Re: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Clive Taylor
 Any validity to this theory or is it completely out to lunch?

I can't confirm Stuart. I use the same servers and mail service that
Curtis does but I don't filter all my mail from my Inbox and, at the
moment, it contains over 2,000 messages. I do use FastMail's serverside
filtering as much as possible and all of my 20 or so folders are
viewed in TB as threaded. I don't synchronise any of them in TB.

I don't know where that leaves things except, as I've already said,
Ritlabs appear to have changed something in the architecture of the
prog in this beta that has solved the performance problems for me
here. Strange!


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3.60.xx IMAP: Problem with drafts not being deleted returns

2005-08-25 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Hello beta testers.

 I this beta series I have had several instances where drafts in the
 remote outbox are not deleted when a new version is auto-saved. Even
 when the message is sent, there remains a number of previous versions
 there as parked versions. This is for Exchange and MailMax. Anyone else
 seeing this?

 Also, I still have hanging, locked connections that hold up the rest
 of the connection queue. When this connection is deleted, all the rest
 spring to life and behave as supposed to. Primarily noticed this on
 Exchange.

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Re: The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) is now available

2005-08-25 Thread MAU
Hello Peter,

9 [*] Other: right alignment of name column in message header pane

 Thank you. I really like this better. And I thought the left alignment
 had been intentional... sigh of relief :))

Then I'd bet you 'suffer' a lot when composing messages, because headers
in editor window have always been left aligned ;-)

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Re: The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) is now available

2005-08-25 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello MAU,

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

M Then I'd bet you 'suffer' a lot when composing messages, because headers
M in editor window have always been left aligned

It's strange what you get used to isn't it? I suppose the message
headers are more noticeable because oyu look at them almost every time
you read a message and they are there 24/7 (as long as the PC is on and
you are using it of course) whereas the editor is opened on a very
irregular basis so it's not so noticeable. For instance, although it
stares you in the face, I hadn't noticed the discrepancy until you wrote
that message!

Anyway, there are far more important things in life. Can't think of one
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Re[2]: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Paul Van Noord
8/25/2005  6:57 AM

Hi Clive,

On 8/25/2005 Clive Taylor wrote:

CT I can't confirm Stuart. I use the same servers and mail service that
CT Curtis does but I don't filter all my mail from my Inbox and, at the
CT moment, it contains over 2,000 messages. I do use FastMail's serverside
CT filtering as much as possible and all of my 20 or so folders are
CT viewed in TB as threaded. I don't synchronise any of them in TB.

I am not an IMAP user because I have developed a system of POP
management that works well for me. However, in following the IMAP
threads for many months one thing seems incongruous to me and may
help explain some of the various levels of success.

It seems to me that server-side filtering should be the primary method
of filtering and only client-side sub-filtering when truly necessary.
If all the filtering is done on the client one of the major advantages
of IMAP is ignored. Server-side filtering _has_ to be much more
efficient. Since IMAP adds another management layer it becomes real
important to understand and properly implement the filters on both
sides. Your approach to this seems the most logical to me.

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Re: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Clive Taylor
 Your approach to this seems the most logical to me.

And to me! The real advantage is that whether I choose to view my mail
using TB, another client or the server's web interface, all the
folders are identical, all achieved without putting strain on my
computer.

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Re[2]: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Clive,
Thursday, August 25, 2005, 1:31:15 AM, you wrote:

 Any validity to this theory or is it completely out to lunch?

CT I can't confirm Stuart. I use the same servers and mail service that
CT Curtis does but I don't filter all my mail from my Inbox and, at the
CT moment, it contains over 2,000 messages. I do use FastMail's serverside
CT filtering as much as possible and all of my 20 or so folders are
CT viewed in TB as threaded. I don't synchronise any of them in TB.

I guess the difference here is that you have no sync set. As I said it
seems to be the syncing along with filtering that really slows things
down. The only reason I have gone back to syncing my TB folder is so
when I select a message it shows up almost instantly now.

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Re: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Curtis
On Wednesday, August 24, 2005, at 01:53 PM, Stuart Cuddy
wrote:

 If you look under this you will see Manage IMAP Folders. This is
 where I have turned off all Syncronization. I'm not sure what this
 will do with the server software you are connected to, but here it
 seems to speed things up to have sync turned off.

