Search: using both AND and OR not possible?
This must have been brought up before, but I when creating a search, I cannot use both AND and OR. Clearly a limitation. Will this be changed? Of course, some sort of proper prioritisation must be made, but we already have the possibility to that when creating a VF. Why not just steal the VF design and use it when searching too? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 01:13, Mary Bull wrote: In fact, if I didn't have the yellowish icons solution to my vision problems that I got from MAU Naughty guy, that MAU, giving you a vision problem and all...;-) Come on, Marcus, you're better at English grammar than that! ;) No, I'm not, I promise (but I know what you are alluding to and thank you for that comment :-) I was aware I might be wrong, I should be when criticising a former teacher of the English language, but I took a shot. To my Swedish ears, the last part of the sentence usually refers to the part before, if you don't enclose the part before in commas or similar dividers and hence make it a subordinate clause. Well, this is clearly OT so I stop here and thank you for the English lesson of today. And, as you know, there is nothing saying we can't continue this off list :-) -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Restore problems
On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 04:53, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Well. I installed TB new, and when the question came whether I want to restore from a backup, I answered yes. It took a little while, and then an error message came Error reading file *.tbk. Tried again, no use. Which again proofs that the backup function should either be fixed or removed. I have brought this up before and been answered that it mostly, maybe almost always, work, but I have seen too many complaints that it doesn't to trust such a statement. If there is one thing a email program must not do, it is loosing data. Not when running, not when fetching mails and certainly not when trusting the internal backup routine to transfer the entire message base from one computer to another. As a friend of mine stated, loosing a folder worth of emails in the old 1.2 or 1.3 days, he would never again fire up TB! and he hasn't. I understand him. If I lost data now, I have taken the necessary precautions to bring it back and I know TB! well enough to know what to do, but if I had loose data in the beginning of my TB! career, I would not write this today. So again, either make the backup routine fool proof, or remove it. Making if more proof could start with implementing a mandatory validity check just after the backup has been done. TB! should never ever create a backup without checking it's integrity, and this should be done with the same code which is used when restoring, to make sure restoration is always possible. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Arjan. --On 19 May 2005 00:34 +0200 you wrote about Re: First Impressions: That's NOT good! These ones are OK aren't they? That was the point I tried to make. No, the point you tried to make is it was Mulberries fault, it wasn't. -- Tony. M. pgp9X65oXRi3G.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bayes Filter 2.0.2 not re-loading
Hi TBBETA After a full test of the Bayes Filter 2.0.2 issue I can report that the problem appears to be related to the Bayes Filter itself, not remembering its installation. I have tried on 2 separate machines, and in each case (with TB3.5), the latest 2.02 version fails to be remembered between TB! restarts. Version 2.01 however seems to work fine. Achim.. are you listening? -- Graham Windows XP 5.12600 The Bat!: 3.5 -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Search: using both AND and OR not possible?
On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 09:31, Marcus Ohlström wrote: This must have been brought up before, but I when creating a search, I cannot use both AND and OR. Clearly a limitation. Will this be changed? Of course, some sort of proper prioritisation must be made, but we already have the possibility to that when creating a VF. Why not just steal the VF design and use it when searching too? FYI, 9Val commented this off list: ,- | MO This must have been brought up before, but I when creating a search, I | MO cannot use both AND and OR. | | I've waited for this question for a long time:-) | | MO Why not just steal the VF design and use it when searching too? | | Actually current search uses a little bit simplified VF mechanism and | it is much more slowly than previous search. There are a lot | complaints that now search by text is much slower than in previous | version and it is true. More universality (now it should search better | in HTML mails) gives less speed. | | BTW, we are planning to add exactly the same mechanism, it is already | half-implemented and because it was disabled near release. `- Now we know why searching is slow and that we will be able to use both AND and OR in the same query. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
Hi all, after I also migrated to encryption I wanted to make sure that everybody knows that without the registry settings from before encryption (you are starting with a clean registry because of the whole uninstall/install process) there is much you have to setup again by hand. I solved this by saving HKCU\Software\RIT and completly importing it after the migration. I just shutdown TB right after restoring accounts/mails/addressbooks etc and imported the registry key. Very important is that you change one key after importing the original registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\EncryptedLayerMode This key is set to 0 when no encryption is active and has to be set to 1 when encryption is active. So be sure you change that by hand before starting TB the first time after importing you old settings. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Empty space (was: 3.5RC8 a preview of issues to be tested)
