Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
9Val, On 15-07-2005 00:15, you [9] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is a short list of changes: 9 [+] UI: Possibility to extract single items for customizations ... but it still possible to change spell checking languages via a shortcut! 9 [-] (#0004671) Subject text is jumping. To:-field is still jumping. Also, I am a bit worried that the following page has left out IMAP improvements for the coming release: ,- [ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ ] | Summary | Upcoming release version: 3.6 | Latest test build:3.51.3 | Issues being resolved:Customisable interface and other improvements `- -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.51.3 Pro /thebat version env. ~12 POP3, 4 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, at 01:15:30 [GMT +0300] (which was 0:15 where I live) 9val wrote: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: ...snip Up and running. Just did maintenance and my daily backup, no problems. OTFE running. -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.51.3 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgp1fwkKs5Jw3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: 3.51.3: UI change
Hello Stuart, Friday, July 15, 2005, 1:34:07 AM, among other things, you wrote: check Hidden item to hide second one. SC I can hide the one I just created, but not the one that was already SC there. Then I will not be able to see the shortcut I just added. Not a SC big deal just seems kind of awkward. Any suggestions? I have the same problem! But at long last I do have a shortcut to change the format to HTML for the few, but regular, occasions I have to send a table of Bridge results. It is a great innovation. All I really now need is a macro to do the same thing in the message template; how about it 9Val? -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.51.3, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.1, on Windows XP, version 5.1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
--On 15/07/2005 01:15 +0300 9Val wrote: Here is a short list of changes: What's happened to the promised focus on IMAP problems? -- Clive Taylor Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello 9Val, On Friday, July 15, 2005, at 01:15, you wrote: 9 The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ 9 [-] Other : Various problems with characters sets OK, new encountered utf-8 related issues. 1) Switching between Plain Text MicroEd to Plain Text Windows looses all text in case when charset of message being edited is utf-8. All other charsets seems to work. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4906 2) When default editor is MicroEd and reply is made to utf-8 message no quotes are inserted, just an empty window appears. I think that this behaviour is caused by the same bug which causes utf-8 text to dissapear when switching between MicroEd and windows style plain text editor. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 Not fixed issues: 3) ISO-8859-4 is used as Baltic ISO. ISO-8859-4 is obsolete and replaced by ISO-8859-13. ISO-8859-13 mapping to unicode can be found at http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-13.TXT Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4908 4) Mail ticker is able to display only characters from default windows locale. For example my locale is windows-1257 and all cyrillic letters in Mail ticker are displayed as question marks ? Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4708 5) Character display in header view has problems. Cyrillic letters are not displayed when message encoding is utf-8, koi8-r, iso-8859-5. However when message encoding is windows-1251, all cyrillic characters are displayed correctly. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4909 6) When message is composed in utf-8, then it is saved and then reopened for editing, all my 8 bit characters are gone. Problem happens during opening of saved message, because saved message contains all characters. Guess it is related to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4904 7) MicroEd does not allow to enter characters outside default windows locale even when I set charset to utf-8. Foir example I can't input cyrillic characters in MicroEd when charset is set to utf-8. However I can enter cyrillic letters when I set to koi8-r, iso-8859-5 or windows-1251. I think it is because MicroEd does not have unicode support. Anyeay, Windows style editing sucks would it be possible to add unicode support to MicroEd? 8) Russian letters turn into ? when I move between header fields during message composition. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4910 Fixed issues 9) Plain text windows editor does not allow to enter cyrillic letters at all. Doesn't matter what character is set. -- Edvinas Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Here is a short list of changes: What's happened to the promised focus on IMAP problems? I have an idea that these unicode/localization issues will take over for a few months at least. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello all, Friday, July 15, 2005, Clive Taylor wrote: --On 15/07/2005 01:15 +0300 9Val wrote: Here is a short list of changes: What's happened to the promised focus on IMAP problems? 9Val did't included them in changelog: [-] IMAP: 'Can't store message' on message sent [-] IMAP: sometimes drafts are not superceeded [*] IMAP: some optimizations on work in selected folder [-] IMAP: auto connection/disconnection [-] IMAP: counters fixes [+] IMAP: colour groups support -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Could not connect to IMAP server in TLS
Hello all, Friday, July 15, 2005, Damien wrote: With the last version (3.51.3), I could not connect to IMAP server in TLS. Revert back to 3.51. please attach error message from log too. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Marek, On 15-07-2005 09:40, you [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM 9Val did't included them in changelog: MM [-] IMAP: 'Can't store message' on message sent MM [-] IMAP: sometimes drafts are not superceeded MM [*] IMAP: some optimizations on work in selected folder MM [-] IMAP: auto connection/disconnection MM [-] IMAP: counters fixes MM [+] IMAP: colour groups support This is all pretty good but we are talking about the _focus_ in the next beta series. That is, the consensus with IMAP users seems to be that IMAP is still too far from finished for focus to be moved away from it. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.51.3 Pro /thebat version env. ~12 POP3, 4 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
