Re: How to renew an S/MIME certificate?
Hello Costas, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 9:07:01 AM, you wrote: CP I received a reply, with an attachment with a p7s extension. The CP email said to click the right mouse button on the certificate to CP install it. Clicking the right mouse button doesn't give me any CP explicit command to install the certificate. What exactly is it CP that I should do? Save the attached .p7s file, then from the certificate manager window in TB, choose import and select the .p7s file. Should be all you need to do. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP 8 - no encryption of attachments?
Dierk Haasis, [DH] wrote: DH I don't know, I may have enabled it some years ago. Before this gets DH out of hand, I use the plug-in from Imad Faiad for his 6.5.8ckt DH build. I haven't used that in a while, but I can't remember the MIME option in the PGP specific pop-up signing dialog ever being enabled. If you sign with it enabled, it messes up things for everyone and not just a few. No-one will be able to verify your PGP/MIME signatures. Why not sign a few of your messages to this list. In this way we can see if your signatures will verify. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html TB! v2.0 Beta/1 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1
Hello Marek, On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:03:39 +0200 (CEST) (05.08.2003 18:03 my local time) you wrote about The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1, at least in part: MM MyGate looks good, but is in Russian language only and Andrew do not MM plan international interface soon :-( Mygate 1.4 -8-- from WinClipboard [!] Added mulitilanguage support. Languages: English, Russian, Lithuatian, Czech. -8 -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD: Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP 8 - no encryption of attachments?
Hello Dierk, DH That could be good news, as it was enabled by default on my machine. DH Perhaps disabling it will render my signed messages to be readable by DH everyone ... How comes it is enabled by default? I could not see anything in PGP to keep it enabled... -- Cheers, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayestit plugin
Hello Jan, On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:54:25 +0200 GMT (10/08/2003, 22:54 +0700 GMT), Jan Oetjen wrote: But :D What if (consider the normal user) you have no web interface but simply your POP3 Account on a normal domain. www.pop2web.com www.mail2web.com Even if I do have a web interface for gmx, web.de and the likes I personally find it a waste of time having to open my web interface, log in, configure the spam (i.e. adding a new friend or so). Personal preferences. I'd rather filter on the server than downloading every known spam. Additionally I do have more then one account and I'd like to configure this once and only, not for every account again ;) I have problems per account. One receives a lot of spam, the other doesn't. One is a mailing list account (this one here), the other is private. I handle them differently, and IMHO with good reason. I just cancelled my first email address [...] because the provider doesn't offer a server-side spam filter function [...] Well, since i received mostly any spam with this account I would have to cancel it. You don't have to. It was my choice. What just comes into my mind ;) My provider recently informed me that I can have a spam filtering for my mailbox. It works the way that on the server spam is marked in the header by X-Spam: Yes or something like that. I could use this mark to force TB not to dl the email for example. Yes, TB is excellent for that. GMX offers that choice too, but I still want to have the option of downloading it anyway, and GMX offers that too, as I described. The more I think of it, the more i come to the conclusion that this whole Spam Discussion and the question if a mail reader should check for spam or not should be answered by ISPs. I disagree, and I think I have made my point by describing the way how GMX handles this matter. It works for me, but YMMV. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Love will find you, even if you are trying to hide from it. I've been trying to hide from it since I was five, but the girls keep finding me. (Bobby, 8) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1
[snip] JP After providing IMAP support, TheBat has come to what an eMail client JP is about: letting you manage your eMails. It should then focus on JP fixing the remaining bugs, and when this is done, you can think about JP RITLabs producing a news reader. I think the BatPost approach is JP better, make external programs. Why not, after TheBat is done, a JP separated news reader? Not to mention the fact that there would be more money involved for RIT if they made external programs -- and money for RIT means continued support/development of this program, and others, we've come [and will come] to love! -- -- -- -- -- -- Running The_Bat! version 2.0 Beta/1 -- -- -- -- -- -- One of my poems chosen at random specifically for you: http://jarday.com/harvest/Green%20Green%20Grass.shtml Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB2.0B1 - Moving a message to another folder with drag-n-drop isacting strange
Hello, When I move a message through drag-n-drop from a folder to another one, the message doesn't disappear immediately from the out-folder (screen refresh issue I guess). If I switch to the destination folder, the message is there, and when I come back to the originating folder, it has been deleted. So it looks okay, but everything on screen makes you first believe it failed. Right clicking a message and choosing Move does not exhibit this same behaviour. -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 2.0 B/1 - IMAP Account - Does TB store messages countssomewhere ?
