Re: V3.0.0.3 Selective Download filter concerns / default settings too aggressive
Hi Sean, Friday, September 3, 2004, 8:48:59 AM, you wrote: My existing selective download filters came across the OFS into the NFS as complete garbage ... I had to delete them but they didn't kill all messages. I recreated them (they checked for certain strings to kill mails to certain email addresses) but they just don't work ! This is a known issue and is being worked on already. Selective Download filters here are a bit of a problem as well: Most of my SD-filters should load filterstrings from files (eg kill-header.txt, kill-subject.txt ...) and should then kill the mail if it contains any of the filter strings. Well, they just don't. I haven't tried to type some 1000 filterstrings right into the NFS, and I hope the next version will fix that problem. I'm using WinXP SP2. -- best regards, Peter Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update Student - Pro
Hello Carsten! Yesterday (on 09/03/2004 at 21:10) you dropped the lines: Can anyone tell me, how a student can upgrade to a Pro version? I found only a upgrade link for an update for students - but what will receive students, if they upgrade? Home or Pro? No ideas Ritlabs? A few users are asking for it. They want to update. -- Bye, Carsten www.batworld.de www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Filters in V3
G'day tbbeta, After installing v3, my filters are a bit of a mess. Some work, some don't - a real pain. (None of them are very complex, so it's weird.) And most of them should be common filters rather than tied to either account, so they need to be moved. And thanks to this list, I've discovered the sub-filters. As my filters are buggered, what's the easiest way to kill them all and start from scratch? Is there a file I can delete? (Gets rid of any trace of the dud ones that way...) -- cheers, Mic (return address works) Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at maths. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filters in V3
Hello M! Just now (on 09/04/2004 at 11:33) you elaborated: Some work, some don't - a real pain. (None of them are very complex, so it's weird.) All i can say: Confirmed. -- Adios, Carsten www.batworld.de www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filters in V3
Hello M, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 11:33:06 AM, you wrote: MicCullen As my filters are buggered, what's the easiest MicCullen way to kill them all and start MicCullen from scratch? Is there a file I can delete? MicCullen (Gets rid of any trace of the dud MicCullen ones that way...) i had to change target source to target header for some of my filters to work properly in 3.0 -- Best regards, Krzysztofmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat 3.0 @ Windows XP 5.1 2600 Dodatek Service Pack. 1 pgpTDOT9DBQ8P.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
creating filters in mail ticker doesn't work right
I just blew away all my old filters and started fresh. I did that to get RID of LOTS of old filters in the wrong accounts. What I just found out was that when I read mail using the MT ( mail ticker), and use the Specials-create filter menu, it creates the filters in the wrong accounts. I thought I had noticed this behavior before, but could never get a handle on it. That's why I have so many filters in so many accounts that do nothing! -- Paul Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0436-4 (03.09.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: spLit mode
A Bat-fellow, Thomas Fernandez, wrote on Saturday, 4th September 2004 at 12:05:55 (GMT +0700), which was 7:05 a.m. in Bratislava -- I find myself not using the Unread tab any more, because switching the split mode causes too much trouble: I have to adjust the pane width and height every time. It would be very useful if TB could remember the settings. Yes, this is an ancient bug. I remember our having vainly requested a correction of this bug sometime in 2000 or 2001. Back then our phenomenal ex-moderator, Allie Martin, through a herculean effort managed to persuade Ritlabs to make the position of the preview-window to be remembered between your toggling it on and off. That setting used to return to default, too, back then! (And it still returns to default in current versions if you accidentaly exit TB with the preview window toggled off.) What effort will it take for users to persuade Ritlabs to remove the ancient return-to-default split modes bug? -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 amd athlon 2400 mhz 704 mb ram] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS Test. (Last one, I promise)
Howdy MAU, Friday, September 3, 2004, 7:37:32 PM, MAU wrotened: M Hello all, hello -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 In every organization, there will always be one person who knows what's going on. This person must be fired. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: spLit mode
Hello all, Saturday, September 4, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find myself not using the Unread tab any more, because switching the split mode causes too much trouble: I have to adjust the pane width and height every time. It would be very useful if TB could remember the settings. Yes, this is an ancient bug. I remember our having vainly requested a correction of this bug sometime in 2000 or 2001. Back then our phenomenal ex-moderator, Allie Martin, through a herculean effort managed to persuade Ritlabs to make the position of the preview-window to be remembered between your toggling it on and off. That setting used to return to default, too, back then! So, this report is waiting for another comments :-) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3000 (And it still returns to default in current versions if you accidentaly exit TB with the preview window toggled off.) What effort will it take for users to persuade Ritlabs to remove the ancient return-to-default split modes bug? I can confirm this, but Avenarius, why didn't You reported this one already? How can be something fixed, if nobody reports it? :-( -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.0.0 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filters in V3