On Friday, 15 July 2005 at 09:40 AM, Marek Mikus wrote: [+] IMAP: colour groups support How does the internal structure look like? Does this mean I can set flags on the server an TB! will recognize them and apply them to the corresponding colour group? Thanks. -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Could not connect to IMAP server in TLS
Friday, July 15, 2005, 9:43:18 AM, you wrote: please attach error message from log too. *** Session started : 15/07/2005 00:49:33, 00:49:33 S: !! Could not connect toserver.com This is the only line in the incoming IMAP log. When I switch back, to 3.51, everything fine. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cryptologie.com PGP FingerPrint 4252 4FE6 F29B E385 291D 99F3 FC0D 2058 CBB8 4573 The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Friday, July 15, 2005, 9:43:18 AM This message was scan by McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.0.0.912 Engine 4.4.00 / Dat 4.0.4535 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
9 [+] UI: Possibility to extract single items for customizations Maybe I misunderstood, but how can I assign a shortcut to a specific color group? This statement above means that I can do that, right? If yes, how? I am using filters with shortcuts now, as a workaround. -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello Marek, What's happened to the promised focus on IMAP problems? 9Val did't included them in changelog: .. [-] IMAP: sometimes drafts are not superceeded Still buggy. [-] IMAP: auto connection/disconnection Disconnection after x sec does not work. [-] IMAP: counters fixes It is improved, that is true. -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
I have an idea that these unicode/localization issues will take over for a few months at least. I do hope you're wrong Gleason, because I'm running out of patience with TB. Given that Mulberry is working so well with IMAP day-to-day I'm seriously considering not reinstalling TB when I restore my installation next month. -- Clive Taylor Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
--On 15/07/2005 09:40 +0200 Marek wrote: 9Val did't included them in changelog: Perhaps that indicates Ritlab's priorities. -- Clive Taylor Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Clive, I have an idea that these unicode/localization issues will take over for a few months at least. I do hope you're wrong Gleason, because I'm running out of patience with TB. Given that Mulberry is working so well with IMAP day-to-day I'm seriously considering not reinstalling TB when I restore my installation next month. A hunch. I look at TB's runaway tasks. It seems that TB has no idea what tasks are already running and starts the same thing again. Sometimes tens of times. Then I look at Eudora's task manager (mulberry doesn't have one, so I can't compare). None of that duplication happens. Eudora makes one simple pass through its tasks and doesn't trip over itself or get clogged. It is true that Eudora lacks some things that Mulberry has, but it does have a Bayesian filter that works very well with IMAP. Anyway, it seems to me that the folks at RIT are not thinking well about the best way to interact with an IMAP server. Optimization, planning what is needed and when is the best time to do it once only. I hate to shake my head and walk away, but I might join you in time. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Could not connect to IMAP server in TLS
Hello Damien, Friday, July 15, 2005, 2:03:19, you wrote: With the last version (3.51.3), I could not connect to IMAP server in TLS. Could you please give me your server's host name so I could try what were wrong? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Could not connect to IMAP server in TLS
Hello Damien, Friday, July 15, 2005, 11:03:58, you wrote: S: !! Could not connect toserver.com This is the only line in the incoming IMAP log. When I switch back, to 3.51, everything fine. Could you please send the account log as well, not only the IMAPTRACE log? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Could not connect to IMAP server in TLS
Hello Marek, Friday, July 15, 2005, 10:43:18, you wrote: please attach error message from log too. We've just found a bug in The Bat! and now it should connect to that server. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
On 2005-07-15 at 00:15:30 9Val wrote: [-] (#0004671) Subject text is jumping. Could you please also fix this for all other text fields in the message editor? :) Right as I'm composing this message, the To field is jumped, as in the attached screenshot. jump!.png Description: PNG image pgpiKmcRZdcAp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hi Marek, MM 9Val did't included them in changelog: MM [-] IMAP: 'Can't store message' on message sent MM [-] IMAP: sometimes drafts are not superceeded MM [*] IMAP: some optimizations on work in selected folder MM [-] IMAP: auto connection/disconnection MM [-] IMAP: counters fixes MM [+] IMAP: colour groups support I haven't included, because they are not finished completely yet. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Two fixed with 3.51.3
Hi list Two of my reported or confirmed bugs in BT are gone with 3.51.3 - thanks a lot... Fixed: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4813 Fixed: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4676 Not fixed: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4329 Not fixed: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4635 Not fixed: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4329 Not fixed: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2456 -- Best regards, Martin TheBat! 3.51.3 Pro on Windows 98 4 10 A pgpCRh3Cj1Nls.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.3: UI change