On Monday, August 11, 2003, Olivier Mascia wrote... Does TB store messages count somewhere ? I believe Stefan mentioned that the counts are a work in progress thing. I'd have to check, I know there has been a lot mentioned on the counts being off. But yes, I'd say the message count could be stored somewhere... TB keeps a 'cached' copy of the message trees on moving away from the folder, this saves loading time, and makes for a slightly lighter load on the server... On reselection of a folder, it has to validate the boxes, this isn't unusual, and so the count would be off for a bit. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using IMAP
Hello Stuart, Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 4:02:50 PM, you wrote: SH I get my office mail from an exchange server that doesn't have SH POP3 enabled so I get my mail using the old IMAP implementation SH and everything works just as I want it to. Now, if I move to v2b1 SH am I right in thinking that all the mail is going to stay on the SH server? I /don't/ want this as I often work from home and don't SH want to have to either dial in to reread a message or to export it SH so I can read it later. I'd say folder synchronisation should be se to Full Message in your case, so you'd get a full copy locally of every message. The message will stay on the server anyway, cause IMAP never imply to delete a message from the server when it has been downloaded. I didn't used TB previous IMAP implementation, but I suppose it wasn't deleting messages on the IMAP server after getting them that way. Well I hope so. :) SH Our exchange server has a huge collection of folders only a SH handful of which I'm interested in. Do I have to let TB! tell me SH about all the crud as well as the bits of the folder hierarchy SH that I'm interested in? Right-Click on the account and Manage IMAP Folders. Only Subscribe to the folders you want to read. Unsubscribed folders won't be displayed in the left tree. SH I use a lot of common folders to keep mail in and, ATM, incoming mail SH is automagically sorted by my filters. I understand that auto SH filtering of incoming messages currently doesn't work. Can I manually SH filter? Yes. SH Will auto filtering work soon? (I guess only the developers can SH answer that). Good guess :-) I hope they will have it functional in Beta/2. -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 and IMAP accounts on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1
Hello Greg, Monday, August 4, 2003, 7:10:50 PM, you wrote: GS Hello Jonathan, And the massively improved IMAP support was a cunning scheme to take over the world, by not enabling it in earlier versions ;) GS No, just good marketing. :-) It is called creating incentive to GS upgrade thereby maximizing your revenue streams. hehehe grins GS BG Revenue stream can't be it, no one has asked for money and my registration number and info is already in. LOL Must be a plot to take over the world - only thing left. -- Best regards, Dennis W. Greer Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. The Human Race using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: inaccurate attachment size display
Hi Samson, @7-Aug-2003, 16:30 -0700 (00:30 UK time) Samson [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Martin: S i'm using 2.0b1 now, but the size is still wrong. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Samson. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message b) It encourages excessive quoting. and c) Since you (correctly) use a legitimate cut mark, the original text is now no longer available for comment, since it falls below the cut mark and will be automatically removed in any reply. The text you quote has effectively become a part of your signature. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.0 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Read still bold, and 'unread' messages... Mark Thread as Read
Hi, I noticed something really annoying yesterday... and it's beginning to really frustrate me today. http://thebat.netdork.net/imap_bold_read.jpg As you can see from the above screen shot, the messages are marked as read (envelope shows them as so), however the font is still bold.. I can just about live with that one. The two that are really driving me mad are: - On an IMAP server, if viewing via threads (ALT 1), I cannot mark a thread as read using CTRL SHIFT M, or the special menu from the Virtual Folder from the ticker view. Marking a thread as read from the mailbox view continues to work just fine. - In the above screen shot, notice the date. It shows the 12th, which was yesterday. I read all those emails yesterday from my SquirrelMail interface (I was working on a laptop), in fact, I read all my mail up until about 4am this morning when I finally went to bed. I came into work this morning (13th), and fetched my mail, only to have it show all of yesterdays mail as Unread even though they are NOT flagged as \UnSeen on the IMAP server. I verified that they were marked that way by typing the IMAP commands into the server directly, and using a 3rd client (Outlook Express - please don't shoot me ;). -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Threading error in TB!2b1
Guys, I've found a problem in thread management in TB!2b1. Please find here the details: A: orig: [EMAIL PROTECTED] B: reply to A: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C: reply to B: [EMAIL PROTECTED] D: reply to C: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E: reply to D: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current appearance, not OK: Should be, correct: || +- A +- A | || | +- B +- B | | +- C +- C | | | | +- D +- D || +- E +- E As you can see, C and E went to wrong position. I've checked under Evolution (linux MUA), and thread appeared correctly. Also, a friend of mine confirmed that this conversation's threading is correct on his side (with a 3rd MUA). Details from the header of C: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: tin/1.5.19-20030610 (Darts) (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.22-pre8-gzp1 (i686)) Details from the header of E: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: tin/1.5.19-20030610 (Darts) (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.22-pre8-gzp1 (i686)) According to the aboves, it seems to me, that TB! doesn't handle threading correctly. Can someone confirm this? thx tk Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is this possible using pgp 8 plugin?
Hi Bat! folks, I just wondered if or rather how to convinse the internal pgp support to clearsign rather than send the signature as pgp/mime. And while i'm at it, has the internal GnuPG plugin support been removed? I couldn't see it anywhere in the choose open pgp dialog. Thanks -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.0 Beta/1, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re-appearing IMAP folder
Hello TBBETA, I'm using the beta against an Exchange server, and I keep getting a Sent.1 folder be created whenever I send an e-mail. The server complains when I try to delete it... ... odd -- Best regards, Graham -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by e-mail and then delete it. --attachment: Clipboard01.jpg Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: message size exceeding feature request
Tuesday, 8/5/2003, 11:59 AM Hi Leif, On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, at 10:13:39 [GMT -0600] (which was 9:13 AM where I live) you wrote about: 'message size exceeding feature request' LG Yeah, we wore that puppy out a while back. I've got Trout v2.351b LG right now. Lots of nice new features. This is a keeper, parked and marked, memoed and demoed!! :) -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul if (stone.rotation 1) moss.propagation = 0; Powered by The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder's counter error
