The Bat! 3.98.11
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39811.rar [-] (#0006324) The Bat automatically change charset to UTF-8 when a simpler charset, like Windows-1251 could have been used. [-] (#0006318) Command line parameter /mail;ATTACH=filename doesn't work now with masks (*.ext etc) [-] Attached files with Unicode characters were only supported when keeping attachments in message bodies. If you have kept attachments in a separate directory, the Unicode characters were replaced to quotation mark, which led to inability to save the attached files. Current beta is 3.98.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.98.11
Hello Maxim, http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39811.rar I'm sad :-( You never address any of my favourite bugs ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.98.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
RE: The Bat! 3.98.11
Hello Maxim, http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39811.rar I'm sad :-( You never address any of my favourite bugs ;-) Indeed. I want IMAP fixes! Current beta is 3.98.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.98.11
Hello MAU On Thursday, April 12, 2007 you wrote: Hello Maxim, http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39811.rar I'm sad You never address any of my favourite bugs No Deleted (in this folder) Tab Waaa!:D -- Rick The Bat Version 3.98.11 Current beta is 3.98.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.98.11
Hello Rick, You never address any of my favourite bugs No Deleted (in this folder) Tab Waaa!:D But that's not a bug, it's a wish :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.98.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Marek Mikus is awarded
Marek Mikus has submitted 1000 bug reports to the bugtracker, and has considerably contributed to The Bat! Development by confirming, submitting and resolving bugs. Ritlabs honours Marek Mikus with The Award (see attachment). Почетному Испытателю The Bat!.png Description: PNG image Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.98.11
--On Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:37 AM, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Deleted (in this folder) Tab Waaa!:D But that's not a bug, it's a wish :) It might be a wish but it's a really, really good one (although I'd still prefer the more IMAP-centric option of crossing out e-mail in the regular views). I also wouldn't mind seeing folder-specific tabs. Oh, and since we're speaking of what are apparently wishes and not bugs: how about some IMAP stuff? I'm still getting the hung queue issue which requires me to restart The Bat! constantly on my wireless connection. -- :A. pgpggeFsB1aa5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP fixes
Hello Vilius, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 15:37:29, you wrote: Indeed. I want IMAP fixes! Please add comments to the IMAP bug at the bugtracking server. If you add comments to the bugs, than we will see that the bugs still exist and can be reproduces, i.e. they are still wanted to be fixed. Somebody have posted here the list of URLs of IMAP bugs at the bugtracker. We would be grateful if you add comments the bugs mentioned in this TBBETA message. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marek Mikus is awarded
·---·-Date---· | QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] | 2007-04-12 | ·---·· [Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2007-04-12 · 15:36 h (CET)] Marek Mikus has submitted 1000 bug reports to the bugtracker, and has considerably contributed to The Bat! Development by confirming, submitting and resolving bugs. Ritlabs honours Marek Mikus with The Award (see attachment). Congratulations, Marek! :-) Cheers! VA -- [1] Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using The Bat! 3.98.11 [Pro] on Windows XP Service Pack 2. »A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.« - Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Mostly Harmless« Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.98.11
·---·-Date---· | QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] | 2007-04-12 | ·---·· [Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2007-04-12 · 11:29 h (CET)] Hello, Maxim! http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39811.rar Up and running! [-] Attached files with Unicode characters were only supported when keeping attachments in message bodies. If you have kept attachments in a separate directory, the Unicode characters were replaced to quotation mark, which led to inability to save the attached files. Confirmed! - Tested with Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers! VA -- [1] Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using The Bat! 3.98.11 [Pro] on Windows XP Service Pack 2. »A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.« - Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Mostly Harmless« Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marek Mikus is awarded
Hello Maxim, Marek Mikus has submitted 1000 bug reports to the bugtracker, and has considerably contributed to The Bat! Development by confirming, submitting and resolving bugs. Ritlabs honours Marek Mikus with The Award (see attachment). I think he really deserves it. Congratulations Marek! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.98.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.98.11
