date:20090917

Hello Robert,

Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 8:44:54 PM, you wrote:

  The option I would use if I had to do it again would be to export the
  folder from The Bat! as a Unix mailbox file and do the move on the
  server side -- much faster than doing it via TB!. But I guess it is
  not really an option for you, since you were asking specifically
  about TB!. A variation of this solution (still not fast but at least
  reliable) would be to import this mbox file into Thunderbird and do
  the move from there.

Thanks for your help, the idea of moving instead of copying and doing in 
batches hadn't occured to me. I wonder, though, what will happen if I move the 
mails and TB disconnects even within a batch, will some of the mails be lost? I 
will give it a try (after making a backup of the backup).

I do have full server access and could do it that way, too. But just as 
exporting to Thunderbird, it has the disadvantage that message flags get los, 
as TB doesn't export them.



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Re: 4.2.10.12

Hello Maxim,

 The Bat! 4.2.10.12 is available at
 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb421012.rar

What about the broken shortcut editor?

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Re: 4.2.10.12

2009-09-17 Thread Neal Laugman

Hello Roelof!

  on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 at 11:19 PM you wrote:

 Hallo Mackley,

 On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:26:44 +0200GMT (17-9-2009, 8:26 +0200, where
 I live), you wrote:

 without Themida encrypted  compressed executable ??
 Yes, without Themida encrypted  compressed executable.
M Maybe it's removed only for beta distribution.

 Not very likely that Ritlabs would put it in the release notes in
 that case. Would it? At least not as a new feature.

I really do not understand the reasoning. Certainly there is no gain
to be had once the exe loads into memory, right? And I know that the
exe packer they use apparently does not keep it from getting hacked :(

I'm sure RitLabs knows better than this lowly group - he he he.

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MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)

Hello Robert,

You know what's funny: The Bat DOES continue uploaden the messages, but without 
showing it in the Connection Centre! I noticed this morning that a folder where 
the upload was aborted yesterday was suddenly filled. Trying your MOVE-method I 
just found out that after The Bat drops the IMAP connection the upload stops 
for a while. But as soon as it reconnects to the IMAP server for checking mail, 
the upload continues. Without the Connection Centre telling you! I just noticed 
by the decreasing message count of the folder I was moving from.

Now here is the big drawback (and in fact a serious bug that should be fixed 
ASAP): Of a folder containing 610 messages, only 603 had arrived on the server! 
As I had MOVED the messages, 7 messages were lost. Some further testing showed 
that sometimes when The Bat drops the connection, it does delete the local 
message it was just uploading, even though it has not completely arrived at the 
server. So the server discards the half-uploaded message (which is correct) and 
The Bat deletes it also, even though it was not completely uploaded (which is a 
serious bug!).

What a crappy implementation is this?! Imagine Windows moving files from one 
drive to another, suddenly stopping for no reason, then resuming in the 
background without telling you, and deleting some files even though they never 
arrive at the destination. And now the worst part: If this happened, Microsoft 
would fix it asap. However, I estimate the chances of this being fixed in The 
Bat within the next year at somewhere around 3%.

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Re: buggy QTs

2009-09-17 Thread Kertész Vilmos

Hello Marek,

 Tuesday, September 15, 2009, Kertész Vilmos wrote:
 yes, https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7440
 it exists from january. great. but we got the delayed sending, didnt
 we?
 what do You need more from me? ;-)

My comment was not against you, of course.

 just add a note to this report, I am not a reporter, but confirmed it
 already

Why bother to add a note. Nothing will happen. I became apathetic over 
the last year. I dont believe TB is going somewhere, I dont see any 
signs. I WOULD LIKE to see the signs, dont misunderstand me.

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Re: shortcut editor broken

2009-09-17 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Carsten,

Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 12:29:52 PM, you wrote:

CGS It exists, but you would have to buy a Mac.

I  don't  know much about Macs (do not want to have one after bad experiences in
earlier times, related to Windows / Apple network). But if it is for one type of
computers only, I would hardly call it a standard...


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Re: Upload to IMAP folder broken

On Thursday, September 17, 2009, 2:29:01 AM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote:
 
 I wonder, though, what will happen if I move the mails and TB
 disconnects even within a batch, will some of the mails be lost?  

I've  never  had a problem like that, but if it is a concern, you can 
always copy, then go back and delete, rather than just move. 
  
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Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)

Meanwhile I found out more about this: The Bat disconnects (claiming that the 
server ended the connection) whenever the message to be uploaded exceeds 2 MB. 
I checked the IMAP server for such a limit: There is none! Thunderbird uploads 
the bigger messages with no problem, it's TheBat that is broken.

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Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)

On Thursday, September 17, 2009, 7:04:09 AM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote:
 
 The Bat disconnects (claiming that the server ended the connection)
 whenever the message to be uploaded exceeds 2 MB. 

never  had this happen to me. How can TB be broken because the server 
ends the connection?  
  