Hello all, Saturday, August 9, 2003, Alexey N. Vinogradov wrote: I subscribed to one list and during one week trial it, receiving all letters into inbox. Then I decided to make a new folder and made it under inbox. Then I created the filtering rule and refiltered inbox folder to move all list's letters into the new folder. Just after creation the new folder contained no letters, so in the treeview there was no number - even zero. But - and this is strange - when I filled the folder by refiltering inbox, nothing happens! The treeview still show that the folder contains no letters, but actually it contains it (see skinshot). In this frozen state of numbering I move some letters from the folder back into inbox and then again - into the folder (manually). The numbering haven't changed. All became right only when I restart The Bat! Ctrl+F9 helps and without restart! There was note here about problem with displaying number of letters in outbox folder. I thing this one is revealing of the same problem. So may be this witnesses will help Stefan to fix both problems? I reported this in BT two days ago, it is not too hard bug. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reference header build up in current beta
Hello Allie, On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:02:13 -0500 GMT (10/08/2003, 21:02 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: Initially it used to retain only one of those id's in addition to the In-reply-to message id. However, this made thread cohesiveness very fragile, especially for those who deleted messages within the thread. More headers were added. However, I don't recall *all* previous headers being added. I don't know the RFC in charge of this, but it sounds like the current behaviour is better, and you have answered you own question in the first paragraph I quoted. I may be misunderstanding you, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I prayed for patience once... And I'm STILL waiting! Message reply created with The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scrollbar in attachment pane
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: TF I think the scrollbar should push the attachment pane up, so that I TF can still access the icons. I would suggest that you're asking too much there. :) I can't think of any other application or situation where a window/subwindow/panel resizes itself to accommodate a scrollbar. Usually, the user adjusts the panel/window to accommodate a scrollbar without it blocking out too much. Your attachments panel is too narrow and doesn't leave space for a scroll-bar, if needed. :) -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html TB! v2.0 Beta/1 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changed delete behaviour
Hello Jonathan, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 10:47:03 PM, you wrote: JA It appears to only be marking a message as \Deleted... This can be JA seen by the IMAP trace command: JA C: V00022 UID STORE 11090:11109 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Deleted) JA It's only setting the Deleted flag. Could it be possible to make the JA behavior consistent? Regarding IMAP at least, I prefer the delete operation to just mark \Deleted. I don't really like the idea of having a delete also tag it as read (which it isn't). -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 and IMAP accounts on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayestit plugin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dierk, Saturday, August 9, 2003, 11:28:41 PM, you wrote: DH Hello Sean! DH On Saturday, August 9, 2003 at 9:24:16 PM you wrote: That is one point of using Bayesian, but you can use it anywhere and train it for your own setup. One man's mail, another's spam :) DH Didn't ever doubt it, but as it makes much more sense to filter out DH junk mail before it is sent, and in view of the mails having to be DH stored, Bayesian filters are best used at server level, not at home, DH where much simpler filtering is more than sufficient to kill such DH mails. Given that what one person views as spam is not always the same as another. Most ISPs will not filter 100% of spam out anyway and leave that to us to do with tools like Spampal and Bayesit! :) Sean - -- Fidonet: 2:263/950 ICQ: 679813 Website http://www.tcob1.net THE VIEWS EXPRESSED HERE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF MY WIFE. What If The Hokey Pokey Is Really What It's All About? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQE/NgWkHMnSWn2nApQRAqH1AJ9McbHOebPWDz9px87RqQvs4GHl6ACfeRXD NjBu8psPsYG2bvVA+YMrowE= =pzlr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: adding a folder in v2 beta
Hi Sean, SRT I tried to add a new folder to the v2 beta but it doesn't SRT seem to allow the editing of the expiry field. I suppose, you mean an IMAP folder? If so - this is OK for now. The limits will be used as soon as the conditions are created :-) -- Cheers, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Use your health, even to the point of wearing it out. That is what it is for. Spend all you have before you die; and do not outlive yourself. - George Bernard Shaw pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: inaccurate attachment size display
Hello Samson, Sunday, August 10, 2003, 4:15:19 AM, you wrote: S (Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 on Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 ) MW MW Could this have something to do with it? S That's actually windows server 2003 standard edition. And I don't S think the OS will affect these algorithms :) Thought you may be using something like ReactOS (Windows NT Clone). M -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Testing and Hello
Hello Stefan, Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 7:12:43 PM, you wrote: ST This is actually planned. Technically, there is no problem to use ST multiple connections, but it would increate the Beta testing period ST which is already extremely long :-) Seeing how close to unusable it is for now, I wouldn't mind any longuer beta period. As 2.0 is only at Beta/1, is it important anyway ? :) ST Actually, some tasks are performed in parallel (like getting message ST count) and many tasks may change the current mailbox or cause ST racing, therefore queuing is preferred. Yes but there are many occasions where I see starvation and queuing then means no-reaction as long as longuer running tasks don't complete. ST However, the option to use multiple IMAP connections is added to the ST (new) fine-tune dialogue, but it will stay invisible until the next ST Beta-series. Great. Maybe you are right, maybe the current queuing is a good solution, but on my IMAP account that doesn't look like good enough. I have been using IMAP clients for years. My account is quite complex and heavy, a bit less than 100 folders in a hierarchy. Most folders have a small number of messages (between 50 and 500). Some (but rarely used - archives) have in the order of 2000 to 5000 messages. I'm LAN connected to my IMAP server but polling ALL folders just for counts takes more than a minute. What would you recommend as synchronisation settings ? I have only a few folders where incoming mails are placed by the IMAP server (sorting rules on the server side). So I would like TB *not* to check *each* folder count everytime. It actually only has to monitor 5 or 6 folders for potential new messages. Any new message in another folder would only occur because of a move (which I would have done with TB filters or manually). For now, I have set *all* folders to NO synchonization except those that really receive new messages unattended : I set those to Headers only. I often has the case where on entering a folder I see new messages, but when I click on them they don't display. Each time I see this, the connection centre shows NO connection or a connection apparently hanged on Retrieving status of mailbox x y or z. I'll try to continue TB 2.0 Beta/1 tomorrow in my day work to better test it, but for now, the behaviour makes it very uneasy to reliably check mails. Thanks ! -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 (Only IMAP accounts) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is this possible using pgp 8 plugin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Krister, On 10 Aug 2003 at 20:57:54 +0200 GMT [20:57 CEST] you wrote: KE but ... well... The reason i didn't install Gnupg, is that i'm KE unsure whether it will work at all under Xp Pro Does this answer your question? ;) - -- Cheers, Andre If it's raining, a cute thing to tell a child is 'God is crying.' If they ask why, another cute thing to say is, 'Probably something you did.' ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr1 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/NpzmUmlq1Aq2YdURAja4AJwJWW5ULxD5s8lJUqvlnDQUjdEVfQCeL0WU bczOy7RQ83dBsGEcqk91r8k= =htiX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: message size exceeding feature request