Hello Randy, No Deleted (in this folder) Tab Waaa!:D But that's not a bug, it's a wish :) It might be a wish but it's a really, really good one I didn't say it was a bad one. But it is not a bug because there is an easy and working (since ever) way of viewing deleted messages in a folder, with the possibility of undeleting them. (although I'd still prefer the more IMAP-centric option... I don't use IMAP at all, but I can understand that it may be a high priority for many TB users. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.98.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Marek Mikus is awarded
Hello Mau, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 16:58:07, you wrote: I think he really deserves it. Congratulations Marek! Please see the Bugtracker Summary page: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/summary_page.php Although, he has started contributions long before we have ever implemented the Bugtracker at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marek Mikus is awarded
Hello Maxim, Marek Mikus has submitted 1000 bug reports to the bugtracker, and has considerably contributed to The Bat! Development by confirming, submitting and resolving bugs. Ritlabs honours Marek Mikus with The Award (see attachment). Great idea and it hits the right one! Congrats Marek! Regards Dirk -- The Bat! 3.98.9 Windows XP (NT 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2) CPU: Intel Pentium M (586 - @1728 GHz) with RAM: 504MB (virtual: 1927MB; used 81%) IP: 10.1.0.5 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.98.11
Hello MAU, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 2:27:32 PM, you wrote: M I'm sad :-( M You never address any of my favourite bugs ;-) Perhaps you could change favourites! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.98.11 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 7:19:12) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marek Mikus is awarded
4/12/2007 10:10 AM Hi Maxim, On 4/12/2007 Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM Marek Mikus has submitted 1000 bug reports to the bugtracker, and MM has considerably contributed to The Bat! Development by MM confirming, submitting and resolving bugs. Ritlabs honours Marek MM Mikus with The Award (see attachment). Cool! Couldn't happen top a nicer guy. Why are there so many Czech bugs? 8-]} -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.95.06 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP fixes
Indeed. I want IMAP fixes! Please add comments to the IMAP bug at the bugtracking server. If you add comments to the bugs, than we will see that the bugs still exist and can be reproduces, i.e. they are still wanted to be fixed. Somebody have posted here the list of URLs of IMAP bugs at the bugtracker. We would be grateful if you add comments the bugs mentioned in this TBBETA message. As all bug is described in details, you should go thru them and check. We cant go thru all the bugs all the time and see if they are fixed or not... YOU (the developer) should make up a list of IMAP issues and not touch ANY other part of the program. Sometimes I feel that you take off a band-aid from one part of the program and put on another part. It starts to bleed at another -for me at least- totally not understandable parts... Or an old bug just surfaces again... Ok, it is just my opinion. -- Vili Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP fixes
Vili, Indeed. I want IMAP fixes! Please add comments to the IMAP bug at the bugtracking server. If you add comments to the bugs, than we will see that the bugs still exist and can be reproduces, i.e. they are still wanted to be fixed. Somebody have posted here the list of URLs of IMAP bugs at the bugtracker. We would be grateful if you add comments the bugs mentioned in this TBBETA message. As all bug is described in details, you should go thru them and check. We cant go thru all the bugs all the time and see if they are fixed or not... YOU (the developer) should make up a list of IMAP issues and not touch ANY other part of the program. Sometimes I feel that you take off a band-aid from one part of the program and put on another part. It starts to bleed at another -for me at least- totally not understandable parts... Or an old bug just surfaces again... Ok, it is just my opinion. I think part of the problem is that they are unable to duplicate a lot of these problems. Devilishly hard to fix that kind of problem. Even harder to know it you actually fixed it without confirmation. -- Gleason Using 3.98.11 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP fixes
Hello Vili, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 17:44:33, you wrote: Sometimes I feel that you take off a band-aid from one part of the program and put on another part. It starts to bleed at another -for me at least- totally not understandable parts... If you speak about IMAP, it didn't get worse since the initial release in 2.0. Some things we are fixing, some we cannot at the moment, but the program is not getting worse. If you tell about long-lasting bugs, for example connection center hangs, it's not easy to fix without affecting other parts of program. We will fix it in beta series of 4.0. Don't want to break anything in V3. Or an old bug just surfaces again... What bug are you speaking about? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP fixes