Hello M, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 11:33:06 AM, you wrote: MicCullen After installing v3, my filters are a bit of a mess. Did you delete/zip/move your account.srb files before upgrading? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.0 MyMacros 1.11 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 3:57:4) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: spLit mode
A Bat-fellow, Marek Mikus, wrote on Saturday, 4th September 2004 at 12:40:05 (GMT +0200), which was ditto in Bratislava -- So, this report is waiting for another comments :-) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3000 OK, I have just entered my comment: Stef, what about dialog question for example Do You want to use previous pane positions? (No will change positions to default)? Even a dialog question is too much of a hassle. It would be great to be able to switch split view modes on-the-fly. Should anyone wish to restore the pane positions to default values, that improbable option should be made available from a sub-menu somewhere or in the general Preferences dialog. But as it is right now, the switching of Split Modes is simply impossible because they always return to the same undesirable default positions. You just have to stick with the one split mode you prefer. In my case, it's a buggy Split Mode: whole-width message-list, where toggling the preview window off leaves you staring at blank space across most of your screen, instead of at a more extensive message list. (The only reason why you would want to toggle the preview window off in the first place!) This is the reason why we need workable Split-Modes, i.e. the ability to switch between various Split Modes effortlessly, on-the-fly. I and others requested this possibility on the mailing lists back in 2000 or 2001 when there wasn't even a Bug-Tracker yet. If Ritlabs incorporated this small fix, that alone would make it worth upgrading to Version3 for me! Thanks. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 amd athlon 2400 mhz 704 mb ram] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: spLit mode
Hello Marek, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:40:05 +0200 GMT (04/09/2004, 17:40 +0700 GMT), Marek Mikus wrote: It would be very useful if TB could remember the settings. Yes, this is an ancient bug. MM So, this report is waiting for another comments :-) MM https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3000 I just added a bugnote there as well. -- Cheers, Thomas. SYMPTOM: Beer unusually pale and tasteless. FAULT: Glass empty. ACTION: Get someone to buy you another beer. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: spLit mode
Marek Mikus, [MM] wrote: I can confirm this, but Avenarius, why didn't You reported this one already? How can be something fixed, if nobody reports it? :-( ... on bugtraq or on TBBETA? -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . One way to stop a run away horse is to bet on him. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Test
Testing my NFS tbbeta filters, please ignore. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update Student - Pro
Hello Carsten, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Carsten mused about Update Student - Pro (at least in part): CK Hello Carsten! CK Yesterday (on 09/03/2004 at 21:10) you dropped the lines: Can anyone tell me, how a student can upgrade to a Pro version? I found only a upgrade link for an update for students - but what will receive students, if they upgrade? Home or Pro? CK No ideas Ritlabs? A few users are asking for it. They want to update. Student keys are universal. They work in Pro and Home -- __ __ _ __ | \/ (_) ___| |__ __ _ ___| | | |\/| | |/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ _ \ | | | | | | (__| | | | (_| | __/ | |_| |_|_|\___|_| |_|\__,_|\___|_| :einsteinyoyo: Join the new The Bat! Group - play around with The Bat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.01) Total Spam Emails: 63 Total Clean Emails: 11 BayesIT guessed right 99.936508% of the time My email is 85.135135% spam = Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Cut mark
Hello MAU, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 11:23:02 AM, MAU wrote: M Using The Bat! v4.123 Beta/Umpteen Satire? -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.0 QTs - Can't edit or add.
Hello Leif, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 11:19:12 AM, you wrote: L Hmmm. I went to modify a couple of QTs and when I click edit, TB L hangs and I have to kill it from Task Manager. The same for Add. I L can delete QTs just fine though. Just an update... It's not a corrupted ACCOUNT.QTN file as I copied the one over from my desktop and it read it just fine. I still can't add or edit. Will probably reinstall TB to see what happens. -- __ ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Support the Right to Keep and Arm Bears! Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.0 QTs - Can't edit or add.