 I don't understand why this should be as I would have thought that by
 syncronizing headers and body everything would be waiting for you to
 read when you select the folder you want to read.

When you set TB! to synchronise, it will spend a lot of its bandwidth
and connection doing autosync's. This is all too often at the expense
of a request for a message body that you may have. Your message body
request is often stuck in a long queue of requests concerning
synchronizing of other folders you're not interested in at that
particular moment.

So the overall effect is that if you just download what you need as
you go along, TB! is a lot more responsive.

A lot of the apps that supposedly speed up browsing works similarly.
They download other pages on the site in the background. However, this
is often at the expense of the speed of download of a page you may
wish to view at a particular time.

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Re: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Curtis
On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 06:06 AM, Paul Van Noord
wrote:

 It seems to me that server-side filtering should be the primary method
 of filtering and only client-side sub-filtering when truly necessary.

Correct! This is what I do and I've been without performance issues
for a long time. Only the odd message or so requires a TB! filter.

 If all the filtering is done on the client one of the major advantages
 of IMAP is ignored. Server-side filtering _has_ to be much more
 efficient.

Indeed it is. Not to mention the fact that it saves you the trouble of
having to maintain multiple filter sets across multiple TB! or other
client installations.

 Since IMAP adds another management layer it becomes real
 important to understand and properly implement the filters on both
 sides. Your approach to this seems the most logical to me.

Agreed.

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Re: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Curtis
On Wednesday, August 24, 2005, at 04:17 PM, Stuart Cuddy
wrote:

 OK, new theory. I had turned off synchronization completely and
 everything seemed to run a bit more smoothly. Only problem was every
 time I clicked on a message it had to be downloaded before I could
 read it. Even with high speed this slowed things down.

That much? I find the performance hit using synchronisation is
greater. Here, loading a message body typically takes about 1 second
if that much. The larger bodies (HTML etc.) take under 5 seconds or
rarely go above that.

 I have been reading Guru Curtis (alias Allie) about how he filters
 everything out of his inbox to avoid problems with the constant
 changes in the inbox. Also noted that he does server side filtering.

Gary doesn't filter all messages from his Inbox and his major problems
have disappeared. My not keeping messages in the Inbox is a personal
habit of mine taken from POP. The side-effect was that the IMAP
problems while working with a busy Inbox didn't affect me. Anyway, the
point is now moot since that issue seems to have been laid to rest..
finally. :)

 Well being the rogue that I are, (and the fact that I am testing) I
 decided I would have everything filter to my TB folder as well as do
 some color grouping, but only using TB's filtering features.

Does colour grouping really work? Is it saved server side so that you
can appreciate it across multiple TB! installations?

 With this setup and synchronization set for all folders everything was
 bogging down.

I can well imagine.

 My theory here is that it would sync to my inbox then color change
 and move and then unsync from my inbox and then sync with my TB
 folder. All these steps were slowing things down.

Another way your filters can bog down TB! is if you're searching for
strings in the message body. So TB! will filter only when the message
bodies are retrieved.

 My new setting, is to only sync All Messages in TB folder and things
 are much faster now as my messages do not have to sync with the Inbox
 along the way. Any validity to this theory or is it completely out to
 lunch?

I think you're right on this. The less folders you set to sync at
intervals, the better the overall performance.

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Ctrl+Ins doesn't allways work when copying text to clipboard from RTV

2005-08-25 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello,
manytimes when I select HTML message, mark some text, hit Ctrl+Ins and
paste it via Shift+Ins into TB's Microed editor, previously stored
text in clipboard is pasted, not last one.

Anybody can confirm?

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Re: Ctrl+Ins doesn't allways work when copying text to clipboard from RTV

2005-08-25 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Thursday, August 25, 2005, Marek Mikus wrote:

 manytimes when I select HTML message, mark some text, hit Ctrl+Ins and
 paste it via Shift+Ins into TB's Microed editor, previously stored
 text in clipboard is pasted, not last one.

 Anybody can confirm?

seems like Ctr+C and Ctrl+V works always.

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Re: Ctrl+Ins doesn't allways work when copying text to clipboard from RTV

2005-08-25 Thread Vili
Hello Marek,

 manytimes when I select HTML message, mark some text, hit Ctrl+Ins and
 paste it via Shift+Ins into TB's Microed editor, previously stored
 text in clipboard is pasted, not last one.
 Anybody can confirm?

Use Ctrl+C instead.