Hello Thomas! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 9:48 PM, you wrote: ... means I cannot use v3.5 in the office. This version is a nice toy for my home, but not what I need in a heavy production environment. And I thought TB is *the* tool for the heavy user, and not just a toy. MB It *is* a tool for the heavy user. And getting more so all the time. MB You know that, Thomas! Yeah? You must have missed my message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I cannot use v3.5 in the office if the message list behaviour is not fixed. YMMV, but the new behaviour costs me too much time. I understood that it was giving you too many problems. I just wanted to tease you a bit about your sweeping language. :) MB I think you couldn't resist the alliteration and elegant word MB play. But to write toy in connection with TB! is to slander it! MB ... The customisable toolsbars are a toy for me, while they are important to others. The new look is also nice but has nothing to do with a production environment. Yes. Truer words never spoken. But you don't have to use that feature. So I was objecting to what I read as your calling the entire program a toy. ;) Did they say when TB will move back from toy status to tool status? MB In connection with a threading issue, ... MB mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the mid. I have no problems with threading (works here as ever) and hope that the message list behavior will be fixed at the same time. That's my hope, too. MB There are so many minor (depending on the particular use needed) MB things to fix, that I'm not sure whether the empty space one will be MB among them. The empty space is a cosmetic issue. I am sure it is connected with the clicking on the last message issue and will be implicitely fixed (would be annoying otherwise). Well, it's wait and see time, nicht wahr? ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
SOT: Grammar and yellowish icons [was Re: v3.5 status]
Hello Marcus! On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 2:42 AM, you wrote: In fact, if I didn't have the yellowish icons solution to my vision problems that I got from MAU Naughty guy, that MAU, giving you a vision problem and all...;-) Come on, Marcus, you're better at English grammar than that! ;) No, I'm not, I promise (but I know what you are alluding to and thank you for that comment :-) I was just in a mischief-making mood. You were entirely right, and my infinitive modifier was misplaced. I was aware I might be wrong, I should be when criticising a former teacher of the English language, ... I did indeed get caught out by you, and the effect of my error was--I admit it--truly funny. ... but I took a shot. To my Swedish ears, the last part of the sentence usually refers to the part before, if you don't enclose the part before in commas or similar dividers and hence make it a subordinate clause. It's the same in English. You were and are 100% right. I don't want the teasing mode I adopted to mislead you or anyone else. That's why I'm replying on-list. Well, this is clearly OT so I stop here and thank you for the English lesson of today. My apologies for not making it more clear that the challenge back was simply joking on my part. And it gave me a chance to thank Miguel again for the yellowish icons. :) And, as you know, there is nothing saying we can't continue this off list :-) Indeed. :) Any time. But it's worth chancing a fish to me, to set the record straight publicly that your interpretation of English grammar rules is immaculate and comprehensive on this point. Thanks, too, for letting me laugh at myself. ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Stuart Hemming can't get back on TBBETA
Hello Everyone! Yesterday I had a PM from Stuart Hemming asking if there was traffic here and if I had been seeing his posts to TBBETA. He had suspended his account while away, and he could not seem to be able to restore it. I confirmed traffic to him and suggested he ask Marck about his problem by PM. Here's a cp of his reply to me this morning, which he gave me permission to quote here. Note that he also wants to know if anyone here is using gmail for this list and if his notification from gmail might possibly be part of his problem. --Begin CP-- MB Hope to see you there soon! :) It's not going well. I've mailed Marck but he's not replied yet. However, this morning I got the following from gmail ... ,- [ ] | This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification | | THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. | | YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. | | Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed: | | tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com | | Message will be retried for 2 more day(s) | | Technical details of temporary failure: | TEMP_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 10): 451 Talk to your mail administrator for details. `- Do you think you could slip something on to the list and find out if there is anyone on using gmail please? -- Stuart Hemming, --End cp- So I've done so. Please, anyone who can help Stuart with the problem, either reply here or reply PM to Stuart, or both. TIA. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Peter, I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.? MyGate produces filter strings that can be copied in to SO directly (I think). -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. I met a Dutch girl with inflatable shoes last week, phoned her up to arrange a date but unfortunately she'd popped her clogs. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Mic Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't understand the enormous faith people place in GMail/Google. A free service under someone else's care. No thanks. Mic, I think if you examine your life you will discover that you also place a lot of faith in free services that are under someone else's care. I would find it quite sad if the only thing you believe in is what you pay for. We used to call that cruising for a bruising. :-) Anyway, Google/Gmail earns a lot of revenue on this so-called free service that you are talking about. And there is nothing absolutely certain - or more certain - about a product just because you happen to pay for it. The real question is only - will the product still be available and functional tomorrow. I think that Gmail is a likely bet - as likely as any other service provider I can think of and more likely than any PC that I might convert into my own jerryrigged IMAP server. But perhaps you are thinking in terms of privacy. I see that issue in a layered fashion. My first - and most significant - layer of personal protection is the care that I take in the words that I write. Even if all of my mail were to be made public tomorrow (an unlikely eventuality that might bankrupt Google due to such a betrayal of trust), I doubt that I would feel personally embarrassed. I would, however, be furious about the infringement of other people's privacy and the fact that the leak was through my accounts. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Save all attachments?