Leif Gregory, [LG] wrote: Will probably reinstall TB to see what happens. That'd probably be a good idea sine I can't confirm the problem either. Seems to be a problem with your installation or some bizarre software interaction. -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . Fife. n. Small shrill instrument that rhymes with wife. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update Student - Pro
Hi Michael! Just now (on 09/04/2004 at 21:42) you meant: Student keys are universal. They work in Pro and Home Sure? -- Bye Bye, Carsten www.batworld.de www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update Student - Pro
Hello Michael! Just now (on 09/04/2004 at 21:42) you meant: Student keys are universal. They work in Pro and Home Sorry for Double post: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php If i click on student, i will only see a site where to buy a home version -- Adios, Carsten www.batworld.de www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello Krzysztof, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 18:58 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't tried exactly that yet. But following my logic the copy/move _should_ do nothing. Wouldn't that be much easier for everyone to follow and understand? Why should I be forced to flag a message before moving, when it can as well be done after that? There's no confusion here. I agree with this! I also see nothing bad in a filter that has two move actions -- the message would be moved twice and end up in a B folder. I agree with this! I can also imagine a practical reason to do that. I can't imagine - can you give me a reasion? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello Alexander, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 19:32 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Park the message, and then _copy_ it to folder a Try to _move_ add write additional note log Message parked, thus - copied if move action impossible Can't understand you. Should this happen or does it? I can reproduce it. and at last flag it. Expected result: The message is parked in inbox, and a parked and flagged copy is in folder a. No... Yes... They are now two different objects, Are or should be? There is only one! and parking is attribute of inbox-message, not folder_a-message ? At least _this_ be awaited behavior But read what I wrote: Real result: The message is parked and flagged in the folder a For expected you results action (I think) must be 4.- Park Message Flag Message Move message to folder A Park Message No. My expected result can only work with a copy action, because 9Val: if filter has parked message it continue execution like it wasn't parked and as result you'll get parked message in destination folder -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello Krzysztof, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 18:45 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyway, would you think that would be easier to understand for any user? Of course. I failed to understand the logic in the four variants you described in your initial post. I believe actions should, no, MUST be carried out even if the message is moved. Agree with you! And actually no moving should be done after parking. If wish 06 (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) is realized I'll agree ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello MAU, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 14:30 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Since there can be a lot of copy actions, for which order is important. I think you may be wrong here. If you consider _only_ the copy actions (i.e. I want to copy a message to folders A, B and C), what different does it make in which order they are copied? No one - and so it should be copied in the order. Because: The order _does_make_ a difference if there are some other actions (like flagging a message, for example) in between a copy and the next. Thats why 9Val wrote there can be a lot of copy action, for which order is important. only the message in B should appear as flagged, not in A. Will you agree to that? Of course. This is why I would say that *only_one_move_action* should be allowed in a filter. Why this limitation? It might be ther exist a reason to have several move actions. I could expand a bit considering if perhaps other actions should also be greyed out on the list when the move one is, but I will not do so now. Delete message and delete message from server maybe - but again: Why this limitation? That is, the move should _delete_ the message from the source folder (i.e. make it unavailable for further actions on the message) Yes, it should be delete from source folder but NOT make it unavailable for further actions. This would be a senseless limitation! As you self wrote: There are actions that can be perfectly be executed after the move is done, like for example playing a sound or sending some kind of auto-reply, etc. What if the user adds an impossible action after the move one and leaves it there? There is no impossible action, because all actions are allowed because the message could be tracked without any problem! -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello MAU, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 16:04 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The big question is: If the actions in a filter are, and should be, executed in the order they are listed. Answer is: Yes, the should be executed in the order they are listed. snipped Thanks for replying :) No problem. You are a great beta-tester, so why not reply? I think I have covered most of what I would reply to your comments in my (lengthy?) replies to 9Val. Let me know if not. Sorry, but you don't. To 9Val you explained why you think that - there should be only one move filter - there should some actions don't work after a move filter - some other things which I agree :-) You see, I don't agree with your first two points - but I explained that on direct reply. But you didn't comment this one: Park Message Move message to folder A Flag Message Problem: How to filter a parked message? 