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HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

Title: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated



Hello TBBETA,

This message is intentionally sent in HTML format.

The HTML editor allows you to change the background colour (or color if you like) of part of your message.
This feature was satisfactorily working since the beginnings of the HTML editor, but has become unusable is the last versions of Thebat.
I did not find it mentioned in this list nor in the Thebat bugtracking system. In my opinion, this problem is blocking.

I will try to illustrate by producing the problem in this very message, with the procedure that follows:

1- I mark 'TEXT1' below with the mouse.
2- I color the marked text by clicking the 'Text background' button (in HTML editor) and choosing the yellow color.
3- Similarly, I color 'TEXT3' in blue color.
4- Everything looking alright, I press the 'Send the message' button, the message is sent normally.
5- Going back to the message, I see that it has been 'destroyed' because the non colored parts are now colored.
6- Naturally, this destroyed message has been sent to my correspondents...

TEXT1TEXT2
TEXT3TEXT4

Could somebody please confirm this problem ?

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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

Title: Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated


On Thursday, September 17, 2009, 8:31:44 AM, Jean-Michel Saby wrote:





Could somebody please confirm this problem ?




confirmed. Blocking and choosing a background color for slected text seems to make the background color for the rest of the message that color until changed.

BlueWhite

YellowWhite

GreenWhite

Interestingly, I think that you will find that when**here i will change a little to white background although it appears white in my message**I changed to white text in the blue, the same problem was not created as with the background color.

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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

Title: Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated


I have turned the background of this entire message silver. I am going toHIGHLIGHTthe all cap word by changing the background color for that word to white. I believe the entire message will arrive with a white background.


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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

Title: Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated


On Thursday, September 17, 2009, 8:51:18 AM, Dwight Corrin wrote:





I have turned the background of this entire message silver. I am going to HIGHLIGHT the all cap word by changing the background color for that word to white. I believe the entire message will arrive with a white background.




HIGHLIGHTwill be green this time. I made the background yellow. (the quoted text is white)

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Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)

Hello Dwight,

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 2:25:23 PM, you wrote:

 never  had this happen to me. How can TB be broken because the server 
 ends the connection?  

As explained earlier in the thread: The server doesn't end the connection, 
TheBat just claims that that's the case. In reality, TheBat ends the connection 
(which is where it is broken), because
- The ServerLog shows that the connection was terminated by the client
- The Server doesn't have a 2 MB limit (this is not even possible with Dovecot)
- Thunderbird works fine
- Trying a different server (gmail.com) The Bat also claims that the server 
ended the connection.

If you try to copy a message of 2 MB to an IMAP folder of your choice, does 
the upload work?

There are actually 3 problems in TheBat that all come together here:
1) TB can't upload 2MB messages
2) Communication with the user is faulty (TB claiming that the server ended the 
connection; TB not showing in the connection center that it resumed uploading)
3) Message loss can occur, because if you choose MOVE then those messages 2MB 
get deleted from your local folder but not uploaded.

1 is a simple but annoying bug that can happen but should be fixed. 2 makes me 
doubt one thing that I previously appreciated: That TB actually tells the user 
what it does. 3 is a major problem, as messages can be lost unrecoverably.

Can you also confirm 3? What happens if you move a message 2MB from a local 
folder to an IMAP folder?

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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

2009-09-17 Thread mse

Hello Dwight,

there are already some reports dealing with coloring problems in HTML messages 
and 
templates, which you might find interesting:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7686
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7636
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7627

I guess these ones aren't the last ones.

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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated


Thank you, Dwight.

I submitted the problem as https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7720 
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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated


Hello mse,
Thursday, September 17, 2009, 4:47:58 PM, you wrote:

 there are already some reports dealing with coloring problems in HTML 
 messages and
 templates, which you might find interesting:

 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7686
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7636
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7627

 I guess these ones aren't the last ones.

yes, thank you. 
But as you said, I believe these are for HTML templates, not the HTML editor.

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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

2009-09-17 Thread mse

Hello Jean-Michel,

 Hello mse,
 Thursday, September 17, 2009, 4:47:58 PM, you wrote:

 there are already some reports dealing with coloring problems in HTML 
 messages and
 templates, which you might find interesting:

 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7686
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7636
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7627

 I guess these ones aren't the last ones.

 yes, thank you. 
 But as you said, I believe these are for HTML templates, not the HTML editor.

That's true, but all our issues go back to one central problem: Unsaved 
HTML-settings. Solving this problem makes the other issues vanish as I 
assume the feature Save HTML-settings being implemented only once. And 
then it is called by different procedures (messages, templates...). 
HTML-code doesn't care whether it is a template or a message.  :))

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Re[2]: 4.2.10.12

2009-09-17 Thread Maxim Masiutin

Hello Neal,

Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:29:37 PM, you wrote:

Forgot to ask - what's the reason for not using an exe compressor?