Hello Stuart, check Hidden item to hide second one. I can hide the one I just created Hm...I just made the same steps, and I doublechecked it: Hide Item is selected with my new Display Only Unread Messages item, but it does not hide: it's still visible in the menu... Do I have to restart TB! or what am I doing wrong? -- Martin TB! 3.51.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51: VFs still don't refresh properly
Hello Matt, Not always, but enough times, VFs are not refreshed even though they are set to 'Auto-refresh'. Confirmed. It is not constant, but every so often I'll need to do a manual refresh on a few of my virtual folders. Other times, it works as expected. No, it doesn't always happen but I have seen it again just now. A VF that just looks for messages of a certain colour group in just one folder. I have assigned a couple of messages to that colour group and the VF did not display them until I did a manual refresh. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.51 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello. problem with koi-8r still present. i cant replay correctly to message with character set koi-8r (wrong characters in new message). -- Best regards, Den V. Yafyasov. The Bat! v3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello 9Val, Thursday, July 14, 2005, 11:15:30 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Just had a hang on start. With the BayesIt splash screen. I will continue to use for the moment. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 3.51.3 On Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition Build 3790 (Service Pack 1) Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello Edvinas, and Maxim, 9Val, Stefan, and all Beta Testers and Development Team! OK, new encountered utf-8 related issues. I am replying to this message using copy-and-paste, because the bug in issue 2) bit me when I clicked the Reply button. :) Supplying quote indicators ( ) manually. 1) Switching between Plain Text MicroEd to Plain Text Windows looses all text in case when charset of message being edited is utf-8. All other charsets seems to work. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4906 Confirmed. I have added a note in BT. 2) When default editor is MicroEd and reply is made to utf-8 message no quotes are inserted, just an empty window appears. I think that this behaviour is caused by the same bug which causes utf-8 text to dissapear when switching between MicroEd and windows style plain text editor. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 Confirmed. I have also added a supporting note to this report in BT. Quoting below by copy-and-paste, also. Too inconvenient to supply quotes indicator line-by-line, however, so I'm setting the quote off with a horizontal separator: Begin CP Not fixed issues: 3) ISO-8859-4 is used as Baltic ISO. ISO-8859-4 is obsolete and replaced by ISO-8859-13. ISO-8859-13 mapping to unicode can be found at http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-13.TXT Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4908 4) Mail ticker is able to display only characters from default windows locale. For example my locale is windows-1257 and all cyrillic letters in Mail ticker are displayed as question marks ? Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4708 5) Character display in header view has problems. Cyrillic letters are not displayed when message encoding is utf-8, koi8-r, iso-8859-5. However when message encoding is windows-1251, all cyrillic characters are displayed correctly. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4909 6) When message is composed in utf-8, then it is saved and then reopened for editing, all my 8 bit characters are gone. Problem happens during opening of saved message, because saved message contains all characters. Guess it is related to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4904 7) MicroEd does not allow to enter characters outside default windows locale even when I set charset to utf-. Foir example I can't input cyrillic characters in MicroEd when charset is set to utf-8. However I can enter cyrillic letters when I set to koi8-r, iso-8859-5 or windows-1251. I think it is because MicroEd does not have unicode support. Anyeay, Windows style editing sucks would it be possible to add unicode support to MicroEd? 8) Russian letters turn into ? when I move between header fields during message composition. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4910 Fixed issues 9) Plain text windows editor does not allow to enter cyrillic letters at all. Doesn't matter what character is set. End CP I did not test the Cyrillic or the Russian characters issues but have no doubt whatsoever that these deficiencies exist. Issue no. 6) I confirm. It is happening with this reply. Further Issue: MicroEd failed to use my Reply template when I clicked the Reply button. I have had to type in my greeting and signature manually. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat Pro 3.51.3 (no OTFE) POP3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
7/15/2005 7:22 AM Hi Mary, On 7/15/2005 Mary Bull wrote: OK, new encountered utf-8 related issues. 1) Switching between Plain Text MicroEd to Plain Text Windows looses all text in case when charset of message being edited is utf-8. All other charsets seems to work. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4906 2) When default editor is MicroEd and reply is made to utf-8 message no quotes are inserted, just an empty window appears. I think that this behaviour is caused by the same bug which causes utf-8 text to dissapear when switching between MicroEd and windows style plain text editor. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 MB Further Issue: MB MicroEd failed to use my Reply template when I clicked the Reply MB button. I have had to type in my greeting and signature manually. Since I am a database application programmer, I have been sympathetic to the challenges faced by RL in totally remaking the UI while attempting to retain compatibility. However, I am now convinced they have one, or more, serious flaws in their methodology, program object structure and/or methods of testing programming changes. One of the things I have learned is that it is quite often much better to start from scratch that to keep putting Band-Aids on the wounds of old code. When the functionality of an object gets broken by revisions to another object there is something fundamentally wrong with the programming model being implemented. The guys at RL seem to be beating their heads against the wall for little or no rewards. Maybe it is time to look critically at what is happening and establish a new model for programming the new The Bat! As my signature shows, I have found no version later that 3.0.2.10 to be stable enough for the work I do on a daily basis. Most of this version 3 stuff reminds me of using POCO. I simply cannot afford it. I have all my customers using 2.12 until something better that the performance and stability of 3.0.2.10 becomes available. Customers with very simple needs or those challenged by using computers generally are using FoxMail 5 simply because it is possible to teach them to be successful without making the training a lifelong process. I still feel for the guys at RL. Hopefully, they can examine their current methodology to find why it isn't achieving the desired results and have the courage to make the necessary changes. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Search hangs
Roelof, Thursday, July 14, 2005, 12:27:26 PM, you wrote: RO Folder - Maintenance - Check all folders and all options - Start SPV I'm afraid to activate one option: SPV ( ) Purge old/exceeding messages SPV I cannot find a definition of what TheBat! considers SPV old and I do not recognize that usage of 'exceeding'. RO That depends on your folder settings. RO You can indicate in the folder properties how many messages you want RO to keep or for how long. When done so and you start purging then TB RO will keep those numbers in mind and act accordingly. Thanks, I have some folders that would definitely benefit from those settings (but not the ones I cannot search, in those I only want messages to be deleted when I delete them). SPV But after running maintenance with the other three SPV TheBat! saved over 200MB, but search still hangs SPV completely in at least one of my folders. RO Is it always the same folder where it hangs? Yes, there are a few folders where search hangs. In most of my folders search works just fine. Unfortunately, the problem occurs in the two I most often want/need to search. -- Steve Valliere | tb3.51 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello Paul! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 6:44 AM, you wrote: ... As my signature shows, I have found no version later that 3.0.2.10 to be stable enough for the work I do on a daily basis. Most of this version 3 stuff reminds me of using POCO. I simply cannot afford it. I have all my customers using 2.12 until something better that the performance and stability of 3.0.2.10 becomes available. Customers with very simple needs or those challenged by using computers generally are using FoxMail 5 simply because it is possible to teach them to be successful without making the training a lifelong process. ... I completely sympathize with your point of view. If all I wanted was a reliable e-mail client, I would still be using 3.0.2.10 myself. (I like the 3.xx series almost solely because of its simpler filter-creation process; regular expressions stymied me in the 1.xx and 2.xx series.) I don't have to use TB! in a business environment or to make a living with. So I have the luxury of enjoying the puzzle-solving aspect of beta testing. Further, I have learned. in the short time I've been a member of the Bat community, how to protect myself with back-ups. TB! is the most enjoyable and useable and safe e-mail client that I've ever had on my machine. (Never used POCO or Incredimail-- lol .) Began (because of my knowledgeable daughter-in-law) with Eudora Pro 4.0, ran OE for a short time before moving to The Bat!, tried Pegasus for a few days when my very first download of TB! was a corrupted one and I didn't have the skills to understand what to do about it. Then I settled down with v. 1.61 and have never looked back. I am totally committed to The Bat! and I do keep my faith in its developers. But then, I am a woman in love. ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat Pro 3.51.3 (no OTFE) POP3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hi Edvinas 2) When default editor is MicroEd and reply is made to utf-8 message no quotes are inserted, just an empty window appears. I think that this behaviour is caused by the same bug which causes utf-8 text to dissapear when switching between MicroEd and windows style plain text editor. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 Confirmed, and very nasty it is, too. Have added a supporting note. At least the character set remains UTF-8. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.3 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Certificate problem with TLS (was: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available)
Hi 9Val and list, On Friday, July 15, 2005 at 01:15:30 GMT +0300 (which was 00:15 where I live) 9Val wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available from: Downloaded and installed it, no problem at startup, but then it happend: !15.07.2005, 14:11:19: FETCH - TLS-Handshakefehler. Ungültiges Serverzertifikat (The certificate cannot be used for this purpose). via a TLS encrypted connection to my POP3 server. A real show-stopper. BTW: didn't try a TLS smtp connection, one show stopper is enough! so back to 3.51.0.0 -- regards Michael Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hæ! Friday, July 15, 2005, 09:13, Edvinas Matiušaitis wrote: 2) When default editor is MicroEd and reply is made to utf-8 message no quotes are inserted, just an empty window appears. I think that this behaviour is caused by the same bug which causes utf-8 text to dissapear when switching between MicroEd and windows style plain text editor. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 Hmmmh, I cannot really confirm this behaviour (I followed the steps how to reproduce it and changed all charsets to UTF-8). If I reply to your message it automatically is set to WINDOWS-1252 (I see from my dropdown menu, no charset is selected). Even after restoring my old default charset and activating my own macro CHARSET=ISO-8859-15 in my reply template does not override this. I now have to manually select the charset in the dropdown menu. -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.51.3 Professional K9 v1.28 | Windows XP Pro (v5.1.2600) Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Certificate problem with TLS