Hello tracer, Monday, August 4, 2003, 7:50:57 AM, you wrote: t If thats the IRC trout there cannot be much left besides the t bones... Yeah, we wore that puppy out a while back. I've got Trout v2.351b right now. Lots of nice new features. + Flipper slap (in addition to the full on slap with the trout, you get the additional humiliation of a backhand flipper to the snoz). + Putrify (+10 damage from retching and gagging) + Slime (+10 humiliation from snotty substance, and it's really hard to wash out of clothing). + Thwack substrate (gives a more resounding THWACK!) + Faster rebound recovery (just in case the roundhouse thwack didn't make it's point, you can quickly reverse for a backhand). - Slimy tail (easier for moderator to wield without losing grip) I've heard through the grapevine that there will be plugin capability for the next release which will support dual headed trouts, boomerang trouting for those long distance attacks, and a celerity increase for the slower moderators out there. ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Where's The Beta
I don't know I go on holiday for two weeks and you all start playing with V2 can anyone share the url where I get it from so I can catch up with the rest of you -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 2.0 B/1 - User question - Message list columns defaults
Hello Greg, Monday, August 11, 2003, 5:10:23 PM, you wrote: GS Open folder properties by selecting the folder and hitting GS Alt+Enter, or right mouse click and choose properties. In GS folder properties select Use the account default column GS settings. Now you have the folder setup to use the account GS default properties. Now while you have the folder that is setup to GS use the default selected and after selecting threaded view (Alt+1) GS right mouse click in the message pane the header bar. This will GS open Setup column. At this point just add or delete columns from GS the selected items and arrange them in the desire order. You GS have just set up the default view for a folder in threaded view. GS IIRC you can do this for the other thread views as well. Indeed, it looks like it works very well. The real trick was to get that by modifying a folder set to *use* the default, you actually *update* the default. Next step : would there be a quick trick to tag all my folders to use the default (got to edit properties of more than 100 folders here) ? -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 and IMAP accounts on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Shortcuts
Hi, while setting up my short cuts i noticed that many shortcuts appear twice or more. If this is a feature the entries should be at least place next to each other. For example New in Main Menu - Message appears as first and last item in the list which is confusing somehow. Enter, Delete and other keys like this are not possible to enter as a shortcut even if they were in the list before. Jan -- __ (..) _.o0( )0o.__ I bought some powdered water, but I don't know what to add to it. (Steven Wright) Message created with The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 Windows XP 5.1-Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+ @ 1.80ghz SOYO SY-KT400 DRAGON Ultra (VIA Chipset) 2x APACER 512mb DDR-RAM PC-226 CL2 ATI Radeon 9700 PRO (128mb RAM) 2x IBM IC35L120AVVA07-0 HD (a 120gb) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Beta Questions/Issues
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:54:01 +0200 Olivier Mascia wrote: OM I see this same behaviour here and reported it to the bug tracker today. OM This is not *always* though. Most messages end up that way in the OM outbox, *some* do send and disappear immediately from the outbox. Mine has been very consistent. They always stay there, marked unread and I manually move them to the Sent Items folder on the server. To move them I cannot drag and drop - I must Ctrl-V to move them. OM In my case though, the Sent folder on the IMAP server is always OM correctly updated with a copy of the sent message. It just will not work for me. I am using Becky today just so that I can be sure of what I am seeing, but I note that my sent items has a three day gap. That should be the time that I was using The Bat! exclusively. Jeff -- Jeffrey A. Shumway Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: headers revealed
Hello Jonathan, At 8:02 PM on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 it seems you posted the following to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to headers revealed: It does, but what I really wonder is why they come up with the headers revealed. Any ideas? It is probably remembering from the last time you selected the virtual folder. Do they stay gone, or do they keep popping up again? I've only seen them come up repeatedly if I set the view for the headers on my last opening of the virtual folder. As soon as I remove it, they go away, and only come back when I request them. What's weird is that de-selecting headers by menu didn't change a thing, i.e. they kept popping up. Since using the shortcut to turn them off, it seems to have stuck. I don't get it. buglet? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.0 Beta/1/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Log panel
Hello TBBETA, when I open TB, the log panel (shift-crtl-L) is empty. POP and SMTP sessions start and end, I always see the last line of the log, and can use the the littel arrow (which mistakenly points down instead of up) to show me previous lines in the log. This is all fine, except that the log panel is empty when I close and re-open TB. The log itself is still there (shift-crtl-A), but nothing is shown the the panel. I would like it better if the panel showed the same as it did before I closed TB, and continued from there. Would anybody second this wish? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Notice in a Dublin dress shop: Wedding gown for all occasions. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: inaccurate attachment size display
Hello Martin, i'm using 2.0b1 now, but the size is still wrong. (Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 on Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 ) -- Best regards, Samsonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, August 7, 2003, 11:20:13 AM, you wrote: MW Hello Samson, MW Thursday, August 7, 2003, 4:45:20 PM, you wrote: S my settings is save attachments in msg body. S i found that 1.63b11 cannot correctly display the attachment size. the S displayed size is always a little bigger than the actual size. for S example, the attachment is shown as 485 bytes in thebat, but when it S is saved to disk, it is only 479 bytes. S fortunetely the file content is correct. S anyway this looks like a bug. S the issue doesn't appear in 1.62r because 1.62r doesn't show file size S of inline attachment at all. MW Can't see this behaviour here - files are the correct size. However, I MW am using TB! 2.0 Beta/1. MW M Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP: The Answered-flag
Hello Jannik, Friday, August 8, 2003, 3:39:09 AM, you wrote: JL Hello tbbeta, JL Apparently, messages answered in TB does not appear as answered when JL seen in other mailers. Could this be fixed please, Stefan? :-) Apparently, the problem is rather that answered messages are not marked as answered in TB - at least not with IMAP-accounts. -- Best regards, Jannikmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Recipient list -Indented in Forward Template
Hello The Bat! - Betalist,
with a big help from Januk Aggarwal, the print template now works fine
with these QT:
,- [ QT: Recipient Driver ]
| %_RL_Num_Space(10)%-
| %SetPattRegexp=^(?s)\s{%_RL_Num_Space}(.*)\Z%-
| %RegExpMatch=%-
| %___%QInclude='Recipient List'
`-
,- [ QT: Recipient List ]
| %REM='
|Recipient List reformatting routine using features from TB 1.63b11
|Written July 2003 by Januk Aggarwal
|
|Notes:
| 1. This template can be used alone to reformat clipboard
| contents or can be used as a reformatting engine by
| assigning text to the variable, %_RL_Text, in the driver
| template.