But anyway, it happens with other softwares, too, not only with TB!
Copyying from HTML sometimes just does not work...


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Re[2]: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Curtis,

  A reminder of what Curtis typed on:
  Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 07:54:05 GMT -0500

C That much? I find the performance hit using synchronisation is
C greater. Here, loading a message body typically takes about 1 second
C if that much. The larger bodies (HTML etc.) take under 5 seconds or
C rarely go above that.

I think this also depends on the amount of mail you are receiving.

 Well being the rogue that I are, (and the fact that I am testing) I
 decided I would have everything filter to my TB folder as well as do
 some color grouping, but only using TB's filtering features.

C Does colour grouping really work? Is it saved server side so that you
C can appreciate it across multiple TB! installations?

Yes and no. I filter firstly by tbbeta (red)or tbudl (blue) and
then whether or not it was TO or From me (green). My colors for the
lists stick while the green color gets set and then changes, more or
less once I start viewing the messages. Not sure what is happening
here. The problem I have is that if I filter into TB folder on the
server I will not be able to set color groups as the filters only work
on the Inbox.

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Re[3]: Fast typing in quick search field with Enter causes The Bat! to show no letters at all.

2005-08-25 Thread Alexey N. Vinogradov
Hello, Paul.

You wrote 25.08.2005 @ 7:48  in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PVN The erasing of the letters is because there was no matching string.
PVN The reason for disappearing from right to left is because it will
PVN erase until there is a match. If you type a letter that doesn't exist
PVN at all it will stare at you with a blank box.

Yes, it is. But I suggested that the searching will stop when you just clear the
search string. It is simple - press p - and you will see the letters begin
with p. Press then r - and the letters with pr come. But the thing which I
found as non-native - when you delete the non-matching string from the search
field, the letters don't reappear. I.e., when I type abrakadabraEnter - just
cleaning up quick search - and even pressing Enter in the _empty_ field
doesn't cause letters to reappear. Ctrl+'=' works, but it doesn't seem to be
native action. My suggestion was that - again, - typing p shows all letters
with p, typing pr - all messages with pr. Erasing r - again, shows all
letters with p, cleaning up the search field completely - causes ALL letter to
appear.


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Re[4]: Fast typing in quick search field with Enter causes The Bat! to show no letters at all.

2005-08-25 Thread Paul Van Noord
8/25/2005  1:22 PM

Hi Alexey,

On 8/25/2005 Alexey N. Vinogradov wrote:

ANV My suggestion was that - again, - typing p shows all letters
ANV with p, typing pr - all messages with pr. Erasing r - again, shows 
all
ANV letters with p, cleaning up the search field completely - causes ALL 
letter to
ANV appear.

This is precisely what the search function accessed with [F7] is
supposed to do. Quick Search is just that and would no longer be as
quick if the behavior changed much.

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Re: Wahoo! I'm back....

2005-08-25 Thread Curtis
On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 08:33 AM, Stuart Cuddy
wrote:

 Yes and no. I filter firstly by tbbeta (red)or tbudl (blue) and then
 whether or not it was TO or From me (green). My colors for the lists
 stick while the green color gets set and then changes, more or less
 once I start viewing the messages.

Odd. Could it be that you haven't similarly assigned the colours to
when the messages are read as opposed to when they are unread?

 Not sure what is happening here. The problem I have is that if I
 filter into TB folder on the server I will not be able to set color
 groups as the filters only work on the Inbox.

I thought you could make filters work on any folder. I haven't tried
it, but the filter setup certainly seems to make this possible.

Take a look at the folders tab for the rules setup dialog. It allows
you to apply the filter to messages from: ... Couldn't you specify a
specific folder other than the Inbox?

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Sound Events

2005-08-25 Thread Steven P Valliere
1.  It would be really great if a filter action could be
that it *DOES NOT* play /any/ sound -- even if the
mail arrival sound for the account is enabled.

2.  In order to simulate #1, I had turned OFF the mail
arrival sound for my account and set all of the filters
that weren't catching SPAM to play a sound.

Unfortunately, for the last /n/ (with /n/ greater than
twenty or so) builds/versions of TB, that causes each
sound to be played TWICE for EACH message... not fun
after a long weekend with things backing up on the
server.

If there any way to get the behavior I'm looking for (new
mail sound by default, but NOT when SOME SPECIFIC filters
are triggered) or must I pray that RIT adds this sort of
capability in the future?