Hello Gleason, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 18:56:14, you wrote: I think part of the problem is that they are unable to duplicate a lot of these problems. Devilishly hard to fix that kind of problem. Even harder to know it you actually fixed it without confirmation. Yes, that's right, thank you for understanding. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marek Mikus is awarded
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:36:36 +0300GMT (12-4-2007, 15:36 +0200, where I live), Maxim Masiutin wrote: Marek Mikus has submitted 1000 bug reports to the bugtracker, and has considerably contributed to The Bat! Development by confirming, submitting and resolving bugs. Ritlabs honours Marek Mikus with The Award (see attachment). Congratulations Marek! -- Grüetzi, Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! E-Mail System version 3.98.11 Pro on Windows XP SP2/OTFE enabled PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org An innovative and progressive OpenPGP Web of Trust Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP fixes
Hi Maxim, On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:15:23 +0300 UTC (4/12/2007, 12:15 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: I think part of the problem is that they are unable to duplicate a lot of these problems. Devilishly hard to fix that kind of problem. Even harder to know it you actually fixed it without confirmation. M Yes, that's right, thank you for understanding. Given that all programmers have this same general problem, why is it that the free, or open source programs of Thunderbird or Mulberry work perfectly with IMAP, and with any IMAP server? Yesterday, for example, I had the old bug of cannot open message again, when I clicked on a new message. I could not see the message body. This was after I had to delete the cache, as it would not update the counts or show correct message bodies with headers (another old bug). This was present in version 2, and in 3. There is so much work that the user has to do in order to make IMAP just to function half-way in TB! that it is not a pleasant experience to use it for IMAP. I still cannot log into a distant SSL IMAP server on port 993, with a certificate on that server, that has expired. Per your suggestion, I have to use Stunnel as another added step. Why? Why cannot the IMAP user be trusted to make the decision on whether they want to accept the cert? No other IMAP client works this way. Why do I have to jump through hoops to use IMAP or make it functional? taken from your other email . M If you tell about long-lasting bugs, for example connection center M hangs, it's not easy to fix without affecting other parts of program. We M will fix it in beta series of 4.0. Don't want to break anything in V3. You have been through 2 complete versions of TB! and still IMAP is not anywhere near complete. So, I am going to have to pay for version 4 in order to get IMAP where it should have been a couple of years ago, through _2_ full versions, and where others, who provide terrific IMAP clients, provide it for free... I don't think so. -- Gary Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP fixes
Gary, Hi Maxim, On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:15:23 +0300 UTC (4/12/2007, 12:15 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: I think part of the problem is that they are unable to duplicate a lot of these problems. Devilishly hard to fix that kind of problem. Even harder to know it you actually fixed it without confirmation. M Yes, that's right, thank you for understanding. Given that all programmers have this same general problem, why is it that the free, or open source programs of Thunderbird or Mulberry work perfectly with IMAP, and with any IMAP server? Mulberry is perhaps the best of the lot, but it does not work perfectly. For instance Mulberry has the bad habit of locking up Windows XP. The last time that happened, an important unanswered email vanished from the server. And Mulberry's editing new email features are really unacceptable. Thunderbird has lots of glitz and glamor and name recognition, but it is several years behind the rest in features. Move back a couple of years and go through the whole cycle of new broken features and maybe fixes later? No, I don't think so. Yesterday, for example, I had the old bug of cannot open message again, when I clicked on a new message. Yes, it happens on occasion, not nearly as often as in the past. -- Gleason Using 3.98.11 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP fixes
Hello Gary, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 20:40:23, you wrote: Yesterday, for example, I had the old bug of cannot open message again, when I clicked on a new message. I could not see the message body. This was after I had to delete the cache, as it would not update the counts or show correct message bodies with headers (another old bug). Could you please arrange us the test account on your server and your details how to reproduce this bug, and update the corresponding entry at the bugtrackins server? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP fixes