| 2. Indenting can be specified by defining number of leading
| spaces in %_RL_Num_Space variable.
| '%-
| %-
| %IF:'%_RL_FirstTime'='':'%-
| %___%IF:%_RL_Text=:%_RL_Text(%Clipboard; )%-
| %___%IF:%_RL_Num_Space!=:%-
| %__%SetPattRegexp=(\s{%_RL_Num_Space})%-
| %__%RegExpBlindMatch=
| %-
| %__%_RL_Leading_Space(%SubPatt(1)):%-
| %__%_RL_Leading_Space()%-
| %___%_RL_FirstTime=No'%-
| %-
| %IF:'%_RL_Text'!='':'%-
| %-
| %___%SetPattRegexp=!(?x)
| ^\s* # Strip Leading Spaces
| (# SubPatt 1 - First Item + Delimiter
| ( # SubPatt 2 - First Item
| (\?)# Opening Quotation marks
| (.*?) # SubPatt 4 - Name
| \3 # Closing Quotation marks if opening ones exist
| \s*
| (\.*?\)? # SubPatt 5 - Address
| ) # Close First Item
| \s*[;,]\s* # Delimiter and white space
| )# Close First Item + Delimiter
| (.*) # SubPatt 6 - Remainder of list
| \Z!%-
| %___%RegexpBlindMatch(%_RL_Text)%-
| %-
| %___%_RL_Name_Addr(%SubPatt(2))%-
| %___%_RL_Name(%SubPatt(4))%-
| %___%_RL_Addr(%SubPatt(5))%-
| %___%_RL_Text(%SubPatt(6))%-
| %-
| %___%_RL_Leading_Space%-
| %___%_RL_Name %_RL_Addr
| %-
| %QInclude(Recipient List)'%-
`-
,- [ Print template ]
| -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
| From: %FromName %FromAddr
| Date: %ODate %OTimeLong %IF:'%TOLIST''':'
| To: %_RL_Text=%TOLIST; %QINCLUDE=recipient driver' %IF:'%CCLIST''':'
| Cc: %_RL_Text=%CCLIST; %QINCLUDE=recipient driver' %IF:'%BCCLIST''':'
| Bcc: %_RL_Text=%BCCLIST; %QINCLUDE=recipient driver'
| Subject: %FullSubj
| -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
|
| %text
`-
Now I want the recipient lsit indented even for forwared mails. I've
just merged the print template and the forward template. But the result
is an empty (to, cc, bcc) list. where am I wrong?
--
cheers
Frank
[TheBat! (2.0 Beta/1)] [Windows 2000 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 4]
[Hamster Version: 2.0.2.1] [powered by Intel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512MB RAM]
Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB 2.0 B/1 - Does the text editor can handle alinea ?
Hello, I seem not capable of having the editor understand I would like to indent some text as in : This is text hskjhs ksjhd skjhd skjdh skjhd skjdh skjdh skdjj jkhkjh kjh kjh kjh kjh kjh . If I type the above by first indenting, then typing, it re-acts correctly. But if I first type the paragraph on the left, then want to indent it, I don't find a way to do it. I'm sure I must be missing a trivial trick to do it. Which one ? -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 and IMAP accounts on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Click - should retrieve
Hello TBBETA, I'm rather confused by TB! IMAP operation. When I click on a specific message - I sort of expect to get to see it all. However, the synchronisation options seem to override me. i.e. if I have selected no- sync, then I don;t get to see the full message at all. Again - having just set this up - if this an IMAP config issue? -- Best regards, Graham -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by e-mail and then delete it. -- Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug with 8 bits character encoding
Hello Stefan! On Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 7:00:20 PM you wrote: OE does not support PGP/MIME. However, it supports S/MIME and probably tries to process it as an S/MIME message with all bad consequences. How come most OE/OL users can read my signed messages? We had that once, but I try again: For PGP/MIME *signed* messages it doesn't matter if a client supports it, the message body itself should be readable! And it certainly is for most people. For a probable solution to the problem in question I refer you to the other post I sent to the list (about PGP options). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Ist es nicht seltsam, dass Sprachlosigkeit sich immer in TV-Interviews niederschlägt? (Aleks Papst) Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB 2.0 B/1 - IMAP Account - Deleted messages (not expunged)re-appearing
Hello, I have another strange issue (bug) with some folders. Sometimes, when switching to a folder I previously visited (this happens most with Inbox), the message list re-includes messages I previously (minutes ago) deleted. Sure those deleted messages were not expunged in between by the compress function. As soon as I see such deleted messages re-appearing in the message list, I hit ESC key and they re-disappear again. So TB recognizes the \Deleted messages as such in most cases, but sometimes mistakenly misses them. -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 and IMAP accounts on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1
Hello Marek, On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:49:25 +0200 (05.08.2003 00:49 my local time) you wrote about The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1, at least in part: MM Do You think MyGate or another one? Only MayGate -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD: The ultimate indignity is to be given a bedpan by a stranger who calls you by your first name. Maggie Kuhn Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP: how to get folder structure on the server?
