Re[2]: NAV 2002 update has apparently fixed something

2002-03-17 Thread Philippe Gouillou

Bonjour,

 Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:33:46 +, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP Yeah! I am very upset about this particular update. It's broken. It
MDP may fix the e-mail scanning issues but it now reports a false positive
MDP on any ClickTeam InstallMaker UNINSTAL.EXE instances, quarantining and
MDP erasing the offending file :-(((. This is a *real* problem.

 Confirmed : it found that Brainstorm uninstaller was positive for
 Backdoor.Trojan


  A bientôt,

Philippe

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Re: Signature delimiters

2002-03-17 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Philippe,

17. marec 2002, 11:44:29, you wrote:

PG  I imagine this means that TB! check for delimiter :
PG  - From the bottom when displaying (for the gray)
PG  - From the top when quoting

Not quite - if the delimiter is written as --  in the message
source, the first will be recognized. However, if it's written as
--=20, only the last one will be...

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Re: 1.54 Beta/49

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Alexander,

On Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 3:16:19 AM you wrote (at least in part):

AL Active disabled, but hotkey _create message_!!!

That's a long standing one :-)
'Active' disabled but hotkey working is there since aeons .-)
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Re: RTV and sig delimiter

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Jacek,

On Friday, March 15, 2002 at 10:24:47 PM you wrote (at least in part):

JW Why? Maybe because yours has in Source view:
JW --=20
JW and Dierk's -- 

Dierks message:

 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Mine:

 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Think you a bug report should be filed :-)
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Re: RTV and sig delimiter

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Dierk,

On Friday, March 15, 2002 at 8:55:35 PM you wrote (at least in part):

DH BTW, what was the way to change the font size?

'Options' / 'Preferences' / 'Viewer'
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Re: Poll: Bug collection

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Dwight,

On Saturday, March 16, 2002 at 9:33:32 PM you wrote (at least in
part):

   *RTV: doesn't show cursor|  Yes

DAC why does the RTV need a cursor? It shouldn't have one since you can't
DAC do anything with it anyway.

But you can't select and copy with help of keyboard too this way.
It's sometimes annoying to grab for the mouse just to select a part of
the text if you want to reply by using F4 :-/
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Re: 1.54 Beta/49

2002-03-17 Thread Michael Urban

ST 1.54 Beta/49 is now available from
ST http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

Still present: Cancel/Abort buttons in Connection window do not work.
 
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Re: How can I automate Folder -- Kill Dupes?

2002-03-17 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Dennis,

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 05:22:39 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to How can I automate Folder -- Kill Dupes?:

 On my Windows 2000 Pro SP2, the ALT key toggles the underlines on and
 off.

Strange indeed. I seemed to have lost all the keyboard shortcuts under the
Folder menu, although I'm not sure what you mean by 'underlines', as I've
never seen my keyboard shortcuts underlined. Am I missing something here?


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Re: Poll: Bug collection

2002-03-17 Thread Gnther Eisele

Hei,

Bug fix needed
--
EUR char is not displayed correctly in header pane/  |  Yes
message list (#536)  |
 |
When deleting threads/messages with ctrl+shift+del   |  Yes
one or more messages are marked (#595, marked as |
as fixed, but it is not fixed[1])|

The UI issues you mentioned are not bugs IMHO.

[1] I wonder why there is no function to re-open a bug; you actually have
to open up a new bug, which makes the bugtracker less usable. And I miss a
filter function which lists all bugs that are not fixed. Then we have a
list which should be fixed before a release and before adding new
functions to TB!.

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Re: Poll: Bug collection

2002-03-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, 7:16:51 AM, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

DAC why does the RTV need a cursor? It shouldn't have one since you
DAC can't do anything with it anyway.

 But you can't select and copy with help of keyboard too this way.
 It's sometimes annoying to grab for the mouse just to select a part of
 the text if you want to reply by using F4 :-/

I realized that later, I think when I read the post I think from Nick
about being a mouser (which I thought was a characteristic limited to
house {and especially barn) cats). So I agree it should be added, but
I don't think release should have to wait for it.