1. Move it and leave it parked 2. Move it and unpark it 3. Don't move it 4. Copy it and leave it parked 5. Copy it and unpark it TheBat! accutally seems to do the 4. possibility - but I think it would be good if user could define how it should work (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wish 06) Nevertheless: TheBat! Copy it and leave it parked so we would expect: Park the message, and then _copy_ it to folder a and at last flag it. Expected result: The message is parked in inbox, and a parked and flagged copy is in folder a. Real result: The message is parked and flagged in the folder a. Bug: TheBat! doesn't execute in the order here. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello MAU, Sure, that other actions are important too, but most effective filtering is filtering to other folders. M Of course they are important. These actions may mean delivering the M original message but with some modifications made to it prior to M delivering. But I disagree with you this time on choosing the word M effective. My point was that there are a lot of actions (setting priority, setting color group, changing read status) which make 'visual' filtration in one folder, but it is not so effective like separation of messages M I will understand it that you want to insist on the fact M that the main purpose in filtering is to deliver messages to folders. I started from that :) M If NFS isn't supposed to work this way, what is the need for ordering M actions and what's the use of the Up and Down buttons? Since there can be a lot of copy actions, for which order is important. M I think you may be wrong here. If you consider _only_ the copy actions No, I'm clever enough to understand that just copy actions don't make the weather :) M Copy to A M Flag message M Copy to B M only the message in B should appear as flagged, not in A. Will you agree M to that? Sure M This is why I would say that *only_one_move_action* should be allowed in M a filter. It is closer to truth :) and sounds like suggestion, well, will be done Why? Moving doesn't makes duplicates and message could be tracked without any problem. M I have actually replied to that I think. There should only be one move M action. If the user wants more c_o_p_i_e_s, he should use the copy M action. I talked about any other action like parking message. I don't understand why do you think that after moving it has no sence in other operation while message is still accessible? M Would this mean that the user should be spied on and not allowed to M add any actions after the move? No, not all. There are actions that can M be perfectly be executed after the move is done, like for example M playing a sound or sending some kind of auto-reply, etc. Also, the user M may want to add an action (which can only be added at the end, BTW) that M he has forgot and then move it up to where it should be. Why? If there is no copies order shouldn't play a big role and adding actions can be more intuitive - no add+adjust position, just add M What if the user adds an impossible action after the move one and M leaves it there? Example of such 'impossible' action? -- 9Val Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello Boris, The way TB! handles park message now is quite simple: 1. if message was parked before filter execution, it wouldn't be moved 2. if filter has parked message it continue execution like it wasn't parked and as result you'll get parked message in destination folder BA Indeed, so is it, and I think this is a bug. Because nobody expect BA that there is a difference between message is parked before filter BA execution and message is parked from filter execution. Reasons: 1. it is more compatible with old filtering system BA Hm? Why? The answer to both questions is quite simple. Remember old filters. If you had a filter with destination folder and with 'mark parked' checked you never had care about when TB! will actually park the message. It is more natural way - order shouldn't be critical if there is no copy (or other actions which need exact message state). User shouldn't think about the order and he wouldn't do it in simple filter with one move and some any-flag-modify actions -- 9Val Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.0 QTs - Can't edit or add.
Hello Leif, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 22:27 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just an update... It's not a corrupted ACCOUNT.QTN file But maybe you have no access to it? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: some selective download filters not functioning