Hi, Im currently working on something at work and mailing myself it when I get home.. something doesnt seem right... I open my mail with say 15 attachments.. most of which exist, maybe a couple dont. save all... prompts me for each file where to save and asks me to name each one then overwrite it.. save all to prompts me for a directory.. and then asks me for each file where to save it and if I want to overwrite it. Surely, the last should be just overwrite yes/no? -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is there. As has been discussed almost hundreds of times you need to do a fresh install. Make a backup of _everything_, delete registry keys and reinstall. Then install again. Peter, I don't mean to be a nudnik or whatever, but I just don't feel comfortable with that type of instruction. Before I do this, I want to know how I will restore my data base, my templates, my address book, and my various settings. I also want to know how long the process will take. You say: It should take no more than 10 mins. Well, I find that hard to believe. And if this process can be automated, then why doesn't someone from Ritlabs - or some other programmer or volunteer - put together a script that will take me through the transition in a painless and tension-free manner? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Matt Thoene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, May 15, 2005 @ 7:54:58 PM [-0700], Avi Yashar wrote: (or my own domain Webmail) ...that most likely is using IMAP... Well, Matt, my Webhosting provider does not give me an IMAP option - only a POP3 option. To get the IMAP option I would have to pay more and also upgrade to a virtual server (which I would have to maintain rather than have a Webhosting provider maintain it for me). So I think your assumption is wrong. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allie, I appreciate your sincerity, but... I have all of those conditions but none of those problems. The reason is because instead of setting up my own IMAP server (a dedicated computer or whatever I would have to do), I don't have my IMAP server on dedicated machine. :) Yes, but the last time we discussed the subject, it looked like my best option would be to run IMAP on my own dedicated machine. So that has to be factored in when you consider people in situations like mine (as you mention below). I let Google (or my own domain Webmail) handle the central storage headache for me. You put a lot of trust in such a service. More power to you. I store my own mail on my personal machine and back it up regularly. As with everything and everyone else, for me trust is a relative concept. The questions are only trust someone/something to do what and for how long. Right now, I consider Google to have the necessary level of trustworthiness to store mail that I might want to access from anywhere and at any time. Most commonly, I lose connection with my server, if I lose connection with the Internet in general. Additionally, the occasional problem with my personal server is less frequent as problems I have with other online services. It's far more reliable than you may realize. As I've said before, my only regret with all this is fearing the reliability issues and not actually doing it earlier. That is not the case with my own server (not my own virtual server but only Web hosting provided by StartLogic). The company claims to have 99.9% uptime, but things can get very slow and scheduled maintenances do occur. In contrast, Gmail seems more reliable to me. But, hey, this is starting to sound like I am a salesman for Google. I am not. I just happen to appreciate Gmail in comparison to other freemail servers that I have used for the same or similar purposes. Sure. Your choice. Hopefully, this little discussion will stimulate others into trying IMAP in situations as yours. :) By the way, I am not opposed to IMAP. And I have tried it. But all of the discussion about bugs in IMAP - and people moving from TB to Mulberry to get stable IMAP - were not much of an encouragement for me to tread that path. To paraphrase the Bard, methinks the IMAP people doth protest too much. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Avi, On 17-05-2005 11:22, you [AY] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AY Peter, I don't mean to be a nudnik or whatever, but I just don't AY feel comfortable with that type of instruction. OK. AY Before I do this, I want to know how I will restore my data base, my AY templates, my address book, and my various settings. I also want to AY know how long the process will take. If you search for old messages on this list, it has been explained in detail. I'm afraid I am a bit to busy to find the relevant post for you. But it's there. AY You say: It should take no more than 10 mins. AY Well, I find that hard to believe. And if this process can be AY automated, then why doesn't someone from Ritlabs - or some other AY programmer or volunteer - put together a script that will take me AY through the transition in a painless and tension-free manner? Backup takes 2 minutes to start: just select everything. It may take some time to run it but you are not working during this time... :-) The in RegEdit, just delete everything to do with RitLabs and TheBat (make sure you have kept the e-mail with your registration code). -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.11 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005 @ 2:00:04 AM [-0700], Avi Yashar wrote: (or my own domain Webmail) ...that most likely is using IMAP... Well, Matt, my Webhosting provider does not give me an IMAP option - only a POP3 option. To get the IMAP option I would have to pay more and also upgrade to a virtual server (which I would have to maintain rather than have a Webhosting provider maintain it for me). So I think your assumption is wrong. What I meant was, most webmail clients use IMAP to connect to their mail server. I thought maybe you were controlling your own mail server but I was wrong. Sorry. -- Matt Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - mail lost!