Dear Peter, @15-Jul-2005, 14:31 +0200 (15-Jul 13:31 UK time) Peter Hampf [PH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Michael: MG via a TLS encrypted connection to my POP3 server. PH hmm. Strange, it works here. Max has confirmed, found and fixed this bug. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpScsBFH4qdV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hæ! Friday, July 15, 2005, 14:34, Thorvald Neumann wrote: If I reply to your message it automatically is set to WINDOWS-1252 (I see from my dropdown menu, no charset is selected). Even after restoring my old default charset and activating my own macro CHARSET=ISO-8859-15 in my reply template does not override this. I now have to manually select the charset in the dropdown menu. I found out why... There seems to be a bug. I have a adressbook group template for TB-mailinglists. When opening the properties, the dropdown When writing messages, always use character set always sets back to none, regardless of the charset you select, after clicking ok. -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.51.3 Professional K9 v1.28 | Windows XP Pro (v5.1.2600) Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello Thorvald! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 7:34 AM, you wrote: Hmmmh, I cannot really confirm this behaviour (I followed the steps how to reproduce it and changed all charsets to UTF-8). When I reply to a message, TB! seems to use the quoted charset in my Edit Mail Message window (using MicroEd as editor, here). I see this in the status bar at the bottom of the window. The behavior Edvinas describes in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . issue number 2, and further describes in BT https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 , is completely and always reproduced on my machine. It raises the question: How are your settings and environment different from mine and from those of Edvinas? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello Thorvald! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 7:41 AM, you wrote: I found out why... There seems to be a bug. Ah. Okay. So just disregard my reply to your previous post. Does this mean that you can confirm the behavior described in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 ? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Certificate problem with TLS
Dear Peter, @15-Jul-2005, 14:47 +0200 (15-Jul 13:47 UK time) Peter Hampf [PH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP Max has confirmed, found and fixed this bug. PH Good! PH But it would really be of interest for me to know, why it works PH with some servers and certificates while it doesn't with others. Because some certificates have duality of purpose and a bug introduced in this version rejects such certificates AIUI. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpzObHwFu1xQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello Thorvald, On Friday, July 15, 2005, at 15:41, you wrote: TN I have a adressbook group template for TB-mailinglists. When opening TN the properties, the dropdown When writing messages, always use TN character set always sets back to none, regardless of the charset TN you select, after clicking ok. Confirmed. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.51.3 with BayesIt! 0.8.1 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hæ! Friday, July 15, 2005, 14:49, Mary Bull wrote: When I reply to a message, TB! seems to use the quoted charset in my Edit Mail Message window (using MicroEd as editor, here). I see this in the status bar at the bottom of the window. I am using MicorEd, too. I normally override the sender's charset with a macro which sets my charset to Latin 9 (CHARSET=ISO-8859-15). But now, that I disabled the one setting I mentioned in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and set my macro to utf-8, the window appears indeed blank. :) -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.51.3 Professional K9 v1.28 | Windows XP Pro (v5.1.2600) Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hæ! Friday, July 15, 2005, 15:28, Edvinas Matiušaitis wrote: Confirmed. Ok, I reported it: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4911 -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.51.3 Professional K9 v1.28 | Windows XP Pro (v5.1.2600) Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
Hello Thorvald! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 8:32 AM, you wrote: I normally override the sender's charset with a macro which sets my charset to Latin 9 (CHARSET=ISO-8859-15). Is that the macro between your parentheses above? I'd like to put it in my own mailing-list templates as a work-around. I should just copy-and-paste it (minus the parenteses) ? But now, that I disabled the one setting I mentioned in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and set my macro to utf-8, the window appears indeed blank. :) Good. Makes the bug hunt less complicated. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51.3: UI change
Hello Martin, Friday, July 15, 2005, 4:33:53 AM, you wrote: MS Hm...I just made the same steps, and I doublechecked it: Hide Item MS is selected with my new Display Only Unread Messages item, but it MS does not hide: it's still visible in the menu... MS Do I have to restart TB! or what am I doing wrong? Yes I had not tried it before and you are correct that it will not hide the new shortcut. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Search hangs
Hallo Steven, On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:04:51 -0400GMT (15-7-2005, 14:04 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO Is it always the same folder where it hangs? SPV Yes, there are a few folders where search hangs. In most In that case I suggest that you create new folders and move all messages to those new folders. Afterwards you quit TB and move the messages.tbb and messages.tbi from your new folders to your old folders. See whether that helps. -- Groetjes, Roelof PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms. The Bat! 3.51.3 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp2Zq2eb789g.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Problem invoking Connection Centre/also in sending to domain dutaint