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Re: Poll: Bug collection

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Dwight,

On Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 2:58:07 PM you wrote (at least in part):

DAC but I don't think release should have to wait for it.

Agreed ... Forgot to mention I don't call it RC-blocking :-)
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Re: How can I automate Folder -- Kill Dupes?

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Nick,

On Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 2:37:04 PM you wrote (at least in part):

 On my Windows 2000 Pro SP2, the ALT key toggles the underlines on and
 off.

NA Strange indeed.

Go to 'Display Settings' in your system (right click on desktop /
'Properties') and choose 'Effects'.

'Hide keyboard navigation indicators until I use the Alt key'
deactivated will do the trick.
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Re: Why no release.txt??

2002-03-17 Thread Gnther Eisele

Hei,

Jonathan Wayne wrote:

 Now THAT'S what I'm looking for, but this really should be posted in the beta
 area, don't you think??

Well, the less work I have the better it is ;-) Well, I think the
Ritlabbers compile such lists only for the release version. I can live
with the current solution.

 There was an error: your account may be disabled or the username/password you
 entered is incorrect.

A user in the German newsgroup reported the same problem. CC to the
ritlabs.com webmaster: Can you check what's happening here?

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Re[2]: Why no release.txt??

2002-03-17 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Günther,
On Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 17:09:08 [GMT +0100], you wrote:

GE Sometimes, bugs are classified as fixed even if they're not - you
GE have to write a new bug report.

I already filed a bug report for this behaviour, because the
documentation states that reopening a bug is possible.
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view_bug_advanced_page.php?f_id=526

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Re: 1.54 Beta/49

2002-03-17 Thread Michael Urban

Dierk,
 
 On Sunday, March 17, 2002 at 2:33:56 PM you wrote:

 Still present: Cancel/Abort buttons in Connection window do not work.
 
 ???
 They do ...

Not always. There are circumstances where the msg transfer hangs on
100% and doesn't continue. Then the buttons have no effect. You can
close the connection window though, but it hasn't any effect. TB still
thinks it is polling and i.e. can't be closed.

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Re: Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98

2002-03-17 Thread Nick Andriash

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 08:46:34 AM -0700, I wrote the following in
regards to Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98:

 The question now is, how did you end up with a message containing an
 attachment of that nature? TB! is working as it should there.

 Don't know. :o(  I'm still using Becky as my main Mailer at the moment so
 I have TB leave all messages on the Server. I will download the same
 messages again using Becky and see if I receive the same results, as Becky
 also includes HTML tabs at the bottom.

Ok I just checked the very same messages using Becky, and the attachment
is labelled at 'Reply.html' and presented as an HTML tab in Becky but a
Reply tab in TB. Don't know why, but I have HTML turned off in Becky so
it's just a bunch of code, but in TB the HTML message is shown. Hmmm? I
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Re: Why no release.txt??

2002-03-17 Thread Allie C Martin

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:40:09 -0800, Nick Andriash [NA] wrote these
comments:
...
NA The point though that I think Jonathan was trying to make was that
NA we shouldn't have to, as it's been his experience... and mine to be
NA honest... that most all other Program Betas do have a running
NA Release.txt file that highlights the ongoing development cycle.

Do you mean most other program betas or most other program full release
versions? Ritlabs dutifully includes an updated development history text
file with every full release version of TB!. The file is in the
installation directory and is called readme.txt.

NA Might be something for RITLabs to consider doing as it can be a
NA great PR vehicle... and something to post to TBUDL every once in a
NA while just to let them know that development is indeed ongoing.

Perhaps something on their website. But I don't think this is really
necessary. I don't think there's any TB! user who doesn't know that
development is ongoing. :-)

Ritlabs' method of providing beta update information is quite
acceptable. In its present form it will only be available to list
subscribers who are the only ones that should be testing the beta
anyway.