Hello Peter, On 19 May 2005, 17:00 you wrote: on one of my IMAP accounts there were 13 new messages. All of them had been displayed TWICE in the inbox. Well, I deleted the duplicates and had 13 messages left. Then I performed a purgecompress on that folder - with the result that ALL new messages are gone! Including a really important one. It seems that TB just displayed the messages twice virtually whereas they physically were present once. Has anybody else seen this nice (NOT) behaviour before? :-(( Yes, I found out the hard way too. It often happens after my PC restores from hibernating. Fortunately, I can always recover the messages as I copy all mail to a backup mailbox before sorting. BTW, did you select and delete or simply use remove duplicates? -- As ever, .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 We haven't the money, so we've got to think. LORD RUTHERFORD, 1871-1937 ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.5 Return RC9 IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Restore problems
Hello Martin, On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:46:56 +0200 GMT (19/05/2005, 13:46 +0700 GMT), Martin Schoch wrote: MS Something must be broken then with Backup/Restore... I'm not entirely sure whether it's TB or my own machine, so I'm waiting for confirmations. -- Cheers, Thomas. INFLATION: Cutting money in half without damaging the paper. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 Final a preview of issues to be tested
Dear 9Val, -- Samstag, 14. Mai 2005, 02:12:43: I'll not sleep all the time, just have some work to finish University and pass exams :) Good luck and success! -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hi Avi, On 17/05/2005 12:43 PM +0300, you wrote: Ah darn. You I was going along with you until you wrote this. :) To paraphrase the Bard, methinks the IMAP people doth protest too much. I don't know where to start, so I will not. shrug I guess it must be bait, and bad bait at that, which I'll not bite. Not worth discussing. But just to say I saw it, couldn't disagree more with it, and that it's an opinion based on ignorance. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Itsdifficulttobeverycreativewithonlyfiftysevencharacters! Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Changing charset in outgoing messages trashes screen contents
Hello everyone, could someone please try this... write a new message and change the chartset from the status bar on the bottom of the editor windows (say from Latin-9 to Windows-1250, or whatever...). The editor window will be totally trashed. Scroll up/down once the screen is redrawn correctly. Using Win XP with activated cleartype. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) To serve an unintelligent man is like crying in the wilderness, massaging the body of a dead man, painting water lilies on dry land, whispering in the ear of the deaf. -- Panchatantra Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Peter, On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:44:31 +0200 GMT (19/05/2005, 22:44 +0700 GMT), Peter Fjelsten wrote: PF The in RegEdit, just delete everything to do with RitLabs and TheBat PF (make sure you have kept the e-mail with your registration code). Give me a hint here. I deleted HKCU/Software/RIT, reinstalled TB, but I still have a problem. What other keys do I need to delete? -- Cheers, Thomas. The real question for 1988 is whether we're going to go forward to tomorrow or past to the--to the back! --V.P. Dan Quayle. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Stuart, I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.? MyGate produces filter strings that can be copied in to SO directly (I think). Yes, I clarified that afterwards in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - mail lost!
--On 19 May 2005 18:00 +0200 Peter Hampf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody else seen this nice (NOT) behaviour before? Yes. Unfortunately Peter you've learned the hard way not to delete the duplicates - because they're not true dupes but TB displaying the same message twice. To correct the display next time go to folder - remove duplicates. This will correct the display and count but not delete anything. You might be lucky and still find your mails on your server; I find it difficult to get TB to delete unwanted mails when I want to! -- Regards Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Changing charset in outgoing messages trashes screen contents
Hi Alexander, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Thursday, May 19, 2005, 5:52:14 PM. I believe you wrote: ASK could someone please try this... write a new message and change the ASK chartset from the status bar on the bottom of the editor windows (say from ASK Latin-9 to Windows-1250, or whatever...). The editor window will be totally ASK trashed. Scroll up/down once the screen is redrawn correctly. Only one which looked screwy was when I went turkish, otherwise wasnt bad. Im using fixedsys font and plaintext editor, looked in pure HTML looked ok too. ASK Using Win XP with activated cleartype. me too -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV Mail Dispatcher 3.5
Hello Ian! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 6:43 PM, you wrote: And another one. --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 00444FA6 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0006. --- OK --- Just now, for me, a single message download from the Mail Dispatcher, filtered to TBOT: Access violation at address 00444F98 in module 'thebat.exe' Read of Address 31323128 - AV appears as download is happening, immediately upon clicking the Mail Dispatcher process/transfer button. Does not interfere with download. AV window disappears upon click of OK. Not the same addresses each time. But sometimes they're the same as a previous AV. I wonder whether anyone besides you and me is experiencing these, Ian. They're very strange and random for me. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection center observation
Hallo Martin, hiermit antworte ich auf die Nachricht vom 19.05.2005 (20:41 Uhr): MS I have a lot of mail accounts - POP and IMAP. MS My configuration for Get New Mai for all is set that TheBat MS has to check 10 different POP accounts. MS Now and then I can see that the Connection Center waits for MS connection or termination of the last POP - and waits forever... MS I have to Abort all task. MS Similar observations? Perhaps somehow related to my (still persisting) problem with anti-virus-plugins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and Mary Bull's observation of AVs with MailDispatcher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). My impression is, that the task-accounting sometimes looses some of the tasks it has started. It seems, that it does not always keep track of all the things happening in the background, like an antivirus-plugin needing some time for scanning a mail or a lot of connections opening and closing in very short time. I deactivated the antivirus-plugin that solved the problem for me. However, I remember a situation similar to yours. But this only occured once, so I cannot confirm this for now. BTW: Are you able to close TheBat! after you had to Abort all tasks? This was a problem for me with activated antivir-plugin. -- Best regards, Carsten Using The Bat! 3.5 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Restore problems
Hello Thomas, I'm not entirely sure whether it's TB or my own machine, so I'm waiting for confirmations. confirmed on w2k/SP4 with the same AV Error reading file *.tbk. But all accounts were created and all properties (filter, QT,...) of the account was restored. I thought also, it was a problem by my machine or a corrupt TBK file. -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - mail lost!