Hello Everyone! For about 10 minutes Connection Centre would not appear when I clicked on the Receive New Mail button. I closed and relaunched The Bat!, same situation remained. Now, suddenly it cleared itself. However, in the interim I composed a post to the list describing the problem. When I tried to send it, I got an error report: Server reports error. Domain dutaint.co.id does not accept mail from local host. Repeated the sending and received the same error report 4 times. This is a test to see if that problem still exists. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Problem invoking Connection Centre/also in sending to domain dutaint
Hello Mary! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 9:49 AM, you wrote: ... Connection Centre would not appear [then] suddenly it cleared itself. ... When I tried to send [a post reporting the problem] ... I got an error report: Server reports error. Domain dutaint.co.id does not accept mail from local host. ... This is a test to see if that problem still exists. It does not. The message went quite normally. So perhaps this is a problem of my ISP, Comcast, and not of TB! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Problem invoking Connection Centre/also in sending to domain dutaint
7/15/2005 11:19 AM Hi Mary, On 7/15/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB Hello Mary! MB On Friday, July 15, 2005, 9:49 AM, you wrote: ... When I tried to send [a post reporting the problem] ... I got an error report: Server reports error. Domain dutaint.co.id does not accept mail from local host. ... MB It does not. The message went quite normally. MB So perhaps this is a problem of my ISP, Comcast, and not of TB! More likely the host for the forum was temporarily blocking Comcast due to the amount of SPAM received from the Comcast server. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Search hangs
Roelof, Friday, July 15, 2005, 10:43:18 AM, you wrote: RO Is it always the same folder where it hangs? SPV Yes, there are a few folders where search hangs. In most RO In that case I suggest that you create new folders and move all RO messages to those new folders. Afterwards you quit TB and move the RO messages.tbb and messages.tbi from your new folders to your old RO folders. RO See whether that helps. Nope. I tried one that has no subfolders and one that has three. Search still hangs in both. If it helps anyone, the progress bar looks like it might be exactly 50% complete when it hangs. I'm going to get and install 3.51.3 to see if it is any better, but I doubt this issue has been addressed. -- Steve Valliere | tb3.51 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Search hangs
Hello all, Friday, July 15, 2005, Steven P Valliere wrote: I'm going to get and install 3.51.3 to see if it is any better, but I doubt this issue has been addressed. Max wrote, this will be addressed during two months, it looks like new searching system is not fully optimised. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Search hangs
Nope. 3.51.3 didn't change the search behavior for me. But I did notice that the 'stop' button works until the progress bar gets to the hung (at 50%) point. It seems that TheBat! is getting confused by one of the messages. Maybe there's a strange encoding that is causing TB to get stuck? -- Steve Valliere | tb3.51.3 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Ctrl+F5 and F4 not working
Hi all, I tried to reply to a message in another group with Ctrl+F5 there were no quotes. When I tried F4 the message was blank??? -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.51.3 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpovGCyitrYc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Ctrl+F5 and F4 not working
On Friday, July 15, 2005, 12:21:22 PM, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: I tried to reply to a message in another group with Ctrl+F5 there were no quotes. When I tried F4 the message was blank??? check your templates, because it's working fine here. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.3 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Ctrl+F5 and F4 not working
Hello Henk! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 12:21 PM, you wrote: I tried to reply to a message in another group with Ctrl+F5 there were no quotes. When I tried F4 the message was blank??? See http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 This bug was found, reported, and confirmed on the list, early this morning. Could you put a supporting note on the BT issue report? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Ctrl+F5 and F4 not working
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, at 12:27:58 [GMT -0500] (which was 19:27 where I live) Mary Bull wrote: Hello Mary, ...snip This bug was found, reported, and confirmed on the list, early this morning. Could you put a supporting note on the BT issue report? Done. -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.51.3 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpxOKzKSDBve.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Problem with character sets and Quick Templates
Hello, I use a Quick Template with the %ABTOHANDLE parameter in the subject field of certain emails that I send in Greek. The %ABTOHANDLE information is intended to be picked up from an Addressbook containing information in Greek. My Regional settings in Windows is set to English. The messages sent with this arrangement do not show the Greek name as per the Addressbook entry. They show random English characters including ?. If I change the Regional settings to Greek, then the Addressbook entry is correctly shown in the Subject field. This only happens in the Subject field, and not in the message body. Is there a solution to this issue, other than having to change the Regional settings every time that I want to send this kind of message? -- Best regards, Costas Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hi All, The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] IMAP : remote Outbox working (errors on compose, drafts) [-] IMAP : autodisconnection fixes [-] SMIME : problems with certificates [-] Other : Conversion