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TB! v1.54 Beta/49  Windows XP 5.1.2600
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32)

iEYEARECAAYFAjyUzdgACgkQV8nrYCsHF+I3LgCfb621ygecJcHrPkA2YvlCqd9X
hxoAoLIOGVxaS24PfVvKbE7Nm3wFzNzG
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Re: Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98

2002-03-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, 10:27:55 AM, Allie C Martin wrote:

NA Yes, I realize that, and I do have many messages with the 'HTML'
NA tab. However, this is the first time I've seen the 'Reply' Tab,
NA which upon clicking it will show me the entire 'original' message
NA that the current message (reply) refers to.

 The question now is, how did you end up with a message containing an
 attachment of that nature? TB! is working as it should there.

what was 'reply' created with? I seem to recall some flavor of Outlook
or OE which used to plague me with attachments back in my Eudora days.

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Re: Why no release.txt??

2002-03-17 Thread Günther Eisele

Hei,

Allie C Martin wrote:

 Ritlabs' method of providing beta update information is quite
 acceptable. In its present form it will only be available to list
 subscribers who are the only ones that should be testing the beta
 anyway.

Actually, I think the kind of information which is given here in this list
is simply too much for official information: E.g. if a new feature is
introduced, which is buggy at the beginning, but bug free at the end, it
doesn't make sense to release information like

- introduced
- partly fixed
- functionality added
- bug fix
- another bug fix...

but just new feature here. This needs someone who compiles the new
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Re: Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98

2002-03-17 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Dwight,

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 09:25:29 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98:

 The question now is, how did you end up with a message containing an
 attachment of that nature? TB! is working as it should there.

 what was 'reply' created with? I seem to recall some flavor of Outlook
 or OE which used to plague me with attachments back in my Eudora days.

What is happening is that all *.html messages received by TB Beta 49 on my
System show a tab labelled Reply. All the HTML messages I received this
morning are from Yahoo Groups which just underwent a change so I wonder if
that change resulted in a file format that TB doesn't understand, hence
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Re: How can I automate Folder -- Kill Dupes?

2002-03-17 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Allie,

17. marec 2002, 15:41:30, you wrote:

ACM Which OS are you running? I think the feature being discussed is
ACM available only in WinXP.

Win2k has that feature, and I think that WinME, too. And I think that
Plus (or some other software) enables this on Win98, too.

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Re: Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98

2002-03-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, 11:44:56 AM, Nick Andriash wrote:

 What is happening is that all *.html messages received by TB Beta 49
 on my System show a tab labelled Reply. All the HTML messages I
 received this morning are from Yahoo Groups which just underwent a
 change so I wonder if that change resulted in a file format that TB
 doesn't understand, hence the generic icon representing the Reply
 tab?

I've gotten messages from a few yahoo groups this morning, but nothing
HTML so can't comment. Hardly ever get HTML from there.

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Re: Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98

2002-03-17 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Jernej,

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 09:48:47 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98:

 BTW: as the message seems to contain the attachment, what does the
 header of the reply attachment say?

Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:36:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: [mSeries] keyboards - m515
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
 boundary==1016296598551_Jqgki+K.Xz


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Re: Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98

2002-03-17 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Nick,

On Sunday, March 17, 2002, at 10:10:13 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98:

 BTW: as the message seems to contain the attachment, what does the
 header of the reply attachment say?

 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:36:38 -0500
 Subject: Re: Re: [mSeries] keyboards - m515
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
  boundary==1016296598551_Jqgki+K.Xz

Hmmm? The plot thickens, as I just now received a message from another
Yahoo Group that 'does' show the proper HTML tab, with these headers:

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:31:29 -0800
Subject: Re: Re: [mSeries] keyboards - m515 - Handlheld Buyer's
Computing Guide
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary==_NextPart_000_0017_01C1CD8E.22BDD1C0

So, it looks like multipart/alternative shows the HTML tab while
multipart/mixed shows the Reply tab with the generic icon. What is the
difference between the two?