Peter, On 19-05-2005 18:00, you [PH] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PH Has anybody else seen this nice (NOT) behaviour before? :-(( Yes, in the latest betas this happens occasionally. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.11 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:58:00 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: That's NOT good! These ones are OK aren't they? Not quite. Now your Reference header has two Message-IDs separated by nine spaces. But TB! can handle that. That was the point I tried to make. No, the point you tried to make is it was Mulberries fault, it wasn't. Well, if it makes you feel better... Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old whish for picking Address: Store in Group
[Reply to: Martin Schoch · 2005-05-19 · 20:55 h (CET)] Hello, Martin! But there you have only to choice to store it in the personal address book. It's not possible to store an address to an Address Group... Of course you can: After clicking on Add to Addressbook the normal Edit Address Entry dialog appears and there you can choose the Group: Tab General - Line 8 Groups Or did I get you wrong? -- Cheers! VA If you are in deep water, you should not hang the head. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old whish for picking Address: Store in Group
On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 1:55:38 PM, Martin Schoch wrote: But there you have only to choice to store it in the personal address book. It's not possible to store an address to an Address Group... can't confirm. the pull down for address groups is toward the bottom -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection center observation
On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 1:41:26 PM, Martin Schoch wrote: It's difficult to give more information - but as said - this happens several times a day - it's not always the same account. Similar observations? I just looked to see if wings flapping, and since were not looked at CC. It had an account stuck at 37 minutes +. As soon as I deleted task wings started for this e-mail (which came thru other account) -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Arjan. --On 19 May 2005 22:08 +0200 you wrote about Re: First Impressions: Well, if it makes you feel better... I didn't feel bad to start with! -- Tony. M. pgpyeuOgT4xbQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TheBat! 3.5 prof MSI - now zipped
Hello Martin, Thursday, May 19, 2005, 10:10:30 PM, you wrote: MS Hi Thomas MS If you whish I can send you a link where you can download the MS TheBat 3.5 prof in a ZIP file. You can install it you your program MS directory and start TheBat in the installed directory. MS After cleaning the registry you should then be able to make a fresh MS installation... MS Over here this worked... or use the total commander MSI plugin to unpack msi file by himself :) -- Best regards, Krzysztofmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat 3.5 @ Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Thomas, On 19-05-2005 18:51, you [TF] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TF Give me a hint here. I deleted HKCU/Software/RIT, reinstalled TB, TF but I still have a problem. What other keys do I need to delete? Hmm. Of course you need the Pro version of TB! but I assume you have that? Common lore dictates that deleting all TB!-related registry keys and reinstalling should do the trick. If not, it sounds like a bug report. Remember to use the backup of TB! first... :-) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.11 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5 bug: Search buggy
Hello beta testers. Whenever I use Search to - er - search though my TB folder (6900 msgs), the search begins and the small progress bar (bottom left) moves. Then it stalls (does not continue to the end). Stop has no function either. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.11 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Changing charset in outgoing messages trashes screen contents
Hello Liz everyone else, on 19-Mai-2005 at 19:29 you (Liz) wrote: ASK could someone please try this... write a new message and change the ASK chartset from the status bar on the bottom of the editor windows (say ASK from Latin-9 to Windows-1250, or whatever...). The editor window will ASK be totally trashed. Scroll up/down once the screen is redrawn ASK correctly. Only one which looked screwy was when I went turkish, otherwise wasnt bad. Im using fixedsys font and plaintext editor, looked in pure HTML looked ok too. Strange. I'm using a fixed width font (not fixedsys though) and the plaintext editor, too. Maybe it is dependent on the font... the fixed width font I'm using is not cleartyped in the editor (which is normal). When I switch from Windows-1250 to Latin-1 or Latin-9 (which really shouldn't make a big difference) it becomes a total mess (looks like a forgotten clearscreen). I've made a screenshot attached it (I hope its not too big). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) One becomes a critic when one cannot be an artist, just as one becomes a stool pigeon when he cannot be a soldier. -- Gustave Flaubertattachment: Clipboard01.png Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5 bug(?): temp file issue is back
Hello beta testers. In the latest couple of versions, I have had a huge problem with TB! not importing my messages properly from MyGate. I have a huge (100K+) number of bat.tmp files in my temp directory and my messages are definitely not imported. I have cleared all files in /gates for MyGate but this did not help. I also have a problem with some filters for POP3 not working 100% (a couple of of misses). Is anyone else seeing this? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.11 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TheBat! 3.5 prof MSI - now zipped