Hello Gleason, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 20:59:01, you wrote: Thunderbird has lots of glitz and glamor and name recognition, but it is several years behind the rest in features. Move back a couple of years and go through the whole cycle of new broken features and maybe fixes later? No, I don't think so. I like Mozilla (Firefox) browser, but for me it frequently enters kind of endless loop and consumes all CPU cycles. For me this happens on different computers. On my opinion, MSIE outperforms Firefox in performance, and doesn't have the trouble with all-CPU consumption. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP fixes
Sometimes I feel that you take off a band-aid from one part of the program and put on another part. It starts to bleed at another -for me at least- totally not understandable parts... If you speak about IMAP, it didn't get worse since the initial release in 2.0. Some things we are fixing, some we cannot at the moment, but the program is not getting worse. If you tell about long-lasting bugs, for example connection center hangs, it's not easy to fix without affecting other parts of program. We will fix it in beta series of 4.0. Don't want to break anything in V3. Or an old bug just surfaces again... What bug are you speaking about? I cannot tell you that off the top of my head, I just remember several cases when old, fixed bugs reappeared. Regarding IMAP: did not get worse... Which does not exist, that cannot be worse. I'm just frank, in order to have the same nice IMAP sometimes, than the POP3 now. Maxim, POP3 of TB is EXCELLENT. IMAP is crap. I used to install IMAP, last time did at the weekend, but after 30 min I deleted the account. It is in sub-alpha phase, by my opinion, regarding reliability. You can ask me: then why dont you report bugs? My answer: LOTS of problems regarding IMAP MUST BE obvious for you too. So, push it until we can really TEST it... When it really works at your PC. Maxim, I think, I can say, we have a good relationship. I dont want to ruin it, but if we would like to have a WORKING, RELIABLE IMAP, we must be honest with the situation. I pushed you over the mail losses in the Inbox (Compress at exit, generally low CPU, little RAM and stupid users), you have solved that too :))) -- Vili Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Browser
Hello Maxim, you wrote: I like Mozilla (Firefox) browser, but for me it frequently enters kind of endless loop and consumes all CPU cycles. Give Opera a chance. On my opinion, MSIE outperforms Firefox However, MSIE isn't a browser. It's bullshit (let the browser war begin :) -- Best Regards Teal_One mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP fixes
Or an old bug just surfaces again... What bug are you speaking about? After reading others email, and wanting to be supportive (honest not supportive, I am supportive all the time): I will install a new TB, create the IMAP account, ZIP the whole TB, the RIT reg key and send to you with detailed description what should work and what does not work. I will do it not this weekend, but the one after that (april 21-22). This way you will be able to reproduce all the problems. -- Vili Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP fixes
Hi Gleason, On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:59:01 -0400 UTC (4/12/2007, 12:59 PM -0500 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: Given that all programmers have this same general problem, why is it that the free, or open source programs of Thunderbird or Mulberry work perfectly with IMAP, and with any IMAP server? G Mulberry is perhaps the best of the lot, but it does not work G perfectly. For instance Mulberry has the bad habit of locking up G Windows XP. The last time that happened, an important unanswered G email vanished from the server. This has never happened to me, ever, or anyone on the Mulberry lists that I have maintained for them previously. You are correct in that Mulberry follows the IMAP protocol far greater than other clients (more of the protocol features, and some that are not in the RFC's). G And Mulberry's editing new email features are really unacceptable. It is easy enough to use, just type, and has a much better spell checker. If I need advanced editing features, I use Vim or emacs (in windows or Unix) as my editor with Mulberry. G Thunderbird has lots of glitz and glamor and name recognition, but it G is several years behind the rest in features. The plug ins or add-ons are actually not behind in features, but ahead, e.g. full calendar and IMAP sync-ing on my mail servers, even push technology, also PGP use, like in TB!, etc. Even eliminating my above remarks, getting back to the crux, it's IMAP functionality is far superior, and faster, even with those people that keep 1000s of emails in one folder (not really recommended in IMAP). It just works, never had any problems. What one has to decide is if they are willing to give up some features in TB! for a client that handles