They should do away with HTML and all the rest of the multi*/* junk! ;o)


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Re: Strange Things Happening with Beta 49 on Win98

2002-03-17 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Nick,

17. marec 2002, 18:13:05, you wrote:

NA Ok I just checked the very same messages using Becky, and the attachment
NA is labelled at 'Reply.html' and presented as an HTML tab in Becky but a
NA Reply tab in TB. Don't know why, but I have HTML turned off in Becky so
NA it's just a bunch of code, but in TB the HTML message is shown. Hmmm? I
NA though I had HTML off in TB as well.

HTML off in The Bat just means that HTML part of message isn't shown
by default. You can still see it if you click on the correct tab.

BTW: as the message seems to contain the attachment, what does the
header of the reply attachment say?

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Re: Mysterious double postings

2002-03-17 Thread Marcus Ohlström


On Saturday, March 16, 2002, 16:58, you wrote:

   In the last few weeks (two or three) I find double messages
   abounding.

   Is anybody else experiencing this? Or is it onmy side?

Same here :-(


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Re: various bugs

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Jonathan,

On Monday, March 18, 2002 at 7:36:40 AM you wrote (at least in part):

JW 1) _Still_ cannot print selected text (reported over a year ago)

This is a feature wish, not a bug.
(Nevertheless this might be useful to me and many others too *G*)

JW 2) Reformatting a paragraph (Alt-L or Alt-R) moves the cursor to the beginning
JW of the paragraph. Specific to the beta. LEAVE THE CURSOR ALONE!

It'S really hard to do so and this I'd call one of the most minor bug
around.

JW 3) Selecting and reformatting multiple paragraphs (Alt-L or Alt-R) JOINS the
JW paragraph; blank lines should be maintained. (IMO, of course...)

ACK.

JW 4) Undoing selecting by word in a header field is messed up. I.e.,

ACK. Somebody explained this are the Delphi components not supporting
the 'de-facto standard' for selecting :-/
Unless these edit-field components are not replaced I think there
will be no solutions for this.
But replacing them might introduce another few bug which would block a
hopefully soon coming RC ... :-/

JW 5) Threaded view. Delete Message and Move Down should take one to the next
JW message in the thread. It doesn't unless the thread is already expanded in the
JW message list window.  Silly.

I've just tested ... I've deleted the top level message of a thread
and I was taken to the next message in thread after deleting. ?!?!?
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Re: 1.54b49 RC for V2?

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Guti,

On Monday, March 18, 2002 at 5:55:06 AM you wrote (at least in part):

G It would be great to hear a statement from Ritlabs concerning the further
G development. Will 1.54 after some more beta versions with bug fixes and
G minor improvements be released as V2?

As far as I understood Maxim right on Saturday 1.54/Beta will when
finished _NOT_ be released as v2.
But 1.5x will no go a long way further after stabilizing the current
Beta.
v2 is under development, which functions there will be implemented we
didn't talk about.

So all in all Marck's and others assumption the current Beta is
somehow a test for v2 seem to be somehow correct, even if there's one
additionally stable release in v1.

HTH Pit
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Re: The Bat! - bug report

2002-03-17 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Guti,

On Monday, March 18, 2002 at 4:43:44 AM you wrote (at least in part):

G I find the signature setting should be given preference over
G the hyperlink-setting

The only thing you can set for hyperlinks is color and style. Font and
size will be taken from 'surrounding', so where's the problem? They
will not 'destroy' the lines by being bigger or smaller, they'll only
be highlighted, which is a good thing for recognizing them.

G don't apply special formating to signature

Taking every suggestions coming through this list for making something
optional will bloat the preferences dialog to a 'stand alone
application'. And nobody would have anything similar to an 'overview'
if everything would be adjustable this way. :-)

Pit
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