Hello Krzysztof Radzikowski everyone else, on 19-Mai-2005 at 22:23 you (Krzysztof Radzikowski) wrote: or use the total commander MSI plugin to unpack msi file by himself :) ...or herself. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 bug(?): temp file issue is back
Hello Peter, A reminder of what Peter Fjelsten typed on: May 19, 2005 at 22:42:15 GMT +0200 PF In the latest couple of versions, I have had a huge problem with TB! PF not importing my messages properly from MyGate. PF I have a huge (100K+) number of bat.tmp files in my temp directory PF and my messages are definitely not imported. PF I have cleared all files in /gates for MyGate but this did not help. PF I also have a problem with some filters for POP3 not working 100% (a PF couple of of misses). PF Is anyone else seeing this? I believe MAU reported a problem with this in the last couple of days. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5 bug(?): temp file issue is back
Hello Stuart, On 19 May 2005 at 15:54:42 GMT -0500 (which was 22:54:42 where I live), Stuart Cuddy wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of 3.5 bug(?): temp file issue is back: Hello Peter, A reminder of what Peter Fjelsten typed on: May 19, 2005 at 22:42:15 GMT +0200 PF In the latest couple of versions, I have had a huge problem with TB! PF not importing my messages properly from MyGate. PF I have a huge (100K+) number of bat.tmp files in my temp directory PF and my messages are definitely not imported. PF I have cleared all files in /gates for MyGate but this did not help. PF I also have a problem with some filters for POP3 not working 100% (a PF couple of of misses). PF Is anyone else seeing this? I believe MAU reported a problem with this in the last couple of days. This was also discussed many months ago and somebody copied a vbs script in the message that will take care of these zero tmp files. The script is below: === Directory = C:\Documents and Settings\**user**\Local Settings\Temp Keepdays= 0 Set fso = CreateObject(Scripting.FileSystemObject) Set folder = fso.GetFolder(Directory) Set files = folder.Files Set reg = New RegExp reg.Pattern = \*.tmp today = Date() For Each file In files If (file.DateLastModified (today - Keepdays) And reg.Test(file.Name)) Then file.Delete End If Next == Save this info as a .vbs file (without the s) in a directory and run it automatically when you boot your system. Note that you have to change the **user** in the first line. Since I'm using this program, there's only 1 day of zero .tmp files in my Temp directory. Now, this is actually a circumvention as why is TB leaving so many zero tmp files behind? -- Best regards, Dick ___ Cannot open file D:\Documents and Settings\Dick\Application Data\tagzilla-en.txt Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV Mail Dispatcher 3.5
On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 23:16, Ian A. White wrote: I have to say that The Bat! (good as it is) is the only program I use (and I use computers all day) that generates these AV's. Same here and I have been wondering why it is so. Not having touched a compiler for years and never under Windows, I do not fully understand what an AV is, but it seems strange that they are so common in TB! while almost absent in other software. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Stuart Hemming can't get back on TBBETA
jueves, 19 may 2005 at 14:45, it seems you wrote:
Do you think you could slip something on to the list and find out if
there is anyone on using gmail please?
Personally I use a personal mail server (made by me) to send all the
mails. When I send a message to the list the server says I'm
greylisted and I should retry in some minutes. After of this time the
server accepts my message correctly.
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Re: [SPAM *********] Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
jueves, 19 may 2005 at 03:31, it seems you wrote:
Do you use a LNG downloaded from some website?
Hmm, I don't understand. I was running nothing else than the MSI
file.
Ok, thanks. I will explain my thinkings.
As you could say in my signature I'm the spanish translator of TB!.
Sometimes the international pack doesn't have all the translations, so
I send to the spanish group of TB! (www.gdutb.org) a copy of a current
LNG. I asked to you if you downloaded your LNG from one server.
Do you installed the 3.5 Final version of the professional msi?
Yes.
Well. So the problem it's confirmed to be inside the TB! EXE file
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Re: Connection center observation
Hallo Martin, hiermit antworte ich auf die Nachricht vom 19.05.2005 (21:10 Uhr): BTW: Are you able to close TheBat! after you had to Abort all tasks? This was a problem for me with activated antivir-plugin. MS Yes. In this situation I can close the Connection Center with MS Abort all tasks. Most of the times, when a pop3-tasks hanged, I could close CC, but I was not able to close TheBat! afterwards. Trying to close The Bat! (Alt-F4), I get the warning Some tasks are now active. Do you want to exit when they are finished? Yes, No, Abort. (Although no tasks are shown in connection centre!) Did you experience this behaviour? -- Best regards, Carsten Using The Bat! 3.5 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
BayesIt! Backup
Hi!
I want to reinstall TB! to use OTFE. But I don't want to lose my
little BayesIt! spam database
Spam (23935 messages/762155 words)
Not-spam (33933 mensajes/781467 words)
Someone knows how to make a BayesIt! backup?
