Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:37:12 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP Write a message with "Sign when complete" checked. Park it as a MDP draft then click into the outbox and uncheck the "draft" flag on MDP the message. If this message is unsigned, the your bug is confirmed. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Daddy, what does FORMATTING DRIVE C: mean? " -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lift bar
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:33:45 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA Nope, we were just discussing this problem (and various incarnations JA of this bug) on TBUDL. There are three scenarios where the scroll JA bar disappears (what you called the lift bar. Scroll bar is just JA more general.) JA 1. The bug you described. I've seen this on occasion. JA 2. Something very similar. Create a new message, (or a reply, it JA doesn't matter) type a couple of lines so it all fits into one JA window. Now use the arrow keys, page up/down keys or scroll wheel JA mouse to scroll down (or horizontally). The scroll bars do not JA appear. For me the scroll-bars appear as soon as I start typing after moving the cursor down or sideways. JA 3. If %Cursor is *after* %Quotes in your reply template, scroll bars JA will not appear. I have tried this and the scroll-bars appear. :-/ The plot thickens. Is this an OS specific problem? I'm using Win2k. Could be a Win98 issue. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "From my brain, an organ with a mind of its own. " -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reading messages issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:06:12 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML I often wonder about that myself. The rule of thumb is to see if a ML bug or feature exists only in beta software. In reality, however, ML I've found myself using beta software most of the time, and not sure ML when a potential bug was introduced. Accordingly, I've always used ML TBUDL unless I'm "sure" something is related only to the betas ML (S/MIME, e.g.). To avoid any confusion, if you are using a beta version of TB!, you should confine bug reports to the beta list. Feature requests are of course welcome or suggestions for improved or changing present implementation of features is welcome on TBUDL. However, suggestions or questions on recently added features that are present only in beta versions should be done only on the beta list. I understand what you're saying though Ming. The beta's have been so common that it's difficult to keep in one's mind a precise boundary between what features/fixes are still in beta and what are not. The only way to deal with this is to lay down black and white rules as above. :-) - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "The best defense is to stay out of range. " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: Included for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOZy1ffAXeSHuB5k3EQL01gCbBBZVpx90Ydm/SjvJktzOhgXYrQQAoIYK pBD07P6i8kFjZW5QK0C43wSi =oiDi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Bug in Attachment sending!
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:20:50 +0200, Dirk Heiser wrote: DH If i compose a new message, attach a File (with DragDrop), delete DH the File from the HDD and Send the message. The Result is that the DH message send with an empty Attachment. DH Settings are: DH - Store Attachments in message Bodys. DH - Bind Attchmants only while send mails out are _not_ checked. These are my settings as well. snip DH Create a new message, attach a file with DragDrop, delete this DH file from the HDD, send the message to yourself and try to open DH the attachment. Opened OK here. :-/ Hmmm. I can't reproduce this bug. I sent myself attachments using drag and drop and also using the attachments toolbar button. I deleted the files from the source directory and then sent the messages. Both attachments were there on checking. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "I'm not tense, just terribly A*L*E*R*T!! " -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Bug in Attachment sending!