of headers in the message editor was performed too often [-] Other : Jumping text in header fields should be gone [-] (#0004906) Text is lost while switching between MicroEd and Windows style editor (in utf-8) [-] (#0004907) Empty message window during reply to an UTF-8 message [-] (#0004912) Replying to HTML in ISO charset was corrupting national chars [-] (#0004907) Empty message window during reply -- 9Val Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hi 9Val, The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ That's good to know but I cannot login to that site any more. I've read in this group that others have the same problem. -- Regards Michael Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hallo 9Val, On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:49:29 +0300GMT (15-7-2005, 21:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: 9 The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ When I click on the download link for 3.51.4 I get a '404 - HTTP not found' -- Groetjes, Roelof Cleanliness is next to clean-limbed, in the dictionary. The Bat! 3.51.3 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp66LkPkSN8N.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
On Friday, July 15, 2005, 3:10:36 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: 9 The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ When I click on the download link for 3.51.4 I get a '404 - HTTP not found' I had no problem. Just did it again. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.4 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hello 9Val, Friday, July 15, 2005, 8:49:29 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ getting a 404 error from the link. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
On Friday, July 15, 2005, 3:17:14 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: When I click on the download link for 3.51.4 I get a '404 - HTTP not found' I had no problem. Just did it again. Well, I didn't read close enough. I did have no problem, but when take the to the download now I do get the 404. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.4 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Michael Mlinaric wrote: Hi 9Val, The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ That's good to know but I cannot login to that site any more. I've read in this group that others have the same problem. I didn't have any problem logging in to that site.Here is the direct link to download it. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb3514.rar -- Best Regards, Michael Pick up,Dingy! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
I wish you, that, 9Val! I have seen your words to All On a subject The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available, Which went to me during 1 ìèí 13 ñåê. 9 The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ I don't need this file! -- :devil: Ave Satanas!, Abaddon from Hell e-mail: izakaron[dog]gmail.com WEB: www.hatebreeders.tk - Russian Dark Music Web-Zone And if there is a drop of compassion it is possible to put money to me on E-Gold account 1701334 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hi David, DE getting a 404 error from the link. It should be available now -- 9Val Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hello 9Val! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 2:49 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Getting a 404 error. Is the download still available? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hello 9Val! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 2:49 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Disregard my previous post, please. I have the download on my machine. Off to install it. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hello Mary, Friday, July 15, 2005, 10:20:05 PM, you wrote: Getting a 404 error. Is the download still available? No problem over here. -- Best regards, Martin TheBat! 3.51.4 Pro on Windows 98 4 10 A Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hello 9Val, On 7/15/2005, 02:49 PM, you scribbled: 9 Hi All, 9 The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Well, it starts fine... See how it goes. -- Sawadee, Mike :flag-us-tx: :flag-thailand: Using TB! 3.51.4 Home on Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
On Friday, July 15, 2005, at 22:10:36 [UTC+0200] (Friday, July 15, 2005 22:10 my local time) Roelof Otten wrote: 9 The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ When I click on the download link for 3.51.4 I get a '404 - HTTP not found' I downloaded it fifteen minutes ago and it is running now. Regarding bugs: [-] (#0004907) Empty message window during reply to an UTF-8 message It seems that this is fixed. Incidentally I observed something strange: Recently all UTF-8 encoded messages are displayed in preview pane as rich text view. I searched suchg messages to check if the bug is corrected and all found messages were displayed as plain text view, but with double characters instead UTF-8 ones. Manual change of encoding to UTF-8 in search panel gives good result: message is displayed in PTV with correct characters. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.51.4 in OTFE mode with BayesIt! 0.8.1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hello 9Val! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 2:49 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ I have it up and running and have been doing a bit of testing to see whether the problem described in http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4904 might possibly have acquired a serendipitous fix in the fixing of 4906 and 4907. Unfortunately, not. In moving from an Edit Mail Message window Reply, which had been set up in the folder where the original message was, to the Outbox, the word hillside became hillsd. This happened while still in PTV, in the Edit Mail Message window. I'm going to start keeping a log of the exact charsets involved and the exact letters which are dropped, when this happens. Maybe I can overcome my perception of its randomness and find a pattern. Here is a short list of changes: ... [-] (#0004906) Text is lost while switching between MicroEd and Windows style editor (in utf-8) Confirm fixed. Thanks. :) [-] (#0004907) Empty message window during reply to an UTF-8 message Confirm fixed. *Many Thanks*, indeed. :) ... [-] (#0004907) Empty message window during reply Same as above. Many thanks for the prompt fix. :thankyou: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