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Re[2]: Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
jueves, 19 may 2005 at 23:51, it seems you wrote:
As you could say in my signature
^^^--- see
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Re: 3.5 bug(?): temp file issue is back
Hello Stuart, PF In the latest couple of versions, I have had a huge problem with TB! PF not importing my messages properly from MyGate. PF I have a huge (100K+) number of bat.tmp files in my temp directory PF and my messages are definitely not imported. I am seeing some/many (50 or 60) 0 byte tmp files left over by TB when exiting. They are always 0 byte and I have not seen (or noticed so far) any message not being imported. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Restore problems
Hello Thomas, Thursday, May 19, 2005, 12:35:57 PM, you wrote: I'm not entirely sure whether it's TB or my own machine, so I'm waiting for confirmations. I did a total remove of everything TB related and installed the new TB Home MSI. Then I restored the TB backup from my pre-removal last RC. No problems at all. Everything was restored with no AVs. -- Best regards, Richard Newman --- Using The Bat!3.5 under Windows XP5 Service Pack 2 Service Pack 2 on a Pentium 4 1.99 GHz Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:22:57 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: Well, if it makes you feel better... I didn't feel bad to start with! Yes, but now your Mail Transfer System has messed up my carefully reconstructeded References headerline again! Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection center observation
Martin Now and then I can see that the Connection Center waits for connection or termination of the last POP - and waits forever... I have to Abort all task. It's difficult to give more information - but as said - this happens several times a day - it's not always the same account. Yes - for quite a while, too. Might be nice to have these things time out eventually. I really don't what the Connection Center on the Task Bar and for it to hide (auto) but my IMAP account always is in the queue, so it stays visible. Maybe I just don't know how to set this up, but I don't think I have control over it. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.5 and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Win2000 SP4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: BayesIt! Backup
On Thu 19-May-05 5:02pm -0500, NetVicious wrote: I want to reinstall TB! to use OTFE. But I don't want to lose my little BayesIt! spam database Someone knows how to make a BayesIt! backup? Backup or zip your two bayesit folders - one is in The Bat's program folder and the other is in The Bat's mail store. Don't forget the subdirectories. I'm waiting for Ritlabs to provide a better approach then to use the current kludge of a method - destroy everything and start over :-( -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.5 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: BayesIt! Backup
Hello, NetVicious. You wrote 20.05.2005 @ 5:02 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using mailer: The Bat! (v3.5) Professional N Hi! N I want to reinstall TB! to use OTFE. But I don't want to lose my N little BayesIt! spam database N Spam (23935 messages/762155 words) N Not-spam (33933 mensajes/781467 words) N Someone knows how to make a BayesIt! backup? Well, here is the short list of the files which are critical for working: 1. The working folder (usually in the mail folder) bayesit: advanced.ini blacklist.txt (if any) whitelist.txt (if any) ignorelist.txt (if any) kludges.txt (if any) stat.bin (if any) Subfolder base: nspamdict.bye nspamdict.lst spamdict.bye spamdict.lst subfolder transact (if contains any files) That is all. The rest of files are not critical and will be automatically restored on the target installation. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.5 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.8.2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hi Allie,
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, you wrote:
Because TB! doesn't yet observe all the rules of the IMAP protocol
and just ignores many of the commands issued by the server.
Interesting enough. Do you have any concrete examples handy?
Early in my Mulberry days, I had a problem with Mulberry not
recognizing some signed messages as such. However, TB! had no such
problems. It turned out that Mulberry followed the IMAP protocol to the
letter and retrieves only that much message header information
required. If the IMAP server was not buggy it would send the
information about whether or not the message was signed. I reported
this to MDaemon support and a fix was soon implemented.
This is an odd statement. The IMAP server doesn't know if a message
is signed or not, all it knows is text. The only way a client knows
a message is signed is if it does a BODYSTRUCTURE call on the
message, and examines the results. Take for example Martin Schoch's
email with the subject Connection center observation. That is a
signed message, and here is the IMAP communication to find out what
the format of the message is.
A05 UID FETCH 41489 (BODYSTRUCTURE)
* 41026 FETCH ( UID 41489 BODYSTRUCTURE ( ( ( text plain (
charset us-ascii ) NIL NIL quoted-printable 605 20 NIL NIL
NIL)(application pgp-signature NIL NIL NIL 8bit 261 NIL NIL NIL)
signed (protocol application/pgp-signature micalg pgp-sha1
boundary --7A1A31253B732244) NIL NIL)(text plain
(charset us-ascii) NIL NIL 7bit 271 4 NIL (inline NIL) NIL)
mixed (boundary ===1216487755==) NIL NIL))
A05 OK FETCH completed.
Okay, that's a big mess, and not easily understandable for most...
gives me a headache, but the IMAP server really doesn't know what any
of that means... when I say that, I mean, it doesn't know what PGP
protocols are, or it doesn't know that this email is a signed email.
It just knows that the email is made up of 4 parts, and the parts
break down like this:
Entity Content-Type Encoding
1 multipart/signed
1.1 text/plain quoted-printable
1.2 application/pgp-signature
2 text/plain 7bit
Correct me if I'm wrong of course, or I am way off on what you mean.
Could it be that Mulbery was just not handling the bodystructure
response correctly? Or was following the RFCs to the letter, and
the IMAP server was sending data back slightly broken?