Hi A., Friday, August 18, 2000, 1:50:11 AM, you wrote: ACM Opened OK here. :-/ ACM Hmmm. I can't reproduce this bug. I sent myself attachments using drag ACM and drop and also using the attachments toolbar button. I deleted the ACM files from the source directory and then sent the messages. Both ACM attachments were there on checking. I use the "Send Now" Button from the message Editor (The Tool Bar Button), perhaps there are the difference. cu, Dirk -- Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 (S/N 12A1F196 / Educational) under Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lift bar
Hello A, On Friday, August 18, 2000 at 22:57:13 GMT -0500 (which was 8:57 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:33:45 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA 2. Something very similar. Create a new message, (or a reply, it JA doesn't matter) type a couple of lines so it all fits into one JA window. Now use the arrow keys, page up/down keys or scroll wheel JA mouse to scroll down (or horizontally). The scroll bars do not JA appear. For me the scroll-bars appear as soon as I start typing after moving the cursor down or sideways. That's the key, as soon as you start typing. I think TB should calculate the scroll bars based on cursor position (much like spreadsheet programs do). This shouldn't be hard since TB knows and displays the cursor position anyway. JA 3. If %Cursor is *after* %Quotes in your reply template, scroll bars JA will not appear. I have tried this and the scroll-bars appear. :-/ The plot thickens. Is this an OS specific problem? I'm using Win2k. Could be a Win98 issue. To tell the truth, I haven't noticed this either. I have my reply template in a quick template and use the %qinclude macro. I wonder if it is different if one uses the folder level or account level templates? -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lift bar
Er, hit the send button too quick... For me the scroll-bars appear as soon as I start typing after moving the cursor down or sideways. That's the key, as soon as you start typing. I think TB should calculate the scroll bars based on cursor position (much like spreadsheet programs do). This shouldn't be hard since TB knows and displays the cursor position anyway. Let me clarify. I think TB should calculate scroll bars based on cursor position in addition to the existence of text. Right now all this message fits on one screen for me. If I hit page down, it is not immediately obvious that I still have text higher up. I just did a test. I hit page down, no scroll bars. I typed one character, and the scroll bars appeared. I then deleted that character (backspace), scroll bars were still there. I then hit page up, and the scroll bars still indicated that there was something further down. I think what is happening is that TB doesn't define the white area until you type something, although you can navigate to any point. So when you type something, any preceding white space is then defined. But TB doesn't strip it again until the message is sent. It appears that scroll bars are calculated on the defined space in a message. But this causes problems when the defined area fits completely into the window, and the scroll bars disappear. This complaint for the scroll bar behaviour is simply to reduce ambiguity. With this free caret interface, the need to use the Home and End keys is much more prevalent. On a keyboard like mine, that means the Page Up/Down keys are often hit simply due to slight overreach, (aka typist error). Let me tell you, it is a bit unnerving to hit what you think is the End key, and find that all your text magically disappears. It takes a while to realize that it still exists, especially the first few times it happens. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Bug in Attachment sending!
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:29:52 +0200, Dirk Heiser wrote: ACM Opened OK here. :-/ ACM Hmmm. I can't reproduce this bug. I sent myself attachments using drag ACM and drop and also using the attachments toolbar button. I deleted the ACM files from the source directory and then sent the messages. Both ACM attachments were there on checking. DH I use the "Send Now" Button from the message Editor (The Tool Bar DH Button), perhaps there are the difference. Yes, this is the difference. Put the message in the outbox before deleting the attachment source. Apparently the attachment isn't bound before the message reaches the outbox. This may be implementation and not a bug. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Brevity is the soul of lingerie. " -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:46:16 +0400, Alexander Drunin wrote: AD Sometimes I think that I like TB! mostly because of bugs :-) ..At AD least I find myself enjoying some of them. Feh! That's not sounding too good. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "My favourite mythical creature? The honest politician. " -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Bug in Attachment sending!
Hi A., Sunday, August 20, 2000, 2:25:00 AM, you wrote: DH I use the "Send Now" Button from the message Editor (The Tool Bar DH Button), perhaps there are the difference. ACM Yes, this is the difference. Put the message in the outbox before ACM deleting the attachment source. Apparently the attachment isn't bound ACM before the message reaches the outbox. This may be implementation and ACM not a bug. Then it is implemented wrong :-) TB! should _never_ send an invalid message without warn the user about this. One Solution are to look the file until it is no longer needed. cu, Dirk -- Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 (S/N 12A1F196 / Educational) under Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Marck and everyone else... MDP The bug description: MDP Using the "sign when complete" option, when saving a draft, TB MDP (quite correctly) doesn't sign the draft and wait for you to MDP re-load and complete the message before signing. But there is a MDP loophole. If you simply unpark the message, it is sent unsigned. MDP Steps to reproduce the bug: MDP Write a message with "Sign when complete" checked. Park it as a MDP draft then click into the outbox and uncheck the "draft" flag on MDP the message. I believe TB! does not save 'Sign on complete' and 'Encrypt on complete' settings when a message is saved as draft. I have experienced a similar situation: I have a address book-level new message template for one particular recipient, which contains the %encryptcomplete and %signcomplete macros. They work fine when creating a new message--TB! enables both options. However, if I save as draft and re-open the message, both Encrypt and Sign On Complete are disabled. If I don't remember to re-enable them, I'll send the message unsecured accidentally. It has happened more than once and is rather irritating. :-/ -- Gold Gauramimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Eat healthy, exercise daily...die anyway! //Flying high with The Bat! v1.46 Beta/3 //Over the land of Win98 v4.10 build 1998 //Fueled by an AMD K6-2 400mhz, 128mb RAM, and fusion. -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