Hello Peter, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 8:28:14 PM, among other things, you wrote: PA Hi everyone, PA Some of my selective download filters stopped working in TB! v3: PA Signal strings can no longer be loaded from file. (I had text files of PA unwanted subjects, senders etc) PA Also the contains none of condition seems not to work: I have a PA selective download filter for my most spammed account killing mails, PA where my email address does not appear in the header: PA recipient contains none of my aliases for that account PA Sadly it does not work. Anyone confirming - or better still - offering PA a solution (other than waiting for an update)? I have SD filters like those you describe and they are working. I share an e-mail account and the filter is ignoring my partner's mail OK. My filter with spam 'strings' is also killing messages OK. I haven't activated bayesit via the selective.txt file yet. I notice it contains numerous duplicates and I assume therefore that it is not working optimally at the moment. Hopefully one of the later v.0.6.? will allow editing which will stick. It looks as though you have a local problem with your filters. Did you remove ALL the .srb files before you installed v3.0 ? Good luck! -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.0, and antispam BayesIt! 0.5.11 on Windows ME, version 3000, Build 90 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
TheBat! 3.0.0.6 Post Release is now available
Hello All, TheBat! 3.0.0.6 Post Release is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb3006.rar Here is short list of changes: [-] NFS : Hotkeys were used by filters only after program restart [-] NFS : Switching filters wasn't redrawed folder list [-] NFS : 'Play sound' options fixes [-] NFS : 'Create filter' from ticker operates with account of selected msg [-] NFS : minor fixes [-] NFS : editing problems [-] IMAP: minor fixes [-] NFS : auto-creation of $known$ [-] NFS : IsActive/Send options copied wrong sometimes [-] NFS : selective download filters by default ignore [-] NFS : minor fixes [+] NFS : subtree copy/paste [+] NFS : folder watching [-] NFS : Sent filter with deletion wasn't worked [-] NFS : 'Message source' condition troubles [-] NFS : always created .srx files [-] NFS : new accounts used wrong filters [-] NFS : OK/Help buttons out of screen using large fonts [-] NFS : folder selector out of window [-] NFS : Icon in 'Create filter' not in place [-] IMAP: Memory leaks [-] NFS : minor fixes [-] (#973) Editor Window: in plain text editor when clicking on the external links, like - telnet://, etc open 2 windows instead of one [-] The Bat! didn't generate S/MIME self-signed certificates in Internal Implementation - it did prompt for the hardware token [-] (#0003301) PlugIn doesn't work, if it is in TheBat! home dir [-] (#808) Token Editor Form - buttons were too narrow [-] (#0001657) Ctrl+A doesn't work in Account's and Folder's Template Editor [-] (#740) When changing Account's home directory - Desktop can be selected but could not be used. [-] (#452) Moving address from To field to CC field via TAddressSelector dialog then forcefully add a selected item to the TO list [-] (#561) The same address book file could have been added twice [-] (#0002723) Help/faq page should point to the localized faq page -- 9Val Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Fwd: Re: [Courier-imap] blank message problem
This is a forwarded message From: Sam Varshavchik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:23:36 AM Subject: [Courier-imap] blank message problem ===8==Original message text=== Karolis writes: clients. This problem referred to as blank message problem and some users consider it to be MS Outlook Express bug. Yes, it is. I have also found out that TheBat! client is also unable to retrieve blank messages from courier-pop3d. Sloppy Windows programming is very common. quit +OK Bye-bye. Connection closed by foreign host. As you can see, there is no newline after the headers. As you can also see, the POP3 server is functioning properly, and sending the proper responses to all POP3 commands, and is not disconnecting. The error message from Outlook Express claiming that the server disconnected is a blatant lie. I am not POP3 guru and I am not sure if newline character is required after the headers, It is, however it is not the POP3 server's problem that a message is corrupted. A POP3 server's function is limited to producing the contents of a given message, upon request. The server does not parse the message in any way. I tried to retrieve messages using Thunderbird on FC2, it worked just fine. I am sure most of you will blame TheBat or OUtlook Express, but the fact is: these are most popular Windows clients. I would like to have my mail server working good with them. The fact that something may be a popular bit of software does not obligate everyone else to bend themselves over, working around that software's sloppy programming. ===8===End of original message text=== Who's Karolis? I assume he/she is on this list, too? If so, I'd like to start a conversation with you off-list. -- Regards, Charles. pgpdISauMZ6cW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
How to filter this group in NFS?
Hello, tbbeta. ,- [ this is from the group notification ] | Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for Strings Location | Presence Reply-to:.*TBBETA@ Kludges Yes Options: Regular | expressions (Checked). `- Unfortunately this rule (which uses regexp) wasn't converted into NFS properly. I've tried to recreate it manually but without success... there are too many looking like conditions and no one works properly. Can anybody suggest how the new rule for the letters from this list must be according to NFS? And also: may be it is a time to upgrade the group incoming/notify text according to the NFS? -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.6.01 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: How to filter this group in NFS?
