

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Re: No Attachments

2000-04-11 Thread Nick Andriash

On Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 11:01:48 AM, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote:

 compress  your  folders, then delete all *.tbi files from your message
 base.

Christopher, is that a recognised fix for the problem of TB! not showing
the attachment icon with HTML messages? Is there some documentation with
that? Stefan?


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