We are planning to integrate The Bat! with Windows Shell better. It requires us 
to make The Bat! Executable uncompressed, to let Windows Explorer to call 
certain functions of The Bat! to index The Bat! message base using “Windows 
Indexing Service”, to view The Bat! folders and messages from Windows explorer 
without The Bat! actually running, to make shortcuts to particular The Bat! 
Folders to Windows explorer desktop, etc. Of course, this will not compromise 
security. On the other hand, it turned out that the the compressed The Bat! 
became too “heavy”.



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Re[2]: 4.2.10.12

2009-09-17 Thread Maxim Masiutin

Hello Carsten,

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:29:58 AM, you wrote:

What about the broken shortcut editor?
Could you please submit a bugtracking entry for it, with the instructions to 
reproduce the bug? Thank you in advance.

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Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)

Hello Carsten,

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:49:06 AM, you wrote:
 I estimate the chances of this being fixed in The Bat within the
 next year at somewhere around 3%.

 That's about 1000 times more generous than my estimate would be :)

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Re: Upload to IMAP folder broken

Hello Carsten,

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 9:29:01 AM, you wrote:
 I do have full server access and could do it that way, too. But
 just as exporting to Thunderbird, it has the disadvantage that
 message flags get los, as TB doesn't export them.

 Good catch. A very good one, indeed.

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Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)

Hello Carsten,

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 2:04:09 PM, you wrote:
 Meanwhile I found out more about this: The Bat disconnects
 (claiming that the server ended the connection) whenever the message
 to be uploaded exceeds 2 MB. I checked the IMAP server for such a
 limit: There is none! Thunderbird uploads the bigger messages with
 no problem, it's TheBat that is broken.

 I vaguely recall I had a similar problem. I had a different procedure
 at that time, though (if the message count after copy was not OK then
 I would discard the whole batch and start over).

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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

I just made a quick experiment aimed at 'properly terminate' the background
color:

Attached, you will find 'ThebatMessage.html' which is a copy of my
original message from this thread, which displayed the problem.

Also attached, you will find 'ModifiedMessage.html' which no longer
has the problem.

The difference between these two messages is the addition of a
/span statement at the end of the background colored areas.

It seems that the HTML editor should be modified to add
this end of SPAN statement at the end of each of the background
colored areas.

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under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3Title: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

Hello TBBETA,

This message is intentionally sent in HTML format.

The HTML editor allows you to change the background colour (or color if you like) of part of your message.
This feature was satisfactorily working since the beginnings of the HTML editor, but has become unusable is the last versions of Thebat.
I did not find it mentioned in this list nor in the Thebat bugtracking system. In my opinion, this problem is blocking.

I will try to illustrate by producing the problem in this very message, with the procedure that follows:

1- I mark 'TEXT1' below with the mouse.
2- I color the marked text by clicking the 'Text background' button (in HTML editor) and choosing the yellow color.
3- Similarly, I color 'TEXT3' in blue color.
4- Everything looking alright, I press the 'Send the message' button, the message is sent normally.
5- Going back to the message, I see that it has been 'destroyed' because the non colored parts are now colored.
6- Naturally, this destroyed message has been sent to my correspondents...

TEXT1TEXT2
TEXT3TEXT4

Could somebody please confirm this problem ?

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Title: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

Hello TBBETA,

This message is intentionally sent in HTML format.

I will try to illustrate by producing the problem in this very message, with the procedure that follows:

TEXT1TEXT2
TEXT3TEXT4

Could somebody please confirm this problem ?

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Re:HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

2009-09-17 Thread Assad Kety

Hello mse,
   
On Thursday, September 17, 2009, Mse wrote and made these points on
the subject of HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly
terminated:

m there are already some reports dealing with coloring problems in HTML 
messages and
m templates, which you might find interesting:

Yes I find them very interesting indeed.

m I guess these ones aren't the last ones.

I  wonder  why  they  are  not  addressing  these HTML bugs. These are
serious problems for a software boasting HTML capability. 

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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

2009-09-17 Thread mse

Hello Jean-Michel,

 It seems that the HTML editor should be modified to add
 this end of SPAN statement at the end of each of the background
 colored areas. 

That looks like a good solution to me. Would you add it to the 
bugtracker-entry, 
please?


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Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)

On Thursday, September 17, 2009, 9:12:43 AM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote:
 
 If you try to copy a message of 2 MB to an IMAP folder of your choice, does 
 the upload work?
 