TheBat!3.51.4isnowavailablefrom: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ That'sgoodtoknowbutIcannotlogintothatsiteanymore.I've readinthisgroupthatothershavethesameproblem. Worked for me just now. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.51.4onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail IMAPserverwhichusesCyrus. Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
9Val, The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ So far, this looks like a good version. Message views come right up, no blank screens. Will look for the AV's when opening a reply screen that I got with the last one. I did get 100+ duplicate server interactions when TB first opened, but they all cleared in a couple of minutes. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Zygmunt, Yes, that is what I have been trying to describe. On Friday, July 15, 2005, at 14:24:02 [UTC-0700] (Friday, July 15, 2005 23:24 my local time) Gleason Pace wrote: Worked for me just now. I used your message in HTML format for testing purposes. My default editor is MicroEd and I switched it to HTML to test reply. Then I got AV error: Access violation at address 00967F53 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0014. After clicking OK the message body was empty. Switching again to MicroEd and all text re-appeared. So, the bug Empty message window during reply (#0004907) or similar is not clearly fixed. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hello Peter! On Friday, July 15, 2005, 4:19 PM, you wrote: MM That's good to know but I cannot login to that site any more. I've MM read in this group that others have the same problem. I'm still getting an Access denied response (using FF or IE), even after creating a new account. Sorry about your continuing troubles. Did you see this mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? CP- Here is the direct link to download it. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb3514.rar End CP- -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Hello 9Val, Friday, July 15, 2005, 9:22:06 PM, you wrote: Hi David, DE getting a 404 error from the link. It should be available now It is. Thanks -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
On Friday, July 15, 2005 at 2:49:29 PM [GMT -0500], 9val wrote: [-] IMAP : remote Outbox working (errors on compose, drafts) This one seems fixed at least in part. I no longer get that error when drafts are being saved to the server side Outbox. Sending didn't cause any errors either and the outbox eventually settled down on not having any messages in it after sending my message. I'll see how things go while using a server side Outbox over a prolonged period. Thanks for the ongoing effort. It's appreciated. :) -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.51.4 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- The media finally figured out that their paying customers (i.e. advertisers) don't WANT an intelligent, thoughtful audience. And they no longer have one. (Rich Tietjens) Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: HTML use (was: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)
Hallo Gleason, On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:24:02 -0700GMT (15-7-2005, 23:24 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GP Worked for me just now. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Gleason. ' Please do not send HTML messages to the list except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderators R Us. pgpzI4jV2qBcQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)
Hallo Gleason, On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:39:09 -0700GMT (15-7-2005, 23:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GP Yes, still getting AV errors when trying to reply to certain messages. GP It will happen every time I try to reply to that message. Replies to GP other messages are not affected. The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Gleason. ' This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Bother! said Pooh, and he twit filtered his moderator. pgpMc1vI7kxIw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
On Friday, July 15, 2005 at 4:48:00 PM [GMT -0500], -=Curtis=- wrote: I'll see how things go while using a server side Outbox over a prolonged period. The message I'm now replying to was sent, but a copy remained in the Outbox with no copy being placed in the Sent folder. Apparently, there was failure of the moving of the copy to the Sent folder. I eventually had to move it manually. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.51.4 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- Black Holes were created when God divided by zero. Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Friday, July 15, 2005, 3:29:58 PM, (Internet Time - @895) you wrote: Hello Mike and 9Val, MR Hello 9Val, MR MR On 7/15/2005, 02:49 PM, you scribbled: 9 Hi All, 9 The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ MR Well, it starts fine... See how it goes. Everything is working for me, so far. Haven't started checking other's problems yet, but running smooth so far... -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.51.4 Windows XP Professional/5.1 Service Pack 2 (build 2600) on a Single/Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available
Friday, July 15, 2005, 3:14:43 PM, (Internet Time - @885) you wrote: Hello Peter, PH Answering a current message (Friday, July 15, 2005, 22:10) PH Good evening Roelof, RO When I click on the download link for 3.51.4 I get a '404 - HTTP not found' PH It seems they have removed it ... . I've got it at 21:59 GMT+2, PH but now it's not PH available anymore... Hmmm I just downloaded it now at 00:02 GMT (16 July 2005). Maybe I haven't read far enough to see if it has been fixed. Peter's message was like 2 hours ago. So maybe it is fixed now. -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.51.4 Windows XP Professional/5.1 Service Pack 2 (build 2600) on a Single/Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