Dear Alexey, @5-Sep-2004, 10:27 +0900 (05-Sep 02:27 UK time) Alexey N. Vinogradov [ANV] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ANV And also: may be it is a time to upgrade the group incoming/notify text ANV according to the NFS? I have them in edit buffers right now!! ;-) -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.0 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpwDIq1Nj7YZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Test
On Sunday, September 5, 2004 @ 7:10:45 AM, Lars Sölter wrote: [snips] Lars Test Same here - I'm writing a message about filters, so I want to see what it does with this one from me... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Never test the depth of the water with both feet. Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Invalid HTML error again (was: Re: TheBat! 3.0.0.6 Post Release is now available)
Zeynel A. Öztürk, [ZA] wrote: I received several invalid HTML errors with this version :(. These weren't exist on 3.0. Yeah. It took some doing to get back to the previous version. A repair msi installation didn't work. I eventually opened the .msi file in WinRAR, saw the excecutable listed and attempted copying it across. This aborted with an error. I tried starting TB! and got an error about the executable not being a valid Win32 file. I then repeated the .msi installation and finally I'm back to v3.0. So it would seem that if you wish to roll back to the .msi install version, then delete or rename the 3.0.0.6 executable and then do a repair install of the .msi release. -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . IBM: I Buy Macinstosh Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Filter weirdness (Solved this bit at least)
G'day all, Having what I think are weird problems with the NFS using sub-filters. Not saying it's The Bat, it could be me. [delete a couple of hours work] OK, I've figured it out. I setup the sub-filters as below. The Filter structure - in Common filters - is: Incoming messages Other The Bat TBBETA - Juice TBUDL - Juice TBBETA TBUDL Design aim: Move MY posts to the TBBETA folder, mark read, park Move MY posts to the TBUDL folder, mark read, park Move TBBETA posts to the TBBETA folder Move TBUDL posts to the TBBETA folder What I did was: Create TBBETA - Juice filter Copy TBBETA - Juice filter, change parameters to be TBUDL - Juice filter Create TBBETA filter Copy TBBETA filter, change parameters to be TBUDL filter It wouldn't work. The TBBETA filters did, but not the TBUDL filters. How I got it to work? Deleted the TBUDL filters, and created then from scratch. No problems. sigh Hopefully this will help someone else. -- cheers, Mic (return address works) When you do the wrong thing, knowing it is wrong, you do so because you haven't developed the habit of effectively controlling or neutralizing strong inner urges that tempt you, or because you have established the wrong habits and don't know how to eliminate them effectively. W. Clement Stone Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
On Sunday, September 5, 2004 @ 6:17:48 AM, MAU wrote: [snips] MAU 1 - My first program is: MAU Fill your cup with coffee MAU Now drink it MAU Now put 2 spoons of sugar in your cup MAU Stir it Yes, yes, this is all very entertaining, these analogies, but what if coffee makes you vomit? Huh? -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't. Douglas Adams Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Still 2 big flaws in 3.0.0.6 NFS
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 02:27:59 +0200, Daniel Friedmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seconded. Although using ESC is very easy it isn't quite intuitive. I'd like to have an additional Cancel button to the existing OK button. Maybe we could get an Add and Remove button too. Right-clicking or pressing INS isn't immediately obvious. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello 9Val, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:22:00 +0300 GMT (05/09/2004, 04:22 +0700 GMT), 9Val wrote: 9 I talked about any other action like parking message. I don't 9 understand why do you think that after moving it has no sence in other 9 operation while message is still accessible? PMFJI. In MAU's example: M Copy to A M Flag message M Copy to B You agree that: M only the message in B should appear as flagged, not in A. Will you agree M to that? 9 Sure It makes a lot of sense to people who program their filters as well as to not-so-computer-savvy people who just use filters. The actions are being worked on from top to bottom. So, if I do something to the message before doing something else (i.e. flagging and then copying) the message will be copied with that attribute. That's all normal. The flag will not be applied to the copy in folder A, as the message was only flagged after the copy command. The filtering system should not go back upwards and apply the flag to all copies. Otherwise I would have no possibility to have the message flagged in one folder and unflagged in another, which may be what I desire. Or coloured or what. Now talking about moving. Of course it should *not* be possible to apply colour groups or flags after moving, it doesn't make sense. I think it should be greyed out to prevent users from mistakenly setting this action and wondering why it doesn't work. Both the the savvy and the unsavvy user will understand that you need to flag etc before you move, and that action are being interpreted top-to-bottom, very much like the filters, and that is easy to understand. Just my 0.02 worth. -- Cheers, Thomas. Man kann niemanden ueberholen, wenn man in seine Fussstapfen tritt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
pranayama
Hi, The latest beta is pranayama which means a type of yogic breath awareness and regulation exercise designed to help control one's vital energy -- __ __ _ __ | \/ (_) ___| |__ __ _ ___| | | |\/| | |/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ _ \ | | | | | | (__| | | | (_| | __/ | |_| |_|_|\___|_| |_|\__,_|\___|_| :einsteinyoyo: Join the new The Bat! Group - play around with The Bat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.01) Total Spam Emails: 61 Total Clean Emails: 10 BayesIT guessed right 99.95082% of the time My email is 85.915493% spam = Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: How to filter this group in NFS?