I'm  not  sure  what  you are trying to do. I have no problem sending 
messages larger than that, and just successfully sent a 34MB message. 
I  had  no  problem  moving  some  large messages from one mailbox to 
another  within  my IMAP account (which doesn't make TB! do much). If 
youi mean that you cannot move messages from a local folder to an IMAP 
folder,  I  don't  know  why  one would do that. My problem is keeping 
up  with  archiving  so  that  I  don't go beyond my limit at my IMAP 
account.  (As  far  as I know, I have never lost a message when doing 
this.) 
  
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Re: 4.2.10.12

2009-09-17 Thread Alto Speckhardt

Hi,


MM We are planning to integrate The Bat! with Windows Shell better.
MM It requires us to make The Bat! Executable uncompressed, to let
MM Windows Explorer to call certain functions of The Bat! to index
MM The Bat! message base using “Windows Indexing Service” [...]

Wouldn't it be easier (and much quicker) to create a lightweight
IFilter driver that works directly with the message base files?


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Re: Upload to IMAP folder broken

2009-09-17 Thread Alto Speckhardt

Hi,


CGS Does anyone have any experiences with uploading to IMAP folders?

Indeed I do. Recently, when I converted a bunch of local folders to
remotly stored IMAP-folders for a client I ran into exactly the same
problem.

It seems to me that the problem isn't only volume-related, but
timeout-related as well: Whenever a transfer takes longer than a
certain time, TheBat chokes on it the way you describe. Of course,
this tends to happen more often if there are many large messages
involved.

My workaround was to move the messages in small chunks, each about two
minutes worth of transfer time. Such chunks were usually (not always)
transfered all right, and afterwards even the connection to the server
was still active so I could move the next chunk right away.

As to expecting a fix for the IMAP bugs - I wouldn't hold my breath if
I were you. Such fixes for the whole IMAP section have been promised
for almost right now many times. Of course, voices such as see?
they lied to us once again on hearing the rumors that the focus now
is on windows system integration are not only speculative but also
(to date) completely unfounded.


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Windows XP 5.1
build 2600 Service Pack 2


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Re: 4.2.10.12

2009-09-17 Thread Vilius Šumskas

Sveiki,

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 7:43:27 PM, you wrote:

 Hello Neal,

 Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:29:37 PM, you wrote:

Forgot to ask - what's the reason for not using an exe compressor?

 We are planning to integrate The Bat! with Windows Shell better. It
 requires us to make The Bat! Executable uncompressed, to let Windows
 Explorer to call certain functions of The Bat! to index The Bat!
 message base using “Windows Indexing Service”, to view The Bat!
 folders and messages from Windows explorer without The Bat! actually
 running, to make shortcuts to particular The Bat! Folders to Windows
 explorer desktop, etc. Of course, this will not compromise security.
 On the other hand, it turned out that the the compressed The Bat! became too 
 “heavy”.

Does Windows Shell support IMAP?

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Best regards,
 Vilius



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Re: shortcut editor broken

2009-09-17 Thread Alto Speckhardt

Hi,


MP Time after time we hear how much better Outlook and Thunderbird handle IMAP.
MP I never reacted because I did not test those with IMAP.
MP Now  that  I  have,  I  will  not  change  that  attitude  (this  mail 
being the
MP exception);  however,  the  thought that the author of such reading matter 
would
MP better go peel potatoes will always cross my mind, from now on.

I can't speak to whether Thunderbird and/or Outlook are the perfect 
IMAP clients. I've never yet seen such a thing.

Still, both's IMAP is better than TheBat's. I trust your own
evaluations have revealed the same.

So, nothing new. The blind leading the blind. However, it's not TheBat 
that's leading.


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MfG,
 Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de
 
 The Bat! 4.2.10.1
Windows XP 5.1
build 2600 Service Pack 2


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Re: HTML Editor: Text background colour is not properly terminated

2009-09-17 Thread Jens Franik

Guten Tag Jean-Michel Saby,

am Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 um 15:31 schrieben Sie:

 Could somebody please confirm this problem ?

Confirmed.

It looks like everything text after changing the background is
affected too (maybe until you redefine it normal)

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Jens Franik
mailto:je...@gmx.de
The Bat! 4.2.10.12 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.1.1 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.2
Language-File-Checksum: E8E56F88
Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2
AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM
Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 3.0.6 r52128 non-OSE
8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 170 (Common) Folders - about 10 Messages



 Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: 4.2.10.12

Hello Vilius,

Thursday, September 17, 2009, 8:30:55 PM, you wrote:
 We are planning to integrate The Bat! with Windows Shell better. It

 Does Windows Shell support IMAP?

 Forget IMAP, it's probably one those important features people keep
 asking about all the time, something like problem with DEP detection
 under Windows 2008 Server ([1]). Milit'ry stuff, you know, not some
 lowly IMAP...

 [1] mid:445311002.20090608235...@ipex.cz

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 Robert Tomanek   mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org



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Re: 4.2.10.12