Hello Olivier, first of all thanks for your quick and extensive reply! AL how do I get my IMAP-server to learn my folder structure in TB? AL Is that possible at all? Unless TB contain a specific function to duplicate a POP3 account local folders tree to an IMAP server, you can't. You have to create a new account (an IMAP account), and through this you will see your IMAP folders on the server. Yes, that was the case. But that was also what scared me a little bit - at least in combination with the absence of a button saying something like synchronize server with local Account. :-) When this is done, you can create folders (using TB) on this IMAP tree: they will get created on the server side. Ok. So they will _automatically_ be added to the server as soon as they exist in the (local) IMAP-Account and a connection to the server exists. Good. Then, you should be able to drag drop messages from the POP account folders to corresponding IMAP folders. I tried dragging (copying) folders from the POP-Account to the IMAP-Account but that didn't work, at least I couldn't get it to work. But it indeed does work to copy messages from a POP- to an IMAP-Account, although that doesn' help due to the lack of corresponding folders at the moment... The effect will be to *upload* your current local messages to the corresponding IMAP folders, and this might well not be what you expect (or want for bandwidth reasons). No, I expected that. :-) And bandwidth is (thank whomever) not an issue. It will take years, but... :-) You can duplicate your folder structure, but by hand (creating each IMAP folder using TB). Note that it *might* be possible to drag drop a POP folder to an IMAP account No, at least not for me. Anybody else know a trick? Did I miss anything regarding this issue with beta/2? Very possible... and have TB create the IMAP folder then upload all messages there. Yet, this might not be what you'd like. Again, I would not have a problem with that. :-) I have mine sort incoming messages to various folders. This happens on the server-side as mail arrives, without even needing my TB to be started. The next time I connect, I find the new messages waiting for me as 'unread' in those various folders. Yes, that is exactly what I imagine and exactly how it is done with my current POP-Account - locally. But I want the benefit of server-based Mail (if I need to access my account via Webmail e.g.) which I will get with IMAP. I was simply afraid of having to duplicate my current structure by hand for being able to use IMAP. If that is not necessary, then I'll soon be a very happy TB-IMAP-User! Thanks again for clarifying things, Olivier. bye Alexander Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scrollbar in attachment pane
Hej Thomas, 12. august 2003 00:09 +0700 skrev du: Do you - by any chance - have your Bat in Resize-mode? I think you will see that everything is visible if you maximize TB. No, TB is always maximised, but Allie was right. Other Windows applications handle it the same way as TB. I'll have to live with it. In that case: What layout are you using? I can't reproduce your problem. See the attachment. -- Best regards, Jannik Lindquistattachment: TBattch.JPG Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP versus POP (was: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1)
Hello Thomas, For practical purposes, there are similarities between IMAP and the Message Despatcher, in that you have to download all headers first and then choose which mails to download. I have never used IMAP but it seems to me there isn't that much difference from what you can do with a POP account and Selective Download filters, like I do with one of my (POP) accounts. I don't even use the Dispatcher. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exchange Folders
Hello Graham, Thursday, August 7, 2003, 12:05:39 PM, you wrote: I cannot see how to read / manage the Exchange Personal Public folders using TB! IMAP. Am I missing something? Well, no idea what you did. So did you subscribe also to the public folders? Because normally they are listet like Inbox as Public Folders. If you didn't subscribe to them then click on your mailserver in The Bat with the right mouse button and select Manage IMAP Folders. Then subscribe to all Public Folders which you are interested in. And afterwards you can use them like a normal folder. The main IMAP account is quota restricted, so Personal Public folders are used to long term store data here. Exactly. Here is working fine. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incoming Filters v2b1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SH I understand that auto filtering of incoming messages doesn't work in SH v2. Does that mean that you all manually refilter? Hellooo!?!?!??! - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... There isn't enough chocolate in my diet. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPzN/E9ttnLhkydF1EQLUXQCeNBEJX60UGoqAMDjnsQesTPBNIsgAn1lf 8oiT4bum1diVUUf+lY6pKhTM =oDOl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(no subject)
Hello Thomas, Top Level Domain or the like. Figured it out I think. LOL. Thanks. -- Best regards, Dennis W. Greer Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. - Why be politically correct when you can be RIGHT? The Human Race using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP versus POP
Hallo Olivier, Op een Tuesday, August 12, 2003 om 2:34:02 PM schreef jij over IMAP versus POP: OM I hope this will be enough for RITLabs to get a closer look to the OM protocol handling (maybe not fully buffered and maybe not ready for OM getting big bursts of data back from the server at some protocol OM stage) and fix it for Beta/2 or 3. the advantage of IMAP over POP is that I get your message 7 times? Great... IMAP should be forbidden. I'll POP till I drop! :-)) -=/ Rubeo /=- http://rubeo.nl/ Either this guy's dead or my watch has stopped. The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 [35099577], running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 2.0 B/1 - IMAP Account - Deleted messages (not expunged)re-appearing
On Monday, August 11, 2003, Olivier Mascia wrote... So TB recognizes the \Deleted messages as such in most cases, but sometimes mistakenly misses them. It should recognise them... they aren't any different from before, just a new flag. I've noticed the same thing, but it seems to be a timing thing on larger folders, if I delete a whole bunch, swap out, then back in again, it takes a bit to refresh the folder list. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: an option to turn off the function that looks at THEBAT.IPCevery ten seconds?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R is it possible to have this optional? I think you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that this feature is one that is causing no one any problems and probably annoying only one person (you). Subsequently, given the number of pressing matters the developers have to deal with as well as the stuff that tens or even hundreds of users want to see put it, you may have to just live with it. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPzuWk9ttnLhkydF1EQKF7wCdFf/xwG6in8kV60ECCxujQwJFE5YAoONr 9aLVpNifAKOa5xGXrrsQ4C4k =vamV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP/MIME sig
Dear Thomas, TF Thanks. I'm too lazy to write a bug report. Stefan, would you kindly TF take note? :-) Actually, the signature must be checked each time message is loaded - it's a security measure in case somebody changes the message base content -- Cheers, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...E-mail returned to sender -- insufficient voltage. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP versus POP