IMAP well. Will I give up some feature, e.g. to use a Quick Template in order to have IMAP that works properly, without hassles, without jumping through hoops of having to delete caches, fiddle between settings over and over again, and with the ability to log into an IMAP server that has an expired cert ?? ... any day of the week. Yesterday, for example, I had the old bug of cannot open message again, when I clicked on a new message. G Yes, it happens on occasion, not nearly as often as in the past. I see, so this is acceptable to you ? Not nearly as often as in the past is not good enough for me regarding IMAP, not after waiting 2 full years, through 2 versions. Talking about your glitz and glamor, isn't that what Ritlabs has been working on, while putting IMAP on the back burner? You seem to forget that last year, when moving to v3, when similar complaints arose, there was an outcry from the IMAP users that progress was slow, incomplete, and why should they pay and upgrade to v3 when IMAP was introduced in v2. -- Gary Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP fixes
Hi Maxim, On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:09:05 +0300 UTC (4/12/2007, 1:09 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: Yesterday, for example, I had the old bug of cannot open message again, when I clicked on a new message. I could not see the message body. This was after I had to delete the cache, as it would not update the counts or show correct message bodies with headers (another old bug). M Could you please arrange us the test account on your server and your M details how to reproduce this bug, and update the corresponding entry at M the bugtrackins server? Yes, I will be more than glad to do this for you. I will write to you privately to give you an IMAP account on my server. I will send you the details, password, etc. I will then give you the details to reproduce this bug. However, I cannot do this for another 2-3 hours, as I have to leave to attend an important meeting that I must go to. As soon as I return, I will give the information you ask for. Hopefully, you will still be awake, but if not you will have the information for tomorrow your time. Thank you, -- Gary Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Browser
Hello Teal_One On Thursday, April 12, 2007 you wrote: Hello Maxim, you wrote: I like Mozilla (Firefox) browser, but for me it frequently enters kind of endless loop and consumes all CPU cycles. Give Opera a chance. On my opinion, MSIE outperforms Firefox However, MSIE isn't a browser. Try Maxthon - the best of both browsers -- Rick The Bat Version 3.98.11 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marek Mikus is awarded
Hello Maxim, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 3:36:36 PM, you wrote: MM Ritlabs honours Marek Mikus with The Award (see attachment). Not being very original : congratulations Marek thanks! -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.98.11 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 12:9:14) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP fixes
Gary, This has never happened to me, ever, or anyone on the Mulberry lists that I have maintained for them previously. But, as you well know, the facts that I am not seeing the TB problems you are having with IMAP, and that RIT can't duplicate them, doesn't mean that you are not having them. G And Mulberry's editing new email features are really unacceptable. It is easy enough to use, just type, and has a much better spell checker. If I need advanced editing features, I use Vim or emacs (in windows or Unix) as my editor with Mulberry. Another problem you are obviously not seeing. G Thunderbird has lots of glitz and glamor and name recognition, but it G is several years behind the rest in features. The plug ins or add-ons are actually not behind in features, but ahead, e.g. full calendar and IMAP sync-ing on my mail servers, even push technology, also PGP use, like in TB!, etc. Even eliminating my above remarks, getting back to the crux, it's IMAP functionality is far superior, and faster, even with those people that keep 1000s of emails in one folder (not really recommended in IMAP). It just works, never had any problems. What one has to decide is if they are willing to give up some features in TB! for a client that handles IMAP well. Like I said, TB has important feature advantages. Mailticker, customizable message index column headings, customizable message header display, lots more. You seem to forget that last year, when moving to v3, when similar complaints arose, there was an outcry from the IMAP users that progress was slow, incomplete, and why should they pay and upgrade to v3 when IMAP was introduced in v2. Yes, I do remember that TB IMAP was unusable for me a few years ago. I think Rit has put significant effort into Imap. I thank them for that. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.98.11 on Windows XP Sp2. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP server software. Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The problem persists
I can't make The bat! open the URL's links clicking on them, i've done everything as you told me but... so i decided to keep The Bat! until it expires and then, welcome Pegasus mail. Thanks Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marek Mikus is awarded