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IMAP - Forward With Attachments Broken

2005-08-25 Thread John Thomas
When I try to forward a message that has attachments, the attachments
end up with a size of zero.  This might be because the message has not
been downloaded, but the client should figure that out, should it not?

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Re: Replies to HTML messages default to HTML

2005-08-25 Thread John Thomas
Hello Ian, 

Thursday (August 25, 2005, 2:16 PM) you wrote:

 For the first time I have noticed that when I reply to a HTML only
 message, The Bat! replies in the same format. In the past the reply
 would be plain text. Has something changed with the latest beta?

I figured out the choice is under options, preferences, viewer/editor.

This works on forwards to which is great, but it does need work.

For example, selecting part of a message and hitting F4 includes the
entire message, not the selected portion.

It would be great when replying or forwarding an HTML message to have
a choice of HTML or TXT.  Further, it would be great to have a choice
of people to reply to (for you Mulberry users you will know what I am
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Re: Replies to HTML messages default to HTML

2005-08-25 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Ian,

  A reminder of what Ian A. White typed on:
  Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 07:16:21 GMT +1000

IAW For the first time I have noticed that when I reply to a HTML only
IAW message, The Bat! replies in the same format. In the past the reply
IAW would be plain text. Has something changed with the latest beta?

Yes I just noticed it as well. Is it just in this build? Would have
been nice if they had let us know. :(  Actually it is kind of neat. :)

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Re: Replies to HTML messages default to HTML

2005-08-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo John,

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:30:42 -0700GMT (25-8-2005, 23:30 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

 For the first time I have noticed that when I reply to a HTML only
 message, The Bat! replies in the same format. In the past the reply
 would be plain text. Has something changed with the latest beta?

JT I figured out the choice is under options, preferences, viewer/editor.
JT This works on forwards to which is great, but it does need work.

It definitely needs work, for it doesn't work for me. I had it
enabled (per default, I guess), but I was still replying with MicroEd
to HTML mail.

Anyway, I just disabled it, just to prevent me from sending HTML
accidentally.

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Mail to: External link

2005-08-25 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello tbbeta,

  I just clicked on an external link in bugtrack as in
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and it launched a series of Internet Explorer
pages that al needed to be closed individually. I thought I had set TB
as my mailto emailer, but when I checked it wasn't set. I put a
checkmark beside mailto and exited. When I went back in the checkbox
was off again. Can anyone else reproduce this or is it just me as
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Re: Mail to: External link

2005-08-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Stuart,

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:48:02 -0500GMT (26-8-2005, 0:48 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

SC I thought I had set TB as my mailto emailer, but when I checked it
SC wasn't set. I put a checkmark beside mailto and exited. When I
SC went back in the checkbox was off again. Can anyone else reproduce
SC this or is it just me as usual.

I've had that several times.
It's because I'm running Windows in a restricted user account. For
some obscure reason Windows XP SP2 thinks that the default mailto
handler should be defined system wide by somebody with admin rights
and not by a restricted user.
Silly OS, what could be more personal than one's own mail client.

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Re[2]: Mail to: External link

2005-08-25 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Roelof,

  A reminder of what Roelof Otten typed on:
  Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 01:23:59 GMT +0200

RO I've had that several times.
RO It's because I'm running Windows in a restricted user account. For
RO some obscure reason Windows XP SP2 thinks that the default mailto
RO handler should be defined system wide by somebody with admin rights
RO and not by a restricted user.
RO Silly OS, what could be more personal than one's own mail client.

Unfortunately that is not my entire problem because this is the admin
account. Any ideas how to fix it.

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Re[3]: Mail to: External link

2005-08-25 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Stuart,

  A reminder of what Stuart Cuddy typed on:
  Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 18:30:14 GMT -0500

SC Unfortunately that is not my entire problem because this is the admin
SC account. Any ideas how to fix it.

Thought I had it by changing the default client in Internet explorer,
it was set to OE. This still did not help however. The error I get
says the default client is not installed properly then launches 20
copies to IE.

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Re: Mail to: External link

2005-08-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Stuart,

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:30:14 -0500GMT (26-8-2005, 1:30 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

SC Unfortunately that is not my entire problem because this is the admin
SC account. Any ideas how to fix it.

Set OE as default mail client and afterwards set it to TB.

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