On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 8:49 AM, you wrote: SH You're going to get shouted at if you keep quoting like that. SH - -- SH Stuart well, I DID mention that I WAS quoting the entire text on purpose. I should have quoted just the first and last line, but it is early in the morning, the coffee hasn't taken affect yet:) sorry! -- Paul How long is a minute depends on which side of the bathroom door you are on. Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP versus POP
Hello Jonathan, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, you wrote: TOP 5 0 will retrieve only the headers of message #5. Credits go to Pit Palme. I know... I pointed out that command in my postings... Also note that it's OPTIONAL in the RFC, which means the server doesn't have to support it... so in the event it does support it... what happens? I see TB using it, as one would expect... -- Andy Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP versus POP (was: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1)
Hello Jonathan, On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:30:55 -0500 (12.08.2003 11:30 my local time) you wrote about IMAP versus POP (was: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1), at least in part: JA Unfortunately with the Message Dispatcher, and a POP account, the JA dispatcher has to fetch the whole body (IIRC). No, by default Dispatcher get _only_ headers, but you _can_ configure download first lines of message JA I don't think POP3 RFCs allow for partial fetches of emails. The JA closest to it is the optional TOP command. Which _do_ this thing exactly - only part of message really TOP'ed -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD: It is only possible to live happily ever after on a day-to-day basis. Margaret Bonnano Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP versus POP (was: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1)
Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night] Jonathan, JA TOP is an optional command, so if the POP3 server doesn't support it, JA does that mean that the message dispatcher doesn't work the way you JA are suggesting? Well, as my experience shows, ALL servers support this optional command. :-) Some still have problems with UIDL, but all allow TOPping :-) -- Regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Here's to all the kisses I've snatched, and vice versa... pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP versus POP
Hi Jonathan, @12-Aug-2003, 23:19 -0500 (05:19 UK time) Jonathan Angliss said: TOP 5 0 will retrieve only the headers of message #5. Credits go to Pit Palme. I know... I pointed out that command in my postings... Also note that it's OPTIONAL in the RFC, which means the server doesn't have to support it... so in the event it does support it... what happens? As Stefan wrote, he is yet to find a POP server that *doesn't* support it, so it seems that the optional bit is purely academic. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.0 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to renew an S/MIME certificate?
Hello Leif, Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 6:16:12 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): Save the attached .p7s file, then from the certificate manager window in TB, choose import and select the .p7s file. Thank you for the reply. It worked just as you said. -- Best regards, Costasmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Quarantine Folders with NOD32 ver. 2
It seems that, with NOD version 2, there's no usefulness to my TB! quarantine folders. Is that correct? -- JN Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP versus POP
On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... JA the dispatcher has to fetch the whole body (IIRC). ... Of course, JA I can be corrected on this, ... Then kneel, sir, while I correct thee ;-). *kneels* The dispatcher only gets the headers. How? What function performs that? There is no POP3 function that can be used to return just the headers. So I can only conclude that it is really downloading all the mail, but only keeping the parts it needs. I calculated that if your incoming mail is at least 25% spam, or if you will only ever do a download of 75% (or less) of the messages on the server, then selective download or vetting with the dispatcher is worthwhile. Anything more than that is a waste of bandwidth. Here's my original treatise on the topic (particularly with reference to Selective download, although it applies equally to the Dispatcher and IMAP). Aha... see... you reference IMAP here... however with IMAP, there are functions to just retrieve certain parts of the message. How does that same feature work for POP3? -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Lifting Shadows Off a Dream Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - Not displayed folders when starting with a _
Hello Martin, Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 5:04:48 PM, you wrote: MS I want to report a bug. Please check if you can confirm. MS When I have folders starting with an underscore (_) then these MS folders are not displayed when using Manage the IMAP account. MS That means I can't subscribe that folders and by consequence not MS access them. When I rename the folders with another leading MS character (e.g. ) then they are displayed. MS This I tested with an Exchange 2000 server. I can't confirm this. I have a number of folders starting (and ending) with _ and some with double _. They all display in TB in the folder lists and in the Manage Folders window. I can unsubscribe or subscribe any of these without any issue. In fact, when I switched to TB 2.0 to test its IMAP support I would have seen immediately a problem there, if there was. As some of these _ folders are those I use most (_ in front to have them sort before others). My IMAP server is MDaemon Pro 6.8.5 from Alt-N (http://www.altn.com). -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 and IMAP accounts on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP - Not displayed folders when starting with a _
Hello folks, I want to report a bug. Please check if you can confirm. When I have folders starting with an underscore (_) then these folders are not displayed when using Manage the IMAP account. That means I can't subscribe that folders and by consequence not access them. When I rename the folders with another leading character (e.g. ) then they are displayed. This I tested with an Exchange 2000 server. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - Not displayed folders when starting with a _
Hello Olivier, Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 6:42:13 PM, you wrote: MS This I tested with an Exchange 2000 server. I can't confirm this. Okay, so I tried now with Web.de and there I also don't have that problem. So what I will do tomorrow is to check again in the office with Exchange. In case it still won't work so maybe there is an issue with Exchange 2000. I will tell you tomorrow (or maybe someone can test if he also has an Exchange 2000 accessible)... -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 and Unicode
Hi all. I've just tried The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 and it still lacks unicode support. Will it be introduced in release version? -- Edvinas Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP: how to get folder structure on the server?