Maxim Masiutin wrote on 13/04/2007 at 00:36:36 +1100 subject Marek Mikus is awarded : Marek Mikus has submitted 1000 bug reports to the bugtracker, and has considerably contributed to The Bat! Development by confirming, submitting and resolving bugs. Ritlabs honours Marek Mikus with The Award (see attachment). Congratulations and keep going, Marek! -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 3.98.10 and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.6.0 on Windows 2000 ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Marek Mikus is awarded
On Thursday, April 12, 2007 Maxim Masiutin, [MM] wrote: Ritlabs honours Marek Mikus with The Award Congratulations, Marek! Well done! -- Regards, Ron Secord The Bat! 3.98.11 Professional POP3 Accounts No OTFE Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The problem persists
Hello Axel On Thursday, April 12, 2007 you wrote: I can't make The bat! open the URL's links clicking on them, i've done everything as you told me but... so i decided to keep The Bat! until it expires and then, welcome Pegasus mail. Axel Pegasus is a nice OLD email client as is Outlook Express. Links will open in them Better to ask for help here and get at the root of your problem which may NOT be The Bat. Links open for me and many others In a forum supporting unrelated software a gentleman was ready to return for a refund but his issue turned out to be a simple security setting in his Zonealarm firewall program. Your issue may be that easy once you find what is causing the problem Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Error opening HTML mails in browser
This has been going on for a few versions - I thought it might be a problem with the emails but it is constant Whenever I open an HTML file from an email I get an error that it can't find the specified file, yet the email opens and appears to be complete Confirm? -- Rick The Bat Version 3.98.11 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBBETA Digest, Vol 181, Issue 13
Subject: Re: The problem persists From: Martin Schoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:30:03 +0200 To: Axel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Axel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Axel On Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:16:31 PM you wrote: I can't make The bat! open the URL's links clicking on them, i've done everything as you told me but... so i decided to keep The Bat! until it expires and then, welcome Pegasus mail. Seems I missed something... Which OS are you running? Do you have other clients - and there clicking works? Which browser do yu have as default browser? Hi Martin, Well, here i go again, answering in order, my OS is Win XP Pro, yes, MSOE and Thunderbird, yes the clicking works fine, my default browser is Opera, but i've also tried with IE, Firefox, Netscape and Flock, the problem started the day i wanted to use a safer e-mail program at home and in my office, as i told before, i normally use Thunderbird and MSOE so i download The Bat! Pro to give it a try, but as soon as i downloaded and configured mi accounts my headaches started, i even downloaded the beta, as Maxim suggested, but it was useless, so i search for some other secure program and i found Pegasus, which works fine, so i decided to keep The Bat! for the month or so and later keep Pegasus. That is my drama, i liked The Bat!, but ... Best regards Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error opening HTML mails in browser
Rick Grunwald wrote on 13/04/2007 at 11:49:55 +1100 subject Error opening HTML mails in browser : This has been going on for a few versions - I thought it might be a problem with the emails but it is constant Whenever I open an HTML file from an email I get an error that it can't find the specified file, yet the email opens and appears to be complete Confirm? If you are meaning the Message.html appearing in HTML-eMails, it word as it should. I am using Opera. -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 3.98.11 and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.6.0 on Windows 2000 ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The problem persists
Hello Axel, On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:16:31 -0400 GMT (13/04/2007, 03:16 +0700 GMT), Axel wrote: A I can't make The bat! open the URL's links clicking on them, i've done A everything as you told me but... You mean when you click on the URL in the message footer, the browser doesn't open? This may have to do with a missing DLL, for example. A so i decided to keep The Bat! until it expires and then, welcome A Pegasus mail. LOL! A Thanks A A Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: A http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html If you use a signature delimiter (minus, minus, blank, enter), this will be cut off when someone replies. Try replying to my message and you'll see what I mean. There is so much to email, your URL problem will also be solvable. However, I don't think this is a beta issue and should probably be discussed on TBUDL rather than here. I'm copying TBUDL in for that reason. -- Cheers, Thomas. Ein Drittel aller Kinder wird nach dem 30. Lebensjahr geboren. * http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.98.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP fixes