I'd be interested to see the thread on this error from Mulbery to
find out what they fixed or how they handled this issue.
Tony's issue is just another example of how Mulberry depends on the
IMAP server for parsing headers. This is part of the protocol.
[..]
This makes little sense at all... The only headers the IMAP server
should be parsing are the ones used to generate the BODYSTRUCTURE
response. The headers involved for this can easily be fetched using
IMAP, the IMAP server shouldn't be doing anything with them, but
just returning the content. Unless his IMAP server is doing
something else to it... Here is a quick chat I had with my IMAP
server...
A04 UID FETCH 41256 (BODY[HEADER.FIELDS(Message-ID In-Reply-To References)])
* 40793 FETCH (UID 41256 BODY[HEADER.FIELDS (Message-ID In-Reply-To
References)] {248}
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
I guess to some extent the IMAP server parses the headers, but
that is meerly to read them. Unless I'm totally miss-understanding
what you are talking about. It certainly is curious that the mail
behaves correctly when copied to a local store, and not server side.
All the information required to reply and compose a properly
formatted message are on the IMAP server, unless they're just not
fetching it correctly, or parsing it when they do fetch it.
--
Jonathan Angliss
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Re: Threading?
Hi Tony Boom, On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, you wrote: Hello Stefan. --On 18 May 2005 19:28 +0300 you wrote about Re[8]: Threading?: Hmm. Good motto for IMAP client developers - if anything goes wrong, blame the server! Just a joke, Not such a joke, I said exactly the same thing to Allie and Gary, in fact my exact words were and I quote directly from my message to Allie... And his final verdict... To pass the buck. I can't see it myself because if it was my server stripping the headers then it would also happen when I used The Bat! surely? However, the evidence that was presented to me was overwhelming and I had to eat my words and concede defeat. A little more for you... I don't think IMAP was entirely to blame here, though maybe partially. The header that was incorrectly formatted was the one generated by Mulbery, the rest in the References header were correct iirc. This means Mulbery did correctly download/fetch those headers, it just messed up putting it's own ones in place after it was done. When I say own ones, I'm talking about copying the message-id from the original email to the References and In-Reply-To fields on the reply. It's not difficult to read the data from the IMAP server (see msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] showing an example of me doing just that). So I see one of two possible things have happened in this case, and if you have a few, I'd like to investigate them with you (off list would probably be best) if you want. Possibility 1: Mulbery fetched the message-id header using the method I used in the above mentioned message (or something close to it). The imap server messed with the returned data, and stripped the off of the message-id. We know the messages had them in there originally, we can all go look at our archives. This would then mean Mulbery was not being very RFC compliant, and just dumped what it got back straight back out again. There is an RFC suggestion somewhere that says something along the lines of be liberal in what you accept, and strict in what you send. Basically meaning, you can accept anything within a flexible bounds to the RFC, but follow the RFCs when sending stuff back out. This meaning, if the IMAP server /really/ did strip off the from the message-id, Mulbery *should* have put them back, as the are a MUST per RFC. Possibility 2: Mulbery fetched the headers, and tried parsing them itself, and didn't do it correctly. In either case, Mulbery *should* have handled the corrections. Just my personal opinion on it there. -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp2NTOYEwPk6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hi Jonathan, Possibility 1: Mulbery fetched the message-id header using the method I used in the above mentioned message (or something close to it). The imap server messed with the returned data, and stripped the off of the message-id. We know the messages had them in there originally, we can all go look at our archives. This would then mean Mulbery was not being very RFC compliant, and just dumped what it got back straight back out again. I have to disagree with you here Jonathan, RFC 3501 as you know, says... A quoted string is a sequence of zero or more 7-bit characters, excluding CR and LF, with double quote () characters at each end. If his IMAP server fails to send this correctly, it means his server is not RFC compliant. TB! or Mulberry can only be compliant with the RFC and not deviate from it. It must assume that it is dealing with a compliant server. It cannot and should not do otherwise. There is an RFC suggestion somewhere that says something along the lines of be liberal in what you accept, and strict in what you send. Basically meaning, you can accept anything within a flexible bounds to the RFC, but follow the RFCs when sending stuff back out. I would say this is programmer's saying or adage, as there is nothing of this in the RFC as you know. This meaning, if the IMAP server /really/ did strip off the from the message-id, Mulbery *should* have put them back, as the are a MUST per RFC. Now here is where I disagree with you. Yes, it is a must in the RFC, but it is not up to the client to fix a broken server, and I believe that is what you are asking above. You are asking a client to pick up and make a non-compliant server compliant, to fix is shortcomings. So, where does it end? Should a client fix any broken IMAP server for whatever reason, e.g. broken attributes or commands. One should only assume that any server is 100% compliant. IMO, that is the only way to build a client. Everything else leads to speculation, and isn't that why we have RFCs? I can only hope that TB! will be 100% compliant in its future development and settle for no less. Only then will it be a true IMAP client. Regards, -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