Hello, Marck. You wrote 05.09.2004 @ 10:38 ANV And also: may be it is a time to upgrade the group incoming/notify text ANV according to the NFS? MDP I have them in edit buffers right now!! ;-) Well, could you send the notification with the rule when it will be ready? (not at monthly remainder, but right now?) -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.6.01 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello Roelof, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:49:47 +0200 GMT (05/09/2004, 05:49 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: M Now throw you cup of coffee down the drain M Now drink it M Did the coffee Mary drunk have any sugar? (*) RO We might be checking you. ;-) M 3.- She couldn't drink any coffee because it had gone down the drain. RO Bad answer. You're asking something that has no relation to your RO program. (That's bad programming practice.) I'm sorry, but MAU's answer is valid. In TB terms, the message has been deleted, and he assigns a colour group afterwards. RO And you're not answering the question, that should be 'yes' or RO 'no' I would think an exception would be thrown here, as Y or N don't make sense. Therefore, the action (drinking the coffee after throwing it down the drain) should be disallowed or greyed out. As you correctly say, it's bad programming style to allow it, and MAU has shown us exactly what the NFS is doing at the moment, IMHO. RO So you're asking a question that doesn't relate to the program and RO your answer doesn't relate to the question. Clearly a bug. It relates to both the program and the question, and the bug (well, oversight) is in TB. -- Cheers, Thomas. Man: Is this seat empty? Woman: Yes, and this one will be if you sit down. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Memory Usage, and folder freeze (Was Re: TheBat! 3.0.0.6 Post Release is now available)
Hi 9Val, [-] IMAP: Memory leaks Well they appeared to be fixed in the daily build you sent to me on the first shortly after the final release, but it appears that general memory usage, and virtual memory usage is back up again in this one: http://thebat.netdork.net/vm_3006.png Not a good start. Also, I've noticed this in the last beta from the 2.13 series, and all versions of 3 so far, but it doesn't seem to like one of my IMAP folders. It ALWAYS freezes when it gets to it, TB is helpless sitting there until I kill it. All other mail clients are fine with that folder, and I regularly have to delete just that item from the fetch list so it can continue... It happens to be my TBOT list folder. I've not yet checked out why it does it, but I remember in some of the earlier 2.x betas this problem occurred, and was fixed... Not sure if this is the same issue or not, but behaviour is the same. -- Jonathan Angliss Using The Bat! v3.0.0 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 The bold print giveth and the fine print taketh away. Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
M i c C u l l e n wrote: MicCullen Yes, yes, this is all very entertaining, these analogies, MicCullen but what if coffee makes you vomit? Huh? That's covered. Use program 3. ,- [ MAU wrote: ] | Fill your cup with coffee | Now put 2 spoons of sugar in the cup | Stir it | Now throw you cup of coffee down the drain | Now drink it `- -- George Using The Rat! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filters, coffee, and Mary [was Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val]
Hello Allen! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 7:22 PM, you wrote: MB And one for 9Val: :batcoffee: AD Off topic, but . . . Is there such an emoticon, or is common AD practice to make them up on the spot, leaving us to use our AD imaginations between the colons? Yes, there is indeed such an emoticon. Ben Z. (Plan9) created it for the PCWSmileys Smiley page, at my request. 9Val has given us permission to use the TB! icon in our images on that page. http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php Unfortunately the server is down right now. I hope its problems will soon be straightened out and you can then go there and obtain the PCWSmileys Zip file and copy its contents into The Bat!/Images. Meanwhile, one batcoffee is attached herewith. :) I would never just make up an emoticon handle that had no image to call! Against my religion. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0.0.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 attachment: batcoffee.jpg Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Incorrect sending via RAS (dialup) connection.
Hello, tbbeta. I found that it is hard to send a letter when the type of connection is dialup on demand (when The Bat! dials itself and then send/receive the mail). Before it was waining for established connection and then make sending/receiving. Now only receiving threads really wait, the sending doesn't wait for the connections, just tries to send a letter immediately (when the dialing is still in progress) - and so, it gives the error unable to connect to server, which is surely true, because no connections exists for the moment of this try. The problem arose, I think, when I switch a flag use local delivery on, and switch it back to off after some time. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.6.01 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.00.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