Hello Alexander, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 21:44:22, you wrote: That means if no one comments on a bug for a certain time you consider it fixed? Odd. Shall we add comments for all unfixed bugs after each version that is released? That will give you plenty of comments, I think... :-P At least once in 3 months would be helpful. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error opening HTML mails in browser
Hello Rick, On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:49:55 -0400 GMT (13/04/2007, 07:49 +0700 GMT), Rick Grunwald wrote: RG Whenever I open an HTML file from an email I get an error that it RG can't find the specified file, yet the email opens and appears to be RG complete RG Confirm? If you are using Firefox, this has been confirmed and identified as a Firefox problem. I think FF has been updated in the meantime. -- Cheers, Thomas. WE LEARN that the Acme ultrasonic dog whistle warns purchasers: This product will be ineffective if your dog is deaf. Well, well, well. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.98.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBBETA Digest, Vol 181, Issue 13
Hello Axel, On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:18:45 -0400 GMT (13/04/2007, 08:18 +0700 GMT), Axel wrote: That's a completely useless subject line. If you participate in a discussion, I suggest you change from digest mode to individual mails. I can't make The bat! open the URL's links clicking on them, i've done everything as you told me but... so i decided to keep The Bat! until it expires and then, welcome Pegasus mail. Seems I missed something... Which OS are you running? Do you have other clients - and there clicking works? Which browser do yu have as default browser? A Hi Martin, A Well, here i go again, answering in order, my OS is Win XP Pro, yes, A MSOE and Thunderbird, yes the clicking works fine, my default browser is A Opera, but i've also tried with IE, Firefox, Netscape and Flock, the A problem started the day i wanted to use a safer e-mail program at home A and in my office, as i told before, i normally use Thunderbird and MSOE A so i download The Bat! Pro to give it a try, but as soon as i downloaded A and configured mi accounts my headaches started, i even downloaded the A beta, as Maxim suggested, but it was useless, so i search for some other A secure program and i found Pegasus, which works fine, so i decided to A keep The Bat! for the month or so and later keep Pegasus. We are still waiting for the description of what really happens. -- Cheers, Thomas. The next time you feel like complaining, remember: Your garbage disposal probably eats better than thirty percent of the people in this world. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.98.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error opening HTML mails in browser
Hello Thomas On Thursday, April 12, 2007 you wrote: Hello Rick, On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:49:55 -0400 GMT (13/04/2007, 07:49 +0700 GMT), Rick Grunwald wrote: RG Whenever I open an HTML file from an email I get an error that it RG can't find the specified file, yet the email opens and appears to be RG complete RG Confirm? If you are using Firefox, this has been confirmed and identified as a Firefox problem. I think FF has been updated in the meantime. I use Maxthon which uses the IE engine. The problem has persisted though several betas and 2 versions of Maxthon -- Rick Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP fixes
On Thursday, April 12, 2007, 1:13:15 PM, Vili wrote: Regarding IMAP: did not get worse... Which does not exist, that cannot be worse. I'm just frank, in order to have the same nice IMAP sometimes, than the POP3 now. Maxim, POP3 of TB is EXCELLENT. IMAP is crap. I used to install IMAP, last time did at the weekend, but after 30 min I deleted the account. It is in sub-alpha phase, by my opinion, regarding reliability. You can ask me: then why dont you report bugs? My answer: LOTS of problems regarding IMAP MUST BE obvious for you too. So, push it until we can really TEST it... When it really works at your PC. I don't know about the POP part any more, since I no longer use it except on rare occasions for some special reason, but I disagree with your negative assessment of IMAP. It may not be perfect, and there are a few things about Outlook which I am forced to use some at work because of interfacing with other software, but I find it quite usable, and preferable to any other options I tried. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.98.11 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP fixes
On Friday, April 13, 2007, 12:40:09 AM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: a few things about Outlook which I am forced to use I see I left out a couple of important words here. sorry I don't edit well after midnight. should read even a few things I like about Outlook -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.98.11 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