Hello Olivier, Would you, by any chance, have physical access to your IMAP server folders ? I mean, not through IMAP but through file-system ? I remember that years ago when I moved from a complex set of local (POP) messages to my IMAP server, I managed to export the messages in files (one per message) and could move those files to the IMAP server. That server is nice enough to detect messages dropped in its directories one the basis of one file - one message and to get on from there, converting them to whatever local storage / structure it requires. This helped me literally move full tree of local folders to the IMAP server. No, I don't have access of that kind. But that's an interesting idea! I might be able to do that on another server, though, to make it at least easier for other people. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again, bye Alexander Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1
On Sunday, August 10, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote... [..] Dial-Up users don't usually use IMAP, but they might want a news reader. I have no data saying which TLDs prevail among TB users. [..] Out of curiosity, why do you say dial-up users don't usual use IMAP? IMAP is a lot more bandwidth friendly, similar to NNTP services, you can set it to get just the parts you need (usually just major headers) before fetching the whole body... allowing you to quickly identify the importance of a mail, delete spam, and fetch the mails you really want. I was originally forced to use POP3 over a dial-up because my old provider didn't offer IMAP. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP versus POP
Hello Jonathan, On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:30:55 -0500 GMT (12/08/2003, 12:30 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: No, let me download my mail (server-side spam filtering is appreciated), disconnect, and *then* think about which messages I want to read or delete. I'm under no pressure while making my decisions, as the clock is not ticking. ;-) If you're using true UID supported servers... clock isn't ticking for IMAP either really... you can fetch the headers, disconnect, browse the headers in the folders, decide which ones to fetch, reconnect, start fetching them, go make your coffee ;) You suggest I download the headers from the server, disconnect from the internet, browse and choose, then dial up to the internet again (which not only costs me another 3 Baht/per phone call, but also often has problems, as I often do not get in on first attempt), and then download the messages? And that is easier than POP? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Um zu antworten, bitte die From-Zeile mit ROT13 bearbeiten. Danach mit MD5 hashen, zeichenweise den ASCII-Code um 2 erhoehen (mod 57) und erneut um 63 erhoehen. Dann mit der urspruenglichen Adresse x-oren. Schliesslich am Ergebnis erfreuen und so antworten wie gewohnt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1
Hello Jonathan, On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:16:42 -0500 (12.08.2003 09:16 my local time) you wrote about The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1, at least in part: JA Out of curiosity, why do you say dial-up users don't usual use IMAP? Yes JA IMAP is a lot more bandwidth friendly, But it's time hog... And dialup'ers have to pay for time online, not for traffic -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD: Sometimes I worry about being a success in a mediocre world. Lily Tomlin Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sent Items Drafts
Fellow Bat Lovers Using V2 I am struggling to get it to use my IMAP sent Items and Drafts folders. Does anyone have any recommendations i.e what to put in root folder setting etc. I am a fastmail.fm IMAP user -- From, Squabsy Written at 23:12 on 12/08/03 Pure E-mail with The Bat!v2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Browsing with Opera 7b2 build 2577 Sun Java 1.4 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Marking messages as read - doesn't
Hello TBBETA, Selecting Cntrl M Mark all messages as read marks them as read in TB!, but NOT on the IMAP server... even after an explicit sync, and exit / restart of TB! -- Best regards, Graham -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by e-mail and then delete it. -- Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Impossible to delete installed plugins...
Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night] Alexey, ANV Via Options...Preferences...plugins it is impossible to ANV delete any installed plugins. It seems like the button delete ANV simple not work at all. Another empty function. :-) Fixed... -- Regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...A Macintosh a day keeps Apple Happy and Rich! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Threaded folders, threads don't expand on new messages ?
Hello Chris, Thursday, August 7, 2003, 12:37:00 AM, you wrote: Sure I can press * or even ctrl-*, but I thought there should be some setting somewhere to have it do it automatically. Couldn't find. Is this a bug or a missing feature ? CW Missing feature that I have given up asking for after many fruitless CW attempts! Besides, I don't get the difference between using '*' or '+'. I expected '+' to expand one level. And I expected '*' to expand the full current thread (as ctrl-'*' does it for *all* threads). But '*' has the same 'just one level' behaviour as '+'... Bug in this beta 2.0 or something else ? -- Best regards, Olivier Mascia The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 (Only IMAP accounts) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Thailand? (Was: Re: Recent (was: A giant step for mankind))
Hello, Thomas. On Thursday, August 7, 2003, 9:55:37 AM, you wrote: due to the internet speed I get in Thailand, IMAP is impractical for me. Thomas, since when have you been in Thailand? Weren't you in Taiwan? Any contact with tracer over there? -- Keith Russell Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP full support v2.0beta/1 ?
Hello Martin, MS I tried it - the old messages on the server could be downloaded - but MS new incoming messages not. When I connect to the server nothing MS happens... This is because of the misunderstanding of IMAP caused by its previous implementation. :-) Primarily, IMAP is a way to keep and manage mail right on the server. For off-line usage, you can synchronise your local folders with IMAP - look at the folder properties for ways you can use. So, check mail for IMAP actually means synchronise all folders you wish to synchronise. -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm. - Ralph Waldo Emerson pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: headers revealed
CTRL SHIFT K When you have the virtual folder selected... See if that makes them go away again. It does, but what I really wonder is why they come up with the headers revealed. Any ideas? It is probably remembering from the last time you selected the virtual folder. Do they stay gone, or do they keep popping up again? I've only seen them come up repeatedly if I set the view for the headers on my last opening of the virtual folder. As soon as I remove it, they go away, and only come back when I request them. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current beta is 2.0b1 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
